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6:00 PM
ooh!
 
6:13 PM
oh boy...we just started a photoshop battle at work. I just installed Gimp. Time to battle.
 
user559633
@idjaw Battle against your linux desktop, you mean. Too bad you won't be able to take part in the photoshop battle :/
 
A Gimp expert came to my rescue and I managed to contribute to the great war.
This afternoon is proving to be productive
 
user559633
I brought React into my project, so I imagine my afternoon will be about as productive as yours
 
6:31 PM
how's everything going with that btw? @tristan
 
user559633
@idjaw pretty good, thanks. introducing javascript slowed things down as I worked on the frontend -- trusting in JS to not mess up and to render components was a bit of a... thing to get used to (needed for some of the 'real-time' updates and for eventual react native), but slow and steady process. deployment model is "done" and the backend choices have made the new feature additions straightforward (if not a bit onerous)
 
user559633
i have a couple of performance-benchmarks lines in the sand that i'm starting to approach, but the story of this week is to get initial state to my form components/divs.
 
user559633
(relevant lines in the sand are <500kb payload for initial landing cost, <1s from typical connection to DOM/interaction ready, 0 db queries for initial index load)
 
user559633
React is really what threw a wrench into that. I'm trying to pick one framework/model and just stick with it, but react + react router + react dom is 350kb minified
 
that doesn't leave a lot of room for your own code with 350KB already being eaten up
 
6:44 PM
That's a hundred and fifty thousand ASCII characters. Just use one space as indentation and don't comment anything and you'll be fine.
 
user559633
yeah, exactly. it might be that my demands are unrealistic; i've been relatively shocked by what's considered normal behavior now
 
You mean the trend of web pages that are mostly text-only but still consume megs upon megs of bandwidth?
 
user559633
Yeah, exactly. A simple layout, but >1MB and happy to go out and grab dozens of dependencies
 
Not going to lie, as long as I get mine to do the needful, I'm content.
 
user559633
Or like airbnb.com that, as of being opened a minute ago, has xferred 51 megabytes
 
6:49 PM
I do look for the best solutions, but I'm no web designer. :P
 
I attribute huge page sizes to two things: 1) ad networks/data analytics systems that are incentivized to push a whole lot of junk to/from the user's machine; 2) increasingly many layers of abstraction that take the developer away from the metal and introduce bloat at each level
 
Maybe this is a grass is greener thing. But this seems like a fun/interesting problem to solve. Considering that I am very far removed from any js or front-end development right now.
 
user559633
Yeah -- the latter is really what I've been finding surprising. For 7 front-end JS modules, the "most approved" workflow brought in 238 dependencies
 
There isn't really a happy shiny solution for either one. If you want to monetize, ads are a logical choice; and if you want a site of nontrivial complexity, high-level systems are a logical choice.
I expect optimizing for space will gain true mainstream traction if/when consumer-level bandwidth stops increasing every N months.
 
7:29 PM
I think Remove item in a list based on index is a victim of the "Python syntax is just like English!" meme
Surely do_thing() and do_other_thing() works the same in Python as it does in spoken language.
 
cabbage
You're adding an answer, because you can't comment. But you're answering...what I already wrote in a comment. So if you would be able to comment, would you have added a comment which says the same thing as mine?:D — Andras Deak 22 secs ago
 
Oh those wacky low-rep users! [canned laughter]
 
close as typo, Copied code from another place and forgot a space stackoverflow.com/q/38084639/4099593
 
> Deak is Right
I think you should adopt that as a slogan, @andras
 
:D good idea
 
7:34 PM
DeakForPrez
 
@JRichardSnape I'll refer to you as a credible source, I hope that's OK
"9 out of 10 Snapes say he's right"
 
There's an imminent vacancy for the UK Labour party leader, it would seem :P
 
that sill allows you to be the minority 1
 
tries to cover his political discomfort with humour
 
tdka will run in opposition to you, out of vindictiveness. Because he was your number one fan and you delivered the smackdown upon him.
 
7:35 PM
:(
that's politics, baby
 
But The Incredibles teaches us that smackdowns are a necessary part of the fan/idol life cycle.
 
Hell hath no fury like a fan scorned (with apologies)
 
cbg
:)
 
7:53 PM
Both are unclear/give me teh codez.
Uh, guys, I think Joran needs repairs. His circuitry is breaking down again.
you just need to ... errr.... ahhh ... static ... blipblop... read the FAQ about how to ask a question ... — Joran Beasley 4 mins ago
 
^_^
poor attempt at humor ...
 
Hehehe, I like it.
 
8:08 PM
I wish you could comment on deleted answers sometimes ...
 
lol:D
have a meaningless comment-upvote, @Joran
 
8:30 PM
@JRichardSnape It's fine, @Zero is coming home to take over.
You know...I've never seen Corbyn and Zero in the same room...and right when the EU referendum was finishing up, Zero came back to us saying he wasn't as busy anymore...
 
8:46 PM
Two consecutive questions duped to the same target within 5 minutes.
I call that a result..
 
"how do I transpose with numpy but I don't know it's called transpose" -- stackoverflow.com/q/38086005/5067311 (I'm not sure I found the best dupe, I didn't search for long)
but there are already 2 answers
 
9:18 PM
@JoranBeasley Get yourself a diamond :)
 
10:48 PM
 
11:12 PM
@JonClements lol ... yeah i doubt it ... I feel bad and second guess my self closing dupes :P and sometimes i even answer terrible questions
 
11:24 PM
How stable is Python coding?
Like how C++/C is unstable and UB abroad
 
11:40 PM
@Darkrifts how do you mean stable
 
that is not very much to programming language..
 
How easy would it be to rewrite this
 
you don't write dll's with python :)
 
Ik, but how easy would it be to make something that decides things for itself by basically abusing faults in the language
 
11:46 PM
faults in language? faults like what?
 
Like what allows Undefined.dll to work :P
Basically letting it do whatever it wants, be it crash or print 1
 
why not, you get random from 1 to 30*10^6 and then you chose a number lets say 27.6959*10^6 and if that number ever is generated you exit program, otthervise print one
that program would be such fun
and that really is not using any faults in language by the way
 
Undefined.dll holds a method called Undefined.Undefined.run(), and it changes random bits to operate on arbitrary code and junk
 
ah, you mean unmanaged code ?
 
Causes fatal errors, crashes, and printing of 1
And not unmanaged, but a way to make it unstable in a way that ANYTHING could happen
I'm about to get back to work on Undefined.jar (Java) and start on Undefined.lib (C++), but I was thinking about making a Undefined.py or something
 
11:55 PM
I don't know the purpose of the program which does nothing
Anything is broad, and every computer program has predictable results..
 

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