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12:00 PM
I see.
mmm my atlasviewer is almost working
 
Xeo
Meh, today is a slow day.
 
our program architecture is fucked up but they don't want to change it
 
Aaaaargh 111MB of packages downloads okay, but ONE doesn't
 
lol
 
Unless I download it manually
Then it works
 
12:17 PM
I don't understand
 
@CatPlusPlus I once was updating a system. It downloaded 400 mb of packages on a slow internet, failed to install one package for some reason and after I corrected the issue, it started all over again. Spent like 2 hours or something on it.
 
Xeo
?
 
How can you trap the guy in this configuration?
 
Xeo
cast X to the left of 1?
wait, can't yet
 
How do you cast an X? The commands are "hack" and "quit" (except for the directional ones).
And hack does nothing
 
Xeo
12:19 PM
well, that's hack
needs coordinates
hack row col
 
Still does nothing even with valid coordinates
 
Xeo
0-based, IIRC
 
@Jefffrey It says "...XX 12 X ."
 
Oh nevermind
It's actually hack col row
 
Xeo
oh, was it?
 
12:21 PM
Yeah
 
Xeo
I can never remember in what order I did that
 
@Jefffrey that makes more sense
 
Xeo
oh, right, x / y
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus How do you download something manually? Do you like, suck on the cable?
 
@rightfold I guess he means without using (apt-get|yum|dnf|pacman)
 
Xeo
12:22 PM
Well, it's very crude. An earlier version of that game (not part of the jam) allowed you to say cast x/y, cast y\x, cast x:y
 
no shit
 
Xeo
the \ vs / denoting "corner" of the field where you'd imagine the laberling
 
@Xeo was this before you learned how to KISS?
 
^ I was bored so I made this
 
Xeo
@thecoshman I just thought the x / y vs y \ x made sense at least
I'm currently rewriting the whole thing anyways
 
Ell
12:26 PM
@AndyProwl this is frickin hilarious
 
@AndyProwl lol
 
Xeo
@AndyProwl "throw them away and make something usable" - that's what Microsoft's module proposal is doing
So Microsoft is literally Hitler there.
 
@Ell :D
@Xeo hehe
 
lol @ expecting modules before 2035
 
@AndyProwl <applause>
 
user1804599
12:29 PM
I'm so horny help./
 
@thecoshman </bows>
 
> what you deserve is to end up writing PHP code for the next 20 years
awesome
 
@AndyProwl amazing
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl awesome
 
Don't even joke about PHP
 
12:30 PM
lol, thanks
 
> This ball sucking language is a shitty joke
 
@AndyProwl amazing
 
this sums it up so nicely
 
@BartekBanachewicz I totally didn't expect that from Andy though
 
@Jefffrey in the end it says "I still like c++"
 
12:31 PM
That video seems more from Bartek.
So radical in some points.
 
@Jefffrey Yeah, well it's not necessarily what I think, just the evil part of me
 
@AndyProwl ¬_¬ how very dare you <slap target="@AndyProwl" /> learn to xml
 
@AndyProwl so you're saying the evil part of you is Hitler?
 
</ applause> <!-- it was that good.... -->
 
Literally Stalin
 
12:33 PM
@TheForestAndTheTrees In a sense...
 
@AndyProwl you're Stalin, admit it
 
that, too
 
lol don't be scared they will fix variadics
 
ITT hours of people quoting Andy's video ¬_¬
 
user1804599
Ruby books don't exist.
 
user1804599
12:34 PM
Ruby is for hipsters whereas books are for old men.
 
> Bring me a Ruby book.
 
I hope this silly joke won't backfire
 
lol Heather's tweet
we should invite her here
I love how this video actually requires C++ knowledge/practice to get
 
user1804599
post it on reddit and HN
 
12:36 PM
Hitler says "I'll put a bullet through my head", translation "Bring me a Ruby book"
yep makes sense :P
 
@bananu7 @Cynede @AndyProwl they aren't kicked out, they're just not ready. Maybe C++20 will have them, TS probably with C++17.
ahahaha
this just has to go viral @Andy
 
oh god people are taking this seriously already
 
Swift is good by the way
 
what have I done
 
@Jefffrey yeah.
 
12:37 PM
@AndyProwl its funny
 
@BartekBanachewicz who?
@AndyProwl it's true though, it's a joke
 
8 mins ago, by rightfold
I'm so horny help./
kinda random ^
 
@thecoshman Cynede
 
modules have been the feature trying to get in since 0x
 
Ell
are modules officially kicked out then?
 
12:38 PM
@BartekBanachewicz ... who?
 
@thecoshman A fellow Haskeller
 
@AndyProwl spared us four minutes of our misery
@BartekBanachewicz surely there are not so few of you you know each other by name?
 
@thecoshman now I feel proud
 
in Haskell, Mar 23 at 16:03, by Jefffrey
I imagine people looking at C++ in 98 and thinking: "Damn, we need lambdas" and someone else was like "Oh, yeah, don't worry there's a proposal already".
Same thing with modules basically
 
@AndyProwl it's only raising us up to drop us back down :(
 
12:41 PM
I wonder how fast Swift is in practice though
it has no lazy eval so you have to consciously think about what you're computing
but maybe that'll help actually
 
seriously though... why can't C++ just drop backwards compatibility?
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion yes
 
user1804599
help
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
@thecoshman same reason java can't
 
12:42 PM
it's not like people stuck on C++03 are upgrading any way
 
@thecoshman Because Python 3
 
user1804599
it has no lasy eval so you have to constantly not think about creating thunks
 
¬_¬ I hate it all
 
@thecoshman I've been told the main reason is that people won't migrate to the breaking version because of dependencies
 
Ell
what we need is forward compatibility
that way we won't have to worry about backward compatibility vOv
 
12:43 PM
we had this discussion a couple weeks ago when I was basically shot by the wise ones for thinking C++ should introduce more breaking changes
 
No
Those two are orthogonal
 
I think C++ should introduce features enabled by pragmas
 
but that can't be done reasonably with that retarded build model I suppose
 
I think people should stop using c++
 
12:44 PM
Such maintainability
 
works in Haskell vOv
 
here's an idea, fuck C++ start using the upcoming cosh++ language, current draft is identical to C++, but I'm will to drop all the stupid shit that isn't needed.
 
sigh
it went well up to "fuck C++"
 
@Bartek which ones introduce breaking changes?
 
@thecoshman I'm curious about how the wording in the new cosh++ Standard will look like...
 
12:45 PM
@AndyProwl ... probably SNFW :()
that was a typo, but I liked it too much to fix XD
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Safe Haskell
 
It seems like we are getting the worst of both words. We maintain backward compatibility, but nobody will upgrade anyway.
 
@BartekBanachewicz it always does
 
I'd really like to do some hobby dev today
 
12:47 PM
@thecoshman I thought it was intentional, would have been a perfect joke :D
 
The people that upgrade need the backwards compatibility too
 
I was doing plumbing for two fucking hours yesterday
and the shitty thing is still leaking
 
Ell
I don't really understand how backwards compatibility can be a problem if we explicitly version
 
my new dishwasher is p amazing though so at least this is an upside
 
We're full on C++14 (modulo MSVC) at work, but by no means have we rewritten everything.
 
12:47 PM
I forgot how to tweet stuff on twitter. This GUI isn't too intuitive
 
Ell
ie instead of std::vector we do std14::vector and std03::vector
 
@BartekBanachewicz use smart pointers tools dude.
 
Ell
obviously the language changed are another thing
but surely explicit standard library versioning would help?
 
@AndyProwl well... I kept it... so I gues ti was
 
using std::move_semantics;
 
12:49 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, t's annoying, but you can't force people to rewrite shit just because shinier toys come along
@BartekBanachewicz very good job :D
 
@BartekBanachewicz oooh right. I remember when I got my new dishwasher. All silent and so well working. Felt nice.
 
mine has more features than Haskell really
it has light inside
 
@Ell Maybe just being able to specify which standard library version you want to use for a project.
 
and it opens automatically after it's finished
 
Instead of std14::
 
12:50 PM
@BartekBanachewicz because sometimes turning on the room light is too much effort :\
 
@Jefffrey not for a project, for a module
 
Ell
I think explicit versioning in source code is better
 
@BartekBanachewicz sounds more like a PITA to me...
 
@thecoshman not the same at all.
@thecoshman uh what?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I know, but I can't just admit it's a nice feature can I
 
Ell
12:51 PM
the point is that you'll be able to interface with old code
 
Right
 
@BartekBanachewicz I want it to only be open when I actually want to empty it... wait, you probably just mean it pops open a little bit... I imagined it lowering the door fully for some reason :\
 
@sbi I don't have your number here (long story) so text me if you wanna schedule a time and place
 
@BartekBanachewicz 2fancy
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz so it can see what it's doing?
 
1:00 PM
@thecoshman precisely; it's to aid the drying
@Ell lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz woa *-*
 
django-pipeline: because piping concatenated script to the minifier makes for a good way to hunt down errors
pipeline.exceptions.CompressorError: stdin:7684: ERROR - Parse error. Property "active" already defined in this object literal.
thanks
Still better than Yuglify not bothering to print any error and just throwing jabbascript exception so the runtime dies with a useless traceback
Quality tools
 
user1804599
> web
 
wtf?
> Good heavens, the number of candidates I’ve seen who tried to fix the portability problem by compressing a 64 bit pointer into a 32 bit integer is enormous.
lol
 
yet they keep asking CS questions on programmer interviews
 
1:10 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes you going to give him the satisfaction of knowing why?
 
Ell
having a PhD in compsci doesn't make you a good programmer does it?
Should it?
 
No it makes you a good computer scientist
Too bad it's useless
 
It should if you do it in a decent university, I mean 1) you have to like compsci a lot to sign up for it, 2) you have to somehow pass the entrance requirement in order to make it to the PhD program 3) you have to write some decent thesis in order to obtain the PhD
 
@Mr.kbok no it doesn't
 
1:18 PM
What??? Not sure if NSFW but I'm putting it anyway because some people are easily offended and lol.
 
@TonyTheLion what is it?
 
nothing nsfw
 
Xeo
UE4, why are your "by-ref" parameters not FUCKING BY REFERENCE?!
 
I wanted to be safe
@Xeo because that would be way too logical.
 
1:21 PM
I don't get it
What's wrong with that clothes thing?
 
goddamn message
 
exactly my question
 
splitting
 
it would make sense if you add +1 ... I can totally image cat++ in it, hahaha!
 
@rightfold Yes
 
1:26 PM
Booooooooored at the embassy
 
create some chaos
embassies love that
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Will you get an ID in time for the unconference?
 
I'm in the waiting room.
I'll know soon in three hours.
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus OK.
 
user1804599
also did anyone try mithril
 
1:30 PM
My wrist still hurts.
4
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes noob
 
That's the usual confusion. The linked answer should probably clarify: correct 2phase lookup should account for (partial) specializations. In this case of both the Test<> template as well as the Boost Bimap templates. Actually, the latter is relevant here: if the arguments of bimap depends on a template argument, then it is no longer known during first pass whether bimap<....> contains a member function template by<>() (a specialization might not have that) — sehe 2 mins ago
Who said c++ is not a fun language
 
My nipple still hurts.
 
Oh wow. That's most helpful, mijnwoordenboek.nl
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ew
I ain't starring that
 
1:36 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes So, Robor, for a moment I was wondering whether you awaiting the "gas chamber"
@AlexM. No worries. It barely fell off :)
 
how would you kn... oh
 
Off the starboard, silly.
What did you think :)
 
I thought robor was waiting in a hospital, so for a split second I thought: shouldn't that be yesterday or things has turned really bad ...
 
@Griwes Fine :)
 
@chmod711telkitty still drunk
@TonyTheLion You're safe here
 
1:42 PM
@sehe Am I?
 
@fredoverflow That works, up to a certain volume of process space committed
@TonyTheLion Are you The Great I Am? Because, then You Are.
 
user1804599
I am going to make a tool tonight.
 
You're going to be a tool
Someone started this hobby again
 
There's literally nothing happening here.
 
@KABoissonneault And you stopped reading early it seems — sehe 6 secs ago
@R.MartinhoFernandes Embassies employ wormholes... maybe
 
1:49 PM
The only person that is here to help me left their office half an hour ago and hasn't been back since.
I'm still in the waiting room and there's no one else here.
Feels just like in Portugal.
 
Erm Background checks.
Oooor the office has been taken over by alien entities and they don't really know what they need to do with you
 
Nothing to check. I haven't been called in yet.
 
aliens it is, then
 
> reposotory
 
Ven
1:52 PM
it all hurts.
 
@Ven my ears
they pain me
 
Ven
@AlexM. and soon your eyes!
 
erhm.. shit just turned real awkward in one of the computer labs here at campus
 
> it means reciprocity
wat
 
Xeo
Did someone put porn on the beamer?
 
1:53 PM
@Ven I can't really listen to it
 
Ven
oh, they write "repositories" correctly later!
 
the sound is horrible
 
some student said this to another student, quote: "microsofts c++ compiler is by far the best one, it follows the standard like no other" (translated, but that was literally what he said)
 
my speakers are screeching like at times
 
what.. the.. fcuk
 
1:53 PM
That's it?
 
should I burst the bubble?
 
at least you are not charged $5 per minute while talking to a consultant, some embassies charge a lot of money just for you to speak to someone
 
Ven
@FilipRoséen-refp yes. show them the world of coliru!
 
@Xeo someone is always watching porn at campus, it seems
 
Talk about hyperbole.
Official closing time is at 4, aka in five minutes.
 
1:54 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes pff.. I'm a teacher of the student he said it too, that's why it's awkward - the other student kept glancing over at me while he said the stuff, and I shock my head
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes which is probably why they didn't want to take you in.
 
So what's awkward again
 
I've been here for an hour!
Waiting.
Fuckers.
 
@CatPlusPlus I believe that is an awkward thing to say (a bit sign of ignorance from his part), you don't have to agree with me though
 
@FilipRoséen-refp eh, that's not that bad
 
1:56 PM
I don't think you know what that word means
 
wait until you hear things like "C# is a bit like Java but it's built on top of C++" at work
 
@CatPlusPlus ok
 
I'll be really pissed off if they come over and tell me to come back tomorrow.
As a teacher, if you see exhibiting ignorance as awkward... I'm not sure what to think.
 
why are you at embassy, can't you just take a coach and get to london using your current passport?
 

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