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5:00 PM
@FredOverflow yes, that was the one I was doing yesterday; I saw you solved it too
@RMartinhoFernandes didn't even ask me any tech questions
 
So what kind of questions were you asked?
 
they said I was good enough as a programmer to work there
 
just what I want to do, and what i expect of the company etc
 
Als
@TonyTheTiger: ows, Saw you in action on SO it seems :P
 
5:00 PM
@TonyTheTiger How did they know?
 
and then showed me all the stuff they make, introduced me to coworkers
@FredOverflow my CV
 
Als
@TonyTheTiger: Oh btw, I don't know when you messaged me on the Messenger, I just saw it today and here it is for ya ideone.com/Y54kT
 
seems that was good enough for them to judge
 
@TonyTheTiger Really? I always thought programmer interviews involved at least a small amount of programming.
 
Mine didn't.
 
5:01 PM
@FredOverflow that's what I thought, but seems this one wasn't
unlike the first one
 
Als
@TonyTheTiger: Did you ask what kind of work or assignments you were to work on?
 
@Als oh thx, can't remember what I asked though
 
@FredOverflow Sometimes, definitely not always.
 
@Als yea creating software that controls those automated vehicles and then install it on the vehicles, test it etc
so it would be both hardware and software
 
Like, "What's wrong with p[strlen(p)] = 0;?"? :-)
 
5:03 PM
dude,
 
Als
@TonyTheTiger: Technologies?
 
my name on the fucking chat
 
Delete that Als.
 
can you delete it pls
lol
thx
 
Als
@TonyTheTiger: Oops copy pasted.
and it got pasted :( sorry
 
5:04 PM
@Als C and some language they pasted on top of that
then they're gonna move to C++
in the future
 
Als
@TonyTheTiger: uh hope not like C++03 to c++11
 
So, the C++ ecosystem will be clean.
 
they also do .NET stuff, if I ever wanted something different
 
Except there will be an existing C-and-something ecosystem.
 
5:05 PM
C with claaasseeeess.
 
Als
@RMartinhoFernandes: I am not sure, When co's move on from c to c++, they want to reuse most of the stuff and then what is left is procedural c++
yaa
 
@Als no worries :)
 
So, if anyone wants to know, Tony's last name is Tiger.
 
Als
@RMartinhoFernandes: hehe
@RMartinhoFernandes: No dude its Hefner !
 
5:09 PM
I thought his last name was Frosties?
 
Als
@FredOverflow: I thought he had no last name and had only first name Mr. I-Like-Sex
:P
 
That's a bit tautological, isn't it.
Or maybe redundant would be a better word.
 
Als
@CatPlusPlus: I can;t even read it....tau...tauto...tautological ahh finally
 
It means that it's always true.
Like "The first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club."
2
 
Als
@RMartinhoFernandes: Ah okay
Oh talking of interviews, I was once asked in an interview this Q:
How to find the address of an virtual function?
 
5:16 PM
That needs to rely on implementation-defined behavior.
 
Als
@RMartinhoFernandes: And the idiot wouldn't take that for an answer :)
 
0
Q: System-wide memory usage cap in OS X?

JohnI have certain memory-hog applications, courtesy of Apple, which routinely occupy most of the available RAM and hang the entire system when the virtual memory page-swapping starts. So, rather than rely on Apple eventually fixing its bugs (I might be waiting for some time), I'm looking for a way...

WTF?
 
By looking into virtual phone book.
Why WTF? Restricting memory usage isn't that uncommon, it could be done with ulimit in Linux, dunno about OSX.
 
How would that solve reduce swapping?
 
It'd report OOM condition to the app before the available RAM exhausts.
 
5:24 PM
Oh crash it then.
 
It'd probably die if poorly written, but oh well.
 
It is poorly written.
Well, if it were me, I'd just ditch the thing.
 
0
Q: Is there any virtualenv like tool for c++ out there?

thamurathI have found a problem with the test environment in a c++ problem. We have a machine which downloads the code from the version control system and, build it and execute the unit test, nothing new. The problem arise when we add a new dependency in our project. We are developing a lot of features ...

this is rather vague
 
Ok, with 3 votes for migration and 2 votes for off-topic, the question got closed as off-topic, no migration.
Well done.
In other news, I'm debugging yet another NullReferenceException. Why, oh why did anyone think that was a good idea. And why, oh why are .NET and Java programmers so negligent about it.
 
Als
int a=8,b=9,c;
c=a+++b;
evaluates to a++ +b in C as well as C++.
In C due to maximal munch strategy.
In C++ due to same?
 
5:32 PM
Yes. Maximal munch is what used wreak havoc in nested templates (>>).
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Blame Tony Hoare.
 
It was @Tony! Oh my.
 
So there is an uninitialized variable, so null, so boom! The bug I'm tracking down is effectively nowhere. I don't know where the hell it is because I need to understand the entire path this thing takes through the program to know where it should be initialized and to what. I think I'm gonna call it a day.
 
Eat up the error silently and whistle.
 
5:42 PM
Yeah, I can see someone applied that solution in some other parts of the code already :(
 
Als
lol
 
See, it's a convention now. Don't break conventions.
 
hahah
 
Als
okay I am going to call it in early today, good day guys
bye for now
 
5:44 PM
Bye.
 
When was #pragma GCC diagnostic added? Before or after 4.5?
Argh, would it kill them to add "added in X.X.X" notes in the feature docs.
 
probably kill em, thats why they didn't add it :P
 
Eh, so GCC diagnostic ignored/error/warning "..." is in 4.5, but GCC diagnostic push/pop isn't.
That's not too nice.
Yay, both buildbots are green. Nice view after few months of half-broken stuff.
 
6:07 PM
1. Obtain someone's Powerpoint presentation 2. Insert this as a slide at a random point: http://t.co/1hmCOCt 3. Save 4. Enjoy the show
 
@RMartinhoFernandes lol
give it up BSOD :P
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger That's a good one.
 
LOL :P
I wonder how to make these GIF thingy's?
 
GIF making software?
:P
 
6:19 PM
damn it, didn't think that far. :P
stopped thinking now I'm done with my interviews, lulz
 
You get a video, export some frames into images, import images to e.g. GIMP, save as gif, train monkeys to joust, PROFIT.
 
woot :)
 
sbi
Scott Meyers, in his slides, always has a random picture of his dog, or some other funny one.
So, in the middle of his presentation, when he switches from one subject to another one, amidst all the code he had thrown at you for two hours, you suddenly find yourself staring confused at a picture of a dog in a funny pose. At which point he says "Oh, yeah, right, I forgot, this is a picture of my dog, which I put in so you can't accuse me of bombarding you with code for hours without a break", and then immediately switches to the next slide of code...
 
Learn VIM progressively Funnily enough I've used VIM, meh
@sbi seen him do that in one of the vids I've watched of his presentations :)
 
I use vim by mostly disregarding modality.
It's in insert 95% of the time.
(Also using hjkl is crazy.)
 
6:27 PM
lol
 
@CatPlusPlus I'm crazy then :)
@TonyTheTiger Woot! I'm at the superpowers level!
lol at the highest voted comment.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes hehe, I'm at noob level :P
sex :P
 
I'm a bit annoyed that CTRL+arrow works a bit differently than it did in Intype.
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger Yeah, I bet, I think he never misses that opportunity to make people laugh. Well, make that: He never misses any opportunity to make people laugh. :)
 
Sometimes jumps too far. :.
 
sbi
6:30 PM
(I think his dog's name is Darla. I now feel a bit bad for having forgotten that.)
 
@sbi hehe :)
lol
 
Seal of approval.
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger When Scott told me he and Andrei Alexandrescu put together an article, I was excited, because they both write so good articles, which are enjoying to read, and I expected that to multiply when they combine. When he sent the draft to me for proof-reading, I had very little technical complaints (most of it was way over my head), but I did complain about the article being much, much duller than either one's funniness (if that's a word) made me expect. It didn't multiply, it subtracted.
 
hmmm
interesting that, maybe something funny wasn't appropriate in that article?
I don't know, just guessing
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger No, he said he knew what I meant, and he had expected more of that, too. Maybe with their C++ & Beyond sessions they got to know each other better by now, and if they should ever collaborate again, it would turn out much more fun to read. I dunno.
 
6:41 PM
possibly yeah
 
7:06 PM
folks
 
7:18 PM
Lol I got downvote.
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A: C++11 Compiler: Closest to the standard and how close?

Cat Plus PlusThere's a support matrix on the Apache wiki.

On this.
 
Also ugh, copying one large file brings entire OS to its knees.
I feel I should invest in SSD on eSATA.
 
@CatPlusPlus People are lulzy.
 
Huh, OSX default filesystem is case-insensitive?
Well, by default. Anyway.
 
7:38 PM
'Ello
 
Hi. How's the course? Bad, tragic, OMFGTERRIBLE?
 
@CatPlusPlus Cancelled for today, all classes before 4 were cancelled today because of that rainy Apple product, iRene. All of my classes were before four.
 
So, actually good.
 
Heh, I guess.
 
@CatPlusPlus It's convenient if you're used to it.
 
7:43 PM
Irene's still raging at your location? Where are you?
 
@EtiennedeMartel No, it's not. NY, but public transit was not running as of last night (now it's slowly getting back to speed) and so they cancelled day classes for today.
 
Why the fuck does bind resolve to std::bind when I have using namespace boost::phoenix??
 
boost::phoenix::bind does the right thing.
 
@LucDanton I would expect a compiler error instead.
Is there a way to alias a function name in C++?
Inline wrapper function is only thing I can think of ...
 
7:51 PM
Macro.
 
auto&& new_name = name; works assuming a non-overloaded name.
That's not a function but a reference used as an alias obviously.
 
Oooh, I just realized. I have a few C++ books here.
C++ Strategies and Tactics
Effective C++
More Effective C++
(Addison Wesley)
 
@CatPlusPlus I thought of that but was afraid of saying it publicly.
@LucDanton That's interesting.
 
@LucDanton Why the two & ?
 
Okay, could someone tell me why OSX scrolls the list up when I turn the mousewheel down?
It's weird.
 
8:06 PM
can I ask general questions here or is this room only for C++?
 
If we don't like the question, we'll throw bananas at you.
2
 
good, I could use the vitamin C
I'm still having this problem:
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Q: embedded Flash object gives status 500 (forbidden) error

yourfriendzakThis is really frusterating me. I'm using Google App Engine on my local drive and my embedded flash object doesn't load, instead giving me a status 500 forbidden error in the console. The directory the swf file is in, "/vfx", is correctly defined in app.yaml and all my other resources (images, ...

can you direct me to the appropriate chat room?
 
@CatPlusPlus Isn't that the same behavior as Windows?
 
@StackedCrooked I don't recall seeing anything like that.
It's always scroll in the direction of the wheel.
 
If you press the up arrow button in this chat page then its contents moves down.
 
8:10 PM
Well, I do ↓ and it goes ↑.
 
Same with scroll wheel.
Scroll up => text goes down.
Isn't this the normal behavior?
 
By scroll down I mean turn towards me.
Or maybe it's VM weirdness.
 
Ok, so scroll down (move mouse wheel towards me) => text goes up. Isn't this normal?
 
Oh, there's an option for that.
Good.
 
@CatPlusPlus It does that when I downvote too.
 
8:16 PM
Downpoo.
 
Some people get high by taking downers.
There's been two jumpers in two weeks in my apartment building. Scary..
One of them was an old lady that I recently helped by fixing her tv remote control.
The other was a 16 year old guy.
 
@TonyTheTiger - How was the interview?
By the way, is Visual Studio any good for C++ coding?
 
VS is very good.
Esp for debugging.
 
Does it mangle projects so that they can't be easily compiled on other platforms?
 
Define 'easily'
 
8:30 PM
On other platforms you don't use VS project files.
 
^this
You can still get the source code files and compile as 'normal'; whatever 'normal' may be
 
On other platforms you typically use makefiles, cmake, eclipse projects, Xcode projects (OSX), etc..
 
Which can be a hassle
 
Absolutely.
 
@kbok Perfect forwarding
 
8:35 PM
I prefer to have one build system for all platforms.
 
I prefer that too. I used CMake for everything. However I recently changed back to VS for Windows builds because I like the VS debugger.
 
Cool.
 
You don't have to use VS to build to use the debugger. :P
 
SCons, I'm loving SCons.
 
On Mac OS X Lion at the moment, but I have Win7 installed too.
 
8:42 PM
VS debugger is pretty pro
 
@CatPlusPlus Can you use the VS debugger with GCC (mingw) builds?
 
Damn, I have an accepted answer of score +2 that I realized is wrong.
Something is wrong here. When I post something wrong, it gets accepted.
Others get downvotes for perfectly accurate and useful content.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes there are worse problems in this world that that :D
Just kidding.
 
This is not the first time it happens.
 
You can undo the accept?
 
8:44 PM
Problem is that this time I don't think I can edit and fix the mistakes.
 
Oh, you mean your wrong answer got accepted.
 
@StackedCrooked Yes.
 
Obviously it 'answered' their question; despite it's inaccuracies
 
Does God exist? Yes. Accepted. Oops, I meant 'No'.
 
I'm sure it might have looked like it, but it will likely bite them in the future.
It's a threading issue.
 
8:45 PM
lol
 
@StackedCrooked I meant using MSBuild/VCBuild as a build system. Though if you managed to get symbols from DWARF/STABS into PDB, it should work just fine.
 
@CatPlusPlus OK, but you have to use the VS compiler. Which is what I meant.
 
I default to using VS compiler anyway.
 
Technically I could use CMake to generate the VS projects. But it generates "strange" projects.
 
Ah, I think I salvaged it.
Phew.
 
8:53 PM
What object did your crew salvage for you?
 
Platinum chip.
 
You mean like potato chips?
 
Tip: Fallout: NV.
 
Is that any good? The last game I liked was Dragon Age Origins. I haven't found any worthwhile games since.
 
IMO it is. I've spent 42 hours on first playthrough.
 
That's nice.
 
Anyone here have that link to the updated Dev-C++ handy?
 
Sniping people's heads off is fun. Rule #1: if nobody sees you, you didn't do it.
 
Dear Microsoft, I don't want a freaking ribbon on my Windows Explorer.
 
Forget about Dev-C++ completely.
 
8:58 PM
@CatPlusPlus Emailing the Prof, answering a question I was asked, just wanted to point at that updated IDE.
 
@Moshe which ide?
 
You mean any other IDE.
 
Dev-C++
 
I posted a link a while back.
19 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Someone seems bent on bringing Dev-C++ back from the dead: http://orwellengine.blogspot.com/
 
@CatPlusPlus should I play previous Fallout games before NV?
 
8:59 PM
@CatPlusPlus No, I wanted to tell her that there's an updated version of the IDE.
 
If you want replacements, C::B, Visual Studio, Eclipse.
 
I'm still recommending Code::Blocks.
As in, not Dev-C++.
 
> When nothing is selected, the tab key now puts a tab instead of doing nothing.
Funny bugs that one has.
 

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