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9:01 AM
though to be fair, a forum is not that hard to make.
 
I did one school as a project... though it was just a proof of concept thing in access... it was for playing with DBs more than anything
 
Getting people to do anything is the hard part
 
lol, that it is
 
Money is a good incentive
 
9:02 AM
We could've been rich on our space game by now
Which is not dead
 
What space game?
 
didn't people want to not charge?
@CatPlusPlus oh great, now look what you've done!
 
@thecoshman You mean like Jeff did with Discourse?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes erm... kind of... I just did what I thought was nice and added the features I wanted to add...
 
9:04 AM
To be honest, I don't get why someone would pick Discourse over phpBB or vBulletin or any other classic.
 
it was fairly basic
 
As a user, at least.
 
Did you ever run vBulletin
did you
 
Probably because PhpBB has not been updated in decades.
 
I still have nightmares
 
9:05 AM
mock phpBB all you want, I prefer it over discourse by far
 
@Jefffrey If by decades you mean month ago sure
 
Ok, maybe just 1 year.
It was an hyperbole.
 
@Jefffrey oooh,where do you get those? Can I get a dozen?
 
I'll take 6
 
9:06 AM
oh, sorry, can I get a dec of them? /cc @BartekBanachewicz
 
A what
 
vOv not sure what the metric version of a dozen would be
 
RCs don't count.
 
What
"Oh all that new development doesn't count, project is DEAAAAAAAAAAAAAD"
 
9:07 AM
It's dead for me.
 
you're dead for me
 
:|
Does PHPBB support unicode?
 
Nothing supports Unicode
 
It probably uses utf8 with MySQL, so no.
 
@BartekBanachewicz erm... I think you actually need to vote on your own proposal btw
 
9:11 AM
It can use mbstring afair
Don't really remember how well that works but hey
PHP6 will solve everything
soon~
 
It's PHP7.
 
no, thats 007
 
@PolymorphicPotato No, that won't solve everything.
It's PHP6.
 
Xeo
@thecoshman 12
 
@thecoshman oh
 
9:14 AM
@Xeo no you boob
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@BartekBanachewicz fairly sure, I don't see why you wouldn't. You are a player, it is a proposal etc.
 
P sure 'dozen' doesn't depend on measurement system used
 
@thecoshman right
 
told the cab driver to go another way to avoid a congestion
turned out everyone else thought of doing the same thing
 
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@CatPlusPlus unless you're a baker
 
Don't tell the driver how to drive
 
9:18 AM
of course you tell the driver where to go if you know some ways are shorter than others
 
@AlexM. Yeah, because it's not like he is on the streets everyday
 
it's actually more about the fact that he doesn't always choose the shortest way
 
You better teach him the shortcuts.
 
Shortest doesn't mean fastest :ssh:
 
Look what happens when you think shortest is important.
 
9:19 AM
this is the first time there were lots of people on this particular road, in the 10+ trips I've taken
 
Wow 10+ trips.
That's certainly a lot more than the cab driver's experience.
 
That's almost scientific
 
user1646075
also many cabbies will take a longer route for more cost if the day is going slowly
 
sigh
I'd rather risk events like this than pay more on each trip
no idea what kind of good guy cabbies you have in your cities
 
9:21 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes wiki.php.net/rfc/php6
 
@Jefffrey A post
On the internet
 
Right
Forgot for a sec
 
@PolymorphicPotato So what. PHP7 won't solve everything. PHP6 will.
 
Not even PHP17 will solve everything.
 
@aclarke also at night
one of the drivers I went with actually complained about a customer who in turn complained about the price at night
 
9:23 AM
We should pay the taxi more if the trip was short.
 
said he's not paid enough anyway
 
Your city sucks
 
yeah Romania is a bit "famous" for that
if you go to wikitravels one of the pieces of advice is to not get on a cab from the airport
 
Saaaaaaaaaam
 
9:24 AM
Oh that happens everywhere
 
Something that solves everything would be rather nice.
 
BARTEK HIHIIIII <3
 
@PolymorphicPotato you might have realized I might be a bit angry at you for pissing over the jam idea, huh?
 
IT WAS ALL YOUR FAULT POTATO
 
9:26 AM
No, I haven't.
 
You mean that jam nobody participated in, again?
 
right
why did I bring it up
 
Because it's funny? :v
 
@PolymorphicPotato and rightly so because I can't be angry at someone that long, duh. HIIIIIIIIIIIII <3
@CatPlusPlus kinda
I am wondering when @Jefffrey is gonna present us with the week-long jam
 
Shhh
 
9:27 AM
> Taxi scams are one of the most common crimes in Bucharest, so think twice before delivering yourself to the mercy of an unknown driver. Common tricks are:
You get offered a ride for 20 lei, cheaper than a normal taxi. Once driving, it's suddenly 20 lei per kilometer.
You are driven to a remote forsaken place and have to pay up if you want to be driven to your destination.
You are promised a ride for 50 lei, which sounds pretty normal, but then 'taxes' for another 50 lei are added, and if you want a receipt it's suddenly another 50 lei.
 
I think I'm gonna participate in it after all.
 
That was going to be a surprise
 
lol visiting Romania must seem like an extreme sport to whoever reads that
 
@Jefffrey I'm making sure you feel the pressure.
 
Fuck you :D
 
9:28 AM
no second thoughts.
 
@AlexM. That sounds even worse than Prague taxis and those are legendary. :-)
 
user1646075
surely any modern phone with GPS will let you plan and track the best route now? I haven't taxi'd for a while now, but it seems the bastards can be monitored now...
 
yeah, officially some companies have implemented mobile apps and stuff to manage drivers
but I'm not sure how well they work
 
user1646075
need an app that fires microwaves into their brain if they go off the best route
 
anyway, cab drivers in Bucharest are very friendly and open to route suggestions if they notice you're a local
buut... I'm actually Romanian and in the week I spent in Bucharest I had to concentrate a bit to not seem foreign
so it must be near-impossible for a tourist from outside the country
 
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9:33 AM
also an app that helps you bargain in marketplaces in countries where the locals get the real price
 
user1646075
... by firing a microwave into the brain of...
 
> Do you have friends, family members, teachers, youth ministers, or coaches you can talk to when everything's kind of shitty? Because, statistically speaking, they're the ones who are actually going to listen to you (rather than the howling toilet vortex we know as the Internet) src
 
@aclarke We get it, you just want to fire microwaves at people.
 
user1646075
it's fun!
 
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and into the engines of people tail-gating
 
9:36 AM
@CatPlusPlus I was being silly ¬_¬
 
Yes, no doubt
 
> Blind man acquitted in fatal shooting gets guns back Oh America
 
what's the story with discrap emailing things @cat?
 
I mean, that could be so legit, but it sure does sound a little strange
 
America Fuck Yeah!
 
9:37 AM
Emails are disabled for now, because my Exim config sucks
 
(Sorry, couldn't remember rest of the theme)
 
@Xarn meh, I do that all the time since as long as I remember. It's kinda hard not to, unless I resort to wearing an exo-skeleton acting as a Faraday cage, really
 
Hell I might get rid of it and just go with Mandrill or something
 
user1646075
That "stand your ground law" sounds like a real winner.
 
Meh, that's the least terrible of them.
 
9:40 AM
am I the only one here who's paranoid about bugs?
like, no matter how tested something is
 
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"oh, someone tried to attack me, and i pointed the gun, but they started advancing, and I was SOOO EMBARRASSED to have to take a step back, so I shot him."
 
@CatPlusPlus ಠ_ಠ I'm glad they are not facing away when I googled that.
 
when it's shipped I live in constant fear that problems will occur
 
@aclarke That's not it.
 
@AlexM. Learn to see problems as job insurance instead of your failures. :-D
 
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9:41 AM
@AlexM. not any more, you get immune...
 
and when I hear back that things work I'm like "shit, I'm sure it will fail sooner or later"
 
user1646075
@R.MartinhoFernandes how does that law work then? I thought it was against counter-intimitation like with a gun or big stick
 
@AlexM. Because it's true
 
You are not required to leave your home if it is attacked.
You can "stand your ground".
 
user1646075
ohhhh
 
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9:43 AM
just read it
 
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AND other places you are legitimately permitted to be
 
user1646075
so extending the existing laws to the Walmart car park etc
 
user3010322
._.
 
user3010322
Who knew not wanting to have a password was so goddamn complex in Linux.
 
user1646075
I so want to visit 'murrecah
 
9:44 AM
@aclarke That's only in some states.
 
user1646075
31 from my bad count
 
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@ThePhD that's from the GUI tools that - as usual for gui systems, assume you're too stupid to handle teh freedoms
 
user1646075
off the command line it's trivial
 
Ell
Does someone mind helping me on a simple maths question about derivatives and limits?
 
9:47 AM
Honestly, the really ridiculous thing from that piece of news is the fact that a blind man is allowed to own a gun and ammunition.
 
Ell
I have a set of statements and I'm not sure if it's true. an a popped out of nowhere
ah wait.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Maybe he is the Daredevil.
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes even a blind man can be part of a well-regulated militia
 
@Xarn that sounds like a good idea, but I have no idea what you mean :D
 
@Xarn He doesn't use firearms, does he?
 
9:48 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes why would he not be allowed to own a gun and ammunition? It's Murica
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, the comic version doesn't, but in real life America, of course he would.
 
user1646075
yeah, he might have to stand his ground against a deaf man with one leg, who carries a chain gun
 
:-D
 
@ThePhD it's almost like having a password is really good idea.
 
Passwords are a bad idea
 
9:50 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes "constitution"
 
user1646075
@sehe one password and ssh
 
@aclarke I do like that law, in principle.
 
IMO any self-defense argument for guns is void if you don't know how or are not able to handle a gun.
 
user3010322
@thecoshman For my throwaway machine, it's really not a good idea. ._.
 
Hi guys. I am developing a set of classes using the factory pattern. I have a base class, which I derive from. The problem I am having is the derived classes can be constructed outside of the factory. Can anybody explain how I can get around this?
 
9:51 AM
@Asheh learn to program
 
Being blind definitely counts as "not able", because you cannot shoot unless you can tell with certainty where the bullet will end.
 
s/embarassed/threatened/
In other countries (NL, e.g.) people get "routinely" (not really, but often enough) prosecuted for hurting a burglar. And yes, it's good to codify self-defense special cases in one's own home. IMO
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you seem to be applying rational thought to this..
 
thecoshman... ?
 
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@thecoshman "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"
 
9:52 AM
@Asheh go away and learn aboutprogramming.
 
What is your problem?
 
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i don't understand how Granpaw is part of a well-regulated militia
 
I have been programming for a very long time
 
> Now make a directory called “tutorial”.
 
@thecoshman Gee, clam down.
 
9:53 AM
You cannot tell me what to do!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes In his defense, he was a former marine, so we could "assume" some competence/responsibility. (Then again, he was accused of shooting at a relative a few years earlier).
 
@Asheh then you have been doing it badly for a long time.
 
@Asheh private constructor and friendship.
 
@PolymorphicPotato Oh sure we can. "Go wash your armpits"
 
thecoshm, I am sorry that you are a sad, failed programmer with no social skills :(
 
9:53 AM
@thecoshman Huh. Can you calm down?
 
@sehe No we can't assume that.
 
user3010322
Unconstructable types bother me so, so much.
 
user1646075
@sehe yeah, that sort of crap pisses me off. I reserve the right, if I can be brave enough to do it, to throw a heavy remote control or the cat at anyone who breaks into my house
 
@Asheh lol
 
If anything, there's evidence to the contrary.
 
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9:54 AM
Some frameworks do that and it drives me up the wall.
 
@Polymorph - Yes thats what I have done actually.
 
@Asheh And maybe you could try to not engage. This is the internet, and sadness occurs.
 
Competence and responsibility would mean following that rule to the letter.
 
class A { private: A() = default; friend A factory(); };
A factory() {
    return A();
}
 
I am calm
 
9:54 AM
~~~patterns~~~~
 
Ell
@aclarke They haven't had a free state in a long time
 
@ThePhD Feel ya.
 
Don't do that it's dumb
 
Can't see where the bullet ends? Can't shoot.
 
Polymorphic, so I already have this kind of setup. The problem is, the derived classes can also have constructors/destructor's. So once I add them in, they can be constructed
 
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9:55 AM
@Asheh Cosh, he's SOOO got your number in 30 seconds flat!
 
@Asheh Make them private.
 
Don't make them private
 
(The constructors, not the destructors.)
 
Don't fucking do this dumb shit
god
You're destroying testability for no goddamn reason
 
They are protected, otherwise the derived classes cannot construct
 
9:56 AM
I'm not all that good at C++, but I would make the object ctor take the factory as a parameter?
 
No don't do that either
 
Thats an option Martin
 
@aclarke Me too. Including the "brave enough" part. I find myself to be a lot braver when my kids are involved, though, so I don't rule out any self-surprising heroics in tight situation
 
Friends can access protected members.
 
I'd just... not care.
 
9:56 AM
Lol, I forgot how opinionated C++ programmers are!
 
:cripes:
Yeah w/e can we set that discussion on fire
 
Has anyone looked at the cppcon presentation slides yet?
 
I checked out ubisoft's
saw a lot of singletons
 
"OMG someone can use the constructor to construct my class!"
 
Unfathomable
 
9:57 AM
I liked some (might be just opening the ubisoft's one) and some just make me facepalm.
 
and SomeClass a = ubiNew(SomeClass, params here);
 
Like the Mars one
 
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@PolymorphicPotato friends don't let friends use private constructors ?
 
@thecoshman In that case, can you pretend to be a bit apathetic, even? You know, just to humor others
 
9:58 AM
Friends don't let friends design ~~patterns~~ turds
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We didn't have console so we forbid using iostreams. So the important thing in C++ coding is to forbid iostream !111!!1.
Ugh
Sooo dumb.
 
@Asheh Oops. Really. So, you never talk to programmers. Hint. It's not just c++ folks.
Also, there's a good reason why C++ programmers might be more opinionated (the others don't survive because the language is effectively a swamp and anyone without firm footing/speed is just dead in the water)
And then I'm not even talking about the mines.
 
Everything is mine
 

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