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3:00 AM
@chris Yep. Mine was less restrictive, probably — one TopMost form. :P
I think it was probably still possible to Ctrl+Shift+Esc, but not much else worked
Bleh, I want to go fix it now.
 
@minitech Yeah, I just did a small message in the middle saying to enter the password. My friend ended up making one that mimics the Windows lock screen.
It allowed others to switch the account by using their credentials, too.
 
I stole somebody’s password like that once
 
@minitech We already had the ability to get everyone's password, not that we needed them to use the accounts anyway :p
 
Scary.
 
One of the admins at the board had "cunt" in their password lol.
Err, not like system admin, just in the domain.
 
3:02 AM
My school’s current administrator password is “sanddollar”
 
Ours changed eventually. Let me remember.
acisacis was one.
 
Used to be “blackberry” before that
 
Th1swillchange!nTime or something was for a domain admin.
 
So why did everybody get to know that?
 
They had those in plaintext on an internal site, sadly.
And on a file server, a spreadsheet with all the admin passwords.
They had credentials to a non-interactive, unused ADMIN domain account commented out in the logon scripts (which we had access to in order to be run when we log on).
And pretty shallow in the ADMIN domain is finance data.
Ah well, the board knows about all of it now, but they won't fix it.
 
3:06 AM
Hmm.
 
We didn't do anything malicious at all except maybe trolling our one computer class a little bit.
Making the logon window move away from the cursor.
Turning their typing into leetspeak.
 
:)
 
They never lasted long.
 
Au revoir, sleeping.
 
Bye
 
3:10 AM
Bye
 
Bye
 
SLEEP IS FOR THE WEEAK
 
ER MAH GERD BREAKING BAD
 
@ThePhD Eh, you have to give in sometime.
 
Never give up, never surrender!
 
3:22 AM
Of course it's possible for some people to get 2h/day and function better than fine.
Is that close enough to none for you?
 
//better than "a == b" for floats?
bool closeEnough(const float& a, const float& b, const float& epsilon = std::numeric_limits<float>::epsilon()) {
    return (epsilon > std::abs(a - b));
}
 
@melak47 Better, but not all that great.
 
what would be great?
 
ULPs work decently well, but nothing works perfectly except a specialized class.
I'm still not that great with doing this, despite researching it.
 
I'll stick to closeEnough for this short answer then :p
gah, 5:30 AM...bed, or breaking bad...
 
3:32 AM
@melak47 I liked it when I could stay up until 4 every day.
And wake up at 7.
 
7...in the evening?
 
Nope.
It requires an hour of napping spread throughout the day, too. I hope I end up with a schedule that allows for that sometime so I can do it again.
 
I wouldn't exactly call what I have a schedule per se
 
@melak47 You don't appreciate it until you have benefits from it :p
 
what do you call it when you don't get enough sleep and as a result take involuntary naps in the afternoon, and then can't sleep until early morning again? :p
 
3:36 AM
being a programmer
 
@melak47 Inconsistency? What I was doing before now was staying up because I didn't want to go to sleep and then sleeping from like 7:30am to 2-4pm.
@melak47, Are you another of these Japanesers?
 
@chris nope. is that a thing there?
 
I noticed some in the answer you can easily find now.
@melak47 Yeah, a few of the people in here are pretty decent. I'm a noob, but I'm learning.
 
@chris ? some what?
 
@melak47 Japanese :p
 
3:41 AM
oh you mean this?
just trying to see if unicode text was working :D
 
Yeah.
I was trying to figure out what day-book could possibly mean.
 
it was supposed to mean "Did you know you know Japanese?", but once again, google translate has failed me!
 
er mah holy motherfucking shit, breaking bad.
 
no spoilers pls
 
nah
I'm off to try some sleep.
wish me luck
 
3:46 AM
good luck
 
Good luck on whatever dream you have of BB.
 
night, and good luck :p
 
4:11 AM
> The US military does not condone the killing of unarmed combatants. But this isn't real, so why should you care?
^ loading screen tip from Spec Ops: The Line.
 
Cool.
 
4:35 AM
my 101 year old grandma is gravely sick
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 That's not good :/
 
To make it worse, my mum is going over to visit, but my mum is a bit disoriented because of the news. I am not sure it is safe for her to travel when she is in such a state.
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Drive her.
 
My grandma is in Wuhan, China, my mum & I in Sydney
The best I can do is to drive her to the airport
 
4:42 AM
@Mysticial O_o
 
any one here using macports and boost?
for some reason the new update broke everything
-_-
 
5:27 AM
 
5:49 AM
That's a lot of questions
 
And not a single question mark.
It's scandalous
> Why is Mt Vesuvius there
Now that's I want to know.
> Why are there weeks
Good one.
 
lmao
 
user1804599
6:23 AM
@FredOverflow Gear is a bad language. Not as bad as PHP and Java, but still pretty bad.
 
user1804599
Although maybe if I add modules, variadic patterns, floating point literals, better string literals and better list comprehensions.
 
6:53 AM
@Borgleader in what culture does that qualify as positive advertisement though :)
 
7:30 AM
lol, reddit just taught me some German "Arschgeweih"... I think I'm of to a good start :D
 
7:42 AM
@ScottW ohhhh
Have to watch soon
 
8:06 AM
chat is a bit slow these a few days
 
8:18 AM
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Clearly, you need to post more pictures!
 
In know ... I know ... :')
 
mawning
 
Meownin'.
 
@thecoshman that's some useful vocabulary you learned there ^^
 
@ArneMertz shut up you Arshgeweih
 
Xeo
8:28 AM
Ugh, Nicol is being really unreasonable here, I think.
 
@Xeo I don't know, seems to be making a rather valid counter argument
 
@thecoshman typo and wrong usage. try again :P
 
@ArneMertz fuck it
 
Xeo
@thecoshman Eh? How so?
 
That's atypical Arschgeweih:
 
Xeo
8:37 AM
He's arguing that if you have access to a non-const container, you shouldn't be allowed to get non-const iterators from const ones.
 
@Xeo being wrong is not the same as being unreasonable
 
Xeo
I can't see how it's not. You can already get the desired functionality through other functions, aka hacks, and it's perfectly const-correct.
 
@Xeo seems reasonable to me, if the non-const container returned a const iterator, it had it's reasons, why should the user force it to be a non-const
 
Xeo
@thecoshman But you can transform it into a non-const one anyways!
auto ci = v.cbegin();
auto i = v.erase(ci, ci); // same iterator, only non-const
 
yeah, but there you are hacking your way into getting non-const access. If a library wishes to return a const iterator, and wishes that you only have a const iterator, why should it also offer a 'make-non-const' function, it defeats the idea of having const iterators in the first place.
 
Xeo
8:43 AM
No it doesn't if you can get the non-const ones anyways, IMO.
I mean, I can modify the container however I want already anyways.
 
just because you can hack your way to getting a non-const iterator, does not mean you should provide a function to do it for the user. If a container says 'sure, you can read me with this const iterator' you should respect that it is giving you const only access, what if the reason it gave you the const was because it actually gave you a const iterator to a clone of the container, so that you can read it all you want?
 
Xeo
@thecoshman The latter thing doesn't fit with the requirements of the standard.
And even if it did, I'd consider it a serious defect, as iterators from two different sequences are not comparable.
 
@Xeo true, I was thinking a little bit more general case.
 
Oooh.
Are we talking about subverting known rules?
Can we talk about union? <33
 
8:54 AM
I would rather question functions needlessly returning const_iterators on non-const containers. They should not exist and therefore neither should the need to "unconst" the const_iterators.
 
@CatPlusPlus You're no fun. :c
So, I've been forcing myself to watch Narutaru.
The whole anime doesn't make any goddamn sense.
I'm 7 episodes
 
Xeo
@Stacked: Why do you need set -x now on Coliru? :o
 
It's... really retarded, :c
This story doesn't make any sense.
The opening is more entertaining than the rest of the anime.
 
@Xeo You may remove it from your command line. I just thought that it should be chosen by the user instead of being a (hidden) default.
 
The animation is also slightly abysmal. To the point that I can easily tell all of the cheap visual chicks they're using.
 
Xeo
8:56 AM
@StackedCrooked Well, if it's not there, it does... nothing? Or is there just no output?
 
set -x is command tracing.
 
Xeo
oh
 
@Xeo It won't show the command line with '+' prefix.
 
Xeo
All's cool then
 
....
awdhwJDHAWJKDHWJKADH THIS ANIME DOESN'T MAKE ANY GODDAMN SENSE
JUMP SHIP, JUMP SHIIIIIIIIP.
 
8:59 AM
"awdhwJDHAWJKDHWJKADH" doesn't make sense, I agree
Ah Naruto. Haven't seen any of it.
 
Xeo
No, Narutaru
 
s/taru/tarded
.___.
Truly, though.
This anime jumps scenes, concepts, doesn't answer some of its own fundamental questions,
 
Xeo
Then don't watch it
 
and has voice acting and story line that doesn't deliver any of the ideas it's trying to get at in any believable, plausible fashion
Things just ~explode~ and ~happen~ and then HAND-WAVE THAT'S JUST HOW THINGS WORK RIGHT
 
9:02 AM
@Xeo I'm trying to give it a chance because someone told me it was good
... Thena gain, people told me Crank and Crank 2 were good. ._.
 
Xeo
I thought they were fun
 
@StackedCrooked and 10÷ is bullshit
 
@ThePhD someone told you it was good, but you just found out you don't share someone's taste. Surprise!
 
@Xeo They were... fun things to think about, maybe? Kind of like Napoleon Dynamite.
 
Btw, started watching Needless. It's fun and a no-brainer.
 
Xeo
9:05 AM
:)
The best part at the beginnging was the surprising ED after the first episode.
A shame though, that the anime goes off on a tangent and has a different ending from the manga
 
<_>
I'm downloading monster and watching that instead
Fuck this pile of crap
 
@sehe ... '%'?
 
(a) read the source code (b) htop does this (c) Super Usersehe 7 mins ago
@thecoshman mobile crap, the other % :)
 
@sehe the other '%'?
 
9:20 AM
the even more crap % (floating to fill 100%)
 
@sehe do you mean the '%' with an extra '0' for per-thousand?
 
... no. why ?! Also, that's promille
 
@sehe wtf? 'percent'... 'promille'? seriously?
I'm going to stop trying to understand why you used a deivison sign when a percent sign would have made more sense.
 
Seriously? Immature. Drop the smiley. — haneefmubarak 27 mins ago
:lol:
 
lol
muh professionalism.
 
9:29 AM
@thecoshman mmm. AFAICT you were the one going on about '%' with an extra '0' for per-thousand. No need to chop my head off for being surprised
12 mins ago, by sehe
@thecoshman mobile crap, the other % :)
^ it's mobile crap. nothing more to understand
 
@sehe portable poop?
 
@sehe I am shocked at you giving it the name 'PROmilli' whilst it is 'PERcent'
@sehe what other '%'?
 
@thecoshman he didn't make the word up
 
Promille is more common than permille.
 
9:32 AM
@thecoshman hahahaha. you're easily shocked. I'm appalled at you suggesting I called it that though :/
@R.MartinhoFernandes Good morning
 
@sehe It's Montag.
 
Time to work on CMSes some more
Still no idea what I'm really doing but hey
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So sehr
 
What.
I think my link rewriting logic is bad.
Mostly because it doesn't do anything.
 
9:37 AM
reminds me of the news article about an old man pretending to be a doctor and offering "free breast cancer checkup"
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hmm SFW?
 
@CatPlusPlus rolling your own, or putting up with shit?
@jalf didn't say he did
 
@sehe full ack
 
@sehe I think so. There's the word 'penis' in large letters (title), but that's all.
 
@thecoshman Migrating database from one CMS I don't know to another CMS I don't know.
And both schemas are shit.
 
9:42 AM
clearly you need to define a CMS interchange format :D
 
Woo new kind of image URL.
 
@thecoshman CMSON.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh good. Can't unread it anymore anyways
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes is that a thing already?
 
This is basically just me guessing.
 
9:43 AM
@thecoshman Oh gawd no.
Hahaha, dude that came up with yet another multimethods proposal... wants them to work only with types visible in each TU.
 
Xeo
Yeah, I saw that
 
(In)sanity levels restored.
 
Also Python in my vim broke or something, because bringing up GUndo crashes everything.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that will mash nicely with Modules then :/
 
@Xeo Sadly I can't find a short piece of insanity concentrate to tweet :S
 
9:48 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes ... I don't work with a 'product' with a similar name at all... <whistle>
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes :(
@R.MartinhoFernandes Any (rough) time / place planned for the meeting already?
 
@Xeo What meeting?
 
Xeo
Friday?
 
In case the first time you did not see this:
glad I am on a laptop, I can always just turn the screen upside down ...
 
9:53 AM
@Xeo It's in Neukölln, starting at 19.
 
Xeo
k
 
I can give you the exact address by e-mail or something if you want.
 
Xeo
Yeah, that'd be good.
Do you still have it?
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Why is this showing reddit, not stack overflow?
 
ergh... now I have to start up glass fish server to test this shit ¬_¬
 
10:01 AM
@KonradRudolph Anarchy.
 
@KonradRudolph ... try reddit.com.au
 
Congratulations on being our 1000th visitor, click here for your wildest dreams to come true! Also, acronyms.
23
 
Blurrfffygash
You're out of season, autumn mist!
 
10:22 AM
@sehe not that much. Last night the first snow has fallen in Germany for this autumn ;)
 
@Xeo Sent.
(to yourinitial.yourlastname@hotmail.de; hope that's good)
 
Xeo
Got it
 
Xeo
10:35 AM
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hey, guess who's having issues with range::start again?
 
hehe
@Xeo Ugh, _Result
 
Say, did you have a design where perhaps front would compute things due to laziness requirements?
 
@LucDanton Yes.
 
How do you feel about that?
 
10:44 AM
Bad.
 
load question, lol
 
I'm thinking of adding the requirement for saveable ranges that a save (copy, really) results in a range that must be started before using. I think it makes it easier for clients of ranges, just as easy as it is for writer of non-saveable ranges, and a tiny bit harder for saveable ranges.
Tbh I expect that last bit to mean adding a conditional for every start implementation, given that I already have optionals everywhere.
 
"all characters of the given string in their Unicode hex notation" ... "HU+00E4nde" ... So, H, n, d, and e are not characters? — R. Martinho Fernandes 1 min ago
 
Xeo
Hm... reading about that (un)currying stuff, I feel like C++ functions are kind of in a limbo - they're neither curried nor uncurried by default. One could think of them as uncurried, since they take all of their arguments at once - but since C++ has tuples on top of that, I don't think that's quite right.
 
Feckin iterators ruining my day, too.
 
10:51 AM
@LucDanton Sounds reasonable.
 
That’s some Heisenberg shit going on right now in my computer …
“not enough disk space” to install some program, until I actually observed the disk space, saw that there was enough disk space, and tried again – and then it worked
 
ITT Konrad on drugs.
 
Sometimes I get wrong result. Add print messages which show intermediate results. And then it works.
 
Xeo
sounds UB-y
 
Or build system bug.
 
Gawd!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/boris-johnson-calls-for-australians-to-be-allowed-to-work-freely-in-uk-8784699.html
I dread to think what would happen during Ashes series - there's enough violence in UK sport as it is.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Heh - 'Catblock' :)
 
rofl, but I have already worked in the UK for 3 months ... without a work visa
we were instructed (by our boss) to pretend that we were only there temporarily as tech consultants working for the Sydney office
but in reality we were working for the London office
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 I would not have thought that a 3-month visa would be that much of a problem.
 
Coffee on keyboard. Great.
 
@KonradRudolph I drink it from a cup.
 
11:14 AM
@Telkitty猫咪咪 I mean, three months working in London, being paid by an Oz company - I don't see much of an issue.
@StackedCrooked Yeah - I tried the keyboard but the pizza crumbs floated on top.
 
@StackedCrooked Wow, that’s actually a good idea! Thanks.
 
I once spilled coffee all over my desk. My headphone cable hooked into the cup handle when I picked up the headphone.
 
I once dropped my headphone ear pieces into my coffee
 
@MartinJames we were paid by the London office, it was an U.S. company
 
11:15 AM
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Ah.. OK, so cheat :)
 
I begged the cleaning lady to help clean up my desk which she did happily.
 
@StackedCrooked kinky! :x
 
Yeah she licked it.
 
@KonradRudolph You really have coffee problems. Are you implying you find Coffeescript hard? :p
 
Xeo
> and since I deem PHP's use of the code as "Good" then we comply with the license
But PHP be EVIL!
 
@StackedCrooked your cleaning lady licked 'it'? OMG omg omg ... that is so NSFW
think about kids, think about minitech!
 
I'm not sure which is the most disturbing, 'Good not Evil PHP' or the cleaning lady story.
 
obviously depends on the specific PHP script & the cleaning lady
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 he's growing up quickly
 
11:27 AM
..or an army of invading Aussies, for that matter.
 
@StackedCrooked I am not surprised when he hangs out in this lounge so often
 
@Xeo And since there’s pretty much consensus about that, PHP actually does violate the license terms.
 
@KonradRudolph Quick, shut them down!
 
@chris Much better: I tweeted it
 
@KonradRudolph How many followers do you have? :)
 
11:37 AM
Enough to start a revolution.
In a very small country.
Without military or strong police force.
 
@KonradRudolph Like the Pitcairn Islands.
 
> A birthday celebration or the arrival of a ship or yacht will involve the entire Pitcairn community in a public dinner in the Square, Adamstown. Tables are covered in a variety of foods, including fish, meat, chicken, philhi, baked rice, boiled plun (banana), breadfruit, vegetable dishes, an assortment of pies, bread, breadsticks, an array of desserts, pineapple, watermelon and more.
nice
 
error| cannot convert 'const annex::optional<int>' to 'bool' in return
||      { return front(); }
What would be your preferred fix?
 
return true;
 
Xeo
wat
@LucDanton !front().empty() or something like that?
 
11:50 AM
Okay, now assume it's std::optional<int> :p
 
Xeo
don't know the interface of std::optional on top of my head :/
 
static_cast
 
Xeo
Lemme guess - no equivalent to empty?
 
Yup.
 
@Xeo It has an explicit boolean cast operator.
 
Xeo
11:51 AM
Meh, casting feels kinda wrong
 
I don't feel like double banging though.
 
Xeo
Unary postfix ? operator would be cool.
return front()?;
return front() && true;!
 
Actually, that would be kind of cool.
 
Xeo
return front() ? true : false; feels really wrong.
 
11:52 AM
Act on optional instead of checking if it's inhabited.
 
Xeo
return front() == none;?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes cough
 
@CatPlusPlus No.
 
> The original author of the license has purposely chosen this form of license to trick open source projects into mistaking it as an open source license. He did this to prove the point that "those open source guys are entitled kids" and plays the issue for amusement http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hCimLnIsDA
 
@Xeo Well you can write return front()??! 0;
 
Xeo
11:53 AM
@KonradRudolph :/
 
I consider any check on optional not accompanied by acting on the value suspicious.
 
@Xeo I think we should make that an idiom. (actually it won’t work … need ??!??!)
 
@CatPlusPlus The range is empty iff some of its internal state is empty. What do I 'act'?
 
@KonradRudolph I don't know how well that would catch on, especially since that isn't mentioned in any book.
 
What's wrong with return bool(front()); ?
 
11:55 AM
it’s mentioned here now. That’s enough.
And don’t forget my huge Twitter following.
 
lol
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow Casting feels iffy, IMO
 
@FredOverflow function-style cast. That’s wrong.
 
You still have pointers to kill.
 
@FredOverflow What if I (erroneously) refactor front to return a pointer type?
Egad, that example doesn't work.
 
11:56 AM
lol
 
Can't think of a reinterpret_cast to bool atm.
 
@LucDanton If you care about maintenance, you shouldn't use C++ ;)
 
FWIW bool { front() } isn't a cast, although it can complain about narrowing conversions.
 
Hey derps
Derp here.
I think this comment of mine is genuinely ingeneous:
@harish013 I don't speak Makefile, sorry. I use stuff like CMake to make my life easier ;-)rubenvb 39 secs ago
 
It's awful.
 
11:58 AM
But be sure to fom your own opinion.
Sayonara, back to work I go...
 
Awful, awful pun.
 
template<typename T>
bool engaged(const std::optional<T>& o)
{
    // pick your poison:
    return static_cast<bool>(o);
    return o ? true : false;
    return !!o;
}
problem solved
 
I'd rather double-bang than that.
 
@LucDanton Who wouldn’t? But let’s not get distracted here.
 

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