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12:02 AM
@NobodyNada I am staring at the new stuff for iOS
let me know what your voting habits are
 
@Drew Oh yeah, I didn't finish that.
 
mainly, do you spend all your votes everyday. Do you want to close cv3 or let them go
it helps me to know who else to fetch
 
I usually spend 30-50 votes per day.
 
k cool
 
I have to go now; I'll be back tomorrow.
 
12:05 AM
k see ya then
 
And I vote to close questions with 3 votes, unless I don't think they need to be closed. I've gone through iOS batch 2 (the tiny one) BTW.
 
to me this in that batch is unclear or no mcve stackoverflow.com/questions/36973808
not that I code that stuff
 
 
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1:12 AM
@Serlite looking for some unity?
 
1:22 AM
u3d only 3 questions at cv3: stackoverflow.com/q/37050533 ,, and 2 others from before
otherwise clean
 
2:11 AM
I'm here
 
We have an FAQ in the upper right of this page when you have time
the short version is we collect questions that are easier to close due to close vote 3 and 4 (cv3 and cv4) and present them by tags.
That way we are better able to actually close stuff. Naturally all the questions are reviewed and voted to close or not normally. Up to you.
The batches simply have a link back to SO questions.
 
Batches arranged topically by tag?
 
yes. So you will find yours in Apple
there is an iOS batch now. somthing like batch003
you simply click View
the ones at the top may be closed.
 
iOS, OSX, Objective-C, Swift, C. I can help with all of those.
Is there a similar way to look at proposed edits sorted by tag?
For proposed edits if I don't know the subject it can be hard to make a good call about whether the edit adds value.
 
well we are close voters. I could tweak a bot to do that, but I don't have that
for iOS cv4 not in a batch right now, I have this:
I have 44 questions at cv3 and cv4 combined
 
2:19 AM
I'll try to make some headway on them. Running out of steam tonight though.
 
No problem. Any time whenever. I just updated the iOS summary.
I can refresh and re-publish anything there or any tag. Thx for stopping by
 
 
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3:24 AM
batch002 count=26 cv4 is in the beehive
Olaf, I have a few batches either produced or that I can
seeking some C close voters
 
3:44 AM
batch003 count=21 cv3 is in the beehive
 
4:04 AM
@Drew: Ok, after I had figured out what you actually asked, I finised the batch002 list. Got some closed, but unfortunately, there are quite some I already CVed, so I'm afraid you need another one for these.
 
thx. I just put up a batch003 with cv3
 
For today, I'm out of business:-), I'll check back later.
 
Thx Olaf
 
 
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6:21 AM
HI There, Good Morning...
 
greetings
I must have pinged you about C
 
Hi, yes, right
 
we are running a few close some C questions campaigns
we put together batches for various tags with close votes 3 and 4
sort of the finishing touches and focus. So close votes don't age away
were one to look at the daily summary sheets in the beehive (link above), one would see its effectiveness
 
Just a min, i'll be back..sorry....
 
6:43 AM
for instance we have:
batch003 count=21 cv3 is in the beehive
we create things like that. People go into the beehive, find their file or 2. In this case the C folder and the batch003 and click "View"
then go to the urls for the questions that just link back to SO question pages. And they review them.
That's about it. In some tags we can double the close vote rates.
 
6:58 AM
Yes, this sounds great!!!
 
A few hours ago Olaf and Nisse closed about 24 in short order
but once we hit cv3 (close vote 3) levels, we need a few more people
 
I would love to join this campaign....
Tanks for getting me involved
 
sure thing. I will add your name of people to ping every now and then. Say every two days. For now I can just put some cv3 batches up there.
We naturally have other tags. Whatever you want.
 
Right, good. :)
 
idk what to make of this stackoverflow.com/questions/36673713
dupe or not
this one is a real hot potato with deletes undeltes and closes and reopens stackoverflow.com/q/36606275
 
7:05 AM
@Drew should be closed alone for both C and c++ tags...
seriously, people who can't take their time to formulate the question properly, and the tags, there's no good reason to answer the question, and there's a high-9 possibility that what ther're asking are already answered here, they are just too lazy to search...
 
yeah. I just close this one you were on stackoverflow.com/questions/36681685
even if it can be deciphered with a spidermand decoder ring, i am happy to close it
 
@Drew Cheers!!
 
alright, so you know we are here. Will add you to the "new batches are available" ping list. Thx for stopping by Sourav
 
@Drew It's good that you got me involved, but now I have to rush for a couple of meetings, I'll come back once I get some time, probably in second half of the day....
@Drew Thank you. :)
 
my pleasure. we all do our part
 
7:38 AM
batch003 count=21 cv3 is in the beehive
 
8:28 AM
@Drew Ok, done reviewing...When's the next update?
 
9:02 AM
@SouravGhosh thx. Batch004 is up there now
the batch003 stuff you voted on are all closed now
C Typo unlikely to be of use or dupe stackoverflow.com/q/37067871
i am off to bed. it is now 5am
 
9:27 AM
good night morning, sir
 
 
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I'm through 69 and 70.
 
1:30 PM
k Morgan thx
 
@Drew: Hi! I just finished C batch 4. Just one request: Date formats differ a lot world-wide. For instance month/day can be swapped. It would be great if you'd use ISO8601 extended format, because that is unambiguous and was developed exactly for that.
 
i will check it out thx
@olaf for what, the filename? it would wrap it more often than not onto line 2
whether in google (file structure) or in the sheet cell I have tiny little regions to cram stuff in
as for the sheet itself, mA captures it. Otherwise it is off to wrapping each page to 2 pages
I already shrink the title way down, not that anyone ever reads the title
so real estate and spacing is important
@RichardSlater could you look at the 2 batches. We currently have 19 questions at cv4 (close vote 4) level
 
@Drew of course
 
@Drew: Sorry, I should have been more specific. The filenames already use the standard format. I meant the daily summary, "date" column. This should be a minor change in the template.
 
the 4's (cv4) area spread across the 2 batches and I don't want to re-publish it
 
1:43 PM
So, I finished batch 3, too (wasn't much left for me).
 
@olaf I know what you mean on that too. Take a look at the Java daily summary sheet
It grows horizontally. It would be a deal buster maybe
Unless all you mean is 8 chars total
20160525
 
Not sure I understand what you mean with "deal buster". Anyway, it was just a recommendation for a more international format (after all SO is an international site). But if that is too much trouble, Just leave it. Computers didn't burn when Y2K came either ;-)
 
sometimes I show trending. Where it started a month ago, and then every few days
I am not sure what you are suggesting. I showed above the date for May25
 
The standard format would also be fine. But I don't understand the problem. 11/12/2016 has the same number of chars as 2016-11-12
 
there is Day going horiz. There is Date going vertical. Is it the vertical one?
 
1:50 PM
May 25th (which we call 25th May) would be 25.5.2016 in my localisation for instance.
 
It is a sheet that is text plopped. I fix if for europe I break it for america
 
ISO8601 is not EU vs. US. It has exactly ben standardised by both (and a lot of other) countries/regions for that reason.
 
I can change the vertical one (if that is what we are talking about) to 2016-05-25
it is in mysql and that is the format anyway
 
Hmm, I don't see days horizontal in the daily summary. Are we talking about the same doc? Can you please provide a link to the one you mean?
 
up at the top of the Java daily summary. the thing that says Day
 
1:53 PM
Ok, not necessary, I now know what you mean.
 
over time that stretches to multiple days at the top
 
That will bust the sheet anyway soon, no matter how the date format is. Maybe a second sheet would be better.
So something like the SO rep-list which collapses after one day/week/etc.?
Yes, that might be a good idea
 
What happens looks real fuggly when ya do that with horiz excess on google
It is nice to have that el cheapo thing to dump it to for now
We are working on a live thing that is not like this anyway. A live website
so right now this is a stop gap measure just to get stuff to people
 
That's good news. Actually, the batch-sheets are a bit problematic. Maybe it's rekonq, but that works for most sites very well (and for some even better than FFox).
 
I've gone through Batch 3 and 4 and polished off the CV4's and did some of the CV3's while I was there.
 
2:01 PM
One alternative would be to have the day-name in a seperate row above the numerical date. That would not bust anything. Either way, as you say this is a transitional solution, I'd appreciate if you just keep such things in mind. We should be as international as possible&reasonable.
 
2:22 PM
@olaf I tweaked the output. @RichardSlater thx
 
@Drew: Great! Thanks a lot!
 
admittedly it was an eyesore
 
JAL
I see some new ios, I'm going to try and tackle those today
 
batch005 count=19 cv4 is in the beehive
^ for Martin James
Martin, about 3 people have looked at that re-packaged batch. Can you take a look
 
JAL
2:42 PM
Did iOS, did R, I can hit that c batch too to finish some questions off
 
I wouldn't
 
JAL
I have 31 votes left, let me know where to use them Drew
ok
 
going to make some coffee, look at c# java and Stephen's aspnetmvc.
apple squad might be coming together nicely
Duncan / Shubhank
 
JAL
sweet
you got Duncan C?
@DuncanC hey welcome! I've seen you around with some great answers, good to have an Apple power user around!
 
Shubhank pinged him. So no it was not me
 
JAL
2:49 PM
Ah interesting, very cool to have him though
 
it would be way too funny if we close 100 C today when it averages 25
 
3:12 PM
@Serlite what's your fancy today? and votes left naturally
 
Just got on, so plenty of votes to burn! C# or Unity would be cool.
 
did you see my measley comment yesterday about u3d?
14 hours ago, by Drew
u3d only 3 questions at cv3: http://stackoverflow.com/q/37050533 ,, and 2 others from before
I can look again tho. but it seemed clean by our standards. Sparkling clean
 
All right, closed up that one. Sure, it there's not much left in Unity I'd be happy to do C# or another problematic tag.
 
@JAL Thanks.
Good morning
 
I can make iOS simpler by making 1 batch that is updated
 
@drew: done
 
Looks like Richard and I closed them in tandem. =P
 
Richard is on fire
 
Ping me if you make a new Python batch. I've got a meeting in like 45, but I can take a look afterwards.
 
batch310 count=12 cv3 is in the beehive
will do @MorganThrapp thx
 
4:01 PM
On fire, and burnt all of my CVs
 
@MorganThrapp @TadhgMcDonald-Jensen batch071 count=7 cv3,4 is in the beehive
Otherwise for the unbatched yet in the system, it is clean down to cv2 land
The stack thanks your Richard
 
4:18 PM
I'm through the batch.
 
python guys let me know if you blow thru all your votes everyday and if not if you can look at other tags. Py is clean
 
I usually have a couple left at the end of the day. I can take a look at C# and Delphi.
Those are the only two I feel comfortable enough to close.
Well, or some more basic SQL questions.
 
Naturally everyone is different. I feel fine closing anything
 
I've just had times where I've misunderstood stuff as needing to be closed in tags I AM familiar with.
 
so have we all :p
 
4:47 PM
@CindyMeister can you look at the dozen questions in the VB folder of the beehive
Let JAL know if you were not on any and pushed up to cv4 so he can look at them. Otherwise we let them roomba?
oh and this one was cv4 stackoverflow.com/q/36953599
 
5:00 PM
@jal aspdotnet batch to help stephen
small, like 8 questions cv3
 
JAL
can do
 
there is only 1 barely good questions in there, the autofac one
 
JAL
yeah I'm not sure about that one
 
5:20 PM
@Serlite you a CSS kinda guy
 
5:52 PM
batch002 count=20 cv4 is in the beehive
I will go ping some CSS people
 
Sure! I'm good with CSS.
 
quite a combo you have going there. c# and css
@DanielBeck thx for stopping by
@Serlite I think that might double the daily closures, that batch and 1/2 another one
 
Hi! Got an invite, wasn't entirely sure what this is though.
Am I part of the seekrit cabal now?
 
Daniel, we produce batches of close-to-closing questions
sorry, phone call
@JAL @Serlite can you explain a little to Daniel. I gotta scoot
I will put together a cv3 CSS batch and post it tho
 
6:10 PM
All but #11 in the CSS batch is closed, that one might have been edited into a good enough state.
Hiya @DanielBeck! This is an effort by SO members to try to apply our close votes strategically, so we do a better job of closing questions rather than leaving them endlessly cycling in the review queue. (Because close votes gradually age away.)
Drew generates batches of questions that are close to closure, but often in danger of having close votes age away. We look at the questions, and apply our close votes accordingly. It really helps get a lot more close-worthy questions closed per day. =D
 
I see! I assume I came to your notice via my periodic rampages through the jQuery queue.
Looks like you're focusing mostly on languages I don't know much about, but if I can be helpful, yay. Or if I'm Doing It Wrong would be happy to hear ways to correct that
Ah, you have a CSS list -- that I can help with at least
 
Heh, pretty sure your language of choice is fine - they often keep an eye on review queues to find active reviewers for tags that we need more participants in. So I'm sure you'll get to keep working in whichever language you're strongest in. =D
 
We can produce jQeury, anything
I actually can spell that word
 
some days it feels like we could just close everything tagged jquery without too much collateral damage
 
JAL
Sorry Drew, was in a meeting. @Serlite said it best, we just try to keep SO clean and help user's close votes actually make a difference
 
6:20 PM
So the idea is go through what's in those spreadsheets, vote as needed, rinse and repeat? Any more to it than that?
 
JAL
That's pretty much it! At least until the Close Vote queue is fixed, this is the most efficient way of finding low-quality questions worth closing, and those worth salvaging
I float in between here and the SO Close Vote Reviewers chatroom
They tackle specific tags in the queue, where in here we have groups of people working on batches of general tags
 
Cool! Happy to pitch in.
 
JAL
Thank you! Always good to have more users working to close js questions
 
There's no shortage, to be sure
 
JAL
Hey @Olaf
yes
 
6:25 PM
@Serlite: What was that about CVs aging away? Does that mean they are removed after some time? Wouldn't the other way 'round be the correct strategy?
 
they age off 1 cv per day after 14 days or 100 views whichever happens first
so the view count is almost never the issue. In the sheets, when mA hits 21000 ... problems
that is about the minute count for 14 days. 21000
 
Phew ... I really thought there was some more intelligent algorithm not to pile such questions up. (e.g. many DVs/no answers/no accepted answer/etc.)
(Sorry, guys, I sometimes follow the chat without actively logging in. I'm of little use the next hours anyway - spent all almost all CVs to the batches today:-)
@Drew: Sorry, mA is milli-Ampere for me. What is it here? (And is there some documentation about that behaviour or would I have to dig in some PHP or whatever code?
 
it is just a shortener for a column name boss
i'm a c# developer not a php one
@DanielBeck jQuery added to the hive. New batch
 
6:43 PM
That was fast
 
@Drew: Sorry, didn't want to offend ;-) actually I meant the SE websites and their algorithms. No idea which language they use, PHP was just a rough guess, could also be Python or C# or Ada.
 
6:55 PM
well it is a microsoft shop
we get from them your standard iso thingies and unix timestamp epoch time
as for me I like the jvm but use scala. And then c# and c++
did msft sql server for like a dozen years. Then jumped over to the lamp stack 8 to 10 years ago
 
JAL
Damn Drew you're a pro
I'm 2 years out of school and can't write a database handle
that's why people hate mobile devs, they're dumb
 
@Drew: I somewhat know most of the tools you mention just from hearsay (except c++, of course). But feel free to ask any question about enigneering and embedded systems, including C and many about my swiss army knife on the desktop: Python
 
7:17 PM
we will have to add you to our python sheet at the bottom. If you want
i have to scoot for a bit. Thx guys for all your help
 
@Drew: Thanks, but I'll just have a peek into it from time to time if you don't mind. Already did one batch actually.
 
@drew OK, better late than never :-) I've looked at (and closed) the cv4 link you provided. Am now off to the beehive (I think I've got the link saved...)
Oh, and I don't understand what you're trying to say with "Let JAL know if you were not on any and pushed up to cv4 so he can look at them. Otherwise we let them roomba? "
 
7:46 PM
OK, did it - some real humdingers in there. And while I was at it I also wen through the C# list and closed a few of those.
@JAL According to Drew, I'm supposed to "Let JAL know if you were not on any and pushed up to cv4 so he can look at them. Otherwise we let them roomba? ". I did go through the VB-list in the beehive and there are a number that my vote has nicked up from 3 to 4...
 
8:03 PM
@CindyMeister "not on any" meant you did not have a cv on a few (and subsequently vtc) so that JAL would know some 3's went up to 4 and he ought to take a look.
Unless the Roomba bot was confusing. Not sure.
 
Still not following what you're saying, but definitely did push some 3's to 4... And believe it or not, "roomba" is a term that's still not clear to me :-)
 
Roomba is a bot that runs at SE that auto clobbers abandoned questions and other things. stackoverflow.com/help/roomba
 
JAL
I'm out of votes but I can look at some c# later
 
@JAL There's nothing much left on the C# list. Quite a few of those were already closed and my vote closed a lot of what was left. Most of the VB.NET list was only at 3 when I went through, so now at 4 (unless others have picked them up from the Review Queue).
 
JAL
Ok, I'll do another pass as soon as my votes refresh
thank you
 
8:10 PM
JAL and I try to go thru and help out people in their tags in this room that help us out. Like you and Stephen in asp.net-mvc . Stuff that can't get up there to close.
 
@Drew Thanks for the link. Learn something new every day... (Sometimes every hour!)
@Drew Appreciate it :-) I think most of the tags I "work" in (answer questions) don't get "cleaned" regularly...
 
JAL
Yeah I try to focus on Apple where my expertise is but I'll go in an clean up any tag that needs help
 

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