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6:08 PM
Not me
@RyanTernier, without any qualification whatsoever (impossible I know) - should I take a job in BizTalk?
Or is it a pile of garbage that any developer with self-respect should avoid?
 
@TomW yes
(i.e. the answer to both of those is yes, but if you need a jerb, you need a jerb)
@RyanTernier so, 100 million rows with 10ms seek time?
 
Well, I have a jerb...just wondering whether an opportunity in sight might be a better one
 
@TomW well... two questions. 1) does the new job offer more money/responsibility/upward mobility? 2) what are you working on now?
 
1) yes 2) largely single-product, bespoke, science/engineering software for a small but very well-regarded organisation
the new place is a multinational whose name is often substituted with a rude word by people who work with them
 
@Pheonixblade9 What is upward mobility?
 
6:21 PM
@JohanLarsson I think he means opportunities for promotion and professional development
 
@TomW Yep
 
@JohanLarsson exactly what Tom said
 
infamous phrase from the 80s/early 90s before the last bust, where 'yuppies' ruled all
Young Upwardly-Mobile Professionals, apparently
I'm not old enough to remember
 
I would prefer downward reward :)
 
my Dad knew people who bought Porsches with their quarterly bonus, and he isn't a man who knows those sort of people - they were just everywhere
 
6:24 PM
I always heard yuppies/dinks (dual income no kids)
 
An employer who rewarded high quality and knowledge intead of meta-work
but that is rare
 
My app decides to burn 40 MB memory by showing a single messagebox. i.imgur.com/gquG0.png :D
 
LOL
 
respecting high quality suggests more respect for customers than they likely deserve
if a customer will abandon you for a competitor with inferior quality but a cheaper product - and they will - why bother?
 
I guess upward mobility is the smartest to go for though, higher likelihood that that pays for the Porsche
 
6:28 PM
DeMarco/Lister challenge this in Peopleware, where they question whether quality and cost are really oppositional
 
What is the best way to check if there's a "next" byte?
while (w.PeekChar() != 0) {
just doesn't work correctly :P
(if byte is 0x00, it just breaks)
 
They argue that striving for high quality actually reduces cost, or at least doesn't correspond to an increase in cost. I believe they provide evidence, but I don't recall for sure
 
@Tgys Maybe you want to check for -1?
 
@JohanLarsson quite. Would prefer to have SOME improvement in my situation
 
-1 means "non-existent"?
 
6:29 PM
spent three and a half years doing the same thing
 
@Tgys while (w.PeekChar() >= 0)
 
when I started, I wasn't a developer, I was a graduate who knew how to program
 
Returns: The next available character, or -1 if no more characters are available or the stream does not support seeking.
 
Aha, >= 0 seems cool, thanks
 
@TomW It is a sad thing that it is so hard to get paid for working hard and learning
 
6:30 PM
when I started, I wasn't a developer, I was a monkey who knew how to program
 
well, weren't we all
 
when I started, I wasn't a developer, I was a monkey who knew how to type
fixed some more
 
Seriously I keep swapping x and y when working with bitmap's LockBits etc
 
I'm just sad that my employer is on the verge of losing someone they've spent money training, AGAIN, and the portfolio will suffer AGAIN, and they still won't realise that they have to give people some options or they'll leave for somewhere who will
it's a comfortable environment for your first 2-3 years in a real job, then they have nothing to offer, you're stuck on the same thing forever
 
New job is good though, stressful at first but good
 
6:34 PM
How do I solve this problem. I am trying to send a boolean from the HTTPPOST to the controller with a value and this is not passing anything.
return RedirectToAction("Index", newPA.LastWasPublished);
MVC asp.net of course
@TomW I feel guitly.. but I am probably going to move to another company in 2-3 years
but to be fair .. I expected to be trained when I accepted the job. I would have went to another company if they didn't trqain me
 
well, I spent a while doing my best to think well of them, because none of it is intentional, none of it is malicious, much of it is constrained by the market they're in
 
that is why I want to work in a giant tech company. I dn't wanna switch jobs
 
but they haven't helped me in the slightest, not in becoming a better developer
there's the generic professional skills training, which wasn't a complete waste of time, but still not anywhere near enough
 
anyone knows how to solve my issue btw? All I am trying is to display a "your document has been published" on the page
 
@AmmarAhmed I think so, one moment
 
6:40 PM
and of course I want to happen on the next page after it reload (server side work here)
 
@AmmarAhmed public ActionResult Index must be defined to accept a boolean argument
 
it does
I tried giving it a formcollection to see if I am getting any booleans back but no luck
 
Huh?
 
public ActionResult Index( Boolean? LastWasPublished, FormCollection fm)
 
Passing a FormCollection probably won't work .... since values are POSTed through query string, it would need some sort of serialization
 
6:41 PM
I use formCollection for debugging since it would list all the items passed.
true
but I was just out of options :)
 
Also, is newPA.LastWasPublished nullable? I'm not sure how nullable types are handled over redirect, but you might try ensuring both the action parameter and the passed value are boolean primitives.
 
stupid streams
zzz
 
ok I am trying this now
Boolean? LastWasPublished = newPA.LastWasPublished;
return RedirectToAction("Index", LastWasPublished);
Index(Boolean? LastWasPublished)
 
Those are still all nullable
 
6:46 PM
Index(Boolean? LastWasPublished) has to be nullable for the first time it is loading
oh i see
 
Then try splitting it into two actions (a parameterless Index for first-load, and some other action with a bool lastWasPublished parameter for the POST)
 
I will just force it to return a true or false for testing
alright
 
Is 0 alpha totally invisible or visible?
Stupid questions ftl :P
 
Or if it's tricky to refactor into multiple actions, you might be able to use default values [ e.g. Index(bool lastWasPublished = false) ], so the value is false unless specified.
 
@Tgys Usually invisible.
 
6:49 PM
ahaa .. explains a lot XD
 
@robjb oh that is actually a smart way to do it.
thanks!
 
Np, hope that helps :)
 
... meanwhile in Javascript room...
 
o_0
 
kendall in JS room? traitor!
what is going on there anyway lol
 
6:52 PM
massive delete party
 
@AmmarAhmed What? I do probably just as much JS at work.
 
lol ;x
 
I see all the things!
 
7:05 PM
no I do
just not in this room :<
 
44 secs ago, by rlemon
Kendall sucks!
 
UGH. I removed a project from my solution, then added a new one with the same name. Now I'm trying to check in and I've got duplicates. Anyone know how to rectify this?
 
I own all the messages!
 
@Billdr check that the actual folders and files were removed from source control before adding the new project
after the delete in source control is complete, you sholdn't have problems
 
7:08 PM
They were never added in to begin with. I verified the folders were deleted.
 
Locally. The folders were never checked in.
 
so are you getting errors on check in or on project create?
and are you using TFS as source control?
 
I'm having an unproductive day
 
7:11 PM
$('.avatar img').each(function(){this.src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/f9fc3249a341a64ee2721637915cd301?s=64&d=identicon&r=PG";});
now everyone can be Kendall!!!!
 
i did it too!
 
lol
 
anything else? or will I actually have to work now
 
mmm... whole foods for lunch, so yummy :D got a sandwich and a bit of general tso's chicken and a samosa :D
Heh... love these: "HELLO AM NEW TO DEVLOP. HOW GET DATE IN MVC?" stackoverflow.com/questions/13146288/…
 
7:30 PM
please explain me a difference.

When I run a .exe installer what it does is generate the .dll of the project code and paste in the installation folder.

Now what's the difference if I build the app on VS and copy the dll in the installation folder.

Obs: in this case there was a previous version installed.. All I did was update the code with new features.
 
@rogcg usually, the .dll from an installer is a release version, whereas one built in VS is debug.
 
@Pheonixblade9 what if I build it in release mode
 
well it should be release
I'm not really sure what the question is, can you add a 2nd half to the "whats the difference between"?
 
ok.. I'll explain better..
There is a project here in company I work, the project is a service..
and there is a previous version installed in the production
now I've implemented a new feature, but nothing in database was changed, etc..
only the c#
 
@rogcg there isn't a difference, what you're describing is just two different deployment methods (installer vs xcopy)
you should be able to just copy the new assembly over the old one
restart the app, and it should work
 
7:33 PM
so I don't need to send the people in server management the installer, if I build the app in release mode and send the generated dll, and the .exe of the service, it should be fine.. right?
 
yes
same thing
 
the fact is.. if I change something in database, I mean in the SP's and tables itself, and also in c# code. If I send only the dll, it still will be fine?
 
yes, I patch our dev env all the time just like that :)
 
weid. they were sending an installation package of almost 1GB, why they didnt send only the new SP's and the dll's?
 
7:35 PM
 
probably because its okay to send the whole thing, since it just overwrites everything
 
in the package there was the installer with a bunch of stuff, before and undo scripts for database and other stuff.
 
@rlemon Your day just got better.
 
huh?
what did I miss?
 
@KendallFrey what am I looking at?
 
7:36 PM
@KyleTrauberman looks like he logged into his account
 
@rogcg probably an upgrade
 
I IS IN YOUR ACCOUNT, EARNING YOU REPS
 
sweet
 
lol wtf
 
Who needs jQuery anyway?
 
7:37 PM
@KendallFrey do you have his password?? LOL
 
HTML FTW
@rogcg lol
 
@rogcg no, he proably just used js to change the name and rep on the top bar
 
I use jQuery in the stupid chat scripts because i'm lazy and could care less to alter HTML
 
hahah
 
@KendallFrey at least you made sure you had the review tab chosen, it would have been awkward if he suddenly had access to the mod tools at 6k rep
 
7:38 PM
g2g.. see ya!
 
You're welcome.
 
he broke the rep limit!
 
@rlemon yes..
 
7:40 PM
There is no limit on answers.
 
g2g ppl. see ya!
 
I win!
 
HOW DARE YOU DEFILE OUR MESSIAH!
 
Dragonfly
That's how.
 
You can also edit a bitmap via LockBits etc right? :3
 
7:42 PM
no I win
 
lol
infinite rep points
 
no mortal can comprehend how much rep I have
stupid winforms.
stupid tableLayoutPanel
Y U SUCK SO MUCH
 
oooo u so clever but so failey at the same time
 
ikr
if you go fake, keep it realistic
 
7:45 PM
$('.user-1329798').hide();
muted
;)
setInterval(function() { $('.user-1329798').hide(); }, 1000); // you now have a one second window to be seen before you are lost to the abyss
(function(me, you) {
    me.punches(you);
    setTimeout(arguments.callee, 100);
}($('.user-829835'), $('.user-1329798')));
recursive ass-kicking
i'm so clever
 
I release need help going back to my old problem. If I have drawn a rectangle, then can I find out if it is clicked by using mouse coordinates and then take the appropriate action for the click?
 
assuming things function like Canvas does in HTML/JS then yes
 
how do you get a form to submit in JS given the name? I have document.forms[0].submit(); and it works fuine .. but I want to find the form by iit's name "editedForm"
document.forms["EditedForm"].submit(); doesn't work. same with document.editedForm...
 
well if that is in fact the name it should work
use dot notation and see if it works
document.forms.EditedForm.submit();
 
ill try that
 
7:52 PM
rofl
I think I've swapped some RGB values now, how awesome
 
@rlemon "Unable to get value of the property 'submit': object is null or undefined" :(
 
show me code
please
 
al;right
I will jsfiddle it but it won't work due to razor code
 
Hello, everyone!
I've got a question that I'm sure you can all solve in about 0.028 seconds, but is plaguing me.
Also, special hello to @rlemon! :)
 
aww i'm so loved :)
 
7:56 PM
no one ? :(
 
5 mins ago, by rlemon
assuming things function like Canvas does in HTML/JS then yes
you asked if possible. yes I believe it is
 
I am only talking about C#, Visual Basic
 
LIKE do we no longer understand similes?
 
Anyway, so I've got a form within one of those container type forms (forgive my lack of vocab today, it's been a long day). When I added a menu strip to the form, it added those items to the container's menu strip. How do I stop it from doing that?
 
@rlemon ?
 
7:58 PM
@HerNameIsEllie Do a barrel roll
 
i hate winforms
 
but i really need help
 
@Pheonixblade9: I don't think that will help. :P
 
@KendallFrey took way too long
joke is dead
@user1079641 and I said it is possible.
 
7:58 PM
I know but still a win!
 
look at how canvas does it
gives you a good start on how to do it yourself
 
@HerNameIsEllie adding how? by dragging?
is the designer just assuming you want it in a different place or is it something more than that?
 
Yeah, I dragged the menu strip to the form I wanted and typed in the options I want it to have.
 

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