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12:06 PM
o/
> destroying the web
Lol
cute
Claiming front end frameworks are "destroying" the web is the most retarded statement I have ever heard
It's the jquery train all over again :)
If you're unable to understand the tools you are using and end up with shit unoptimised code you have no one to blame but yourself, the tools are indifferent to your opinion
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may be they haven't used back end framework like megento :)
 
12:23 PM
 
lol
 
@mikedidthis Mike, i still has a sad. Cheer me up!
 
@GNi33 wrong guy to ask :|
 
:(
thank god these blue Londoners won the Capital One
so we can win the Europa League this season... right... right?
 
Urm.. the 3rd kit looks great?
 
12:29 PM
hazelnut coffee <3
 
yeah, it does
but seriously, I flipped all my shit at half time
 
@Kitler Yes, and no.
 
yes.
 
no.
 
yes
 
12:31 PM
maybe
 
I dunno
 
When a library is marketed for more than it is, and gains a disproportionate number of users, I claim that it has the characteristics of "destroying the web"
Also, a lot more often than not, you don't get to pick your tools
 
@MadaraUchiha more than often :P
 
How is that related to learning to use them?
 
@Kitler It's not
It relates to tools that should not be used in new projects in 2015, it relates to how our developers, specifically the young ones, are educated and which tools they would pick
If you use jQuery in a new project in 2015 and your excuse is "it makes us code faster", I have every right to call you retarded.
 
12:35 PM
no you don't
 
If you use jQuery in a new project in 2015 and your excuse is "I need to support IE7 and Android 2.3 because someone else is a retard", then I don't.
 
well, you do, but I have the right to call you a tool for saying that
work in a large team and tell me abstractions don't help
they do, and they work.
get off your high horse.
 
@rlemon Make your own abstractions
Out of all jQuery gives you you need maybe maybe 5 functions 10 lines each
 
and introduce a whole set of bugs that jQuery has already solved? nope
 
why? jQuery is not overly large (relative to the size of say... the 90 font icons people include) and well supported.
people using jQuery "because" is wrong
 
12:36 PM
@MadaraUchiha hell no
 
@Kitler Why not?
 
but for rapid application development it is a good tool
 
Aren't we in a javascript frawework overload because of people making their own abstractions?
 
@MadaraUchiha money
 
You want to maintain them?
 
12:36 PM
Is it that hard writing an XHR function yourself?
 
I sure as fuck don't
 
!!xkcd standards
 
@easwee Really? Money? for a 10 line function?
 
there's never only 1 function
 
12:37 PM
1 min ago, by Madara Uchiha
Out of all jQuery gives you you need maybe maybe 5 functions 10 lines each
 
!!tell MadaraUchiha bullshit
 
@MadaraUchiha totally depends on what you are working on
 
how large is the largest team you've ever worked in?
 
for a simple wordpress website maybe
 
12:38 PM
were members changing?
 
@rlemon approximately 30 people,
And yes, members are changing
 
unified, supported, documented abstractions I don't have to write or maintain are a good thing
if you don't think so, don't use them cool, but suggesting to others they are "retards" for doing so is a tool move
 
@rlemon Dude, we have an XHR function that was written once and amended twice through the entire lifetime of the project
An astounding total of 30 minutes was spent on writing it and its docs
 
you write your own abstractions? what are you a retard?
^ see how toolish I sound?
 
@rlemon exactly - we have 200 devs spread cross the world and they come and go project based - part of our tech is custom made - every single new dev has to waste time on learning that
 
12:39 PM
you sound the same when you say it.
 
@rlemon Of course
 
everyone is a tool, jeez.
 
Although we are between friends here, I'm not actually calling anyone a retard.
 
you may call @Katler a retard
 
yes but that mindset is what makes noobies like Dugger flame on technologies without understanding why they are good for the industry
 
12:40 PM
@rlemon Point taken
 
jQuery as a "throw it at everything because" is wrong.
jQuery as an abstraction, dealing with rapid application is not.
 
@rlemon jQuery, today, is an abstraction over something that doesn't really need abstracted (save for maybe maybe 5 functions 10 lines each)
 
you keep saying 5 functions, 10 lines.
but I call bullshit on that
maybe for your applications, but you can't speak for everyone
 
that's 50 lines you have to maintain
You have to make sure are working everywhere
and you have to fix in case a browser fucks them up
 
@rlemon Aside from consistent XHR and DOM selection, what else does jQuery abstract to you?
@Kitler And in case jQuery fucks things up, you're even more doomed
Have you ever patched a library?
 
12:42 PM
and when was that the case?
 
@Kitler When libraries fuck things up? All the time
Our legacy application has at least 3 patched libraries.
Libraries we had to modify because they were fucking up the edge cases
 
I trust a library with an organisation behind it over code you've written
 
jQuery is one of them
 
especially since it gets vetted by the OS community
come to think of it, why don't you put up your abstractions on github?
 
@Kitler Well, in my company's specific case, I can't really, it's not my code to publish.
My own abstractions, I probably can prettify a little and put them up. Never really had the patience or time (or I just didn't think about it)
 
12:45 PM
you should that way us plebs can disconnect with jquery :O
 
@Kitler Seriously now, aside from selectors and ajax, what does jQuery abstract to you?
 
@MadaraUchiha animations, adds new selectors, adds simplified events, adds however slight IoC (arguable, but if used right can), keeps people from writing their own utils or poking at mine trying to 'improve them', offers about 20 other small utilities like position() that I don't use often, but when I need them they are there. At the end of the day I use jQuery for front end work code because it does allow me to author the code faster. and I think we can all agree I have no problem with vanilla.
 
screw vanilla #jquery4life
 
@rlemon CSS3, non standard selectors are the devil, SIMPLIFIED?! LOL, IoC in a DOM abstraction lib?, nothing wrong with people writing their own utils or using lightweight versions of whatever's out there, those are abstractions you can write, most of your code time is spent thinking, not writing. You don't save much.
 
@rlemon stahp being so active chat.stackoverflow.com/users
 
12:47 PM
can't help it.
 
There are a lot of words to describe jQuery events, but simplified is not one of them. Have you tried debugging a jQuery event lately?
 
btw told the gf i m going up to canada to visit you so I can disappear and fly home :P
 
@MadaraUchiha CSS3 animations are not as robust, which is why libs for js animation exist. non-standard selectors are not the devil to me, you can continue to keep your mindset there. yes, events get simplified. there is problem with 9 maintainers writing their own methods or arguing over it, you can't tell me how much I save vs don't save now can you :P
you are clearly bias here, that is cool. jQuery is used wrong all the fucking time. I hated on it for that reason a lot.. but I can't deny that it does offer gains in the areas I've already mentioned.
 
@rlemon It does offer gains
 
flexes biceps Look at my gains!
 
12:50 PM
Just not significant ones in projects that don't really need old browser support.
 
GAINZ!
 
leaves
 
@MadaraUchiha and I disagree
 
@SomeGuy do you even lift bro
 
12:51 PM
@Kitler i wil fite u m8
 
u wot
 
m8
 
!!bullshit
 
I just have to make sure everyone sees this
I enjoyed it way too much
 
12:55 PM
Haha yeah, I loved the bit
 
lol
what was he talking about though
 
@ZachSaucier I get mixed content errors when looking at your demos
Make sure they work with HTTPS
 
@ZachSaucier should have used jquery
 
I use the PJMA (pronounced pajama) stack. PHP jQuery MySQL and Apache
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12:59 PM
@rlemon LOL
 
better known as WordPress
 
@rlemon Did you just made that up? XD
 
yes
 
sometimes I'm clever. sometimes
 
1:04 PM
That needs to be a thing XD
 
pjma.codes <- gives you installer for PJMA
 
@Kitler Only the good ads whose companies have paid us will be displayed!
~ Them, soon probably
 
*award winning ads
 
1:18 PM
heh
 
> If you put poison that looks like candies within reach of your young children, you're going to have a bad time
 
the point of the article is that news reporters are tools
"OMG 1 a day! 11000 people! OMG!" .. ohh wait. that is nothing in reality and more kids eat dish soap than they do these pods.
 
@rlemon Yeah
Like how they reported that the US spent $80 billion of taxpayer's money on the war in Iraq
And doing some simple math tells you it's about $34 per person per year
 
or like how they report that ~100 kids have been admitted to poison control for ecigs. they omit the fact that even more (like 4-5x more) were admitted for physically eating cigs. :/
kids are stupid. everyone knows that
why are we surprised when they nominate themselves for darwin awards?
 
nice that late night repwhoring got me an enlightened badge and nice answer badge and 70 more rep X-D
and no Madara it wasn't a canonical -_-
@GNi33 The quality would improve greatly if they just had a native English speaker approving/proof reading the submissions, I think
 
1:33 PM
Is it possible to give an img tag a name attribute (something like this: name="test[]"), and then submit it within a form, and then with PHP read the variable to somehow get the src of the image tag?
 
@TylerH re: rep-whoring. jsfiddle.net/rlemon/LL5yv4af
If you don't want the checkbox hack. only issue is removing focus
@BigRabbit make a hidden form field and populate it with the src using js and submit that, or use js to augment the data being sent and just add in your src values
 
@rlemon I will have multiple images on a page with descriptions, and I need each images src values, so I can "update" a db if any changes were made. So I guess I could populate a hidden form field with each img src (with PHP), and submit that...yeah? MY js skills are weak(unfortunately) so I am trying to avoid handling anything with it.
 
in either case the smart way to handle it is with js
so don't avoid it, embrace it and go google for some tutorials.
 
Well, how/why would I handle this with js? I have each src value in PHP and output them to my img tags, so I could just also output the same values into hidden form fields. Then when I submit my form, I can just read the src values from $_POST and use them in my query to update each img, is there an issue with this?
 
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1:57 PM
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@onebree what is the world coming to? its been 22 whole minutes and you havent gotten an answer yet?!
 
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@onebree posting your question in the first place does that
 
Anonymous
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1:59 PM
lol
 
Anonymous
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@Feeds actually incredibly accurate
 
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My eyes
 
wat
 
2:12 PM
@MadaraUchiha which part is bullshit? jsvomit destroying the web or that frontend jobs expect it?
 
@cimmanon My guess would be the "destroying the web" part
If anyone's destroying the web it's the efforts of American ISPs
 
just use VBScript for god's sake
 
> destroying the web
by providing more interactive applications for users
the web is FAR better than it was 10 years ago.
hyperbole to the fucking max.
 
you know what's crazy
when quantum computing comes out
they will have to start all over
rewrite binary in ternary
every programming language will have a 3rd arm
it will be a parallel universe, man
 
@Loktar at what cost? half the time, the current temperature on this page doesnt load for me: theweathernetwork.com/weather/canada/ontario/aurora
 
2:16 PM
@cimmanon first problem is you're not using weather.com
second problem is weather.com sucks
 
@Loktar imho better the plain old static web than useless rotating pink dildos animations
 
@TylerH i am making a point here. yes, it sucks. i am too lazy to find something else.
 
All I hear are grumpy old people
and I thought i was the old one :p
 
@Worf or "eat a dick" written in dicks :-P
using CSS
 
lol
 
2:18 PM
new CSS challenge of the week
 
if it's actually an added value it's ok, but i think we weren't referring to that
@TylerH CHALLENGE............................. ACCEPTED
 
@Worf maybe we should go back to "Plis leave a comment in my guest book!"
social media++
and look at this chat for gods sake
 
@Loktar visitor counters
 
@cimmanon Did you just pick the shittiest website you could find?
 
should this be a message board instead?
 
2:19 PM
@Loktar bulletin board
 
@cimmanon Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
 
@Kitler i think for it to qualify for "shittiest", it would have to be on geocities
 
lol
 
@cimmanon no, geocities was the old web
which was much better remember?
the web now is shit!
 
web 1.0
or was it 1.5
1.6?
 
2:20 PM
0.75
 
/me opens incognito mode for searching "pink dildo"
 
lol
 
@Worf just use bing
it has better image results anyway
 
@TylerH ahah ms fanboy
 
@Worf I never use bing
but everyone does say it has better image results
 
2:21 PM
bustle.com cc/ @cimmanon
 
I use altavista
 
and apparently it's the porn engine of choice for reddit
 
ember done right
 
is great, does all things.
 
class Calculator {
	int sum = 0

	def add(int amt) {
		sum += amt
	}

	def subtract(int amt) {
		sum -= amt
	}
}

def closure = {
	add 10
	subtract 20
	add 50
}

def inner = new Calculator()
closure.delegate = inner
closure.call()
System.out.println inner.sum
groovy is awesome :D
 
2:21 PM
so you know if you want to see what a teenage boy has really been doing, don't look at his google history, look at his bing history
 
@TylerH I REALLY don't wanna see what teenage boys have been doing on their computers
but hey, if that is your fetish..
 
@rlemon My fetish is corners
 
i guess my point is: we havent learned anything from our animated flaming skulls days. yes, the web was shit back then, but today we have a different kind of shit.
 
There's always going to be shit
But you can't say everything is shit
 
we're humans. glorified crap factories.
 
2:23 PM
@Neil gonna try it out eventually. do you have a install tutorial for a complete novice? apache tomcat / nginx whatever / java stuff / groovy
i tried to search but i only got grails stuff. i don't want to use that
i don't trust frameworks
 
@Worf Get Spring Tool Suite
It has groovy support out of the box.. in theory it can support gradle and other things, but it isn't required
 
@Worf why?
 
@rlemon because he is odd :P
 
@Neil nope. i want to learn how to install all the things properly
 
@cimmanon lol you sound like a bitter old person
 
2:25 PM
If you're familiar with eclipse, spring tool suite is really just eclipse with some plugins
 
no one cares about progressive enhancement (you know, where javascript is the tiny sprinkles that make things nicer, not your entire goddamn cake and fuckyou if your browser doesnt support it).
 
@mikedidthis you spell "italian" funny
 
Facebook is a great example, its far better than myspace.
 
@Worf Oh, so you're actually looking for pain :P
 
@rlemon less abstraction = more control
 
2:25 PM
@rlemon true true
 
@Neil i'm looking for knowledge
 
I forgot he works alone. it's easy to think your homebaked tooling is the best when you're the only one using it :P
 
@Worf There's no shortage of that. The trick is getting the right knowledge
 
@Loktar and g+ is the best of them all :D
facebook killer
 
do people talk about development here? lol
 
2:27 PM
If that's really what you want to do, I would still advise you to download the sts and see what plugins have been installed, then try to install those in normal eclipse
 
@cimmanon what browser doesn't support javascript?
 
@godmode no, only cats and poutine
 
@godmode talk is a loose term, more like fight :D
 
@godmode nope. just dicks and anime
 
I love it haha
 
2:27 PM
@rlemon And we're all out of cats
 
you'll note my profile picture.. I'm one of you :)
 
I didn't say we liked cats. merely we discuss them.
 
@Kitler its not just a matter of supporting javascript, but an assumed level of javascript support
 
as in "what is the best way to kick a cat"
 
I don't follow
 
2:28 PM
I don't need my product to work in browsers that do not support JS
frankly that is <1% of the potential clients.
and that would double my workload
 
you can use shivs for browsers that don't support a specific feature
 
cost analysis wins.
 
@rlemon I love cats. A little bit of barbeque sauce.. mmmmm finger-licking good.
 
:D
 
@Kitler but the question becomes: do you really need that feature?
 
2:30 PM
lol anyone using a browser that that does not support js should live in a cave
 
if it makes my app easier to use why not?
 
@easwee some people disable it because <enter paranoid reasoning here>
 
@rlemon that is their choice
 
and a dumb one
 
2:30 PM
exactly.
 
^ half of my users, they should still be able to use my app
 
@Kitler I don't believe that
or you mean goats are half of your users?
i do believe that
 
my users are farmers. if bumfuck iowa farmer bob can enable js you can too.
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always assume the client and end users are complete idiots
 
if they can turn js off they are not complete idiots and they should be aware of the consequences of turning it off
the most I would care for such user is to add a message to turn js on or gtfo
 
2:32 PM
@worf new username: bumfuck iowa farmer bob
 
a small noscript and move on. unless of course you have a legitimate set of metrics to support the need to do crazy crap to workaround not having X
 
@rlemon considering that i'm the only that maintains my own code, it's pretty damn good. if i had the interest to create hype around it, you would be using italian code
 
@Worf lol, no I'm sorry the cheeseburger class will never be a thing
 
@mikedidthis hahaha
 
@mikedidthis +1
 
2:33 PM
@mikedidthis lol
 
seriously, someone get on that.
 
@mikedidthis MAKE ME AN AVATAR and i will :P
 
yeah
i ordered a xmass one last year - I hope I'm getting it this year
else santadidthis will have a bad time
 
santadidthis is missing the motivation
beerhawk.co.uk <<< let's send him some
 
I will get them too you all at some point.
 
2:36 PM
but but but I thought I was important importanter :(
 
Guys, you are all important.
 
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nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
 
@mikedidthis just messing with ya bro :P
 
tl;dr - practice game, space burn - the reburning, js13k game, avatars
@Kitler I know, I just feel a little shitty about it, that is all.
 
2:38 PM
noooo I ll send one of my best goats to tend to your needs
 
@Loktar False. I can't have my top 8 friends shown on Facebook
 
@Katler I dislike you -.-
 
also I can't style my own Facebook profile page like I could in MySpace
clearly MySpace was better
 
@mikedidthis no worries - once you get in happy december :P
@TylerH haha
 
@easwee haha, thanks man :D
 
2:41 PM
what's this about a cheeseburger class?
I could go for a class where we eat cheeseburgers
 
@rlemon cheeseburger class?
!!urban cheeseburger class
 
@Worf No definition found for cheeseburger class
 
import italian.cheeseburger;

int amount = new cheeseburger().count;
amount; // 10
 
shame++; waistLine++;
 
shame? i'm proud of that
@Kitler moreToLove++;
 
2:49 PM
hahahahah
 
How about a class that adds one new cheeseburger to the global counter after every time a function is run. Because you always want one more cheeseburger
 
that says everything is it
 
air bender
 
> COME ON CAROL
SHOOT THE BITCH
> I FUCKING LOVE CAROL 😲
 
hahahahah
man I v been watching the last season, I love that hoe
 
2:51 PM
what is that from
 
@TylerH TWD
 
@TylerH it's time to join the club
 
oh
no
 
yes
so you finished it @Kitler ?
 
2:52 PM
not yet
 
My coworkers idea of tandem coding is I work on the CSS file and she adds inline CSS via JS and we just passive aggressively fight over styling via proxy the whole time
 
4 more episodes
 
@Loktar Can't read; wasn't proofread
 
you grammar snob
 
@Loktar I mean he wrote it in English
it's a reasonable expectation to have a published work be typically error free
then again this is medium.com
hang on let me find the tweet that sums it up
 
2:56 PM
s/s//
 
Medium now brilliantly corrals all the self-promotional thoughtfluencers into a single URL you can ignore.
there we go again with the black twitter favicon
wth is going on
 
haha
 
is blue for me
 
user image
2
 
yeah blue for me as well
well tl;dr, use React + Flux instead
 
2:58 PM
this is why i don't use frameworks. wtf is that
 
@TylerH someone agreed with you
> While it makes some good points, it is unstructured and full of typos. I think calling it "a good write up" is overly generous.
edit with particularly mangled example:
Firstly, since the framework is overcomplicated, not many developers really know it well and it is hard to find such developers is very hard.
 

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