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10:00 PM
I see we're talking about vacuums huh?
 
yes xD
 
The obvious choice is Dyson no question
 
[Insert image of @KendallFrey 's mom] this is what I use, she sucks really good. sometimes spits stuff out but when you go over it again with her she always gets it.
 
lol
 
I once saw a dyson on a TV channel it had such good suction it could stay on the wall
 
10:01 PM
too far? sorry.
 
Yeah that's probably not health.
*healthy
umm i am new to C# and coding in general i made a rock paper scissor console app but i have a slight issue can someone check it out for me?
 
do you have it posted somewhere?
 
Yes
 
post link
 
Just having issues with parsing
 
10:08 PM
what part of it
 
umm
When i try to parse the user input(Console.Readline()) into a Enum it works but if i were to enter a invalid value it would return rock which makes sense because it's the default value.
how do i get around this?
 
public enum Choice
{
    invalid,
    rock,
    paper,
    scissors
}
 
oh
umm
k
I knew that pffft
lol
you still there? cause i'm still having issues
the win rate stays at 0% now and it throws an exception when i enter a invalid value
 
@NETscape public enum Bool { True, False, FileNotFound }
 
i don't want a exception though
 
10:16 PM
@funTertain What do you want if the user enters "poop"?
 
i just want it to print the computer value and it will just say invalid value and you get the choice of playing again
 
hey I'm back
 
@KendallFrey public class Bool { public bool IsTrue; public bool IsFalse; }
 
I gtg to go pray man
 
@funTertain then put a loop in there to read until the input is valid
 
10:18 PM
hmm
i will try when i get back
 
user1804599
hi Candle Pray
 
@funTertain So if the parse fails, then display a message and read another line
 
while(!(Enum.TryParse(Console.ReadLine().Trim(), out choice))) -- doesn't allow you to print invalid doe
 
user1804599
Eww, side-effecting expressions as part of other expressions.
 
And don't ask me how to tell if the parse fails, because I can only tell someone to RTFM so many times in a day
 
10:21 PM
how do i kno when parse succeeds?
plz halp
 
@KendallFrey - Do you know tools I need for my car? I have a manual but never opened it.
 
"what kind of car?" "the kind with 4 wheels"
 
you need all the tools
 
@MikeAsdf - It drives, ok. we covered that but what I really need are what tools??
@NETscape - I tried that.
 
you don't need tools then
 
10:25 PM
I think I will try that, thanks
 
if that doesn't work ask @KendallFrey
usually takes about 5 pings to get his attention
 
okay but what if I want to build an airplane
 
then you use all the tools
 
@TravisJ Then use Kerbal Space Program
 
@KendallFrey - Is that browser based?
 
10:28 PM
@KendallFrey i tried to, but i wasn't able to download the file after i shut my computer down... my screen wouldn't turn on
 
sounds like I'm being put on a project that won't be shitty next, hooray
so even if I utterly fail my Google interview, I should be okay... I hope
 
@Pheonixblade9 - woohoo! don't fk it up :P
 
@TravisJ yeah. I think if I got an offer from GOOG I'd still take it :P
 
From who?
 
@NETscape Try downloading it from bringvictory.com
 
10:29 PM
google
Nordstrom sounds pretty rad, too
 
Hm, must be a local company or something
 
they have actual enforced 10% time, when I asked to move the interview to wednesday afternoon, they said "wednesday afternoons are unstructured time for our engineers, they use it to work on personal projects or learn new languages" so that's pretty cool
 
@KendallFrey okay its downloading. hopefully my screen doesn't turn off after i shut my computer down again!
 
often the 10% or 20% time just means "we're okay with you staying an extra hour or two at the office to train yourself as long as you get your 40ish hours in"
 
@Pheonixblade9 - It would be pretty awesome if you got to work at google
 
10:30 PM
@TravisJ yeah, they have an office walking distance from me
 
all i heard is 80hr weeks from GOOGlymonster
 
it'd be about a 5 minute bike ride on a nice trail
@NETscape friend of mine is a privacy manager (engineering manager) there, he says it's not that way for most teams. But I'm gonna make sure that's the case
 
@KendallFrey mom is my privacy manager. manages all my private very well.
 
Yeah if you are getting paid $150 but you work 80h/w then that is a bad tradeoff
 
apparently an ex of my best friend is a principal engineer at AMZN for networking, he's a level or two separated from Jeff B. So she's gonna see about getting me a job there possibly. Or just getting me hooked up to have coffee
@TravisJ oh, totally. I'm very up front that I don't want to work more than 45hr. Or if I do, it should be my choice to do so, and not expected of me
 
10:32 PM
@TravisJ Sadly, so many people here have that mentality
They have nothing else to do with their lives, so they become workaholics
 
@KendallFrey asses in seats for 80 hours?
 
Ouch
 
not seats
 
80h/w at $150 hour not including insurance?
 
150k salary
 
10:33 PM
meh, I produce the same amount of value if I work for 35 hours as if I work for 55 hours
 
guys like welders
 
ahh.
 
every hour of knowledge work over 30ish hours is lower quality and you just have to clean up after shitty decisions later
if you're working on actual interesting systems, that is
if you're working on legacy code monkey written systems like me, I wanna blow my brains out after more than 10hours/week of working on it :P
 
@Pheonixblade9 - I got to work on a Func<string, Dictionary<string,Tuple<int,double,List<string>>>, bool> today :)
 
I'm just concerned that I had a bad start here and it will haunt me for a long time
@TravisJ hah! that's pretty amusing... why a Tuple though?
I'd usually create a class instead of a tuple
 
10:35 PM
@Pheonixblade9 - It is only temporary storage, it is explicit, I didn't want to write a class just to hold the info.
It will only be used once.
 
I think I actually got that included in my last company's coding standard..
so create a private class? or an anonymous class?
 
It is inlined in a cshtml view
 
oo
well definitely an anon class then
anon classes are very common in cshtml views - I'd even go so far as to say that is the convention
 
This is just part of testing though really
 
also makes it easier for you or someone else to read it next time
"it is test code" is not an excuse for writing poor quality code ;)
 
10:37 PM
Poor quality? This is epic.
 
less readable is less quality in my book
 
The composure is all there. It would be less readable to track down class information or hover types in an anonymous object.
 
fun trivia question: if calculating the hash of an object that contains a string, do you need to implement your own hashing algorithm, or is the default GetHashCode() good enough?
 
Your issue is with .Item1?
 
I'd wanna know what each item in the Tuple is
plus using anonymous classes makes templating easier
 
10:40 PM
HashCodes and equivalence are situational
 
this is my opinion - it's your code ;)
@MikeAsdf I'm aware :/ it's specifically against the MSDN recommendations to use a hash code for a primary key
but BA said so, so I'm doing it
I'm off the project next week, let them figure it out when it explodes
 
hash code for primary key in a database???
 
oh yeah, baby
 
the smell of dumb
 
But it is already supposed to be unique....
 
10:42 PM
the words of the API provider: "the unique key is every field in the row"
 
Let's not talk about your old project anymore :P
 
lol
what? you don't like being as pissed off about it as I am?
 
I just don't want to make my head hurt thinking about how to deal with something that was clearly implemented wrong.
Why couldn't they just send something else with it. How the heck do they ever find anything?
I know exactly where that paper is! It is 3 feet from the door, 2 feet from the wall, 1 foot up, and in the middle of a stack of paper surrounded by a forest of paper stacks.
 
lol
@TravisJ this is consulting. Good engineering doesn't always have a place here, apparently
 
Apparently, jeez
 
10:48 PM
funny thing is, I just had a meeting with the director of recruiting and she asked me stuff like "what would make you stay here/what would make you leave" and "what is different than what you expected" and I basically told her all of this
so I'm either going to be fired or seen as management material, whoo
 
lol
 
Consulting seems like it could have drawbacks.. I could see being at like a cheap client
"What would you do here?" "I would probably just replace the battery".
"The power was actually hardwired in." "uhm, but flashlights are supposed to be portable"
"We just made one like this in each room." "have you considered batteries?"
"That sounds a little expensive."
 
this client isn't cheap, they're actually super easy to work with and very flexible
they are just... quite backwards technologically
 
hm
 
10:50 PM
we are practicing "agile development" but it's really waterfall in disguise
 
haha
 
which is fine - waterfall works fine for project based work.
 
I like waterfall for the big picture
 
agile is fantastic for maintenance of an existing product, or adding features to an existing product
 
But not so much for when each requirement needs to be implemented
 
10:51 PM
I think it's pretty terrible for a greenfield type project
right
 
@TravisJ, I think I'm just going to get this www1.macys.com/shop/product/…
 
if I was working to build an MVP, I would not use agile
once you have an MVP and you can make iterative improvements, sure
 
mvp?
@KalaJ - cool
 
minimum viable product
 
ah yeah
I gotta go early today though, be back lunes
 
10:57 PM
cya guy
 
11:07 PM
hmm
 
11:18 PM
@Pheonixblade9, if you go for nordstrom, give me some discounts ;P
 
@KalaJ hehe, all employees get 20%. Higher level employees get more. Not sure what I'd get as a software engineer
 
Nice :)
 
11:37 PM
yay, my solution worked the first time
 

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