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5:01 PM
I strongly dislike programming in javascript :\
 
@IntrepidBrit SkyNet it cometh!
 
javascript is a good programming lnaguage
 
@AnttiHaapala ohhh, i see what you are saying. Yea, I just want the world to move away from python 2. Flask is written (for Rpi) in 2.7 though :(
 
a?
just install flask from pypi
 
5:03 PM
javascript is a good language, just programming in it is masochistic. usign something else that compiles into JS is so much easier to program in
 
the problem is you do not have enough functions :P
it is like scheme, only no one built the decent stdlib
 
on mac os x, with anaconda installed, do you guys know if there's an easy way to switch between it and the system python (i.e., it's trying to load packages from its own site-packages, but i'd like to run python against the system-installed site-packages)
 
@AnttiHaapala it's good, I'm just bad at it
 
id say, it is one of the best programming languages designed in 2 weeks
 
@hanleyhansen Someone just asked another question about nested serializers, but it seems quite unrelated. stackoverflow.com/questions/25291466/…
But you're not the only one using them!
 
5:05 PM
LOL, was it really designed in 2 weeks?
 
yes
 
omg thats hilariously awesome
 
that's why it's so fuc*ed up
 
I hate JS -___-
 
that explains why it sucks doing hex and binary operations
 
5:06 PM
do you guys program in coffeescript?
 
I just do pure javascript, I should really learn CS though
 
i like CS because of its similarities to python
 
Wow - lots of delete votes today...
 
cs is actually bad :D
i did it
but it is just better to write proper funcs in javascript
 
CS? Computer science or C#? coffee script oh
 
5:09 PM
Coffeescript
 
Yeah, didn't read the previous messages.
 
I like the function syntax though :P
 
i dont know enough about the underlying javascript conversion to vouch for it
i just know i like the syntax a lot better
 
it is like it says "now you have array comprehensions"
and then says this is the js
but just use [].map
 
DSM
Has anyone used Dart?
 
5:11 PM
a talented js dev i worked with who has a pretty popular project on github loves cs and told me the conversion is actually very good, but like i said i couldnt tell you
 
@IntrepidBrit Nice video, thanks for sharing.
 
@DSM only at the pub
but I generally got three of them to be honest
 
Nice thing about working as a programmer is, if our profession ever gets automated, then self-improving algorithms will conquer the world and kill all humans. So there won't be a lot of standing around being unemployed for us.
 
@Kevin It's food for thought - certainly. I worry less about the UK just now, I worry more about the US (and then through that, the effect on the Global economy)
@Kevin For now - but as the video said, once we thought that computers couldn't play chess
 
Did you guys ever watch stuff from the AniMatrix ?
 
5:16 PM
Yeah
 
Another one of those things I never seemed to get around to watching
 
wasn't there one where the machines were slaves, only wanted equal rights, and then humans started to destroy them... so they got a bit peeved off about that
 
to attack my own argument, programming isn't one monolithic activity. Even if computers can never write cutting edge self-improving algorithms and destroy all biological life, they can still learn to write basic CRUD apps, which puts me out of work.
 
@Kevin I hope computers never replicate what I do. There'd be a lot of shoddy coding going on xD
 
@IntrepidBrit young padwan... education missing it is, education of sci-fi good in
 
5:18 PM
I am ashamed to say I haven't seen it, but I want to
 
@JonClements Yeah, and as I recall, the independent robot nation had a tremendously high productivity rate compared to coexisting human nations, which sparked a lot of hostility. So that's very relevant to this conversation.
 
I mean, when the time comes for computers to be that strong, I think we'll be pretty high tech ourselves.
Maybe even part robot ourselves. :D
 
Some of the most self-adaptive "programs" were virii... I think the "smeghead" virus basically kicked off self-re-writing code systems
@Kevin by that time - everything will be written in KevinScript - make sure there's a back door so we can escape to Mars (after you've finished the colonisation project that is - probably not a good idea until then)
 
@JonClements I think viruses are special though. They don't really care if they break anything while rampaging.
 
I think we should introduce computers to more Culture novels...
 
5:20 PM
Culture novels?
 
@Zhouster the "good" (term used loosely) do... they shouldn't be detected or cause damage
 
@Zhouster Iain M Banks' novels
 
The Iain Banks books? I've heard of them but haven't read any
 
cbg @roippi
 
cbg
 
5:22 PM
@Kevin I've read them on and off, but I made a promise to read them all in order after he died
They're absolutely cracking
Consider Phlebas, first published in 1987, is a space opera novel by Scottish writer Iain M. Banks. Written after a 1984 draft, it is the first to feature the Culture. The novel revolves around the Idiran-Culture War, and Banks plays on that theme by presenting various microcosms of that conflict. Its protagonist Bora Horza Gobuchul is actually an enemy of the Culture. Consider Phlebas is Banks's first published science fiction novel set in the Culture, and takes its title from a line in T. S. Eliot's poem The Waste Land. A subsequent Culture novel Look to Windward (2000), whose title comes from...
 
import os
import xml.etree.ElementTree as ET

tree = ET.parse('sample.xml'))
parent_map = dict((c, p) for p in tree.getiterator() for c in p)
root = tree.getroot()

rasters = ['1080p.mp4', '360p.mp4', '240p.mp4']
# find every video in bookmark tag that is not 720p and delete it from the tree
for bookmark in root.iter('bookmark'):
    for raster in rasters:
        if bookmark.attrib['href'].endswith(raster):
            parent_map[bookmark].remove(bookmark)
this code isn't deleting 360p entries; any idea why?
 
@coltonoscopy close as the duplicate of the question years ago
 
DSM
Q#1: is your if branch ever triggered?
 
@coltonoscopy make a copy of the list to iterate
i guess
 
@DSM it is being triggered because it's deleting the 1080p and 240p entries
then if i add 720p to the list it deletes only the 720p and 240p ones :o
@AnttiHaapala i saw this question: stackoverflow.com/questions/2170610/… and derived my parent map from it
 
5:32 PM
@coltonoscopy so clearly you are modifying the list you are iterating
@coltonoscopy this is about as basic as it gets
 
@AnttiHaapala you are likely correct and i am missing something obvious, i've just been having a tough time spotting it
 
you are iterating a list in foreach
and you are removing the nodes from the very same list
 
DSM
That does tend to be the usual cause of this stuff. Try replacing (c,p) with (c, list(p))`.
(Although you could make it a dictcomp instead, while you're at it.)
 
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Q: Delete item from list in Python while iterating over it

RodicI'm writing a round robin algorithm for a tournament app. When the number of players is odd, I add 'DELETE' to the list of players, but later, when I want to delete all items from schedule list that contain 'DELETE', I can't -- one is always left. Please take a look at the code -- the problem i...

 
Are we talking about the code posted just above? The only object that is explicitly a list is rasters, and nothing is ever removed from it. So I don't think "You are removing nodes from the same list you're iterating over" is accurate
 
5:35 PM
        parent_map[bookmark].remove(bookmark)
 
DSM
@Kevin: what if the p values (on which .remove is being called) aren't copies? That would probably explain things.
 
dunno whatsit it, but something is being removed from something, and the same is being iterated over
@coltonoscopy another would be to decide which elements to remove
and drop them outside that for loop
 
@IntrepidBrit those were on my to-read list forever, just finished the second one
 
I know nothing about ElementTrees, so I can't say whether removing a node while iterating over it is dangerous or not. But yeah, it's certainly something worth further investigation
A little version of sample.xml that replicates the problem would be lovely.
 
@Kevin sure let me dpaste something for you.... also @AnttiHaapala i tried implementing the following per your suggestion and it didnt seem to work (could be i misinterpreted your suggestion)
for bookmark in root.iter('bookmark'):
            removes = []
            for raster in rasters:
                if bookmark.attrib['href'].endswith(raster):
                    removes.append(bookmark)
            for remove in removes:
                parent_map[bookmark].remove(bookmark)
 
5:40 PM
ofc
take the removes outside
and remove each "remove" from removes
 
like outside the outermost foreach
 
not the bookmark :P
ofc
 
oh wait whoops
sorry
 
@intrepid of course - King's "The Wastelands" was inspired by that poem
 
@coltonoscopy also I guess you are aware that endswith can take a tuple
thus rasters = ('foo', 'bar', 'baz')
if bookmark.attrib['href'].endswith(rasters)
 
DSM
5:42 PM
@AnttiHaapala: typo on your tuple constructor there.
 
indeed
:P
 
DSM
@coltonoscopy: have you tried replacing (c, p) with (c, list(p)) to make sure it's a separate list?
 
@DSM i tried such but it seemed to not delete anything
@AnttiHaapala i was not aware! thats cool, thank you for the tip
 
I think I'm addicted to kebabs
 
@coltonoscopy I had programmed python for 10+ yrs
and this spring I decided to read through (in about 1 day) the whole stdlib docs
 
DSM
5:45 PM
... that's hard to believe. Are you trying to delete from parent_map (an object you made) or from the tree itself?
 
found quite a lot interesting things
 
I can't eat kebabs. The stick is too chewy for my taste.
 
@AnttiHaapala that's a long time! you've got 9 years on me!
i can imagine there were lots of fun finds
@DSM from the tree itself; calling parent_map[entry].remove(entry) actually pulls up the parent node from the dictionary and deletes entry from the parent
elementtree follows parent.delete(child) syntax
you probably know this already i didnt intend to sound explanatory
 
DSM
No worries (and you can never go wrong assuming I don't know something. ;-) I thought you were wondering why you weren't removing from parent_map correctly, and so were being surprised by the coupling.
If you're trying to remove from the tree, then yes, calling list will decouple parent_map from the tree (at shallow level), and so it will have no effect.
 
5:49 PM
@DSM your points relative to mine probably equate to your python skills relative to mine XD
 
@JonClements Never actually read the original poem it all stems from. Must be pretty inspiring
 
@AnttiHaapala was this what you were suggesting earlier?
 
DSM
Hmm. If I call the number written on the paper before Jon's monitor, who will I get?
 
removes = []
        # find every video that is not 720p and delete it from the tree
        for bookmark in root.iter('bookmark'):
            for raster in rasters:
                if bookmark.attrib['href'].endswith(rasters):
                    removes.append(bookmark)
        for remove in removes:
            parent_map[remove].remove(remove)
 
@davidism I'm currently going back and reading them in order this time. Makes, much, much more space. My first culture novel was "Look to Windward". I was like WHAT IS GOING ONNNNNNNNNNN
 
5:51 PM
something like that
 
The whole Dark Tower series was based on
 
doesnt delete anything now unfortunately
 
@JonClements Is that a kebab jacket?!
 
"Childe Roland to the Dark Tower Came" is a poem by English author Robert Browning, written in 1855 and first published that same year in the collection titled Men and Women. == Inspiration == The title, "Childe Roland to the Dark Tower Came", which forms the last words of the poem, is a line from William Shakespeare's play King Lear (ca. 1607). In the play, Gloucester's son, Edgar, lends credence to his disguise as Tom o' Bedlam by talking nonsense, of which this is a part: Child Rowland to the dark tower came, His word was still 'Fie, foh, and fum I smell the blood of a British man. — King Lear...
 
@JonClements fan of the dark tower series?
good books!
 
5:51 PM
@coltonoscopy massive fan - got all of em
 
so good. its been years since ive read them though
the mysticism in the first few in particular
 
I liked the first 2 or 3, then got bored, and then got a second wind in the final book.
 
haha call of duty style
or wait
borderlands
 
@Kevin Sounds like me and "The Wheel of Time"
 
@IntrepidBrit WoT also great series!
stopped at fires of heaven though need to get back into it
 
5:53 PM
Just couldn't muster up much enthusiasm for Roland's backstory. I want to see what Eddie and Jake are up to, can we skip this wild west stuff please?
 
@coltonoscopy It doesn't get much better after Fires of Heaven until Book 10 Imho
 
@IntrepidBrit Yes, yes it is... I take the meat out of the pitta and put it on a jacket with cheese and beans, top it up with salad and a little bit of chilli sauce - works well
 
@IntrepidBrit people always talk down on Crossroads though isn't that book 10?
 
@coltonoscopy It doesn't get much better after Fires of Heaven until Book 10 Imho
 
Ugh yam
 
5:55 PM
@JonClements Aaaah Anglo-Turkish cruisine!
Narm
 
@IntrepidBrit hey - we pride ourselves on being a multi-cultural society... :)
 
@coltonoscopy Aye, but it starts coming together near the end. And you're like: "NOW we're cooking with charchol"
@JonClements I prefer the term "multi-cuisinal society"
 
Does cuisine have an "r" in it in Scotland? :)
 
1. There better be no Dark Tower spoilers around here, I'm midway through Wolves of Calla.
2. WoT is awesome, but it gets awful drowsy until Book 10ish. After that though...it kicks off proper.
 
I've fixed my atrocious spelling...
 
5:58 PM
The final book I was up until 3am and had to be up at 7am because I couldn't stand to put it down and wait.
The one good thing about the drowsy bits is that it sets up the awesome.
 
Anyone else read Clarke's Rama series?
 
@Ffisegydd I was the same. I had to put it down because I hadn't slept in days. Work -> Read -> Work
@JonClements ... didn't realise it was a series
 
@IntrepidBrit yeah... Rama, Rama II, Garden of Rama and Rama Revealed
 
@JonClements Rendezvous with Rama is the first one?
 
6:00 PM
@JonClements 'kay. Will add that to my never ending list
 
I've been reading up on python, that is to say, I'm a python newbie. what ide do you guys prefer in what os? thanks.
 
This conversation, again :)
 
@IntrepidBrit the first one was okay, but you can read any book without having to know the history... but it's generally better you do
 
DSM
@Kevin: map-territory confusion spotted!
 
6:02 PM
@IntrepidBrit I read them 2, 3, 4 then 1
 
I use Sublime currently, but PyDev looks pretty good, and many swear by PyCharm
 
@Johndt6 SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Have you not seen the starred comment?!
 
@IntrepidBrit imma have to get myself back into that and finish it
 
@CullenTsering PyCharm. Use PyCharm.
 
@DSM What, in the "hexadecimal string" post? I'm still trying to understand what he wants to do.
 
6:03 PM
@IntrepidBrit I don't think I have D:
 
Gonna make a wiki post to discuss the different possible IDE choices.
 
@Johndt6 thanks John
 
(incidentally, I wonder if it's bad that I edit posts after reading them but before comprehending them)
 
you guys prefer pycharm to sublime with linting?
ive never used pycharm
 
Sublime, sublime forever
 
6:04 PM
I use both.
They both have their own uses.
But if you want an IDE then use PyCharm.
 
Everybody stop liking things I don't like. Throw away your IDEs and use the command line.
 
DSM
@Kevin: yeah, the '\x' stuff is a giveaway.
 
@Ffisegydd I've been playing with pycharm in both windows and linux, it is pretty cool
 
If you want a generic text editor that happens to be awesome as well, use Sublime
 
@Kevin Not even VI is acceptable. We should just go back to punch cards
 
6:06 PM
@Johndt6 Punch cards FTW!
 
DSM
Are we going to have the IDE conversation every few days now? We hadn't had one in what seems like forever, but now it's very poopular.
 
Punch cards? No, we just have eight "1/0" switches on the front of the machine.
 
@coltonoscopy You should!
 
@CullenTsering Sublime has really great extension support. It's a bit featureless out of the box, but there's all kinds of stuff you can add on
 
@JonClements I will do it the proper order, the one in which the prophets decreed
 
6:07 PM
i might have to try out pycharm just to have done so
 
Or maybe we should go back to writing pure machine code
 
ive been pleased with sublime and plugins though
 
Really, we're doing this for the third time in three days?
 
@Johndt6 but it's commercial licensed, right?
 
I like discussion, but this is overkill.
 
@Johndt6 01010011 01100011 01110010 01100101 01110111 00100000 01101101 01100001 01100011 01101000 01101001 01101110 01100101 00100000 01100011 01101111 01100100 01100101
 
@CullenTsering It's like WinRAR, with an indefinite trial. Every once in a while it asks you if you want to buy it, but it's not annoying at all
 
yesterday, by IntrepidBrit
@compski Be careful what you say, some people would sacrifice you and your heretical ways at the altar of PyCharm
 
sublime extensions are cool but a little intimidating for the neonate - like, just enabling the package installer requires opening the sublime terminal and copy-pasting in a python script
 
Tomorrow you can quote the quote.
 
6:08 PM
@Johndt6 gocha, that's cool
 
Now that's narcissism for you ;)
 
>>> ''.join(chr(int(el, 2)) for el in text.split())
'Screw machine code'
 
@Funkyguy 4d616368696e6520636f646520697320617765736f6d65
 
>>> from binascii import unhexlify
>>> unhexlify('4d616368696e6520636f646520697320617765736f6d65')
'Machine code is awesome'
 
(removed)
 
6:10 PM
Well - this is fun...
 
lol
 
@JonClements are you a wizard
 
@coltonoscopy yup... just call me Rincewind... I'm highly competent at all things magic
 
This is how machine's say hello": 43616262616765
 
@JonClements: codeslinger
 
6:12 PM
@Jon if you're Rincewind then I'm calling shotgun on Vimes.
 
The only thing machines say is "Kill all humans."
 
@JonClements Do you spell it 'Wizzzard?'
 
DSM
Okay, time for a (non-rhubarb-based) lunch and research for the upcoming drafts.
 
@DSM have fun... see ya laters
@Ffisegydd okay - can I be Vetinari ?
or shall I settle for being Gaspode...
 
You're got to be Gaspode.
 
6:14 PM
woof!?
 
Kevin is Vetinari.
His little turns of phrase.
 
Can't. I'm bad at crosswords.
 
You can be Leonard of Quirm then.
 
I'll take it :-)
 
@Ffisegydd yes... we still need KevinScript (lots of thought went into that name) - the low orbit tea cannon and to populate Mars :)
@Ffisegydd you're definitely Vimes though :)
 
6:17 PM
Okay Ciao guys. Although I'll regret missing thing Discworld themed conversation
 
@Intrepid is Nobby.
 
@IntrepidBrit Ciao - see you later matey
 
@Ffisegydd YUS
 
@Ffisegydd awwwww........ evil Vimes, evil!
 
Wait what?
 
6:17 PM
cabbage all
 
cbg @Humdinger
 
@JonClements haha thats awesome.
 
Oh - well - it's good to see the Wiki being useful :p
 
That's useful :P
 
6:20 PM
@Ffisegydd give the poor doggy a biscuit... reach into your pocket and give the doggy a biscuit
 
So anyone here into android and heard about the oneplus one?
 
@Humdinger I just use Android - don't follow development stuff on it
 
same
 
Do you just use the ui that came with your phone?
 
Sublime con: Can be difficult for inexperienced users to configure and extend
 
6:22 PM
Phones can have alternate UIs?
 
Android? Yes. Have you ever noticed how Samsung/LG/Nexus/HTC all have different UI's?
 
@JonClements You should totally look up Gaspode and emulate him.
 
@Johndt6 ta
Anyone else got anymore pros/cons for Pycharm or ST (forget the others for now)
Try to be subjective :P
 
@Ffisegydd Can I see the list you have so far so I don't duplicate anything?
 
err.. okay... anyone have an explanation for this?
 
6:24 PM
cons: they aren't Notepad++
 
I dunno what kind of support PyCharm has for Django development? Do you have to use a different IDE for HMTL/CSS/JS development?
 
#!/usr/bin/python3.4
In [1]: hash({}.keys())
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
TypeError                                 Traceback (most recent call last)
<ipython-input-1-3727b260127e> in <module>()
----> 1 hash({}.keys())

TypeError: unhashable type: 'dict_keys'

In [2]: hash({}.items())
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
TypeError                                 Traceback (most recent call last)
<ipython-input-2-decac720f012> in <module>()
 
@Johndt6 it has excellent support for Django.
 
@Johndt6 No, the payed version of pycharm of offers JS support, the free version still has html/css support
 
@Humdinger @Ffisegydd Ah, good to know. I might look into using it, but i haven't really had problems with sublime
 
6:25 PM
Ah yeah I forget the CE lacks Django.
 
@Ffisegydd Pycharm pro: Excellent debugging tools
 
@Humdinger do you think that's covered by "Complex" or does it need its own?
 
Woa, the "up" arror doesn't copy your message, it edits it >.<
 
@roippi Funny, I'd expect all three to give a TypeError, since they're all mutable.
 
Does anybody here have experince with jython
 
6:27 PM
@Ffisegydd Pycahrm pro: pep8 hints
 
Wow, you can edit chat messages :o
 
@Kevin yeah
 
@Humdinger ST has that with addons
 
@Humdinger Sublime pro: pep8 hints
 
but mutating a dict doesn't change the hash of a pre-made values object, even when you change the values
 
6:28 PM
@Ffisegydd Are we only listing the things that are different or are we making this generic for extensibility?
 
yeah I just checked that myself
but like..
why the asymmetry
 
>>> d = {4:8}
>>> v = d.values()
>>> v
dict_values([8])
>>> hash(v)
467193
>>> d[15] = 16
>>> v
dict_values([8, 16])
>>> hash(v)
467193
 
Assuming PyCharm has auto-complete features?
 
@Johndt6 yes
 
@Humdinger hmmm I dunno. I'd rather keep it short and sweet.
 
6:28 PM
The sublime plugin I have for it can be a bit wonky at times...
 
I assume it's just using the default __hash__ implementation, return id(self)
but like you could do that just as readily for keys and items
 
@Ffisegydd I would assume that the best thing would be to put a table together kindof like the ones on wikipedia
 
I'm limited by what I can produce in Markdown.
 
No apparent explanation in the view object documentation
 
I'll see if I can produce a table cos if so that's a good idea.
 
6:31 PM
@MartijnPieters yeah... I'm better looking than Gaspode... I'll have to roll around in a few muddy puddles and gutters for a bit to really get into character
 
@Humdinger yes but not sure it's installed for our MD engine
 
> Values views are not treated as set-like since the entries are generally not unique.
I wonder if that has something to do with it.
 
@Ffisegydd tables are enabled
 
So values can be hashed, but not keys or key-value pairs
 
6:32 PM
I was thinking you'd just adopt his way of treating humans. Woof woof bloody woof and stuff.
 
@davidism awesome. I thought they were but wasn't sure.
 
Draw them with - and |, underline headers with = instead of -
alignment doesn't matter
 
yeah but you're just hashing the dict_values object, not the values themselves... hmm this is a little hard to wrap my brain around
 
Woof woof bloody ninjas
 
think I might just do that thing you can do on that website we use
I hear they let us ask questions on it
 
6:35 PM
anybody know why prints would be fine while running in the console but then throw a UnicodeEncodeError when trying to pipe to a text file with >?
 
@Ffisegydd err: and as such is quite a poor fit for the Stack Overflow ?
 
It did say "for the website"
 
Right... done for the day... heading back into the house... back in a mo'
 
@coltonoscopy Funny, I had a similar problem the other day. Can't help you though, I didn't find a solution. I just got fed up and replaced all my prints with file.write.
 
Tables look crap.
 
6:37 PM
@Kevin it's all sorts of funky....
 
@Ffisegydd link?
 
Stupid bootstrap, you have to add a bunch of styles to tables :/
 
bootstrap comes to mind
 
6:38 PM
Ah.
I'll stick with pros and cons individually for now.
Maybe in time we could work out some kind of table.
Let's just get it written down for now.
 
Need to add a callback for rendering tables: github.com/Anomareh/Hoep/#block-level
 
@Ffisegydd In that case: Sublime pro: Lightweight
 
can add style in there
 
@Ffisegydd Pycharm pro: Indexes all files for faster searching
 
@Humdinger added, as well as "Featuers must be added with extensions"
 
6:41 PM
@Ffisegydd Pycharm con: Takes a long time to startup
 
@Kevin figured it out! just encode every print statement as utf-8
 
@Ffisegydd Pycharm pro: Embedded terminal
 
121
Q: Setting the correct encoding when piping stdout in python

Joakim LundborgWhen piping the output of a python program, the python interpreter gets confused about encoding and sets it to None. This means a program like this: # -*- coding: utf-8 -*- print u"åäö" will work fine when run normally, but fail with: UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u...

 
@Ffisegydd Pycharm pro: Source Control integration
@Ffisegydd Pycharm pro: Advanced Refactoring features
 
6:43 PM
I'll add that to both
 
The only pro I can think of for IDLE is that you get it for free with the installer on Windows
 
I might remove IDLE
 
@davidism nice! i was also thinking about command line coloring the other day too, so i might have to try that out
 
@Ffisegydd Pycharm con: Expensive if you buy the pro version
 
i realize you can do it with curses as well
 
6:45 PM
In fact yes I will unless anyone really things it should be there.
 
@Ffisegydd Pycharm con: Django support is bad on free version
 
Does ST have a free version?
 
@Ffisegydd You can always get the development/beta versions for free i believe
 
@Ffisegydd Sublime has an extension to use a repl for just about any language. You can even run an open file through the repl
 
6:47 PM
@Ffisegydd Can you tell which editor i am partial too ? :p
 
@Ffisegydd It's like WinRAR... it asks you to buy it every now and then, but that's it. It's not very annoying, either, and there's no extra features for buying it
 
@davidism that looks cool too.... i was originally wanting to use libtcod but i've historically run into some issues getting it to work
 
@Ffisegydd Can also run files through PDB and has options for virtualenv. Searching is also very powerful
Also has awesome extensions for vim like functionality (Speaking of ST)
 
Cons: Slow startup, not free. Pros: everything else
 
Poor PyDev... :P
 
6:58 PM
wait, does ubuntu have the same keychain utility as mac?
 
no, there are a few different keyrings, the most popular ones are provided by gnome and kde
 

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