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3:00 PM
Click the link
 
I did.
 
@VáclavZeman I am confused by your confusion.
 
So am I
 
@Griwes Well, the Win32 API function lets me compare and exchange without explicit temporary variable.
And I do not get it why is the reference necessary.
 
@VáclavZeman Think of it as of conditional swap; you cannot swap with a temporary either.
 
3:04 PM
@Griwes Well, InterlockedCompareExchange() does.
 
I dunno about the winapi function, but who cares about it?
In your use of interlockedwhatever you already have the value - you are saving the return value vOv
 
Oh! Those two, InterlockedCompareExchange() and .compare_exchange_*() is not equivalent?! I need a loop around .compare_exchange_*() to get the same functionality, right?
 
ICE takes pointers
You need a loop either way
@VáclavZeman There's no temporary variable
 
user1804599
3:25 PM
WOot.
 
user1804599
I have Scala and Python badges.
 
I so very hate clear case
 
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Nice.
 
user1804599
What tool is that?
 
3:36 PM
Grafana
Metrics powered by collectd, fed into Riemann, stored in InfluxDB
 
@CatPlusPlus dat entropy chart
 
@sehe Was surprised too
 
I strongly disagree with this "multi-language" idea
 
barges into lounge to rant
 
3:38 PM
that's me, right now
 
We've had this discussion countless times, let's not make it countless times + 1
 
@ParkYoung-Bae Tells me it might be slightly bogus :) The "use" of entropy is not related to any process in the system.
 
user1804599
what is entropy
 
@rightføld "Amount of randomness"
 
user1804599
3:40 PM
no shit
 
user1804599
I mean in this context
 
Uh, the entropy pool of the system
 
user1804599
for /dev/urandom?
 
urandom and random use the same source
 
3:41 PM
Both use the kernel entropy pool
 
user1804599
ok
 
One of them hashes those I don't remember which, the other gives raw bits or something
 
user1804599
Why would you want to know it?
 
Because getting enough entropy on a server with VMs is actually a problem
 
user1804599
Ah, I see.
 
3:43 PM
@CatPlusPlus entropy?
 
@ParkYoung-Bae I wasn't here. And if I wanted to just search for a written log without my interaction I would just ask google.
 
Pay attention
 
@MarcoA. I'm just telling you
Graciously.
 
@ParkYoung-Bae no worries, appreciated then :)
 
@CatPlusPlus Actually, that's less weird. Apparently entropy is flushes as soon as it reaches a certain saturation (possibly to protect against using prescience by snooping it?)
 
3:44 PM
sorry if I sounded harsh
 
It's ok I'm an internet veteran
:thumbsup:
 
... I still don't get why your tracking that.. .but never mind
:( I'm not that bad
 
The increases on hypervisor is probably haveged feeding its thing into the pool
 
@thecoshman if it runs out, cryptographical operations will stall/slowdown
 
Thankfully OpenSSL will feed private keys back in its own entropy pool
 
3:45 PM
@sehe ah, well that makes sense.
 
did it?
hehe.
Thanks for editing! — Zanzibar 2 mins ago
I closed his question as a dupe
 
user1804599
@sehe Q:A ratio 25:1 top kek and his only answer is one to his own question
 
user1804599
help vampire detected
 
4:13 PM
dalmatians are cute
 
user1804599
dalmatians 101
 
@sehe "shared-ememory"?
 
For fuck's sake
Fuck off with this dumb starring shit
 
Please respond ASAP, as this is my Computer Science project. For rush jobs you need a gold StackOverflow account. — Borgleader 15 secs ago
:P
 
Fuck it. Gonna cook for my friends again.
 
user1804599
4:27 PM
I already removed that.
 
user1804599
The errors are: — Harshinee Sriram 14 secs ago
 
user1804599
inb4 wall of comments
 
Dunno why I enjoyed that so much last time.
 
Is that safe
 
For me? No.
 
user1804599
4:28 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ceramic knife obsession.
 
It's been ten days since I slept on my wrist and it still hurts sometimes :/
 
ADDRINFOT addr_info_hints{ }; -- Does the universal initialization zero initialize the POD?
 
It does value-initialization.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes OK, I think I do not remember what that means for PODs. Does it zero out the POD?
 
It depends. Search value initialization on cppreference.
It has all the details with all the changes from version to version.
 
4:49 PM
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A: How to define "or" logically

FredOverflowHere is a solution without or, and, not, comparisons and boolean literals: or(arg1, arg2) if arg1 return arg1 else return arg2 It probably doesn't get much more fundamental than that ;)

awesome answer to strange question ;)
 
Wikipedia: “Argentina determines whether to observe daylight saving time on a year-by-year basis.” Developers: “What.”
what
 
DST is a Nazi invention.
 
@ParkYoung-Bae what's France's vat %?
 
@thecoshman Depends on the goods. 5.5% and 19.6%. IIRC.
 
@milleniumbug That would follow, seeing how South America is where many Nazis fled..
 
4:53 PM
@ParkYoung-Bae oh right, near enough to what Ireland is. Stupid EU laws change how vat is paid/worked out. But looks like no real change for me.
 
@FredOverflow but
how do you define if logically?
 
@thecoshman What do you mean? In France VAT is always included in the price btw.
 
@ParkYoung-Bae yes, but in the new year, it'll be the country i'm in that matters, not that I'm buying from
 
@AlexM. Depends on how True and False are defined. You could use virtual dispatch like Simula to implement if. Or you could use pattern matching like Haskell to implement if.
 
@thecoshman Oh, I see. What is going to change?
 
4:56 PM
@ParkYoung-Bae EU rules will say that any one selling e-goods to a EU resident has arrange for VAT payments based on the residents location.
ie, if you want low/no tax for your server, mover to a low/no tax place.
here and here
 
That seems kind of counter intuitive...
 
it's a twat
basically some of the big boy got upset that their plebs were buying from else where
 
> I looked up the examles to do pretty printing in python and they scared me away. Sauce
TIL python is scary
 
@AlexM. How do you define if illogically? Do the opposite of that.
 
@thecoshman Who that, OVH? Hetzner?
 
5:03 PM
Pythons can be too
@ParkYoung-Bae no, countries
 
Oh. Names!
 
ie, France loosing out on VAT because people buying digital stuff from states
so yeah, buying a steam game is now at your local vat rate
well, will be soon
 
@JerryCoffin I pretty much always thought of if like →
a → b
if a then b
 
I've no idea how that'll play out with those credit voucher things
 
or maybe something like if : {T, F} -> {T, F}, if(x) = x
does that mean if is the identity function over {T, F}
this is interesting
 
5:10 PM
Lambda calculus (also written as λ-calculus) is a formal system in mathematical logic and computer science for expressing computation based on function abstraction and application using variable binding and substitution. First formulated by Alonzo Church to formalize the concept of effective computability, lambda calculus found early successes in the area of computability theory, such as a negative answer to Hilbert's Entscheidungsproblem. Lambda calculus is a conceptually simple universal model of computation (Turing showed in 1937 that Turing machines equalled the lambda calculus in expressiveness...
 
@Borgleader Of course pythons are scary. Two and a half meters of meat that tastes like chicken. How could that not be scary?
@AlexM. Just for what it's worth, in C++ if is pretty much extraneous. if (x) y is basically the same as x && y;
 
@JerryCoffin That doesn't work for blocks or other void-thingies in C++ though.
 
@JerryCoffin they just want to hug you
 
@thecoshman Good point. How many species make group hugs dangerous?
 
All of them
 
5:17 PM
@CatPlusPlus Most pose only psychological danger though.
 
not sure how many constricting species their are, even less idea how many are dangerous
@JerryCoffin oh, that counts as danger?
 
@thecoshman My mother family tried to group hug me once. ONCE!
 
@JerryCoffin you have personal space issues?
 
@thecoshman Figure out the allusion, and it might almost make sense...
 
is your avatar meant to be a snake head?
 
5:22 PM
@thecoshman Mine? If it was a snake, it was a truly strange one--about an inch long, with wings and six legs.
 
lol, @Jefffrey made @jalf ragequit?
 
Not Puppy
 
oh, yeah, misread the transcript sorry @Puppy
 
@JerryCoffin Nice hat
@thecoshman France and taxes.
 
@ParkYoung-Bae Why, thank you.
 
user1804599
5:38 PM
Hi.
 
user1804599
lol flag
 
Okay, what kind of drama did I miss last night.
 
user1804599
You mean last afternoon? Silly merkin.
 
Even though this is about the 936th time that jalf has ragequit this room, it's not like he does it for no reason at all.
 
What's wrong with encouraging murder :/ ?
 
user1804599
5:40 PM
Jefffrey said he didn't like gay people. Then some other shit happened. Not very important.
 
user1804599
Did I mention I like Go's XML API?
 
user1804599
@AlexM. it means that if returns its input which must be either T or F
 
which means it's an identity function
 
@rightføld Do you have XML/XAML experience? ;)
 
Doesn't mean that's actually if
 
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5:42 PM
@FredOverflow No.
 
@CatPlusPlus nope, it's something I came up with
 
Look at the lambda encoding of bools and how predicates look like
 
and the fact that it's an identity function seemed surprising
what the fuck
that's about it
 
user1804599
Why?
 
user1804599
if(x) = x is obviously identity.
 
5:43 PM
that was supposed to be an edit
 
@rightføld What is that even supposed to mean?
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow That if(x) and x are the same thing?
 
I mean what does identity have to do with if?
 
user1804599
Nothing.
 
exactly
 
user1804599
5:44 PM
This is just a function that happens to be named "if".
 
if(x) = x is just a typo of id(x) = x.
Today my laptop shut down during apt-get update. Now I can't install packages anymore :(
 
@FredOverflow Or shortcut of "identity function" :D
 
@ParkYoung-Bae That actually makes some sense. Backward hungarian notation for functions :)
 
@Mysticial There were a couple of unfortunate messages in the chat involving murder homophobia and stuff
 
user1804599
I think some homosexual people should be killed.
 
user1804599
5:47 PM
Not because they are homosexual, but because they do very bad things.
 
Fact: 100% of homosexuals die.
 
user1804599
That they are homosexual is completely irrelevant to why they should be killed.
 
user1804599
@ParkYoung-Bae How do you know?
 
The Bible says so.
 
@rightføld Can you name a few?
 
user1804599
5:48 PM
The Bible is gay.
 
@ParkYoung-Bae Is there any creature that doesn't die?
 
Xeo
Would you please consider changing the accepted answer? — nhahtdh 5 hours ago
@nhahtdh: No... — Xeo 15 secs ago
 
@FredOverflow That's a complex philosophical debate that would require defining life and death, but I'd go with "no"
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow No, but there's probably some ISIS members who are gay.
 
user1804599
5:49 PM
They should be destroyed.
 
user1804599
@Xeo lol my answer got deleted
 
@Xeo lol
 
user1804599
I like <:??)<%??>.
 
@Xeo You better not, @R.MartinhoFernandes's answer is much better. "Normal lambdas don't have beards." giggles
 
Turritopsis dohrnii, the immortal jellyfish, is a species of small jellyfish which is found in the Mediterranean Sea and in the waters of Japan. It is unique in that it exhibits a certain form of "immortality": it is the only known case of an animal capable of reverting completely to a sexually immature, colonial stage after having reached sexual maturity as a solitary stage. Like most other hydrozoans, T. dohrnii begin their life as free-swimming tiny larvae known as planula. As a planula settles down, it gives rise to a colony of polyps that are attached to the sea-floor. The polyps form into...
 
5:50 PM
@FredOverflow It still may die of disease or accident or after throwing an exception
 
Xeo
@Borgleader Of course I won't. I accepted his answer in the first place to annoy him :P
 
@Xeo Haha what? He didn't want you to accept it?
 
Xeo
Of course not. He hates getting his joke answers accepted :D
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow pedophile jellyfish heaven
 
Weirdo o.o
 
user1804599
5:52 PM
@FredOverflow do you still have the knowledge stuff?
 
user1804599
I want something like it for Styx.
 
@rightføld The what now?
 
user1804599
Knowledge
 
user1804599
From your Karel implementation.
 
I still have all the source code.
 
Xeo
5:54 PM
I just noticed
 
user1804599
Including the static analysis? Nice.
 
Xeo
Who the fuck deleted my "Congrats on the badge" comment on robot's answer :|
 
user1804599
You should publish it on GitHub.
 
@Xeo Probably got flagged as too chatty or something. I lost a couple comments like that.
 
Xeo
The same comment on the other answer is still there :|
 
5:55 PM
Let me flag it
(jk)
 
Because :snackoverflow:
 
user1804599
Maybe people don't like duplicate comments.
 
Maybe people don't like duplicate comments.
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow thanks
 
user1804599
5:56 PM
I don't like mass nouns as type names though.
 
@GuruAdrian Call me spoiled but I can't find this pretty after having seen:
 
@rightføld lol half the comments are TODOs and links :)
@Borgleader Are you talking interior design or cgi? :)
 
user1804599
What did she say?
 
@FredOverflow Not me no
 
6:01 PM
@rightføld Whatever it is; that's what she said!
 
@thecoshman What a dumb comment section.
 
There is no non-dumb comment section on tubyoube
 
@caps It's youtube, what else did you expect?
 
@CatPlusPlus There is if comments are disabled ;)
 
> There is no non-dumb comment section
@CatPlusPlus fixed that for you
@milleniumbug "is anyone here from reddit" is a brand of stupid comment I had never seen before.
 
6:05 PM
M'cow
 
@Puppy oh, it was a little bit further back. Also, I completely forgot to mention the blatant racism from a day or two ago. I knew the list seemed suspiciously short
@Xeo for now, yeah. Could you ping me if anything is done to get rid of the toxic stuff here?
Anyway, just responding to the pings I got. I'm out again. Have fun all
 
@jalf will you respond to this?
 
What'd you want us to do, close the room? I seem to recall you were the most vehemently opposed to doing that and ironically enough quit when we tried to do that
 
@jalf Just plonk them. We won't get to change these people and the internet world is full of them. Quitting would have a negative impact on the room.
 
@ParkYoung-Bae woah there now... maybe we can be rid of that silly cat piss loving ... dane?
 
6:19 PM
Can't lose sight of actually important things, like where's my pizza I'm hungry
 
I'm not even hungry, but now I want pizza
 
user1804599
Pizza is nice.
 
I want pizza
damn you
 
Pizza is an open-source superset of the Java programming language with the following new features: Generics Function pointers Case classes and pattern matching (a.k.a. Algebraic types) In August 2001, the developers made a compiler capable of working with Java. Most Pizza applications can run in a Java environment, but certain cases will cause problems. Work on Pizza has more or less stopped since 2002. Its main developers have concentrated instead on the Generic Java project, another attempt to add generics to Java which was eventually adopted into the official language version 1.5. The pattern...
 
Woo fixed Consul replication
I'm running a service discovery cluster off a service discovery cluster, because Spark can only talk to Zookeeper woo
 
6:37 PM
@FredOverflow Looks better than Java 8.
 
@CatPlusPlus I understand most of those words in isolation...
4
 
I'm totally immune ATM. We've just had a massive meal. Hunters chicken, four veg, roasties and mash. Enjoy your everyday pizza, guys.
 
@thecoshman sensible chuckle
 
@ParkYoung-Bae what?
 
That's the problem with the Servoid language - so few real people speak it.
 
6:40 PM
@MartinJames I bet you'd still take a pizza if offered
 
@thecoshman Mebbe one slice..
 
@sehe Who says it's an issue? And no, I don't, but if I get to know them well enough, then their preferences might actually affect my judgment.
 
-4
Q: C++ map assignment overload for different types

almosnowI have a custom class that inherits from unordered_map like this: class _map : public unordered_map<string, _pointer> { public: // STUFF ... }; Let's assume that _pointer is another custom class that what it does is to help me deal with pointer stuff. _pointers can be constructed from ...

 
@Puppy pedophilia != rape
5
 
calling people cunts? this is gonna be fun...
 
6:43 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit (He didn't ragequit)
 
@Jefffrey right, he's not @LightnessRacesinOrbit to ragequit
 
@MartinJames ... one cut = one slice, right?
 
@thecoshman I'm not as err.. something as you. I make two cuts, four slices.
 
user1804599
time to make software
 
6:59 PM
omg I gonna use double initialization 'cuz it allows to test code easier
 

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