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5:00 PM
This OP...... ughhhhhhh in regards to OP's if variable == 'value' or 'value2':
 
Ah, the old fallacy of testing for type 1 errors but not type 2 errors.
Or, uh, the other way around. I can never remember which is which.
 
Not remembering is a type 3 error.
 
Giving nondescriptive names is a type 4 error.
 
You pointed it out, how are you not mildly annoy with OP? I'm just passing by and it annoyed me enough to type up a comment.. :\
 
I didn't know about it until you brought it up a minute ago.
I would be more worked up if it was just me defending, but you're getting annoyed in my stead, so I don't have to.
 
5:03 PM
847+ rep gives an answer that is more of a comment... this is what happens when I'm stuck in a meeting during lunch time... :( The world of mine seems to not spin correctly....
 
Starting your numbering scheme at 1 is a type 0 error.
4
 
Stating that there are more than 2 errors is a type 10 error.
Quick how do people get out of a meeting that drags on and on because two people can't agree on something and it has nothing to do with you?
 
First, become so indispensable that you can do whatever you want without reprisal. Then, do whatever you want.
Still working on that step 1 over here.
 
DSM
I'm already there! So forget about these fixing these warnings, I'm going to lunch.
 
user7102066
I'm not sure if any of you live in Ontario Canada, But I'm trying to move to Toronto and all the good spaces are are affordable (500 - 700 $ / month) are female only.. anyone would have any idea why?
 
5:11 PM
I expect lots of landlords think that women make better tenants on average
 
Oh Kevin, is kscript going to change how super() works :D ?
 
user7102066
@Kevin do you live in Ontario?
 
Erm... can I pad a dataframe to a fixed "height"/number of rows with random data?
in Pandas?
 
I'll probably just force my users to do ParentClassNameGoesHere.MethodNameGoesHere(self) or something.
Or, wait, do KS methods have an explicit self? I forget. I may need a bind function like js has.
@KOOLz No, but sexism exists pretty much everywhere
 
@AlexMitan yes I vaguely remember Pandas supporting padding pandas.pydata.org/pandas-docs/stable/missing_data.html
 
5:16 PM
         sepal_length  sepal_width
cluster
0            0.240741     0.694444
2            0.120370     0.458333
let's say I have this dataframe called newseeds
 
@KOOLz My experience has been that the level of barbarity of tenants, in descending order, is all-male, all-female, mixed. I suppose insisting on "whatever the other tenants aren't" is too complex to express in a listing, though.
 
I lost row with index 1, and I want to fill it with random data
But newseeds.loc[1] won't work, because I could have dozens of seeds, random ones missing
 
Now, it would be quite interesting to me if you found that this renting situation was specific to Ontario Canada and not anywhere else you looked (e.g. your current city). In which case "everybody is ignorant everywhere" doesn't explain the data
 
LandLords can rent to whoever they want. If they want all female so be it, if they want all male, oh well. If they only want to charge cheaper for all Pandas, no one can stop them. Sure, there might be laws preventing refusal based on gender/race but you would have to prove the land lord is refusing to rent to you based on those factors, which if the land lord is smart, would be rather hard.
 
ohrc.on.ca/en/… seems to indicate that discriminating based on sex is not permitted in Ontario
Unless the entire building is same-sex, apparently
 
5:27 PM
@MooingRawr Hard, but doable. I acknowledge that you said "if the land lord is smart", though ;-)
 
user7102066
The main reason I decided to learn Python is because I want to automate online tasks so I can have an income of like lets say 200 dollars per month, so I can move to Ontario and study computer science..
 
user7102066
hope this is not an offensive/stupid question, but does anyone have experience in online marketing and automation and how to make a living through internet?
 
Landlords that put "women applicants only" on their ads are probably not smart landlords.
 
@ZeroPiraeus of course it's do able :D Heck I've seen even more messed up court cases before :D
 
user7102066
@Kevin you should see the houses, they are soooo nice.
 
5:29 PM
@KOOLz Try researching the term "passive income"
(I'm not trying to brush you off by telling you to google it, btw. I just don't know anything about it myself and I think that keyword will help narrow things down in your independent search)
 
200 dollars a month doesn't get you much in any big city, like New York, Toronto, SoCal. I don't think you can live off 200 dollar decently well in the States or Canada, maybe if you were homeless and 200 dollars for food and basic needs....
 
user7102066
@Kevin I've done plenty of research and drop-shipping is very appealing to me, where you sell and item and charge the customer for a higher margin, then buy the product from the seller ship it directly to the customer and make a profit, and this process can be fully automated too, so thats why I'm studying programming
 
user7102066
@MooingRawr you are right, however, 200$ off of a 700$ rent for a room which is not old and dirty and has nice light (even if it is small) makes a huge difference in mental health and productivity
 
user7102066
how old are you guys btw? I am 26 and recently have become enlightened to the power of computer simulation apps , so my final goal is to master artificial intel and machine learning
 
29. My goal is to make things that myself from 18 months ago would say "hey, that's pretty neat, how did you do that?".
 
5:37 PM
I'm ageless. That unimpressed face will never gain any wrinkles.
 
Speaking of age, I finished ReLIFE yesterday. I liked it, but I thought there was going to be one more episode, and there was not one more episode.
 
DSM
No spoilers, I don't know if the anime goes ahead of the manga.
 
Probably they were angling for a second season but [skeleton.png] on that I expect
 
They caught up to the source material when it aired.
Although their viewer is kinda bad.
 
I'm still puzzled about how view spoiler
 
5:41 PM
Do you know what happen to CR dropping it's quality on it's videos ?
 
There haven't been any more volumes, not sure what the author's doing.
 
Eh, I don't think how it works is the important part.
 
Not important to the story, perhaps, but I do like to have an internally consistent universe.
 
Did you finish Erased?
 
5:46 PM
I would have at least liked a throwaway scene to establish that view spoiler even if we the audience aren't privy to it
@davidism Yeah.
 
What did you think? Lots of people disliked the last few episodes. I thought they fit fine.
 
@KevinMGranger :D there there....
 
wim
5:50 PM
@Code-Apprentice 'g' rounds
for example 95 to one significant digit is 100, and 94 to one significant digit is 90
>>> '{:.1g}'.format(95)
'1e+02'
>>> '{:.1g}'.format(94)
'9e+01'
 
But these are fairly minor quibbles. I'm overall satisfied with the ending.
obligatory criticism for all time travel stories: Should've told someone to invest in Apple.
 
That's how you end up on the beta timeline and nothing good happens there
 
Do you want a dystopian timeline ruled over by CERN? Because that's how you get a dystopian timeline ruled over by CERN.
That reminds me. I need to watch the recent-ish addition to the semi;colon franchise
 
Wait is it out!?
 
Let's see... Chaos;Child, released January 11, 2017 – April 5, 2017
 
6:02 PM
Oh, I thought you meant Steins;Gate Zero. I never watched the other ones
 
Me neither. I'll get around to it.
 
Can I ask questions here ?
 
It appears so ;-)
 
I'm currently self-studying a cs degree from this link. github.com/open-source-society/computer-science. Would it be worth it ?
 
See sopython.com/chatroom – specifically, “You do not need to ask if it’s okay to ask a question”.
 
6:07 PM
I'm sorry. I just read the rules.
 
@ShameemFairooz what do you expect to get out of it?
 
The knowledge
Not the certificates.
 
Don't know never tried it, it looks promising
 
I don't know anything about that course specificially, but CS is probably the best field when it comes to online resources.
 
I'm doing the first intro to cs course.
 
6:09 PM
You can't become a dentist by reading Wikipedia articles, but you might become a programmer.
 
That's right. But the problem is how will i be able to get help ?
If I'm doing it all by myself.
 
github.com/open-source-society/computer-science#readings seems a little idiosyncratic at first glance.
 
Well there's StackOverflow, but their patience is more limited than somebody being paid to help you
 
Do you guys know anyone who can mentor me in this process ?
 
@ZeroPiraeus man I never took linear algebra or calc II :\
 
6:11 PM
I understand that codementor.io has code mentors. You get what you pay for though
 
Surely there are communities of people trying to study together, no?
If not, you could try to start one.
 
@ShameemFairooz for free? Nope, but you could ask some questions on Stack Overflow if they are specific and well written to follow their rule set
 
I get it. are there any communities as @KevinMGranger mentioned ?
I think. I'll have to be patient and ask in stackoverflow. Did come here all these days.
 
Be the change you want to see in the world ;-)
 
@ShameemFairooz Coursera and other MOOCs have message boards that are specific to each class
 
6:14 PM
@ShameemFairooz This room is often quite helpful (with the caveat that it will wag its collective finger at you if it thinks you've been too lazy to try to work things out for yourself). Context-appropriate finger-wagging, is, of course, a vital component of mentoring, so maybe that's not a caveat after all.
 
@Code-Apprentice The course I'm currently following is archived. So no help over there.
 
basically if you come here and ask something silly like x = [1,2,3] what is this? or how do I add to this list... (spoilers) we will wave our finger at you
 
For general help, there are sites like SO. It takes a bit more effort to ask questions here since you cannot assume any familiarity with the specific material.
 
if you ask something more interesting and not as easy to research, such as earlier: cloning super() we generally like to help those questions
 
I get it guys. I'll try my best and if I get stuck I'll come here.
Thanks for the help.
 
6:16 PM
Good luck
 
I complained to a coworker about the special treatment that the compiler gives to super, and they replied, "well, it's right there in the name..."
 
DSM
Self-learning isn't for everyone, just like sitting in a lecture hall isn't for everyone, and even the same person can find they need different approaches at different times and for different material. Don't be discouraged if you find it isn't working for you.
 
There's nothing wrong with giving up and becoming a lighthouse operator.
 
DSM
Awww, you should have gone "a dentist", to complete the circle.
Although yes, I do remember your previous mentions of lighthouse operation as a possible career..
 
At least until automation puts us out of business.
 
6:19 PM
An automated dentist would be kind of terrifying
 
I'll just become an in-house automated lighthouse repairbot repairman.
"You know how when the light goes out, the robot replaces it? I replace the bot when it goes out"
Retraining as a lighthouse repairbot repairbot repairman 18 months later
 
@Kevin The real money is in consulting: "You know, you save money by automating lighthouse repairbot repairbot repairbot repairbot repair. That'll be $60,000".
 
for N in itertools.count(1):
    email.body = "You save money by automating lighthouse {} repair".format("repairbot " * N)
    email.send()
    time.sleep(months=18)
 
I bet you wrote that script by hand, sucker.
 
{witty_retort}
 
DSM
6:24 PM
Nice update of the placeholder syntax there.
 
f strings are the future, although they're purely theoretical for me until I get around to updating
 
I get that reference.
 
I have no idea why this is funny
 
Bee Movie style editing is a fun meme.
 
Air
6:40 PM
someone remind me what we think about learnpython.org?
Or if we have developed an opinion. It's not coming up on chat search/addressed on sopython wiki about tuts.
 
I don't recall having impassioned conversations about it in either direction
 
Air
Apparently my supervisor's 10 year-old kid is pretty into building computers inside Minecraft and my recommendations have been solicited for free educational materials
 
6:52 PM
I'm tempted to say to teach him java so he can write Minecraft mods, but... It's java.
Good language, free endless wellspring of project ideas: choose one.
 
Air
I think I'm prepared to say that Java is a "good language" in the grand scheme of programming languages even if I find it unpleasant to use
 
I actually find it unobjectionable to use, but I like to have something I can look down upon.
... And PHP is too easy to bully.
 
Air
FORTRAN? VBA?
 
If you can get all the cool kids to jump ship, I will too.
 
Air
I do not feel invested in this mission
I can't even hate on M$ as much any more because VS Code is pretty damn good
 
7:06 PM
Will you accept this quest? Y/N
> N
But thou must! Will you accept this quest? Y/N
 
Air
^C
 
sudo rm -rf
 
@Air The program has employed the forbidden art of try: ... except KeyboardInterrupt: pass
The trick is to ctrl-C again while it's evaluating pass
Just gotta hope they aren't doing try: try: ... except KeyboardInterrupt: pass; exceptKeyboardInterrupt: pass or else they'll silence that one too
 
Air
I'm going to pull your power cord Kevin
 
Ok, but then you'll inherit all of my responsibilities, such as they are.
 
Air
7:13 PM
Maintaining kevinscript and getting starred, np np
 
Yeah those are the big ones. You also have to pet my dog. (but not feed her, because mom already fed her and if you double feed her she'll get fat)
 
Air
She'll have to get pretty fat for me to be able to pet her from way over here
Who do you think I am, Stretch Armstrong?
good lord that was invented in the seventies??
 
I figured you were, if your threat to pull my plug from way over there had any credibility
 
Air
touché
I'd like to inherit DSM's friday Indian lunch responsibilities but I don't think we have one nearby :(
 
7:45 PM
@Kevin Can I get some lobster traps :D ?
 
Your crafting level is not yet high enough
 
@Air recommend Java, or Cobol :D
 
anyone know how to tell pip to not use your home directory for anything? Apparently my /home is out of room :(
 
so you want to tell pip not to go home? wow :(
 
apparently I live in a tiny home :D
 
7:50 PM
tldr; -target location
 
(and apparently pip wheel is differen than pip install, TIL)
 
-b -t eh, what's the difference all I see it-by difference on where the extra line goes :D
 
uuuuuuggggggh -----_____------
Debian6, pls go DIAF
 
/hug there there buddy :D I don't know your pain since I still haven't touched a linux OS :D
> Debian to shutdown public File Transfer Protocol services
 
well, it's just really old. Like...
> The Debian Long Term Support (LTS) Team hereby announces that Debian 6.0 (squeeze) support will reach its end-of-life on February 29, 2016, five years after its initial release on February 6, 2011.
 
7:56 PM
what o.o umm okie.... :(
 
So, only a year past dead
 
Welp there there, you need some pineapple for making it this far :D here's a pizza to hold em :D
 
pineapple apple pen pizza?
 
user6845426
Has anyone ever played around with UIPath before?
 
8:11 PM
c'mon @dipper you should know that you just need to ask your question :P
 
not the first time hes done this, and I don't think it will be the last time either
 
Maybe we just need to make that bunny-bot-whatever-its-name-was respond to his first post in the room after N bits of silence with a link to the room rules :D
 
Terry :D
 
that's a terry-ble name
 
I wonder if it would be classify as malicious to make Terry send/open the SO rules after it boots the user out of the chat room.
 
8:36 PM
@Kevin hamsters seem to find it works all right. Maybe you just need to channel your inner gerbil.
 
I think he went home already :D
 
9:33 PM
late night cbg
 
feels like late night for me -_-
 
me too :P
 
10:37 PM
Has anybody observed this? Using processing sometimes I have a parent launch a large number of (maybe 64) processes in Python. Occasionally, these processes raise exceptions. What I've been noticing is that sometimes not all the processes close, even though most are dead. So, when I look at the task manager or top, I see a few, even though they are no longer in the task bar... Any ideas?
 
 
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11:54 PM
subprocesses or threads, @Mikhail?
 
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