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3:00 PM
@MilesRout if it's not in the standard it doesn't exist
 
freenode##nerds
 
That moment when you have a ridiculous subset of MIPS available and merge sort finally works.
 
if it's not in the standard it doesn't exist in standard C++. Bananas exist. Dogs exist. Software transactional memory exists. They're not in the standard, but they're still things that exist.
 
@chris That moment when you realise you've wasted your life?
 
@MilesRout dogs and bananas aren't very meaningful when reasoning about a C++ program. Standard is.
 
3:05 PM
Boost is as well, but most of it is not in the standard.
 
Ahahahaha
 
@MilesRout There is a bit of difference though: sequence points (as such) were invented purely for describing the semantics of C programs. The original C++ standard continued to use the same terminology, but the new C++ standard drops it in favor of phrasing about "sequenced before", "sequenced after", "indeterminately sequenced", etc. I'm not sure if it was entirely intentional, but in the process, some of the semantic requirements changed as well.
 
If you select a part of the post and use 'quote reply', the result uses BBcode
So much for Murkdown
 
so basically discourse is terrible
 
reStructuredText ftw.
 
3:07 PM
No, Murkdown is terrible and inflexible
 
should've figured, it's written in Ruby after all
 
What's funny is that they've wasted 2 years on making a spec for it
 
iPhone 6 pre-order sales breaking them records...
 
Most of GitHub is also written in Ruby, yet it works fine.
As are many other tools.
 
Fuck Ruby
 
3:07 PM
Fuck Ruby
 
I wish someone would rewrite Vagrant already
 
@PolymorphicPotato and there are many tools that are in ruby which are pretty bad
 
Packer is in Go, why can't Vagrant be in Go
 
like Vagrant and Jekyll
 
@BartekBanachewicz Indeed.
 
3:08 PM
@CatPlusPlus Eh school
 
What is bad about Jekyll?
 
Vagrant is a p good tool
 
inb4 "it's written in Ruby"
 
I couldn't get it to work vOv
 
Ruby makes it really fucking slow and that Ruby DSL hardon is terrible, but it's still invaluable
 
3:08 PM
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
That's because you're a butte
 
Like Puppy who couldn't get Ubuntu to work.
 
seriously though, I had the exact same build and env as github and it worked locally and failed on remote
and after like 2 days I lost my patience
Haskell isn't the be-all and end-all of functional programming languages — Ell 16 hours ago
lmao @Ell lecturing people about Haskell
says p much about the level of gd.se
 
So basically you're tigthing your hand with an outdated approach you don't even know the basics of, and you think this is a good gamedev question. Original. — GameAlchemist 6 hours ago
laff
 
3:11 PM
it's not original
it's typical.
 
Note that FP is the 'outdated approach' here
 
@CatPlusPlus what. no. no way.
 
youtube.com/watch?v=CJAUbrh9mrE - nice footage from Ukraine, just war, from both sides.
 
meh, I also saw a guy who was trying really hard to model his game so that it fits into patterns
and when I suggested an architecture that made more sense for his particular game (tetris) he started trying to discover what patterns I was using
"oh so you treat X like a Visitor and..."
 
Ell
@bartek yes that's clearly a lecture about haskell
 
3:13 PM
I hate pattern-oriented development :(
 
@Ell butts
 
FP and OOP are not mutually exclusive.
 
We don't speak about OCaml here
 
Ell
@bartek calm down man
 
And Haskell is indeed not the definition of "functional programming."
 
3:14 PM
OCaml should be spelled ocaML
@Ell dude I was joking
 
OCamlToe
 
Ell
Lol
 
seriously though ML is ML. Why call OCaML OCaml
 
Because it's based on Caml.
 
OCalm
 
3:16 PM
Scala ftw!
 
@BartekBanachewicz Because of camels
Fuck Scala
 
Cameltosis.
 
is scala this quirky gimmick mutable functional language?
 
It supports mutability, just like about like all functional languages.
 
I HAVE DOUBLE CLOSED THE TOPIC
2
 
3:21 PM
@CatPlusPlus I thought so :S
also, how come it wasn't closed when I closed it
 
Trust levels are fucked up.
 
Because Robot set everyone to rank 4 and apparently that means closing topics is meaningless
LAFF DOUBLE CLOSING DOES NOTHING
 
user image
3
for gods sake
 
How the fuck am I losing packets; this is TCP.
 
lol
 
3:22 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes PCP?
 
inb4 thanks jeff
 
Can't use any lower trust level because they can be obtained through automated means.
 
Obviously no one will ever need a different user progression than what Their Holiness Jeff needs.
 
Chief butte. Salty dog.
Those are some titles.
 
3:23 PM
so... we either have everyone able to do everything... or let nubs sign up and automatically be allowed to do more or less everything?
@EtiennedeMartel that they are.
 
@BartekBanachewicz One is 'close' the other is 'archive'
Registration is gated
 
@CatPlusPlus lmao
 
I like how that's not just a visual glitch, caused by some weird ajax update.
 
They ran out of icons
 
3:25 PM
They ran out of brain.
 
@PolymorphicPotato They never started with one
 
Brain is hard to come by.
 
Then uninstall it and use something else.
 
home time :P
 
3:26 PM
Fourth time the charm
We're evaluating it
 
@PolymorphicPotato now this says a lot about the industry if that's the best we have
 
Contrary to popular belief I actually use things before I start hating them with passion
13
 
Use a Git repository with .org files. :D
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes s/needs/realizes he needs/
 
@CatPlusPlus You can't hate something that is this funny.
 
3:27 PM
@JerryCoffin Jeff knows best
He's got a popular site called Stack Overflow
That gives him great insight into every webapp that might be even slightly related
 
You know, like there are movies that are good, some are bad and some are that bad that they are funny to watch
Same with software, there's ... well something good, then there's eclipse, then there's discourse.
 
> There are maybe fifty world class computer language designers on the planet.
I could become 51st.
 
@CatPlusPlus Ah, the Soviet view of things: "This is perfect". 10 years later: "Why are we replacing what we told you was perfect? The definition of perfection has changed!"
 
@BartekBanachewicz Sadly, none of them work in CS.
 
@Xarn I don't think working in CS leaves you much time for working in IT.
 
3:31 PM
@CatPlusPlus Not that it matters that much, but there are two topics about the continuation of rule 301: here and here.
 
@albedoa jeff fatwood of snack overflow lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz fixd
 
@Xarn then I have no idea what you mean
Activated 2FA for @Google, which promptly locked me out of my Android phone. Now I cannot read the SMS with the access code. Well done.
 
@Jefffrey I moved the stuff you posted in the closed topic to one, the other was Robot using reply as new topic
 
twitter time
 
3:33 PM
jesus christ something awful
i just want to read the fucking topic
lol 10 bucks for an account
 
@Jefffrey Don't think paywall is up right now.
 
That one is archived
 
Archives are separate
 
sorry
 
i just want to read the fucking archived topic
 
Also cost more money than just account. :-D
 
Also the funniest one was the one from 2012
> c) There has to be some kind of voting (or favoriting/starring) system for posts
THERE HAS TO BE
> a) of course we'd pull in the general reputation system (probably per-subforum), badges, and governance (meta) concepts behind Stack Overflow/Exchange. AKA "The Gamification"
of course
Oh hey someone screenshotted it imgur.com/a/Ucp1T
 
I'm score
 
3:41 PM
This is actually a nice feature. See the right hand side.
 
Ell
@bartek Scala is really cool
 
It's also not really an original feature
But yeah it's nice
MercuryBoard from 2005 that runs MUDBytes has it
But really go through those screenshots that topic is amazing
Drink every time gamification comes up
 
@CatPlusPlus So much text.
 
I could make HTML dumps but you'd have to be very persuasive
 
@Ell like Ruby, I know.
actually no fuck this
tell me why Scala is cool.
 
3:45 PM
And apparently he registered just for that topic.
 
Fuck I have to study probability
shit
why did you post that now
 
Ell
@bartek you can target .net or the jvm
It does functional and oop
It has nice syntax
 
@Ell that's subjective
@Ell So flexibility, right?
 
Ell
Okay, it has type inference
 
Meh, CLR has C# and Boo
 
3:50 PM
Can, Travis-ci be configured to reject pushing broken builds?
 
And F#
 
Ell
Yah flexibility
 
@Ell is this H-M inference?
 
I agree that mailing lists are terrible.
 
@Ell The platform is mildly interesting implementation detail for me.
 
3:50 PM
Specifically google mailing lists.
 
Ell
@bartek not quite
 
lol Bartek learned a type theory thing
 
I never know what the fuck is going on.
 
@CatPlusPlus you wish it was one thing
 
Ell
IIRC it couldnt use hm because of java interop or something, not surev
I'd have to look it up tbh
 
3:51 PM
@JohanLarsson Uh no? How do you want to reject a push when it needs the code to be in the repo to build it
 
@BartekBanachewicz At least we know what you will wank about next. :-P
 
Altough I got stuck in Pierce, I admit
 
Ell
It's good enough inferrence for me
 
@Xarn what?
@Ell that's... uh.
 
@CatPlusPlus :) Maybe some git voodoo like temp branch or something idk
 
3:52 PM
Do that yourself
You should have a stable branch anyway
 
I only have one branch, non-stable
 
GH doesn't have branch locking, but you can do it with some self-control
 
So Scala is interesting because it's a hybrid language.
 
@JohanLarsson Then make another
And only merge to stable if tests pass
You should use feature branches anyway
 
Ell
@bartek Scala allows subtyping
 
3:54 PM
I've found that "hybrid-paradigm" languages are a bit annoying because ironically it's less obvious how a problem should be solved
 
Ell
Hm doesn't allow subtyping
Scala has pattern matching
 
@BartekBanachewicz Tell me what you think about Perl? :-D
 
@Xarn It's terrible.
@Ell What does it give me over type classes?
 
Lo and behold, we actually agree about something.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz scala has type classes
well
you can write them without too much boilerplate
 
3:56 PM
So scala is a hybrid language that introduces subtyping for the cost of losing HM.
 
butts
 
@CatPlusPlus As soon as a stray from protocol 1.a with git I feel old and dumb and break things :)
 
I am not sure if I find the OOP-FP hybrid languages actually that useful though.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz right
 
@Ell Is there anything unique about Scala?
Because so far every feature of it appeared somewhere else.
 
Ell
3:59 PM
@BartekBanachewicz where does this combination of features occur?
 
I'm writing a filter that checks if an item in a collection differs from it's neighbors > treshold. What is a good name for it?
 
Ell
I don't think there is anything unique about scala
 
Also I think that using Lenses isn't really that different from operating on subtyped things, albeit only in context of data structures
 
Ell
it has structural typing
 
@BartekBanachewicz The unique thing in Scala is that it has the unique features of several other languages.
 
Ell
4:01 PM
it has lots of goodies
I don't think being unique has a bearing on whether a language is good or bad to be honest
 
@Ell I agree.
 
@JohanLarsson IsPeak?
 
Maybe feels like it should have a name in maths.
 
@Ell auto end = std::unique(language.begin(), languages.end()); assert(end == languages.begin());
 
@Ell I would use Scala if I had to develop an Android application.
Otherwise, I don't think I see any use for it.
 
Ell
4:04 PM
@BartekBanachewicz you'd use haskell for everything else?
 
(in my personal area of interests)
 
If I had to develop an Android application I would use a knife.
 
@Ell not everything, but Haskell has become my prime choice for a lot of things, yes.
 
Stab wounds might convince the other person that I would not have to develop an Android application.
 
@Ell The more languages I learn, the more I have to choose from, so naturally it all fragments a bit more. That being said, my personal preference lies on Haskell now.
 
Ell
4:05 PM
I think you should give scala a go
 
What should I write in it?
I don't develop on Android.
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz A static analyser for Karel.
 
TBH if I were to pick my next language to write something it would be Idris.
 
ahahaha
You can "select all" posts and move them to "existing topic"
But that doesn't remove the topic you were merging from
Because why would you want that
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz implement more optimisations in Fred's Karel compiler.
 
Ell
4:10 PM
@BartekBanachewicz whatever you want
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz Type-safe Battleship.
 
4:27 PM
Is SomethingAwful worth those $10?
 
Is it a una tantum?
 
I haven't seen any tunas around
 
Payed only once. Jesus.
 
4:29 PM
Sorry I don't speak your weird alien gibberish language use English
Also yes, unless you get banned
 
@Ell I already have a few projects running though
 
> this is my the witcher 2 :D .. i recorded it with fraps then i used Adobe Premiere Cs5 to edit the vid, and i dont know why it became darker and with lower quality -.- '.. it looks much better haha, the games runs between 20-30 fps .. but with fraps that turns down to 20 -15 i think .. ammm im bored and i dont know why im writing this .. is almost 1 am .. and im tired hahaha my computer is a <specs> and thats all ... sorry 4 my english .. i know is bad ahshash bye byeee
quality video description
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz of course you don't have to try it
 
Someday I will still understand why people use fraps.
 
4:31 PM
@Ell We could make a game in it on the next JeffreyJam
 
lol
 
user1804599
Write Discourse clone in Scala.
 
Let's try this shit.
 
@Jefffrey which shit?
 
SA
 
4:35 PM
This shit
 
user1804599
Shit Assurance
 
could you be more vague please
 
Something Awful
the forum I was discussing 20 posts above
 
Oh right I get it's awful, it's shit
@rightfold I don't like writing web apps
 
4:36 PM
Don't go to FYAD
 
in Haskell, 29 mins ago, by Jimmy Hoffa
@BartekBanachewicz anytime I see a value in a condition and one of it's branches, I feel like you should be able to just rely on some approach to applicative to make that logic branch chosen by composition like a monoid rather than with an explicit conditional branch
also this guy looks like he's pretty good :S
 
Go to E/N and post introduction.
 
user1697973
hey everyone, I'm looking for some book recommendation about game programming with C++, should I buy "Game Coding Complete - Fourth Edition" or "C++ For Game Programmers (Game Development Series)", or both? ty
 
@LucasWilson neither
 
@CatPlusPlus wats dat
 
4:36 PM
You don't want to know
 
@LucasWilson Don't buy books that contain both "game programming" and "C++"
 
"Fuck you and die"
 
user1697973
@BartekBanachewicz lol why?
 
Because they're about gamedev
 
@LucasWilson because game developers are typically terrible C++ programmers
game programming is also programming
learn it from a book about programming.
 
4:40 PM
> Error: Missing required form data 'first_name'
 
user1697973
@BartekBanachewicz ok, do you have any book to recommend?
 
Discworld
 
Ell
@LucasWilson c++ primer
 
I'm so sleepy
 
game developers on the lounge: chat.stackoverflow.com/…
 
4:47 PM
Oct 8 '13 at 13:38, by jalf
if game developers grew the fuck up and accepted that they are just programmers, that they are not special, that they can actually share knowledge (and learn from) programmers who are not currently working on a game, then perhaps one day we would get to the point where game programmers could program
this.
hi @Robert
 
Anyone in here have some delete votes for
3
Q: Delete the popular popular deleted stack overflow and programmers questions

MichaelTThe justification for keeping Popular Deleted Stack Overflow and Programmers questions on Meta.SE is: So those two Programmers questions are the only justification for keeping this on Meta instead of SO meta or Programmers meta alone – random Jul 6 at 18:37 @random, I pulled my account ...

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Q: Popular Deleted Stack Overflow and Programmers questions

systempuntooutWhat are some of the more popular questions on Stack Overflow and Programmers that have been deleted?

^^-- That one, not the one above it.
Three more votes needed.
 
I yawned
Also those search results reminded me that @Pubby abandoned us
 
@CatPlusPlus hey actually where is he
 
He went to code things for DCSS and then vanished from there too
 
4:51 PM
He's poking around SO but of course there's no fukken PM system
So I can't yell at him
 
at least he is here
@NicolBolas might be dead for all I know :/
 
is there a way to create a dedicated pseudo terminal for a process from where it will read/write...
 
Seriously there should be PMs
For people not just mods
Fucking snackoverflow
 
@LucasWilson C++ is enough subject matter for a whole book (or more than one). Game programming is sufficiently nebulous that you should probably avoid all books that purport to teach it. I'd think in more specific terms, like a book on Dx11 shaders, rather than game programming in general.
 
user1804599
@RobertHarvey how about no.
 
4:57 PM
Kinda nice that Puppy and Pubby are not around at the same time, though.
Might be terrible for those of us that are disxelyc.
 
ahaha
 

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