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2:00 PM
And "google," not "Google."
 
> The Tvashtar plume appears blue because of the scattering of light by tiny dust particles ejected by the volcanoes, similar to the blue appearance of smoke.
 
@PolymorphicPotato let's edit it
 
Wow, it is true colour.
 
so M(1, 2) was equivalent to Method(1,2) but obviously not with this syntax
 
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.....
 
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2:00 PM
3 dvds
 
user3010322
3 fuckin' dvds
 
user3010322
What does Debian put on itself?
 
hint you don't need all of them
 
user3010322
The whole world?
 
those are optional packages :V
 
2:01 PM
the debian ISO I always used was under 700MB IIRC
 
@BartekBanachewicz ?
 
I download whatever I need when installing it anyway
 
@ThePhD also you really don't want debian if you can't use ubuntu
@Jefffrey look above come on
 
user3010322
If it lets me have a blank password I'm golden. :v
 
Ell
@ThePhD what are you downloading? :S
 
2:02 PM
Download net installer noob.
 
@ThePhD I don't think it will
 
Never use blank passwords.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I did. Googling "Let me hoogle that for you" yields no results.
 
@ThePhD might allow no password
 
user3010322
2:03 PM
Blank/no password, same thing!
 
@ThePhD of course not
 
@Puppy Too harsh. Mostly sulphur, very very high levels of volcanism, and it is so deep within Jupiter's magnetosphere that there's a ring of plasma along the moon's orbit made out of ionised material ejected from the volcanos.
 
@ThePhD no password means you cannot log in with a password.
 
@PolymorphicPotato where was that link at?
 
user3010322
2:03 PM
And blank password?
 
@ThePhD an empty password.
 
user3010322
There should be absolutely no functional difference between the two. ._.
 
It's crazy.
 
user3010322
2:04 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes INF
 
Ell
@ThePhD empty strings and none existent strings are different!
 
user3010322
@Ell What GUI can tell the difference?
 
user3010322
What terminal can tell the difference?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes There are a few types of bacteria that live in volcanoes here on earth. Similar living on Io seems at least remotely possible.
 
@ThePhD just because your uneducated opinion states so? There are other means of authenticating than a password.
@ThePhD every fucking one.
 
Ell
2:05 PM
@ThePhD wut. it's much lower than that
 
if you're not prompted for a password you can't input one.
 
Ell
it's on the authentication level
users and permissions and whatnot
not about GUIs
 
> c++ linked list segmentation fault debug.
anyone? :P
 
user3010322
Winner winner chicken dinner.
 
user3010322
While Debian downloads, I'm reinstalling Ubuntu, but with a twist.
 
user3010322
2:08 PM
I'm going to copy the /etc/shadow password the ubuntu user uses for the LiveCD.
 
user3010322
Because that allows a true blank password to be used everywhere.
 
user3010322
So might as well just use something that works.
 
@ThePhD Download netinst image, so you don't have to get all those DVDs
 
you might also just use a real password
 
user3010322
I don't want a fucking password that's fucking work.
 
2:09 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Sure. "Don't use a linked list".
 
oh wait no that makes sense
@JerryCoffin Bah, he not only used it; he implemented it :|
 
>using linked lists
>2014
 
Put a space in between > and the rest, darling.
 
'twas intentional
 
Ell
@ThePhD I don't think it does
 
user3010322
2:11 PM
@Ell It better. :D
 
@MilesRout Your intentions are terrible then.
 
Ell
@ThePhD it uses no password
 
user3010322
@Ell A hash of the empty string.
 
@BartekBanachewicz "Doctor, it hurts when I do this." "Don't do that."
 
Ell
@ThePhD Wait. it doesn't even do that I don't think
hmm
maybe it does use a blank password
 
user3010322
2:13 PM
All of this just to run some linux tools.
 
10
Q: Do I need to port std::move to my kernel?

RigbyI'm concerned that in kernel land I will not have access to things like std::move, std::forward, std::initializer_list, etc. While some of these features are built into the language, they still require the appropriate headers and library implementation. Is the following sufficient to take advanta...

read the answers
 
Also cool Discourse doesn't set the 'reply to' thing when you reply to the last post in the topic because WHY WOULD YOU WANT THAT
 
thanks @George and @Brad for removing that crap
 
There are no answers... There are some cringeworthy comments, though.
 
@MilesRout you need 10k rep to read them
 
2:15 PM
Removed?
 
laff people assuming "kernel" means "Linux"
 
@MilesRout yep
 
Idiots everywhere
stackoverflow.txt
 
whats the standard extension to use for C++ file?
 
.turd
 
2:16 PM
@Bilal .c++
@MilesRout there
 
...wow
those.
 
> openly hostile to C++
lol
they're at war with C++
 
@Bilal .cpp
 
@BartekBanachewicz oh god
 
Clearly insulting the language once mostly as a joke when it was much worse than it is today means you're openly hostile to it forever, right guys?
 
2:19 PM
people coding in C are universally dumb.
 
I found it funny because I imagined Linus drafting people to go to war against C++
 
@MilesRout No, but it still keeps being brought up by both sides. Ugh
 
@AlexM. ha, that image is now permanently stuck in my head.
 
@MilesRout Linus didn't mean it as a joke. He is really that dumb.
 
@Bilal .C, .cpp, .c++, .cc, .hpp, .hh, .h++, .inc, and probably more.
 
2:20 PM
I know you guys don't like actually discussing C++, but this post is quite cool chriskohlhepp.wordpress.com/lambda-over-lambda-in-cplusplus14
 
@MilesRout We like discussing C++
why wouldn't we like that
 
I like that you like discussing C++
I learn a bunch of new things in the process
 
I'm pretty sure there have been a lot of arguments on meta about this channel being called C++ and then not being very C++-y lol.
 
@MilesRout lol rainbow parens in C++
 
oh man I was so eager to extend the unit tests to the rest of the library (code before I came here)
but then singletons
 
2:22 PM
Is it bad that I think they look way better when you write lisp-in-c++?
 
Aaaand monads in C++
@MilesRout certainly writing full-blown functional code in C++ isn't the way to go
but some concepts work alright.
it's all about striking the balance
 
@MilesRout It is a lounge templated on C++ programmers. So we are just lounging and talking about stupid things, because thats C++ in a nutshell.
 
If the problem you want to solve calls for more and more functional solutions, maybe you shouldn't be using C++ in the first place.
 
well certainly not in actually useful code. But half the reason I like C++ is that it's so much fun to just fuck around with it.
 
Ell
why would one want monads in c++
 
2:24 PM
writing turing machines with templates, etc.
(I do very little useful work)
 
@Ell because monads are a very useful concept?
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz That's a helpful answer :P
I understand the reasoning now
before I thought people wanted something that wasn't useful!
-.-
 
hahahah BBCode
I loved bbcode
in 2002
 
@Ell Well then I don't know what else have you expected.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz really? :P
 
2:26 PM
BBcode. Now that's something I haven't heard of in a long time.
 
Ell
If you were trying to convince someone to use monads, you'd say "they are a useful concept"?
 
@Ell I wouldn't convince anyone to use monads in C++ TBH
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I mean, in any language
 
convincing people to use monads is like convincing people to use macros in lisp. They seem kind of cool but not very useful until you start using them regularly and you realise they make your life a lot easier.
 
2:27 PM
@Ell If you were a haskell programmer, I'd show you examples with and without monads and then you wouldn't need convincing vOv
 
(and yeah I know that's one of those non-answers that people hate but whatever)
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz But still. I mean when I ask a question like that it's because I don't know what benefits monads would bring to c++, not because I think they are bad or whatever
 
@Ell They mostly introduce a new way to solve problems, which might be more natural for people doing FP regularly.
 
well let's say you want to write functional code with lots of currying i.e. basically haskell in C++. Then that's when they might be useful. Of course you could be a normal person and write C++ in C++ and Haskell in Haskell, but that would too easy.
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Ell
pure fp at least, right?
 
2:29 PM
monads have both advantages and disadvantages over other solutions
@Ell not necessarily (F#)
the more ways you have to solve a problem, the better tailored your solution can be vOv
that being said, some ways don't translate as well to other languages
 
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@Rapptz Do you think with your constant symbolic expressions it would be possible to create lerping equations described entirely by in-language functions and math operators?
 
@ThePhD that sounds like something you could do with basic expression templates.
in my uneducated plebeian-without-a-phd opinion.
 
@MilesRout Actually, I do things like this a fair amount. What I work on needs some pretty low-level machine access, so I'm pretty much stuck with C++. I want higher level constructs too though. My choices are to do them in C++, or package up my C++ code into libraries I can use from some other language. If I can get what I want without the work of packaging and such, so much the better.
 
@MilesRout phd stands for "phantom derpstorm" btw
 
user3010322
Or doooes it?
 
2:36 PM
@JerryCoffin That's pretty understandable, actually. Still I think there's a strong distinction between "writing high-level C++ that uses functional idioms when appropriate" and "writing lisp/haskell/whatever in C++", and while the first is actually really good, the second is just for fun (and a wee bit of wankery).
 
> Add a fallback in case of failure so we can proceed just in case.
 
@ThePhD who cares, fuck degrees
 
I don't get what does it mean
/cc @R.MartinhoFernandes
 
I think it means that in case of failure and you get a failure you can fall back on your in-case-of-failure fallback option that you prepared in case there was a failure, which will allow you to proceed with your fallback in case of failure.
 
@Jefffrey It sets deadlines for things that are mandatory, but does not specify how to proceed if the deadline is not met.
 
2:39 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes So it sets the timespan limit but not what happens if those are not met?
 
Yes. It's an easily exploitable flaw.
 
Yes.
 
Does anyone know if liveworkspace.org is ever going to be back up?
 
I feel there should be a default vote and a time limit for voting, but introducing default vote is probably too much for this
 
2:44 PM
wait, do you mean politically, or on SO?
 
@MilesRout neither
 
@MilesRout Use coliru
 
does it have g++ 4.9?
 
user3010322
It has everything you can dream of.
 
@MilesRout yes.
 
2:55 PM
I wish there was some nicer way of introducing a sequence point
 
@CatPlusPlus My planned pacing rule established that too. I think we can roll with that for now.
 
cout << f() `<< f() << endl; or something
#pragma dwim maybe
 
Ahahaha Jefffrey posted in a closed topic
 
@MilesRout no sequence points in C++11
 
I have never found myself iwth a need to artificially introduce a sequence point.
@BartekBanachewicz It's still a very useful approximation, since the real rules are now unintelligible to anyone not designing a CPU.
 
2:59 PM
@CatPlusPlus Fuck the system
 
@BartekBanachewicz You're not going to go all freenode##c on me, are you? "THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A [insert something here you are sure exists but somehow doesn't exist in standard C, only in every single implementation]"
 

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