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12:05 AM
batch307 count=20 cv3 is in the beehive
 
 
1 hour later…
JAL
1:06 AM
Went through all of the apple tags, need another user or two to finish those up. There's some overlap too'
@Drew I'll hit Java and C#
 
@JAL take a look at the aspnetmvc for Stephen. He helps us out all the time. See socvr comment
 
JAL
sure
 
I am yet to look at it but burn out atm
 
JAL
we going to try and do some sass/css batches after java/c# in solidarity with cimmanon?
ok no prob, going to log off soon, but i figured i'd do a few before bed
 
JAL
1:11 AM
Thanks Drew :)
 
hopefully you guys boot me someday :p
 
JAL
Ha, hopefully not too soon!
 
JAL
1:22 AM
done with asp
I've got 13 votes left. java or c#?
 
how about R tomorrow morn when ya wake up
perfect # for that neglected thing
people seem reluctant to cv stuff if they are staring at cv3. We prepare the batch and come right after them to close. Drives me a little batty
We could use the python peeps to step up
Doesn't matter what language ya code in. A lot of this stuff is just flat out crap
 
JAL
2:02 AM
yeah that's odd about cv3. maybe they think that someone else will just come in and vtc
Ok, I'll hit R tomorrow
 
 
1 hour later…
3:06 AM
@sᴜʀᴇsʜᴀᴛᴛᴀ we have batch237 count=17 cv3,4 is in the beehive
if you are available for review. Hope all is well.
 
3:34 AM
hola
 
greetings
 
Ever play with Sonic Pi?
 
no maam
 
maam?
Go check it out: sonic-pi.net
 
it's late I can't spell
 
I will in a sec ! So you have soft skill too eh?
 
yep :)
 
I like it up until 0:19
Then I think it falls apart
I like the high blippy noise
 
Yeah, it was only 15-20 lines of code to make that... the whole session was only 20 minutes.
 
this thing soundcloud.com/mehackit/corey-l-recording is good around 0:10 for a few seconds if you could blend it in and fade out that dot noise over time
 
 
2 hours later…
5:30 AM
batch069 count=18 cv4 is in the beehive
 
 
1 hour later…
6:51 AM
batch002 count=14 cv4 is in the beehive
 
7:02 AM
batch003 count=19 cv3 is in the beehive
@NitinGohel @Shubhank iOS batches above
 
?
what does it mean
 
I take it JAL didn't give you a walk thru
 
thanks, will try to go through it tomorrow
 
we produce batches that sit at close vote 3 or 4
 
7:57 AM
hi
 
 
3 hours later…
Sam
11:17 AM
@PetterFriberg So is this the repo we'll be using for the bot?
(Probably best to move here)
 
this was not the idea
 
Sam
k
 
@Sam yeah sure
it was only me trying to get some feet on the ground
 
Sam
Sure
Just some basic specs for the bot, right?
 
I have no expereince in bots, you do as you like
yeah some inititall ides of what we spook yesterday... something to start with
 
Sam
11:19 AM
Ok
Objective two sounds interesting.
 
Yeah and remember shog9 is very interested in this
he always says that the biggest problem are dupes
 
Sam
That might give me a chance to try out my dupe algo.
 
well in this case it would probably search in api question with 1 closevote and in comment possibile dupe...
then we could add notification to users, but I did not go so far now...
 
Sam
Yeah, well it's just a thought anyways
 
sure!, I was trying to stay "simple" for now only using that api..
@Gothdo, join if you like
 
Sam
11:25 AM
Well the specs look good enough
I could start working on the basic framework for the bot.
 
@Sam it sure would be nice like a beta implementation for hammers to register to : )
 
Sam
:)
 
@Sam, lets see also what @Drew has in mind... I was trying to summarize also his ideas.
 
Sam
k
 
@Gothdo was more into an Web UI, but nothing precludes also a web ui, the nice think with a bot is that it's interactive, generates traffic, public on SO and you can ping users : )
people have fun with bots : )
 
Sam
11:30 AM
Yeah
 
posting link to idea also here: github.com/jdd-software/beehive
 
11:44 AM
@PetterFriberg With a bot you are unnecessarily spamming the chatroom.
 
well we have a chatroom just for the fun of the bot...
 
And UI is definitely more interactive than a bot.
 
it will not be in SOCVR but in a specific room and if other room want it they need to pay : )
@Gothdo I agree and I like it, if you are up to it look into it.
I think they can work together...
 
Sam
We could just develop/tweak our algos via the bot then port them to an actual site.
 
I think in the end we should have both as smokey, that's maximum..
The main problem is only who does what?. if Sam is up for developing framework for bot, then thats' is done. For web ui are you up for lead developing it @Gothdo and what do you need?
(need to run and eat, will be back) afk
 
11:50 AM
I need to know how it should work.
BTW, are you running and eating at the same time?
 
Sam
@PetterFriberg I can develop the bot + algos.
I'm pretty much useless anything web-wise.
 
12:49 PM
I have added a notification part in the github
 
> dublicate algoritm
> resgister user
 
: ), thats a sammy thing...
 
Someone is drunk here.
 
: ), I'm the king of typo
as I see it they need to work towards same database
the first step of the web ui would be to display statistics (user, tag ecc)
the second step is to implement a search interface also online (more power full), using always the SO API
 
Sam
Fixed a few typos
 
12:59 PM
great : )
we would need setup a database and define its tables on-line so both bot and web ui can access, how where (I have cash if need : )
 
Sam
IIRC @drew said Tyler had an amazon instance for DB use.
I think
 
a Amazon RDS does not seem to cost a lot...
 
1:19 PM
@Drew tell me if you like me to setup a nice mysql db on amazon (mysql ok with you @Gothdo and @Sam)
 
Sam
mysql should be fine
I'm personally more familiar with postgres, not that it matters
 
Lets wait until the expert steps in : )
 
Sam
Yeah
 
Sam
1:39 PM
Well so far I'm getting a 20% match on NRE dupes.
And <2% on totally unrelated posts.
 
MySQL is ok, in fact I don't know any other DBMS :D
Which language we'll be using on backend?
 
Sam
For the site?
 
Will there be different languages for the site and for the bot?
 
Sam
Well I'm writing the bot in C#.
 
And the site?
 
Sam
1:48 PM
The bot's dependencies are also in C#.
No idea
We could use ASP.Net if we wanted to stick with C#/.NET
We just need some way to communicate with the library and the site.
Hmm
 
@Gothdo That's up to you : ).. what do you need...
 
Sam
Actually, I could throw together a rest API which you could use for the site.
 
Well, I know only Node.js. I used to write in PHP but I don't know it very well and I don't like it.
 
@Sam I'm not sure there is any real communication need in the beginning
First step is displaying statistics db connection would be enough
 
Sam
@PetterFriberg For now, sure. But we'll need some way of accessing the search algo at some point.
Yeah
 
1:51 PM
For search interface on web ui, since the SO API is farily straight forward, why not go directly to that?, I do see the need to go through the bot
 
Sam
Oh right, sure.
Client-side filtering.
 
Web ui will not have the notifications part, but the report and more advanced search part..
 
Sam
Right right.
 
@PetterFriberg Why not?
 
Sam
That'll be a lot simpler then.
 
1:53 PM
of course if it would like to arrive to your dup algorithm you would need to provide an api...
@Gothdo How the heck would you ping people on SO?
 
Sam
@PetterFriberg It should be easy enough to port to JS.
 
@Sam yeah just some json result
 
We could use the Notification API.
 
aah did not know about this...
 
Well, Node.js is backend so you can't have any notifications there.
 
Sam
1:55 PM
Actually
@Gothdo Handling auth is going to be fun.
xD
 
I would worry less for now about the dup algorithm integration and notification from web ui.
 
Sam
Yeah, we can work on that later.
 
Why is auth needed?
 
Sam
For the notifs?
Wait. I don't see any methods for writing notifs to the user's inbox.
 
I don't understand, why would notifications require authentication?
 
1:59 PM
I we manage to setup and structure the database, then both of you are fairly free to work
 
Sam
facepalm Yeah... never mind me. I was thought you were talking about SE notif integration.
 
Sam goes ahead with the basic bot functionality and Gothdo with the web ui, I do not see them any direct integration needs since it easier for both to go through SO API for search and web ui does statistics and bot does chatting : )
we just need the database structure and then how data arrives does not matter
@Sam m2 : )
@Gothdo tell me if you need something else...
 
JAL
@Drew is an R batch coming up today? Or should I just hit the cv queue filtered by R?
 
Sam
Hey Jal
 
and then @Jal does a nice app for iphone : )
 
Sam
2:05 PM
lol
 
JAL
hey guys
 
I will do an R batch now. I just woke up
 
JAL
thanks Drew, good morning
 
Sam
Hiya
 
Good morning...
 
2:12 PM
I did not read all the above. But remember let's make something that works and is simple
Rob and Yvette had a little project for a dupe bot. Let's not over engineer something. And let's remember that the cvrq has a dupe filter
Let's have what we do short sweet and simple that actually gets implemented (not a giant spec that never does)
and let's give it a fun funny competitive advantage over other things that don't do it
 
have you checked out this: github.com/jdd-software/beehive that's some specifications
 
I haven't yet. Just woke up and have to get on top of things. But I will. Thx Petter
 
The key idea: get people to have there own strategy, include dupes (to also make Shog9 happy) only by using the question api
Additions, notification to bug people and ui for seeing what you have done
 
I commented in slack
 
Wait that I add you so you can edit it, whats your github user?
 
2:23 PM
created a channel for that afterall
 
JAL
So did Nitin just leave? What was up with that?
 
2:57 PM
I guess he did not like hearing how inefficient it is not to use batches
Rattled his cage or something
 
JAL
3:23 PM
meh whatever, to each their own
 
 
1 hour later…
4:24 PM
@JAL I posted R. At best do cv3 not 4. I posted to their chat room
 
JAL
Thanks, I'll check it out
 
R is now in a healthy maintenance mode. Every 2 days. Takes the burden off David being frantic on Sundays if he ever was
 
JAL
glad to hear it!
did what I could, only had a few votes left. Will hit the rest when my votes refresh
 
4:49 PM
@toskv let me know your general availability if you want
 
my general availability for tonight is very little.. I slept about 2 hours last night..
I'm about to crash ..
are there any batches in the hive?
I can check on of them before my brain completely shuts down
 
batchesss
@JAL lol
 
I'll check the C# one
no more poker on this one? :(
 
toskv you pretty familiar with how this room works right ?
 
ah.. a bit
 
4:53 PM
so i see the excel and i can open and cv it, does the sheet update itself ?
 
all I really know is that Drew is a very powerful code wizard
ah no, not from what I know
you have to ask Drew for one
 
so my job is to just open and cv things. nothing anymore right ?
 
he can build you one for a specific tag if you are interested in one
well not really
you are also supposed to think
wether or not the questions are worth closing or left open :0
also general banter is always welcome :)
but not necesarry
 
yeah, i get that. i mean other then reviewing the questions part
anything else i need to report back or do
 
I prefer corporal banter, but general banter will do too.
 
4:55 PM
well.. it's nice to let people know if a batch is "done"
so Drew can make more or just so he can move them to the archive
 
lol ok
thanks
 
if you want you can just keep the beehive open and pick up questions from it :P
Shubhank, what tags do you usually perform in?
 
first time going through the hive with iOS
 
great :)
C# batch307 seems about done
well.. it's time for me to crash..
\o fly safe
 
cya
 
5:01 PM
nite Ilie and thx. Update us on any new tags of interest if it relates to your job change
 
ios_batch002_20160505_0645.xlsx completed
 
5:29 PM
thx
iOS batches not used, avg closes/day=17 .... batches used, avg=50
we will close 60 today
 
you need more cv guys ?
Duncan tries to hang out on stack for 3-4 hours a day
hangs out in NSChat, i can send a invite
 
sure thing. thx
 
i might not be around when pops in, can i send the message across to ping you so that you can introduce it
 
5:44 PM
I will keep a look out but sure whatever. Thx.
 
6:00 PM
Dealt with! The last one I actually just did in a standard queue review. =P
 
I am putting a c# batch together. Should take like 5 minutes
 
@Drew ready and willing to help, pending 3 year old bed time ;-)
 
yeah I think I posted one of them in socvr the second you closed it
thx Richard. Been there :p
batch308 count=25 cv3 is in the beehive
@RichardSlater here is how it works. We go into the beehive. Find that above batch # in the c# folder, and click View
click View
do something like hold down your control key and open say 3 to 5 links at a time
they point back to SO normal pages. The questions are at close vote level 3. Review and decide.
Feel free to skip some, or not do this at all. All up to you
 
and commend Drew from time to time for his awesome contribution
like make him feel awkward as hell :D
 
You can see from the daily summary sheet (if you View that) ... that the finishing touches on actually closing stuff can double the amount of closings
 
6:13 PM
I'll give it a shot, thanks for the intro you wonderful person who was clearly sent to SO from a higher level of being... (that enough @Shubhank)
 
well I close vote too. The question review is harder than me doing this, but thx
 
lol
 
so only close if close worthy as normal. Heck, the questions may be great (I doubt it)
 
well some are self answered later on so i commented them to now edit the question to make it helpful to all. they were like xyz thing dont work and then in the answer explain what was the issue and how to solve it.
 
@CindyMeister thx for the garden update. Let me know if you want a tag scan
 
6:20 PM
Can I ask a question about stackoverflow.com/questions/37056526/… ? 3 reviewers have suggested it's Too Broad, personally, I feel it is off topic for SO because it's an SF question - albeit not of a high enough quality to migrate.
 
right. So, it has a good chance of showing all 5 closers as close reason of Too Broad anyway. There is a great meta or two about the topic of not wasting too many brain cells on your close reason
 
Right - so rubbish is still rubbish regardless of how it is categorized?
 
Granted, it is important to try to get it right, in general. Just saying for junk I often just go along with the crowd
If I am close voter #1 I am a bit concerned about a quality reason. Or #2. It often falls apart after that
@NobodyNada there are 2 iOS batches under Apple if inter-stressted
@RichardSlater for junk we try to let it die here too. No migrates as you say.
 
@Drew Okay! You can ping me anytime there are any.
 
Yeah - I'm inclined to go with that logic most of the time, had it been posted on SF and wasn't a duplicate I could have fixed the question and answered it. However, as it stands it's a bad question in a the wrong place.
 
6:27 PM
When you are done here check out socvr's userscripts (Tampermonkey / Greasemonkey) for posting of 1 liners into the room and other things. It is automated. Socvr has the moral compass thing going. We are sorta the wild west in here. Right @sam ?
 
@Drew OK, trying again, the system wasn't accepting my posts a minute ago...
Missed you the last few weeks. You're here now, not on SOCVR?
 
socvr has an FAQ in the upper right of the screen too. Best to start there.
 
Sam
@Drew Not really.
 
Cindy I do both. Just busy.
 
Don't need any tag scans today - almost through my cv's and it's near the end of my day...
 
Sam
6:28 PM
It's just you guys are outta our jurisdiction of management.
 
Switzerland is one of my favorite spots. And austria and Bavaria. Well, Alps I should say
 
@Drew But you know not all the country is in the alps, right :-)? At least you know the difference between Switzerland and Sweden <bg>
 
I wanted to move to the garmisch partenkirchen area. I like Wengen and the Goms and the Furka
I like to hike above the clouds
 
Once upon a time I was going to contracts 8 months of a year and then ski in the Alps for the other 4 months... somehow I found myself working as a FTE and with a wife and kids... oh well.
 
Ah, the vacation spots :-) I don't live in any of those - north of Zürich, north of the Rhein...
 
6:35 PM
wanted to name our first son Brig. That idea wasn't too popular
 
@RichardSlater Yeah, life doesn't always turn out the way we plan. @Drew Can't imagine why not, sounds like a good, strong name for a young man!
 
In English it sounds like a prison
 
@RichardSlater One of my brother's favourite films is the Jimmy Stewart one - can't remember the name - where he took on family responsibilities instead of following his dreams...
@Drew Ah, yes, of course. I read it and hear the German pronounciation. Guess it would be difficult to train folks to use that. Especially bad in primary school!
 
I named my daughter Amelia - from the proto-germanic name Amala meaning roughly worker - presumably the same root as Arbeiter.
That's my slight nod to dreams of moving to somewhere German speaking.
 
in our next life Richard
 
6:40 PM
Went through C# 308, all but 5 remain unclosed (3-4 CV each). Only one CV left, saving it for when I see a question that makes me really frustrated. =P
 
@RichardSlater Interesting. As soon as I read "Amelia" my mind added on "Earhart" - I wasn't ready for that twist. The root is totally unfamiliar to me. Amala -> Arbeiter? Hmmm.
 
thx guys. Don't forget to ping your buddies in socvr when you find frustrating questions
 
@Drew I went through some of the recent C# batch.
 
@CindyMeister I have no idea if they are actually related, but when I was researching the name it came up in a couple of places that the root of Amelia is Amal being work in Ancient German it probably only comes through in place and person names now. I'm pretty sure "Arbeit" is work in German although my knowledge of the language is limited at best and somewhat muddled with Swedish and Dutch.
 
c# 308 last one open: stackoverflow.com/q/36756645
I am killing the batch. Note, the files are always in files_archive
 
6:46 PM
@Serlite Well, all but one (at least) are closed now. I just went through the list and could only vote on one or two. Looks like ryan beat me to it :-)
 
awesome, that is much less painful that the queue
 
Yeah. I haven't reviewed too much yet today, so I had some close votes to burn.
 
I guarantee no audits too :p
 
@RichardSlater I confirm that Arbeiter is indeed worker (or laborer). I can understand Swedish, and especially Dutch, would "muddle" what's German and what is not <g>. Dutch is one of those languages, when I listen, I have the feeling I should be understanding what they're saying. (If I listen to it long enough, a couple of days, I actually do start to follow.)
Oh, but the audits are fun (if you pass)!
 
And meta posts if you don't
 
6:51 PM
@CindyMeister Dutch is a funny one for me, if I spend enough time around people speaking the language I can tune into it and at least get the gist of what is being said. German I have to work much harder on - Latin languages, on the other hand, are a mystery to me they seem to just be a jumble of vowels.
 
@RichardSlater Indeed, Dutch (from my POV, not from the Dutch POV) is an amalgamation of English and German. It's a question of accomodating the ear to the sounds and turning off the "translation facility" in my brain. With all the Dutch that fled to England in the 15-16 hundreds, the English language picked up a lot of Dutch words (which is why I said "from my POV), as well as technical knowledge (such as how to make certain types of bobbin lace).
 
Right - my daughter is demanding a book to be read, ironically she wants one of her books in German so I get a bit more practice tonight :) later all o>
 
well the USA was a dutch colony. So we have a lot of Dutch influence here
 
Off to townhall. Coming, Drew :-)?
 
sure thing
 
 
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8:03 PM
batch309 count=24 cv3 is in the beehive
^ dreadful useless questions
 
are there accessKeys for closing questions so I don't have to click so much stuff?
 
8:20 PM
1 survived, deleting b309 stackoverflow.com/q/36919758
 
@RichardSlater Yeah there is user scripts
 
thanks, I'll have a search about
 
8:36 PM
maybe only review que
 
Thanks @PetterFriberg , CloseVoteShortcuts.user.js is limited to the /review/ queue, I'll keep searching for mouse-less nirvana.
 
: )
buy a touch screen : )
 
I have a Surface Book, for the most part I still use it as a laptop - review queues are dangerous in touch mode though. More than once I have failed an audit because I fat fingered a button.
 
lol, yeah then its better to reach key-pad nirvana
 
Sam
9:04 PM
So, just did some more tweaking/refactoring and the dupe algo now finds a 22.4% similarity for dupes compared to 1.3% for unrelated posts (based on some test posts I picked).
 
Sounds nice, with that we can have a lot of fun...
 
Sam
Yep
 
9:26 PM
@TadhgMcDonald-Jensen @MorganThrapp @AndrasDeak python batches 69 and 70 need some fresh eyeballs
 
here
perfect for my last night in Germany:)
 
the other guys will pick it up. Go party
 
did we fix java, or you just gave up, or are you trying to entice us by having fun?:P
@Drew nah, we've had dinner with the colleagues until an hour ago
 
java and c# are fixed ... well c# is
 
I'm back at the guesthouse, too lazy to get to sleep yet:)
 
9:29 PM
python is very clean by comparison but BR keeps pestering me :p
 
:D
just to wash our eyes from all the java filth:P
they just don't compare visually
 
I would help more, but I would have to download Vim for Windows
 
is that difficult to do?:D
you work enough as it is, don't worry about it
you won't be able to make a change on your own
we have a saying, "one swallow can't bring summer"
 
java probably fell to pieces today. Afraid to look
 
JAL
I can hit Java tonight or tomorrow morning
 
9:34 PM
:(
 
JAL i have 12 guys in java now. see bottom of java summary sheet
there are more, but they are sleeper agents
 
I found a pretty fucked-up post in python
I mean, stupid mistake in question, apparantly awful answer by 200k+ user
 
@Drew I have checked the java batch, I guess it needs an update by know (if others review)
 
thx. I need to get back there and straighten things up
 
Sam
@AndrasDeak Nice, I'll have to remember that one.
 
9:48 PM
I think we need unlimited close votes
 
"Since what you want to do is vague" -> you shouldn't answer, but try to make OP give a proper problem statement. Otherwise you risk a future edit to the question invalidating your answer (and you perpetuate crappy asking behaviours by giving lazy askers what they need). — Andras Deak 7 secs ago
my tolerance for blood donors is less than usual
and I'm generally pissed by people like this
Anyway, I finished with 69 @Drew, most of them closed, skipped a few
I won't have time for the other one now, gotta go to sleep:)
 
yes sleep thx
plus when the others see the ping there is something finally in py for them
 
well the cv3's would be a safe bet still:P
 
10:04 PM
@PetterFriberg do you have any cv left
 
nope, moving towards bed.. I have put up some more specifications when you have time take a look and then we have another chat
 
k thx boss
we need Sam's thing first. His meeting
a sprinkle of Holy Water
 

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