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5:00 PM
And even if you suck it's not really a big deal.
 
I believe it doesn't make sense since it relies on values and perception.
 
It was a poorly written charge about that whole "but all of X is bad so it's fine if a subset of X is super bad".
 
ah right
 
And I'm like "have better standards"
 
5:01 PM
@EtiennedeMartel but it does give such nice cloak
 
Anyway. Breitbart sucks. Don't read it. If you really like your right-leaning news, there are plenty of more reasonable outlets to choose from.
 
More reasonable is now the hallmark of journalism
 
@MarkGarcia I'll tell?
 
@Shoe hey get out of here the sideways names are typing
 
It's called "italic" and I'm italic
@EtiennedeMartel Don't you feel the only one to think that in here?
 
5:06 PM
@Shoe I think that you should only be allowed to say "most people suck" if you include yourself in that "most people" group.
 
Will you marry me?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Not a problem.
 
Most people are neat :^)
 
@Shoe No.
 
No wonder it's difficult to locate segaults when you're a two-stars programmer .____.
 
5:20 PM
Wow, my fingers are getting tired, and I have 85 more of these to type.... https://t.co/lwfeqsXoMw
The "Fast and Furious" franchise will be getting a 9th and 10th chapter http://cnn.it/1nGA3FH https://t.co/HeRKyqZPf6
Enough fast and furious for fuck sake
 
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@Shoe I watched the first one, and that was enough for me.
 
@Shoe that's a lot of overloads
 
@Shoe at that point just write a script to generate them :P
 
@Borgleader hehe :)
 
Xeo
5:32 PM
@TonyTheLion Those ain't no overloads :P
 
I wish I could work for a living without having to touch web technologies
 
Xeo
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix So, no using a browser, then?
 
you never know when one of your client has some kind of PHP project hidden somewhere
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Web tech is not so bad
 
@Xeo I don't mind the browser...
 
5:33 PM
It's actually the kind of tech I love the most
 
One of my functions has 27 overloads apparently.
 
@Shoe well I like the most things like FirefoxOS which bring the web one step further
 
@Morwenn f t w
 
@Morwenn What function is it?
 
@Shoe sorter_facade::operator()
 
5:35 PM
I guess it's just that I know that I'll hardly find a MicroController programmed in php
 
PHP is not so bad
Not anymore at least
 
as long as you have to <? echo "headers" ?>
it's pretty bad
the frameworks might make it less suck but it's doomed at its root
I mean when you have things like Node, Python, Ruby, Java, Scala, C#.... why would one continue using PHP?
Even C++ is probably better as a webframework... it might be fast at least
 
I consider Ruby, Python and PHP all on the same level
Node below and C# and Java slightly above
They all on the stripe named "BORING LANGUAGES"
 
@Shoe If PHP is "not so bad", I really don't want to know what would qualify as "so bad". It must make minor problems like AIDS and Ebola seem trivial by comparison.
 
5:45 PM
@JerryCoffin he stated node would be below php
if ((size > INT_MAX || size <= 0) || ((size * charsize) > INT_MAX || (size * charsize) <= 0)) {
return NULL;
}
that was in php source code, might be still there !
 
@Shoe I consider C# to be the good kind of boring
 
Why?
 
Finally fixed my error. As expected, it was a mere product of my dumbidumbness.
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@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Right (but didn't say whether it was far enough below to qualify as "that bad" or not. In any case, I haven't used node, so I can't comment on it directly (and this is one area in which I don't particularly mind being ignorant either).
 
@Morwenn go on...
 
5:49 PM
@JerryCoffin what's nice about node is that you have async IO
possible on other languages like python with gevent
 
@Borgleader I don't know how to parse this sentence.
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix boost::asio?
@Morwenn We want details, what did that dumb dumb brain of yours do :P
 
@Borgleader something like that if my memory is good.
 
@Borgleader Forgot to copy an iterator before incrementing it.
 
5:51 PM
so less time spent in the process waiting for IO which is right because most webapps are IO bound anyway
 
Basically, I incremented the cache iterator, but when copying things back from cache, the iterator was still at the end of the cache so I had a terrible buffer overflow.
 
it could suck if you have cpu bound functions... but that can be resolved easily by using things like Celery
 
user1804599
Lazy evaluation explained: stefankoegel.github.io/clickyEvaluation
 
user1804599
Click the things.
 
5:56 PM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I suppose having async I/O has to count as a strength, but there does seem to be wide agreement that the way it's done in node is...less than entirely satisfactory.
 
@JerryCoffin ah, if you're talking about the callback hell... that's true, but promise were created for a reason.
 
@slaphappy Although I've never written a single LoC in it... I agree.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Yeah, I'm actually really puzzled what a good use case for PHP is.
 
@MadameElyse that's really neat
 
@MadameElyse pretty cool
 
user1804599
@Ven I decided to generate JS code instead, and defer side-effects like IO in Haskell. And offer do-notation through brackets: [1 f! g! h] desugars into (1 f {g {h} >>=} >>=).
 
6:07 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Hey I was expecting this video to suck and it doesn't
My girlfriend is an academic in this area and we talk about it a lot and it sounds mostly right
 
Hello, Cruel World!
 
@EtiennedeMartel aw;cw; gimme summary?
@ElimGarak did you ever finish your book?
 
@Code-Apprentice Wrong room, everybody is nice here ^_^
 
@Borgleader Basically... it's complicated. There is a pay gap, it's not as large as most people claim it is, but it exists, for a variety of reasons, and one of them is indeed gender discrimination (but it's not the primary reason).
 
6:13 PM
@Morwenn I'm sure.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yep. And it's common for researchers with new data or new ideas to try to explain away more of that "unexplained pay gap." It's rarely successful.
 
Xeo
6:27 PM
Why the fuck is taking luggage on a flight so fucking expensive
 
user1804599
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix ???? That's one of the most awful parts of Node.js.
 
user1804599
Async I/O makes it very difficult to read, write, and especially reuse code.
 
@Xeo What airline?
 
Xeo
Eurowings
 
user1804599
The correct solution to the problem of threads being expensive is to make threads less expensive, not to work around the need for threads with async APIs.
 
user1804599
6:31 PM
Especially when you're solving problems that are not CPU-bound, like you said.
 
Xeo
Oh wait, it was just the shitty website that said it's ~46 bucks. Other website says 15
 
user1804599
@Ven I already implemented it :) github.com/rightfold/grass/commit/…
 
Xeo
Also, why do they all only take credit cards and not Paypal :(
 
Because Paypal sucks
 
I don't understand c++
 
6:40 PM
As you shouldn't
 
std::vector makes no sense, why would it require a copy constructor if I'm passing it by reference?
 
It doesn't. Move constructor is enough
also reallocations are a thing
 
I have something like this:
auto& it = m_eventMap.emplace(Id<Event>::get<EventType>(), std::initializer_list<_Handler>{}).first;
_HandlerList& list = it->second;
 
I don't see a vector here :p
 
m_eventMap is something like std::map<Id<Event>, std::vector<_Handler>>
 
Xeo
6:43 PM
_HandlerList is a reserved name, don't use it.
 
The explicit std::initializer_list parameter looks strange.
 
Xeo
Don't do _This as a naming convention. Implementations can shit all over your code
 
# Discovered a fun bug in Coliru:
while read line ; do
    log "$line"
done <.stdout # .stdout should be named pipe, but for some reason it was a normal file (with dire consequences ...)
 
@Xeo do you think it's the problem here?
 
user1804599
You should use a temporary file.
 
Xeo
6:45 PM
@n1xx1 No. Just a bit of advice.
 
@MadameElyse in then end aren't all files temporary?
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@EtiennedeMartel Hmm
 
@StackedCrooked Don't be all existentialist on us.
 
 
But still, have a star :D
 
6:47 PM
Opened the first link of your video and found this
 
@n1xx1 You can't move from std::initializer_list (which is terrible, btw, I'm not a fan of std::initializer_list). Create a temporary std::vector instead
 
How does comparing the median annual earnings of both women and men any relevant to how much a woman is paid for the same job as a man?
 
@milleniumbug nice, the temporary worked, thank you very much
 
@Shoe Did you watch the video? Because I feel like you didn't.
 
but will the compiler optimize it?
 
6:50 PM
will it? yes
 
But even -Os isn't enough to optimize your mom.
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@EtiennedeMartel I did, and it explains a specific narrative and then directs to the links in the description, which is what is mostly relevant about that video
 
Xeo
Hm... 150eur doesn't sound too bad for a return flight, right?
 
I think @n1xx1's problem might be simpler: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/b6b4cee59922dcc2
 
@Shoe It's mostly sources for his claims.
 
6:52 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Right, and I'm disputing the first source he brought up with regards to his narrative.
Care to answer the question now?
 
@Shoe He talks about that statistic as being one side of the debate
He doesn't agree that that tells the whole picture in any way
That's why Etienne is bothered by your question.
That'd be clear if you watched the first 30 sec of the video.
 
Exactly. I have no idea why you ask me to justify a claim even he dismisses.
 
> The pay gap increases as workers age, and there is a pay gap across all education and experience levels and in almost all professions. Also, the pay gap is larger for women of color, across all education and experience levels: aauw.org/files/2015/02/The...
 
Hence why I thought you didn't watch the video.
 
This is the text associated to that link
@Jeremy He claims that there's definitely a big percentage (around 8%) which is due to discrimination
 
6:54 PM
@Shoe "Between 4 and 8"
 
Right, so we can dismiss that first link?
 
I think he just puts it there so that every number he mentions is sourced.
Doesn't mean he has to agree with every source.
 
He uses that to frame the issue, really
 
It just means he's not pulling anything from his ass.
 
"side X thinks 77% of pay"
 
6:55 PM
@EtiennedeMartel So what is the most important source you took a look at which convinces you of his claims?
 
"side Y thinks no pay gap, due to other factors"
"neither is right - more like 4 to 8 percent difference"
 
Although I have to admit I did not recursively dig down all sources.
 

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