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Great song.
 
user1804599
Listen to it.
 
@AlexM. Elim is Cicada's current alt FWIW
 
oh ok
that makes sense
 
@elyse Epica <3
 
3:00 PM
thanks cicada
I wish the internet wasn't so complicated
 
Its not complicated
EVERYTHING IS A LIE
^^ remember this
and you'll know Cicada :P
 
@GregorMcGregor Nvidia sucks so hard. And their incessant secrecy is really making me suspicious.
 
I hate their anti competition practices and lack of transparency too
 
@ElimGarak you suspect their architecture is built on lies?
 
"Why does thing do that" " because that's how the driver/hardware works" THANKS
 
3:07 PM
4 mins ago, by Tony The Lion
EVERYTHING IS A LIE
 
Well, given the latest fiascos, some aspects are built on lies. That's what they're afraid of. Basically, they managed to sell so many GTX9x0s because they could hide the truth about DX12 hardware support until it was basically too late for the consumer.
 
It's black box stuff and when you complain about it people tell you to shut up BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THE DRIVER WORKS
My technique on getting info from NVIDIA was to file everything as "bug report" because they hate that
 
I've still got the GTX 980 box, it has "DX12" logos all over it. On top, on the side, behind.
 
mmmm
 
Otherwise they will ignore you on the official forums
 
3:08 PM
pizza
 
now fold it and you have a pizzandwich
 
Huh, they still haven't managed to break the PS4/Xbox One security, nice.
 
@melak47 reduce the pizza?
 
@ScarletAmaranth he was gonna reduce it anyway :D
 
3:15 PM
@melak47 true; I would recommend starting from right
you need to (a -> b -> b) -> b -> [a] -> b your pizza, @AlexM.
 
@AlexM. nice one
 
god I didn't get the type right
oh wait, i did, nvm
 
user1804599
Luckily you have a tool that tells you that!
 
I do, in fact!
 
@elyse Indeed, gotta dow.. buy that.
 
3:24 PM
@ElimGarak I thought you said that their apparently terrible DX12 performance was just a temporary driver glitch?
 
@MartinJames download and buy are not somehow mutually exclusive...
 
@ScarletAmaranth True. My bad.
Gonna listen to some more Epica stuff first.
 
SJD
hola sheriffs!
any mac user that writes openGL on it?
 
'On June 3, 2015 Epica announced their very own festival Epic Metal Fest set to take place on 22 November 2015 at “Klokgebouw” in Eindhoven, the Netherlands.' - that would have been an epic, (sorry), unconference venue!
@SJD You could have stopped after 'any mac user'.
 
SJD
@MartinJames anti mac activist? xD
 
3:33 PM
@SJD Not really, it's just that I used one once.
 
@ScarletAmaranth took me a while
please note that I'm just a haskell guru, I'm by no means a haskell archbishop or pope yet
3
do not judge
aah fold and reduce were mentioned above
welp :<
 
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laughing out luid @StackedCrooked @sehe
 
@SJD OpenGL on mac is a nightmare
 
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Q: Writing two versions of a function, one for "clarity" and one for "speed"

DapperGentlemancerMy professor assigned homework to write a function that takes in an array of integers and sorts all zeros to the end of the array while maintaining the current order of non-zero ints. The constraints are: Cannot use the STL or other templated containers. Must have two solutions: one that emphasi...

I answered the above question, but now I'm worried that it should actually be closed - what do you guys reckon; is it too broad/off-topic?
 
user1804599
Would be nice if you could static_assert function equality.
 
user1804599
3:47 PM
Otherwise, fuck it.
 
@FilipRoséen-refp If unsure, err on the side of letting bad questions slip through.
 
Your professor is an idiot. You can write code that is both clear and fast. You use comments — Ed Heal 12 mins ago
 
SJD
@Borgleader I'm just having that nightmare now..
 
@AnalPhabet comments solve every problem there is in the world, especially ones like // this function sorts stuff - see code for explanation
 
topkek
 
3:48 PM
@wilx it just sucks when you answer a poor question in a semi-elaborate manner, as if it was a good one
 
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@fredoverflow one more for you to watch: youtube.com/watch?v=IOiZatlZtGU
 
@SJD The Blender dev maitaining OpenGL stuff on Mac quit because of how bad the situation was. My condolences.
 
@FilipRoséen-refp You should have thought about that before elaborating. :)
 
SJD
@Borgleader sad to hear that..
 
@wilx I should have, but I don't always do things in the correct order
out-of-order execution in real life
 
3:55 PM
@FilipRoséen-refp This is like the slight feeling of guilt you get after masturbation. The deed is done. You just deal with it. :D
 
ITT SO = wanking
 
@AnalPhabet Well, is it not so. :D
 
actually verily
 
this is a nice take on clint eastwood /cc @ScottW
 
4:08 PM
Turned out Nvidia lied about the extent of their ability to submit async parallel workloads (which ended with AMD slinging shit at them online). Essentially, they do not support dispatching simultaneous async compute queues in hardware.

I wrote some tests as well (GTX 980) which confirm it, clearly showing the individial parallelized workloads are highly ordered, which means sorely detectable hiccups due context switching when multiple command queues dispatch work from different threads (depending on what arrives first to the GPU). So, the more parallel command queues you have, the more th
 
@ElimGarak So basically, Ars's original benchmark is probably not that far off at all.
 
Yup, but as Nvidia is full of lying, secretive turds, they're going to continue to promise driver fixes and shit. But ground level, GCN has physical support for multiple compute command queues to take place and my test on it is like slicing butter. But only to a point, there is a finite number of queues you can send before the same thing happens (but still, generous 8 queues per generic compute engine (8 of them).
 
er, did you mean GCN has no physical support for multiple compute command queues?
or is GCN AMD's architecture?
 
GCN has, Nvidia doesn't. GCN is AMD's architecture, and they are behind nextgen consoles (where asynchronous workloads are necessary to fully utilize the usually weakish hardware).
 
GCN is AMD
 
4:13 PM
ah okeydokey
now your message makes more sense to me
so do you think that 64 queues is enough?
 
make it 128 because why not
 
More than enough, and not only that, they have a dedicated unit for processing graphics (additional queue + scheduler). Nvidia cuts into their meager 32 ordered tasks by making one of them process graphics commands. And that 1 cannot be actually repurposed when not needed, due to remnants of the fixed function hardware.
 
dang fixed function?
I thought that shit was dead a decade ago
 
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A: Break on variable being freed

Filip Roséen - refpHow to do it in gdb In gdb you can set conditional breakpoints by writing break location if condition. This means that in order to break on free where the function is invoked with a pointer that refers to some dynamically allocated data, we first have to obtain the address of the dynamically al...

 
Yup, much of it is "emulated", but portions of the "graphics pipeline" require some special treatment, enough to disqualify it from being used with generic compute. AMD was smart to separate it from the compute engines.
 
4:19 PM
yes, I'm kinda proud of the neat formatting!
 
ah
 
I am kinda sour over buying the GTX980 now. After overhead elimination, async compute was and is the shit behind console level performance.
 
well
I personally cannot say that I was under any specific assumptions about the DX12 performance of the 970 that I recently purchased
but I'd be super fucking unhappy if it turns out that DX12 gamers are getting a lot more bang for their buck and my card can't keep up with games for the next 2-3 years at least.
 
@jaggedSpire True.
 
Given that console ports are basically GCN ports now, async compute will be a huge deal in reducing technical effort for porting games in the future to the PC. Before, they had to rethink their entire pipeline in large part due to the lack of it. But for the next few years, as long as marketing departments exist, DX11 will be a target and strain will be placed on devs to at least pretend to do solid ports to it. Cough, Batman.
 
4:25 PM
@ElimGarak We can still hope for a massive switch to DX12 :)
 
@elyse Fun
 
user1804599
:(
 
The next few years will see the "DX11 in terms of DX12" disease, as marketing departments will be freaking out over the very idea of dumping DX11. Developers will be making engines supporting both or retrofitting existing DX11 ones, which will result in poor DX12 code. Same goes for OGL and Vulkan, if utilized.
 
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Is there a mathematical symbol for "such that"?
 
: usually
 
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4:32 PM
Hmm.
 
@sehe How much experience do you have with Spirit X3? (I'm watching a presentation on it atm)
 
Spirit X3 sounds like a fantastic electric car. Or light aircraft.
 
That would be Karma, not Spirit :P
 
Kinky curves
 
@Borgleader double doors
really?
 
4:35 PM
I saw one of those months ago, didn't know any of them still ran lol
 
user1804599
(subset int x (= x 42))
 
user1804599
this is so ugly
 
it makes a pretty awesome sound but it's all artificial
 
@elyse pff no sections
 
user1804599
Sections don't work with variadic functions.
 
4:36 PM
also Can't stop is hard to play
 
user1804599
(= 42) is true because all arguments are equal.
 
@elyse ikr
 
hi
 
user1804599
Also it's not a lambda.
 
user1804599
hmm wait
 
4:37 PM
it's uh\
 
@edition ohai
 
user1804599
(restrict int (= this 42))
 
it's neigh impossible to keep that strumming pattern
 
user1804599
ah I don't know man
 
Cessna jets have such hilariously small ranges. The most expensive one can barely reach the edge of the US east coast from London.
 
4:40 PM
@Borgleader very little. I used it once. It was quite ok.
@IsmaelMiguel I think you missed the question title? ("Range checks using a switch statement"). I added the lookup approach just for comparison now (see Bonus) — sehe 27 secs ago
 
user1804599
Guess I'll go with (refine int (> this 42)) to mean "the type of all integers greater than 42". If you want to nest refinements and refer to the outer this, use a let binding to rename it.
 
@ElimGarak ikr that's why I own a G650
 
gajagajghjaghj
 
That one has a proper range, yeah. 4 times as much. Although, that's a bit of an overkill for a personal jet. Not to mention the $65,000,000.00 price tag.
 
@sehe I see. Also, I have a silly question, could it (spirit x3) have made use of boost hana had it existed during its design?
 
4:45 PM
@ElimGarak my wallet feels a bit lighter I'll admit
 
uh wtf
I've forgotten everything
7
what is the chord with a minor triad and major seventh called
 
@Columbo yes
 
The mM 7th?
 
o/
 
4:59 PM
\o|o/
 
user1804599
got it
 
user1804599
(<: int (> $ 42))
 
user1804599
this is nice.
 
ohhh Suits is a cool TV show
 
5:02 PM
Did you see the part where that song runs? :D
 
Ghosh, I wouldn't remember
 
The last minute of the last episode of the last season :D
 
Been a few months since I watched Suits
@ElimGarak Crickey
 
Oh, snap :D
 
Nice song though
But I must return to watching Putin's UN speech.
 
5:04 PM
Did he finally put out?
 
lol
dat pun
 
Hi.
 
user1804599
oh cool
 
user1804599
I can optimise out division-by-zero check.
 
user1804599
5:11 PM
In all cases.
 
Public Morals is a great show, too.
 
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Q: How can I keep my cat off my keyboard?

Tom MedleyThis is a common scenario when typing: When the family assembled for Sunday dinner, With their minds made up that they wouldn't get thinner On Argentine joint, potato^DR&FTGYB`kuhadrggoy867rt98wouth4bfgdhjlkhdsfghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhf This happens beca...

 
Use the cat utility, duh
 
lol the first comment
 
lol, the decoy keybaord
 
5:15 PM
@jaggedSpire is this cat... barking? :3
 
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@fredoverflow do you still have that knowledge stuff you wrote in Scala?
 
user1804599
I want to do something similar now.
 
@ElimGarak I dont get why cats like keyboards so much
 
Your mom
 
except maybe laptop ones
 
5:16 PM
I would assume the texture. In case of laptops, definitely because it is warm.
 
@Borgleader I thought they liked it because of warmth.
 
@Nooble Ive seen pictures of cats sitting on non-laptop keyboards and those arent warm =/ (at least mine isnt)
 
@Borgleader Hmm.
Maybe it is the texture then.
 
They also love squeezing into boxes for some reason
now... would a keyboard in a box be the ultimate cat trap or what?
 
Hi smurf.
 
5:20 PM
Hi Koala.
 
@JonClements The mythbusters should test that! :)
 
Have you found yourself Koalified yet? :P
 
@Morwenn Lurker detected! :)
 
@Tony doesn't sound that inviting to be honest!
 
@Borgleader perfect massage device?
 
5:21 PM
lol
 
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I want a cat.
 
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@ElimGarak seek asylum
 
@Borgleader It has that aspect too
but they did make me laugh
 
@TonyTheLion looks appropriate
especially minibartek's comment
 
minibartek?
 
nabijacz
 
Anyone use C++ plugins for Sublime Text 3? If so which ones
 
5:31 PM
why minibartek?
 
@Borgleader YCM
 
@AlexM. Well, my commit actually fixed coed
 
and C++11 (includes build systems etc)
 
@TonyTheLion I was barteking that one time and it stuck
@bluefog per-project build-systems FTW
 
@AnalPhabet s/sticked/stuck
 
5:33 PM
:P
 
@bluefog Hmm dont need that, I setup something with ninja
 
> I was barteking that one time
 
i,ll check YCM though
 
when you realize you're doing it, its not real barteking
 
@TonyTheLion he sucks
 
5:33 PM
the key to barteking is not realizing you're doing it :P
 
@nick truly
 
@Borgleader Tried a few, all were kinda shit :/
 
@Borgleader SublimeANSI
 
@TonyTheLion because he's polish
and 10
 
@nick lol
 
5:34 PM
Works great for colorized build output
 
@AlexM. lol
 
0x10 almost
 
Unfortunately you have to set it manually like here
@ElimGarak 0o17
 
0x11 you mean?
 
He's 15-ish, that's octal. (0fh in hexish)
 
5:37 PM
fucking number systems
 
@ElimGarak oh god that notation
 
so confus.
 
reminds me of that time when I did ASM
 
ewwww asm
 
reminds me of C assignment I did today
 
5:38 PM
After years of assembly, I've renamed ASM to ASS officially.
 
@ElimGarak hehe
 
mov eax, ebp
 
I greatly dislike AT&T / GAS syntax.
 
lol eax
@ElimGarak yeah
 
lots of xmm# here. And everything else in low-level portions of my bootloader / kernel / OS, down to interrupts in real mode along with code segments and shit.
 
5:39 PM
eax is great
 
Ell
mov tony, elim
 
you return things in it
 
user1804599
Lambda calculus master race.
 
16-bit real-mode DOS-interrupt-API FTW
@TonyTheLion you mean ax
 
what about ax and ah
 
5:40 PM
32-bit scrub
 
@AnalPhabet you mean rax
64-bit master race
 
nowadays its rax and rbp
does rbp still get used for stack frame offset?
 
@TonyTheLion sure
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
5:41 PM
There's all your registers.
 
Yes.
 
Ell
@GregorMcGregor lol
stubborn nvidia
 
My favorite question from people is why can't they change the code segment value (peasants mostly wanting to do their own bootloaders and kernels and shit). And then I smack them with my penis.
 
lol .bss
 
user1804599
You have no penis.
 
5:41 PM
e-penis
 
nobody cares about segments
 
ah man segmented memory
the memories, trying to understand that
 
also
nobody likes segments
 
@ElimGarak lol rekt
 
Everyone who doesn't use the shit UEFI middleware on top of BIOS cares about segments. :P You only have interrupts in real mode, and you have to deal with segmented memory. And before you can jump to protected and beyond, one needs to do a lot of setup work. Most annoying thing is the stupid systems which throw you into protected mode immediately, gee thanks, brah.
 
5:43 PM
ah yes, IDT
interrupt handler tables
The Interrupt Descriptor Table (IDT) is a data structure used by the x86 architecture to implement an interrupt vector table. The IDT is used by the processor to determine the correct response to interrupts and exceptions. The details in the description below apply specifically to the x86 architecture and the AMD64 architecture. Other architectures have similar data structures, but may behave differently. Use of the IDT is triggered by three types of events: hardware interrupts, software interrupts, and processor exceptions, which together are referred to as "interrupts". The IDT consists of 256...
 
Yes, among other stuffs. You need to be well prepared before the jump because backtracking is never fun. OS development is the best way to see how backwards and legacy-bent our industry is.
 
Yea pretty much
 
@TonyTheLion Hehe
 
Some systems actually emulate booting from a usb thumbdrive as a damn floppy disk (0x0), although things got better with newer stuff where they are seen as hardrives (0x80) and special extension interrupts were added for more robust LBA triflin' instead of CHS.
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion ID-10T
 
5:48 PM
@Borgleader I simply didn't have time to post ._.
 
@Morwenn but its sunday o.O
 
user1804599
cool
 
@elyse Yes, but I doubt it will generalize to your use case.
 
@Borgleader I had to take my brother to the tramway.
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow nice.
 
user1804599
5:49 PM
Yeah my use-case is different I think.
 
@elyse I watched the first ten minutes the other day and then fell asleep.
 
user1804599
E.g. if you write (if (= x 0) ... ...) then in the true-branch, the type of x will be refined with the predicate "is zero", and in the false-branch it'll be refined with the predicate "not (is zero)".
 
@Morwenn tehee, its all good. :3
 
Can someone explain Doctor Who to me? I've tried watching that shit so many times, but I just can't. :/
 
@elyse kewl
 
user1804599
5:50 PM
So if x has type int, then (/ 2 x) will fail to compile, but (if (= x 0) 42 (/ 2 x)) will compile.
 
@ElimGarak Magical d00d is super old and intelligent so he saves h00manity
 
And dies every season? Wat?
 
added suspense man
 
Fuck if I know
 
@Ell what browser/system did you use to access nonius.io? Maybe you don't have Consolas? (Though I should default it to any mono)
 
5:53 PM
@ElimGarak The power of love solves all problems, more or less.
@ElimGarak Kinda like a phoenix thing.
 
Huh... Well, I guess I'll give it a go one more time.
 
@ElimGarak Goofy monster of the week comes in and kills everybody, but everything turns out okay so everybody laughs.
 
@ScottW @nick @jaggedSpire Mumble
 
@Nooble you said BRB like 10 hours ago
wait more like 12 hours ago
 
@nick Now I'm back!
 
5:56 PM
we are blessed
 
On OS X, the only non-Apple based GUI system that is kinda consistently working & elegant is the one Adobe makes for their creative suite. Though, its performance is shit.
 
yeah I like the flexibility it offers, it's nice to be able to drag menus around within the context of a single window or pop them out and combine them with others
reminds me of chrome tabs
 

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