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DSM
12:01 AM
Fortunately I have both gridiron and rounders to distract me.
 
Rounders is good!
 
I just realized that tristan said "For whom are you..." anyone who actually uses the phrase for whom is going to be a problem
 
DSM
I've basically given up on "whom" except in very formal contexts. I was way too bookish as a kid and had to learn how to talk like normal people almost like it was another language.
 
user559633
I'm pretty sure breweries that use brettanomyces bruxellensis do so just to be different. Not feeling amazing and I'm pretty sure exotic yeasts are to blame.
 
12:09 AM
well, it is a Belgium method
 
user559633
it's possible to be grammatically correct, and awesome, i'll have you know
 
user559633
if you need me, i'll be arguing about the "singular they." i'd say "with them," but you wouldn't be able to tell if i was being ironic because the state of the english language is one of shit.
 
and my familiarity with it is in wine where brett is considered a horrible, spoiled thing
oh! oh! start arguing about neutrality and language - drives those people nuts
 
user559633
one could argue against the passive tone
 
ugh....idjaw...stop
 
user559633
12:14 AM
excuse-moi idjaw, mon ami
 
one could argue that the passive tone robs us of an ability to connect with the audience reading your article/paper/etc...
:)
 
user559633
i speak in the very active tone (brick-housed drunk and waving a half loaded shotgun in the air)
 
if you guys needed a visual
that's happening right now
 
user559633
oklahoma is hardly america
 
12:16 AM
except to people who live in oklahoma
.....also, if that shotgun goes off - that guy better not want anymore children
or to even use that area again
 
guns typically don't just "go off"
 
user559633
to be fair, his trigger discipline is such that he's just holding the frame
 
user559633
@KevinMGranger cheap guns can't be trusted
 
jumping up and down and not properly maintaining the weapon can be factors
 
uh-oh, "guns do or do not kill people" discussion warning:P
 
12:19 AM
I'm gonna go with @JGreenwell on this one
 
abort abort
actually, I'm off to sleep, so I won't get triggered anyway ;)
 
you're not going to find a stream of the great debate? I think Carrot Top is going to do the half time show
 
me??
 
user559633
how are you watching it?
 
@AndrasDeak nah, a "if your gonna use it - take care of it" debate at most
also 'night
 
user559633
12:20 AM
i love that NY Times is "fact checking" it when they came out with a "don't vote for trump" official stance
 
We have enough turdface nutjobs in charge around here, no need to look abroad. All I need past 2 AM is my bed;)
 
@tristan Canada Cable would not survive without American network channels. I have the big ones like NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN
FOOOOXXX
 
user559633
i love gun debates with participants that don't own/haven't shot guns
 
^ always fun - especially if you keep correcting them by saying "weapon"
 
here
rhubarb
 
12:22 AM
rbrb
 
follow that with "this is my weapon, this is my gun....." - ends the argument every time
 
user559633
later @AndrasDeak, sleep well
 
goodnight # 2 Andras
 
you too, y'all watch your blood pressures:)
 
I'm gonna make lesson plans and ignore it - quarterly testing tomorrow :\
 
user559633
12:27 AM
i'll admit that ~30% of the reason i'm watching the debate is to see if the protein/cocaine sludge being fed to clinton will prevent her from falling down
 
aww...@idjaw got to use his code review meta comment finally
 
\o/
 
huh...5 more flags for new badge - ah, well it can wait til tomorrow
 
 
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3:03 AM
well that was fun!
\o/
 
 
2 hours later…
4:34 AM
Cabbage :-)
 
5:13 AM
"UPI/CVoter state polls: Donald Trump ahead of Hillary Clinton in Electoral College"
 
6:14 AM
oldie
 
6:26 AM
nice :D
 
7:04 AM
Doing a Python interview tomorrow
 
How does one interview a python?
 
Carefully.
 
Hai all
 
You have much wisdom young fizzygood
 
morning
 
7:14 AM
cbg(all)
 
How's my 2nd favourite Scotsman anyway?
 
He's probably doing well. I hear he's quite busy these days
 
I was actually talking about Billy Connolly, you're clearly #1 <3
 
user559633
7:35 AM
cbg
 
7:47 AM
Cabbage!
 
I am having a difficulty in using matplotlib
x = [[0, 1, 2, 3, 4] ,[5, 6, 7, 8, 9]]
y = [ [0, 1, 2, 3, 4], [5, 6, 7, 8, 9]]
 
user559633
I find it amusing that passing a string date to JavaScript's Date() object without the new operator to invoke the constructor just results in JavaScript creating a date-string of abbreviated full format (e.g. Date()->'Tue Sep 27 2016 03:51:56 GMT-0400 (EDT)'), and even if you pass it a string to Date(), it will just discard that and give you that same formatted string. I imagine it to be an employee sarcastically saying "yeah, i'll get right on that, boss"
 
I need to plot the graph for this x and y values
But I got en error
 
Your x and y values make no sense.
You've got a list of lists, not a list of values.
 
7:56 AM
o/ all
 
o7
 
user559633
is that a yawn/stretch?
 
user559633
Yawnstretch is my new go-to fake nordic-sounding name, fwiw.
 
o7 is a "normal" salute, o/ is a Nazi salute.
 
user559633
o_o
 
7:57 AM
This is working x = [0, 1, 2, 3, 4]
y = [ [0, 1, 2, 3, 4], [5, 6, 7, 8, 9], [9, 8, 7, 6, 5] ]
I need it for x = [[0, 1, 2, 3, 4],[0,1,2],[0,1,2,3,4]]
y = [ [0, 1, 2, 3, 4], [5, 6, 7,], [9, 8, 7, 6, 5] ]
Some tthing like this
 
user559633
Have you thought on why one case is working and the other not?
 
for each x - values plotting corresponding y values
 
This is a seriously trivial problem if you're willing to spend 5 minutes of time thinking it through.
 
You want three lines on one axis? That's doable.
 
Basically graph should be one top of another (wrap)
 
8:01 AM
Great, try to write some code to do it.
Read the documentation on what pyplot does.
Look at what you should be passing into functions.
 
Unfortunately, my computer is in the middle of an interminable update, so tge docs wel have to suffice.
 
Windows 10 update? Took 1 hour+ for me last night.
 
Yerp. Lucky davidism isn't up yet to remind me of the righteous path.
 
He's probably sleeping right now mumbling "Arch...just use Arch..." quietly to himself.
Then again, he probably does that most nights.
 
user559633
Windows 10? Y'all playing some video games?
 
8:04 AM
Can anyone please help me ?
 
user559633
@AM.Firnas Multiple people already have.
 
That means ?
 
What the hell is it doing that can take a moderately powerful computer over 1 hour?
 
user559633
@JRichardSnape Updates. ducks under desk in anticipation of a book or something heavy sailing through the air towards me
 
I've been so good lately...I can feel myself losing control...Must not go ballistic...
 
8:06 AM
@am seriously dude, read the docs on how to draw multiple series, make an mcve, if you stil can't do it, come back with code, picture and how it's unsatisfactory to you.
 
user559633
@AM.Firnas Sometimes the best help is not providing a direct answer. Ffisegydd suggested why the values don't make a lot of sense, I suggest you reflect on your inputs, and J Richard suggested the documentation.
 
user559633
<3 basically any line that starts with "seriously dude"
 
Ok thanks
I'll check more
 
We can't help on a radically under specified problem that on the face of it looks like a standard docs example, however much I would genuinely like to help anyone use matplotlib
 
Had this error , spending time to fix this , spent times anyways Okey
/usr/bin/python3 /home/amfirnas/PycharmProjects/untitled/Test/Test/test.py
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/home/amfirnas/PycharmProjects/untitled/Test/Test/test.py", line 19, in <module>
plt.plot([[1,2,3,4],[1,2,3]],[[1,2,3,4][5,6,7]])
TypeError: list indices must be integers or slices, not tuple
 
8:09 AM
Moved from 82% to 86%. This is fun.
 
user559633
What video game are you going to play when it's updated?
 
Eclipse
 
user559633
I think it's an alright OS for a gaming machine, if not suffering immensely from feature creep/bloat.
 
user559633
Haven't heard of it. Is that some sort of survival horror experience?
 
Yes
It troubles my (semi)colon
 
user559633
8:11 AM
Oh my.
 
Too much coffee.
 
Nosuchthingitjustmakesyoumorealert.
 
I might stop drinking coffee.
How very Zen.
 
Thus was slated to be a productive day. so much for plans.
 
8:14 AM
Sure, I got my rep by the mere magic of my name dusted on top. :-D
(the account switched names shortly before posting)
 
I wonder if it's your old friend.
 
user559633
"10k Only" sounds like a sake bar that would have a long queue
 
user6568562
Morning cbg [ :
 
user559633
morning :)
 
user6568562
@AnttiHaapala The France one is so correct : D
 
8:17 AM
Gahh, is it cloning the entire OS our something?
They're trolling me.
Say, Randy, watch this. We can just put 'sleep(10000)' in this tight loop and y'know what? Not a single complaint. Not one
 
user559633
Yeah, sounds like they need some loop un(t)rolling.
 
they all expect it now
Fuck it. Coffee. Warning now says "your PC will restart several times". Once would be nice.
 
user559633
Seems like a lot of hassle to just play some Eclipse.
 
o/ @randomhopeful
 
user6568562
Hey AndyK [ : *
 
8:24 AM
morning cabbage, all
 
user6568562
Cbg holden [ :
 
user559633
Sorry for the JS, but I just came across this little gem that I typed at some point earlier: x.reduce((x,y) => (x < y ? x : y)). Dance like nobody's watching. Love like you've never been hurt. Code like you've got a mortgage.
 
@Ffisegydd I saw him the other day! He was looking alright, considering
 
can anyone tell me how to add CORS to a django view other than django-cors-middleware which doesn't seem to work?
hmm think I got it
 
Morning all
 
user559633
8:39 AM
Morning vaultah
 
o/
you're almost ubiquitous Vaultah
 
@tristan I have to code like I've got a mortgage and like I'm still paying rent somewhere else
4
That's why every single class I write is created by a static method on the RobJobForLifeFactory class
 
user559633
@RobertGrant Oof, sounds like you need to convince someone that the API that's currently working in Java needs to be re-written in Go or NodeJS.
 
@RobertGrant Time Complexity of your life is too damn high :) :D ~puns~
@tristan haha
 
user559633
Microservices: None of our HTTP overhead is as large as all of ours.
 
8:44 AM
@RobertGrant currently coding like I'd like a mortgage
 
user559633
What a weird thing to want. I can imagine liking a house, but just wanting a mortgage is strange to me.
 
@tristan I'm thinking of Erlang, where each actor wraps a REST call to a Whitespace microservices framework
 
:) fair point tbh
house-by-association-of-debt
 
user6568562
I can understand that. Deadlines and the risk of ending up legally broke are my spinach
 
@randomhopeful nice
 
user559633
8:47 AM
@RobertGrant Oooh, a microservices framework. Squirrel away and "write documentation" for a shifting set of features/code and you're square for at least another couple years.
 
Yeah
 
user559633
My spinach is listening to friends talk about the overbearing process and politics involved in their jobs.
 
Also the microservices framework requires a lot of horsepower
Also we need a large file room as we back up all our Whitespace code by printing it out
 
wow
this is eery
 
WEM RLDGDRHKFDHDF
I JUST ALT-TABBED BACK IN AND NEARLY CRAPPED MYSELF ANTTI!
 
8:54 AM
:D:D
 
Bloody hell!
 
@Ffisegydd new pants :D
 
I'm wearing cream pants today too.
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd Liquid suspended in pant shape? F-ing physicists
 
9:01 AM
not just any liquid, emulsion. makes it easier
 
:D
lmao morning cabbage
@tristan isn't it very late or early for you?
there should be at least 6 hours between us, maybe more
 
user559633
@AndrasDeak Justice never sleeps. And also, I'm awake.
 
yup, 6 hours:P
Has the muppet show ended?
 
user559633
Java needed scripting and now Light needs someone to be Faster Than
 
user559633
@AndrasDeak Yeah. I hate them both somehow more than before.
 
9:04 AM
@tristan amazing!
 
it is so amazing, the debate was 80-20
... and depending on the media, the winner was either - or
 
Why not bo.....oh.
 
user559633
80-20 how? As in, made me want to drink a solution of 80% bleach and 20% "f this, I'm moving out of the US?"
 
According to the analysts, we won't know the result until the election, and they are all fired
 
user559633
lol as if this election year is capable of producing any winners
 
9:07 AM
there will be a country of losers, eh?
 
I still do not understand why the guy who just keeps saying "I am using you" would be the better alternative in anyone's mind.
 
why would Clinton do that?
 
user559633
I watched it on "ABC" and it was amusing because they pretended to be objective, meanwhile, they used twitter to push their actual opinions. Trump mentions Hillary's e-mail server/smugness in not following rules/laws? Twitter feed at the bottom: "Trump literally Hitler #kittenkiller"
 
user559633
lol as if Clinton doesn't see the US's people as pawns
 
I understand that people don't like Clinton, but surely she's got to be a better choice than Trump?
 
user559633
9:10 AM
Clown v. Monster.
 
I don't think either of them are idiots.
 
user6568562
At least, less sh*tty. But I'm saying this because I've been leftist, my whole life
 
I don't think you get to that level of power by being stupid.
 
user559633
Fair.
 
@randomhopeful I also have an irrational fear of the right, but I can't help but feel that irrational fear is what the left aren't meant to be about
 
user6568562
9:12 AM
@RobertGrant Very true, man. We're not meant to draw conclusions from partial facts
 
user559633
Well, you can get to a level of power when you get a jumpstart of $millions and grab some land in NYC before it was the cleaned up investment target/tourist beacon that it is today.
 
@tristan I do like that since 2014 there's been a TV series where the lead is literally about a female secretary of state. Wonder how it was funded.
 
user559633
@RobertGrant Yeah, weird!
 
@tristan exactly - you never even have real difficulties, you just have to pick the route that your money will make you the most money
 
user6568562
How feasible is a governing automaton in the near future ? Human computers are already replaced, why not government officers ?
 
user559633
9:15 AM
@randomhopeful Do you sincerely believe that transparency or efficiency are legitimately goals of politicians?
 
@randomhopeful my theory is could we have clearly defined departments who are measured by SLAs and can be swapped out and replaced if they aren't doing well
And measurements done via systems
 
@RobertGrant Privitisation of the government!
Just have a thin layer of elected officials to sign off the paperwork, then let privitisation take care of the rest.
 
Wat
 
user559633
Make the private-industries under-deliver, over-bill, and be indirectly tied to a political official and we can call it "the american way"
 
@Ffisegydd I worked for T-Systems in SA, who provided very highly specified and measured IT services to a giant government department, and the contract went out to full tender every 4 years. I wonder if more stuff can work like that.
 
9:18 AM
You're not thinking big enough Bob. Just put the whole department out to tender.
 
Also, making the tender process public (somehow) - that would be amazing
 
user6568562
@tristan Absolutely not. They can be goals that politicians wish they were able to achieve, but they couldn't with the sponsorship system in place.
 
@RobertGrant emm...
 
user559633
Oh god, letting the general public decide on complex issues.
 
I vote for the introduction of Minds as Heads of State & Government.
 
9:19 AM
I mean publically visible
 
All Hail the Culture.
 
@Withnail indeed :-)
 
Probably wouldn't work though, privatising a major part of the government, good job we haven't already been doing it for years with a quite important branch of government...
 
someone raises a flag from the PHP room, I am like "oh, that must be valid"
 
The difficulty is there's no competition with that one (I assume)
 
9:21 AM
25 year contract Bob
 
I.e. we can't swap out one co for another with a tender
 
@Ffisegydd you could privatise that, then end the contract.
 
Yeah and govt has a golden share, so they have no incentive to change
 
Surely the Government has an incentive to reduce costs on the contract renewal
 
user559633
What is it about nuclear weapons that make them the hot button issue? Is it because "big boom" and then "oh-god-the-humanity" sells so well?
 
9:22 AM
It is literally a button that makes things hot
 
user6568562
@RobertGrant That would be great. And a system of indicators on the efficiency of each position holder
 
@Rob so the current contractors didn't always run it, they won it from the previous ones.
So they're willing to change it
The Atomic Weapons Establishment (AWE) is responsible for the design, manufacture and support of warheads for the United Kingdom's nuclear deterrent. It is the successor to the Atomic Weapons Research Establishment (AWRE) with its main site on the former RAF Aldermaston and has major facilities at Burghfield, Blacknest and RNAD Coulport. AWE plc, responsible for the day-to-day operations of AWE, is owned by a consortium of Jacobs Engineering Group, Lockheed Martin UK and Serco through AWE Management Ltd, which holds a 25‑year contract (until March 2025) to operate AWE. All the sites are owned by...
 
Ah okay fair enough
 
user559633
Whomever came up with the ship name "slartybartfast", +1
 
H2G2 <3
Google is 18 O-o
 
9:32 AM
Yeah. I remember my mate telling me about this cool new search engine that was way better than Altavista, and I looked at it and thought it was bobbins, didn't use it till about 2002.
 
Bobbins was much worse
 
I started using google very early, when it turned out that it found shit
 
Much better verb.
"Where shall we go tonight?" "Dunno, just bobbin it."
 
user559633
I wonder what it is about "google" that makes it a verb in that context. I don't remember anyone every saying "just yahoo it" or "just duckduckgo it"
 
"Oh, duckit."
 
9:37 AM
the ubiquity?
 
Ubiquity, I think. See also uber.
 
user559633
That may be it.
 
o/ andras
The serendipity of double ubiquity.
 
Re-Cabbage :-)
 
9:41 AM
cbg
 
o/
 
duckduckgo doesn't work.
bing doesn't work.
I used altavista quite late too...
at least it used to find shit...
 
we had a Hungarian version called AltaVizsla, worked as well as the original (didn't find anything relevant)
 
then there was a finnish web search engine, they had a funny domain: www.fi
 
9:51 AM
@AnttiHaapala Bing it on!
Bing the paaaaain!
 
Returning briefly to the series about the female secretary of state - this was merely art imitating life: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeleine_Albright
 
I remember finding out that google exists from a TV program...
there was a competition in the Finnish TV about who can find certain information fastest online...
and everyone who won was using google :D
 
@holdenweb and also Hillary Clinton, right?
Or have I massively misunderstood her history
 
Best/worst headline I've seen in a while. Billions of fleas with massive penises will invade bedrooms
(SFW)
 
:D
Flea circuses are not what they used to be
 
user559633
10:00 AM
My favorite of today is "Researcher develops intelligent encryption libraries"
 
user559633
Thank god, I've been using these stupid encryption libraries.
 
> The new flea breed is believed to have come from Europe over the past few years.
this is all just post-brexit FUD
@tristan will it solve your sudoku before opening the door to NSA?
 
@tristan going back to the music chat from the other day, have you heard Public Service Broadcasting?
 
user559633
I haven't but checking them out now.
 
user559633
10:08 AM
yeah, checking out 'gagarin' off that album now. i don't spotify, fwiw
 
I was reminded as there's a remix album just been released of that (well, in the summer) that I'm listening to today, and I promote them shamelessly.
Hah, noted.
Gagarin and 'Go' are probably the best/most accessible.
 
@Withnail yet MORE evidence of our phallocratic heritage
 
who you callin a heritage?
 
heh
 
@AndrasDeak any insect that doesn't acknowledge this will be branded a heritick
 
10:17 AM
Yes indeedy
Stop hertetickling each other
 
@RobertGrant I'll have you know that ticks are not insects
and what is this about hairy ticks?
 
@AndrasDeak don't make me cross
 
The road? Are you a chicken?
 
You can only make yourself cross
 
If you do, I'll have a question for you.
 
10:19 AM
Indeed. Subject/object emotions.
 
looks both ways
 
user559633
You guys are just pandaring with animal puns for the starfish board.
 
Bear with us ...
 
Gnu guys
 
Brace yourselves, inspector might be coming, eventually
 
10:19 AM
Our dogged approach will wear you down
Don't like cats? cat > /dev/null
 
I'll just slither back to work
 
10:31 AM
Cabbage
 
cbg
 
Cabbaggio!
Morning all.
 
@AnttiHaapala For a quick description of how that works see Hybrid image; it helps if you know a little bit about Fourier analysis. Here's a fairly well-known one of Marilyn Monroe + Albert Einstein.
And here's a hybrid image gallery, with some images in colour.
 
Hmm - is this more noticeable for some than others? I only see Einstein there, basically. I mean, as you've told me it's "mixed" with Monroe, I can see some features of the classic Monroe image (hair outline etc), but I don't see her. Maybe I need to be a long way away.
 
squint your eyes
or step back from the screen
 
10:39 AM
Or maybe it's because I'm a little short sighted?
 
from close up you see Einstein, with blur you see Monroe
 
Or do both, and trip over your chair
 
@Withnail Always there with the practical advice!
 
and yes, myopia plays a role
 
o/
 
10:40 AM
@JRichardSnape Yes, squinting is probably not enough for the Marilyn / Albert image, but you should see Marilyn if you view it from a distance.
 
Yeah - I have rolled about 3m across the office and can now see it more.
 
@JRichardSnape In that case, you'll get best results if you put your glasses on & view it from a distance.
 
> put your glasses on
 
accio glasses
 
Unfortunately I only wear them when driving. I don't know why - vanity probably. They're not super strong -0.5D or so, I think.
 
10:43 AM
@JRichardSnape drivers with glasses are 30% hotter
 
That's why I wear 'em, Bobby ;)
 
I have similarly bad eyes, maybe -0.75 on one of them
but I'm insanely annoyed by missing HD in real life, so I wear them whenever I go outside or teach
 
Yeah, I mostly noticed i needed them again when I was at the football last weekend, and the ball was definitely made of cotton wool and v fuzzy, rather than a football :D
 
I must say, it has started to annoy me a little that I can no longer read signs at distance. Maybe now I'm an academic, I should start wearing them to complete the look. What says Bobby the hotness arbiter?
 
Have you got The Jacket?
 
10:46 AM
@JRichardSnape Yeah, that's a very mild prescription. But I guess it's better than having to squint. :)
 
@PM2Ring True, true
@Withnail Working on it. I had, how shall I put this delicately, increased somewhat in the amount of adipose tissue I was transporting around the place. However, measures are in place to rectify and then jacket will be sported. (mainly stop eating the kebabs - I haven't gone to extreme lengths !)
Anyhow - I must now tackle the horrors of text processing in Java for Reasons. Ah Python how I love thee. I'll sign off for a little while.
 
:D
take care bear
 
In Australia, we have a general Goods & Services sales Tax (GST) which has been 10% since it was introduced in 2000, but there are various categories which are exempt, fresh food being the major one, but various essential items, like prescription optics, are also exempt from GST.
Coloured prescription contact lenses are exempt from GST, but cosmetic coloured contacts are not exempt. So contact lenses manufacturers don't supply coloured contact at ±0.25D to stop people who just want cosmetic coloured contacts from cheating the system.
 
nice...
also, sad that people are willing to distort their vision/strain their eyes in order to get that proper vampire look
 
@PM2Ring How would one cheat that? Is it that easy to get prescriptions?
 
10:58 AM
misread your question
 
@JRichardSnape your mission is to transform yourself into this:
 
umm......
 
Still not sure if I even understood PM’s explanation correctly…
 
I think you did, that's how I read it
 

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