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7:00 PM
hmm...Django for starters? I would have to disagree with that. It's a massive framework
 
user559633
you know that path less travelled poem? yeah, the point of it was just make a decision and go for it. that's good advice for you right now
 
yes
 
I started on Django and now I'm a Flask dev. Draw your own conclusions from that.
 
Same here.
 
"Just make stuff" is the cornerstone of my learning philosophy. Time you spend fretting about libraries is time you're not spending making stuff.
 
user559633
7:02 PM
awkwardly whistles about a productivity mention in the cabbage room
 
"Just make stuff" is the cornerstone of my learning philosophy < Same
 
user559633
@nTuply lol liar
 
So I'll just go dive into one :P
@tristan I'm just trying to make stuff and find one that is good to start with.
 
user559633
you've been asking us to tell you what samesies direction to go in for over 30 minutes
 
:D
 
user559633
7:03 PM
"don't get sick and die from radiation poisoning, that's what i say" - you as marie curie
 
lol
Thanks guys. I think I'll just go with Pylons
 
user559633
i mean it's cool and do what you want, but that's as ironic as me telling someone to stop dicking around on the internet and focus on work
 
Agree
 
user559633
 
tbf "just make stuff" is the philosophy of the non-canonical idealized version of myself that exists only in my fantasies. Actual Kevin's philosophy is more like "I wonder if there's anything good on Reddit?"
 
7:06 PM
Speaking of Pyramid, I got one of their shirts at PyCon because it was awesome: pylonsproject.storenvy.com/collections/56570-all-products/…
 
user559633
that rules.
 
aw man! That's awesome
 
I tried to get a "fellow wsgi framework" discount, but they weren't going for it.
 
Cool t-shirt ;O
 
user559633
reminds me of a megadeth or iron maiden cover
 
7:08 PM
I'm afraid I've fallen into the habit that I hate seeing in other people: giving advice that the advice-giver themselves don't follow.
 
It's by the guy doing the art for the next Metallica album apparently. His brother is a contributor.
 
user559633
awesome.
 
wow
really cool
 
DSM
Not sure I'd wear it, but I admire it. And "not built by aliens" is a catchphrase I need to use more often.
 
user559633
"not built by aliens -- we don't h1b sponsor"
 
7:10 PM
haha
 
90% test coverage. My work here is done nowhere near complete.
 
user559633
who tests the unittests?
 
Sam Vimes.
 
user559633
THAT'S NOT CANON
 
It is now.
 
user559633
7:13 PM
Oh, cool.
 
Pterry's unfinished last manuscript - Sam Vimes gets bored of fighting crime and becomes a test manager.
 
@Ffisegydd wanna automatically generate test inputs?
 
Uhhh, no?
 
really? I thought it would make a lot of sense to automate test input generation for code execution path coverage
 
DSM
I tried that hypothesis tool someone posted the other day on a function of Martijn's which I knew didn't work. It didn't find the counterexamples I did manually, but that might not be a fair test..
 
7:14 PM
But then I'd need to generate the test success factors.
 
user559633
@idjaw mastodon store has blood mountain leggings not sure if idawess does yoga or anything, but tristanovka is about to get an unexpected and probably unwanted present
 
user559633
oh lol this is under the men's section. that's about 9/10ths of an explanation for wearing them in public
 
@inspector my library is taking input and generating mathematical numbers as an output, if I randomise the input then I'd then have to calculate the needed output on the fly in my tests, in that case I effectively end up writing my entire library twice - once in the lib, once for the tests.
 
@tristan oh man...those are fantastic. There is a women section for leggings. But not those exact ones. I feel like I should surprise order one for my wife as well. Our anniversary is coming up and I think it would be hilarious.
 
Just do assert someFunction(*args) == someFunction(*args), job's done
 
user559633
7:19 PM
@idjaw lol, make sure to get her the "asstodon" boy shorts
 
:O :O
this has to happen.
 
user559633
god i wish my girlfriend liked metal
 
my wife doesn't. This just fits in my humour spectrum. I did propose over a Baconator. Because...well...I had to.
 
user559633
no that makes sense
 
@Ffisegydd: I understand your issue. I should have been clearer: test inputs are generated ONCE, and your success criteria are defined then. When you react to the test results (edit the code), you can still use your old test cases, if they still induce the same code execution path
 
7:21 PM
That's what I've done.
 
user559633
i've been trying to slowly warm her on it by introducing post-rock/instrumental rock
 
ok, I'm confused. "90% coverage" seemed to imply that you still needed inputs to induce certain code execution paths
 
@tristan like God Speed?
 
which kind of metal?
 
@AndrasDeak Aluminium
 
user559633
7:23 PM
@idjaw yeah, and caspian, russian circles, etc
 
I don't think I understand what you mean.
 
@tristan do you like explosions in the sky?
 
user559633
@idjaw yeah, they're pretty good -- going to see them live in september
 
nice!
 
user559633
have you heard the new album?
 
7:25 PM
ok, code is tested with a test suite of inputs. Each input induces a code execution pathway. You're (functionally) ready to deploy when (1) your expected outputs and observed outputs match up (2) when you've covered all feasible code execution pathways
 
Yes. 90% coverage is pretty damn good.
 
so when you said "90%" coverage, I interpreted that as "10% of the code execution pathways in my code remain untested"
yes it is
 
Yes.
 
@tristan talking about post-rock got me to look them up and I just discovered they came out with one. Currently listening to the first track.
 
user559633
my favorite track on it, disintegration anxiety is by far the best track on it, but mostly because it sounds like battles
 
7:27 PM
I was offering going to point out a way by which you could automate the generation of the test inputs so that you can induce the other 10% of the paths, without you having to trace the paths yourself, and figure out what inputs would induce them
 
user559633
i'd be surprised if you really like it -- there's a couple good moments on it, but i largely forgot it existed after a couple listens
 
I imagine it can be quite tricky to come up with tests that cover all execution pathways. Like if you've ever written a line that says else: raise Exception("This should never happen"), you're probably not going to be able to trigger that intentionally
 
of course, autogeneration does mean that you'll likely end up getting some weird numbers, but that should be ok
 
@inspectorG4dget I already know what I'd need to add though.
 
"This block only executes if the input is a number that proves the Collatz Conjecture"
 
7:28 PM
"This block only executes if compiled by someone pure of heart."
 
@tristan so far so good. I really like the guitar tracks
 
ahh! then never mind. I thought "nowhere near done" meant that figuring out the inputs to induce the last 10% was a difficult task
 
Ah I see, my mistake. The "nowhere near done" is just that I've got more features (and thus tests) to add.
 
gotcha. I see where I went wrong in my interpretation
incidentally, this is the solution I had in mind #shamelessSelfPromotion
 
I see the problem here. fizzy was in "give me sympathy for my situation" mode. g4dget was in "find a solution for the situation" mode.
 
user559633
7:32 PM
give it 110% test coverage. then write the test for your test coverage percentage.
 
$ cat sympathy | fizzy
 
Here, I'll correct the imbalance.
@Ffisegydd That sounds like a real problem. But I know you can handle it because you are a strong and beautiful person.
 
user559633
@inspectorG4dget noooo don't replace fizzy with sympathy
 
user559633
# this is a strong independent function that don't need no tests
 
7:34 PM
uh oh, there was a problem with that sympathy program:
 
I should make more gifs with cattes in them.
 
yanirs.github.io/tools/split-test-calculator/… may be of interest to some. Especially those looking to run a startup who might need to do some A/B testing.
 
user559633
:) thanks bb
 
Fizzy! Fizzy! He's our guy! He can do it, whenever he tries!
 
what the h*?
are people having a battle of the memes again
 
7:42 PM
nahh... I was just doing my part to correct an imbalance
 
the cats -- boobs equilibrium was at stake?
 
that cat is hurting my head
 
Keep on talking, it'll go away.
 
extra line
 
So, how about that sportball?
 
7:47 PM
(thank google for customization elements on the browser)
 
I'm >< this close to oneboxing the psychedelic wat gif
 
this is an extra line
catgoaway
go away catgif
 
user559633
too bad we don't have a way to move messages to a different room
 
catgif don't render us in a catatonic state
 
user559633
 
I know, right?
It's gone now anyway.
OH NO IT'S COME BACK!
 
oh that was easy
my colleauges are wondering why I'm laughing so hard
 
DSM
Ad blocking tools have unexpected uses.
 
on chrome: right-click -> inspect; right-click -> hide element
 
user559633
 
Do like me a bit of uBlock.
Ewww. Mozilla addons!?
 
user559633
can't wait for the next room meeting when someone's widow comes in to tell us one of the semi-regular members has epilepsy and he will no longer be coming around
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Gifs cure epilepsy, right?
 
Only if you play them backwards.
 
7:52 PM
"Cure" in the sense that the epilepsy will no longer be bothering them.
 
DSM
Yeah, only in the "if you cross the river" Delphic sense, I imagine.
 
heh
 
user559633
practical use of Scheme: succinct variable names
 
user559633
e.g. response_car, response_cdr
 
wouldn't it be (car response)?
 
user559633
7:58 PM
yes, but if i used an FP, i'd be writing a tutorial and not shipping a working product :)))))))))
 
user559633
in your face, set theory geniuses
 
DSM
We'll see who's laughing when my barcode exploration tool Brocade Quilt written entirely in Scheme gets bought out.
 
Brocade Quilt, eh? You brogrammer, you.
 
oh stop scheming so maniacally!
:P
 
DSM
8:07 PM
@Ffisegydd: yeah, "brocade" really makes me think of people inquiring of each other whether or not they, in fact, lift.
 
A brocade is an arcade for bros, aka a "gym"
 
DSM
Wow.
 
user559633
@DSM i'd be so excited for you if this happened
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd Uhh it's already called church, bro
 
user559633
bless us bro lord for these gains for which we are about to receive
 
8:13 PM
Bleh. Got a library which generates mathematical functions, I've got both the exponential curve, and the exponential distribution, what do I name them both?
 
user559633
brocade is like an arcade but every game is call of duty
 
user559633
exbronential
 
More like exBONEntial, amirite (iam).
 
user559633
tite bro tite tite tite
 
But seriously, any ideas?
 
user559633
8:15 PM
who would use it and when?
 
Mathsy people.
 
user559633
is this to speed up showing graphing approaches or regressions?
 
DSM
What two functions are you referring to? exp(x) and f exp(-f x)?
 
Yeah, so the "curve" is more general (Aexp(b*x + c) + d)
Whilst the "distro" is the typical pdf (lam*exp(-lam*x)).
 
Wow - that's gone quickly - will have been a mod for a year tomorrow....
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8:19 PM
Though actually the +c there is redundant, because maths.
 
DSM
I dunno, something like "(affine?) exponential function" and "negative exponential distribution" would work for me.
Could even put PDF in the latter explicitly, if you say neg-exp PDF everyone will know what you mean.
 
I was considering giving all stats functions the name <name>Distribution, but then HypergeometricDistribution becomes a bit of a mouthful.
 
DSM
@JonClements: pineapples for you!
@Fizzy: You could insist your users write everything in terms of Meijer's G. Then you'd only need one. ;-)
 
early happy anniversary Jon
 
DSM
Are you going to write up a "PuppyMod: Year One" review?
 
8:25 PM
woot! one on-campus interview and one more phone interview for adjunct positions :)
 
@DSM possibly not a good idea... I'd have to make something up other than "chased cats - ate biscuits"... :p
 
"The Jon Clements Story: How To Drop The Banhammer On Your Toes And Spend 7 Hours In A+E"
 
@Ffisegydd umm.... nah... I was fine - it just dented the ban hammer :)
 
user559633
congrats pup
 
user559633
you can ban me if that helps your user story. i haven't really been outside for weeks, so i'm essentially a cave troll. movie rules dictate i'd come back a younger blue holograph
 
8:28 PM
woof woof woof aroooooo! @JonClements
 
@tristan but you're our "cave troll" - you have a special place in our hearts (or cave...)
 
cbg, does anyone know how to save the state of a clicked checkbox in wxpython?
 
@Dominico909 garsh... ermm... call Jesus?
 
Tried that
says: "invalid number"
 
then I have no clue
 
8:40 PM
I figured it out
Thank you Jesus
 
did Satan help?
 
I wish
I just made it so that the value of checkbox is saved in a sql db and then if it's True the checkbox checks itself
check yourself before your wreck yourself
 
if you name your <project> Ralph, then you should check if Ralph before you wreck it Ralph
on that note, I'm a sleepy g4dget. I must go-go-g4dget-home to recharge
rhubarb all
 
good night
 

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