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11:00 AM
@poke 6.28 micros vs 427 ns for the bin+count
 
A £10mil start up with 10% share as CTO sounds good though
 
maybe I'll write a bug in python that we need popcount :d
 
@RowanKleinGunnewiek It's pretty dull, but good for that concept where the uber-programmer creates all the structures and the juniors fill in the blanks, because you can generate code from UML. I'm just not sure if anyone still believes in that bizarre way of working.
 
@AnttiHaapala ouch o.O
 
it is algorithmically very important but really slow to implement in python
 
11:01 AM
Trying to beat 427ns sounds hard. Have you got a test case - another candidate for my lunch break...
 
But your bin+count is in a separate function (for comparison reasons), right?
 
@JonClements I think you should do it, or I'll do it and give you equity in me
 
In [3]: bitcount(2**29 - 1)
Out[3]: 29
 
@Rowan how often have you found trigonometry useful in your life? :p
 
In [1]: %timeit bitcount(2**29 - 1)
100000 loops, best of 3: 6.28 µs per loop

In [4]: %timeit bin_and_count(2**29 - 1)
1000000 loops, best of 3: 428 ns per loop
 
11:01 AM
@JonClements hehe, I get ur point :P
 
ohops
 
right - need to get some paperwork out the safe and consider things... rbrb for now
 
@JonClements :)
 
@poke the sad thing is if Python had that op builtin it would be <42.8 ns :P
 
yeah
 
11:03 AM
in my algorithm it would correspond to more than 50 % speedup
 
Maybe create a C module?
 
hehe this is just a programming competition
 
Even more reasons to do it then!
 
can get a drone, this is actually not that important but I hate the bin().count()
1 file task, not something to do a C module :D
maybe I could write the whole stuff in C but nah.
the time is not important actually
 
@antti stackoverflow.com/questions/9829578/… Get gmpy seems to be the opinion...
with your initial method second best.
 
11:09 AM
yeah, will do that
 
@JRichardSnape I’m impressed how this is exactly Antti’s problem.
 
anw, this should be in python :D
 
In [11]: %timeit popcount(a)
10000000 loops, best of 3: 81.5 ns per loop

In [12]: %timeit bin_and_count(a)
1000000 loops, best of 3: 434 ns per loop
gmpy is superfast
 
It’s C.
 
11:16 AM
Ah well, back to @poke's game for lunch for me then. Interesting that the question is exactly the same - somewhat supports the claim that it should be in Python core...
 
@PM2Ring well it booted freaking fast in virtualbox :)
Flip it reboots in about 3s
 
Nice!
 
In a VM
Man it's so much faster than ubuntu in a vm
Like...crazy fast
 
However, it can be a bit slow to shut down when running from a USB stick, since you have to save a large-ish file to the USB. But saving the save file to a normal HD is fine. Some people even save the save file to a writeable CD (i.e. a normal CD-ROM that hasn't been closed).
 
Blimey I'm definitely not there yet :)
 
11:30 AM
As I said before, Puppy's a great way to give old slow hardware a new lease of life.
 
Yeah, very cool
 
@JRichardSnape I like Kernighan's algorithm. I wonder how fast it is. And I guess the one that uses a precomputed 16 bit table should be pretty fast, too, if you use an array.array for the table, assuming that you're doing lots of conversions so you don't need to worry about the overheads of computing (or reading) the table.
@RobertGrant Glad you like it!
 
Hey cool, that was my idea as well
@PM2Ring I stopped because I don't have time now for the vagaries of getting networking to work through virtualbox and a proxy
But thanks - I'll play more soon!
@PM2Ring they should market it as an IoT OS :)
 
@RobertGrant Fair enough, that sort of thing can get a bit messy. Even though I don't use Puppy every day I still feel obliged to promote it because it's been so useful for me as a rescue system.
 
Yeah it's just I can't remember where I have to configure stuff. Much easier when I'm on a direct network
Get it working there, then if I bring it here and it breaks it's simpler to diagnose
 
11:44 AM
@RobertGrant Maybe. :) OTOH, there are smaller Unix-like systems available. IIRC, the entire filesystem in my ADSL modem is around 6MB. True, it's not exactly a full-featured system, but it uses BusyBox so most of the standard *nix commands are there.
 
Yeah true; I think puppy also uses that
Although probably in userspace, not as a complete system
 
@RobertGrant Puppy uses BusyBox for booting, but I'm pretty sure that the full-fledged GNU commands are available once you've booted.
 
Bah! starts VirtualBox
Oh yeah it's Bash. Don't know where I saw busybox
(I mean the console's bash, so it can't all be busybox)
 
11:59 AM
Glitch with python code? Wrote != when he should have written ==
 
morning everyone
 
@corvid cbg
 
Looks like nobody but me noticed the and/or problem... They need to brush up on their De Morgan's laws.
"until candle == True and name != undefined" is not equivalent to "while candle != True and name == undefined"
 
de Morgan's laws? Like the ones from discrete mathematics course?
 
12:14 PM
The ones that say not(a and b) == not(a) or not(b) and vice versa
Unrelated topic. Lately, whenever I write a function for a project, that doesn't categorically fit nicely into any existing source file, I stuff it in a util.py file with the rest of my "utility" functions. Is this good design? (Y/N)
Real life example: I just wrote this:
def try_load(filename, default=None):
    try:
        with open(filename) as file:
            return json.load(file)
    except IOError:
        return default
 
Only thing I'd say is if utils.cs is very generic stuff (e.g. I used to make one in Java to join strings) then you might want to have a separate file for project-specific utils that aren't so reusable
Because then after a while you can go through your projects' utils.cs files, find the best common bits and make a separate lib of utils or something
 
oops, wrong extension. s/cs/py
Anyway. I'm not feeling terribly inclined to create a json_extension.py file just for this one function.
 
But I think the discussion about where to put stuff that doesn't have an obvious place probably isn't the most useful one; you can always refactor later :)
 
@Kevin I occasionally do that, it doesn't scale too well usually tbh
 
@Kevin Well, it's traditional. :) C has stdlib, which is fairly miscellaneous. And if you notice that you do have a family of related functions in misc then they can be split off into their own module. Disclaimer: I rarely write anything big enough in Python to worry about such issues.
 
12:28 PM
If I was made of time, I would do a survey of popular and stable open-source projects to see if they have a miscellaneous file.
 
If this isn't for private use, then it wouldn't be so nice to have a misc module that may lose items in the future.
 
Users all complaining that their projects broke because they depend on KevinsProject.util.try_load existing and being in that particular spot
 
@Kevin You could replace it with a function that prints a deprecation warning and then calls the new try_load.
 
KevinsProject.priv.util
@AnttiHaapala I forgot what that problem with fullauth was; was it that he was hardcoding the pyramid_mako thing into his view, or something else?
@AnttiHaapala I got pyramid_layout working, so it renders the mako anyway, but just for completeness, because the guy said he'd like to fix it
 
12:57 PM
This works for classes too, since a function can return a class instance. Eg
**qt_new.py**
class foo(object):
    def __init__(self, name):
        self.name = name
**qt_old.py**
def foo(*args, **kwargs):
    print 'Warning: %s.foo is deprecated, please use qt_new.foo' % __name__
    from qt_new import foo as new_foo
    return new_foo(*args, **kwargs)
qt_new
**test.py**
import qt_old
f = qt_old.foo('hello')
print f.name
**output**
qt_old.foo is deprecated, please use newmod.foo
hello
 
Smart
 
@RobertGrant I think he ought to have a proper mechanism that would just take the name of the template to render for each of these cases...
so it could very well be .jinja or .tk or whatever :D
and also not requiring django for all
 
Sorry, that qt_new line just before **test.py** is a typo.
 
aah
i thought I forgot something
 
why doth thou torment me so Node.js?
 
1:01 PM
Django?
 
I'd rather use a python serverside framework with angular front end :\ those usually work out really well
 
Waits for an RO
 
We need a bot to post this automatically: sopython.com/chatroom
 
@Katherina moi ca va
 
ok :(
 
1:04 PM
The more I look at them, the more I like HTML's valueless attributes
Something satisfying about the fact it's more compact than XML. And that it's not XML.
 
what is your best perf for counting bits @RobertGrant ?
 
Dunno, why?
 
because I would like to give my own version and I would like to compare
 
To be honest, for me bit counting perf is more of a "third date" question
But seriously, I didn't write it, I just suggested a precalculated table
 
what do you mean by third date question ?
 
1:10 PM
Antti had some perf measurements
 
@corvid I was thinking that the other day. Thinking about whether that would be easy for R.A.B.B.I.T. to do.
 
2 hours ago, by Antti Haapala
In [1]: %timeit bitcount(2**29 - 1)
100000 loops, best of 3: 6.28 µs per loop

In [4]: %timeit bin_and_count(2**29 - 1)
1000000 loops, best of 3: 428 ns per loop
 
@Kevin It seems like Caprica 6 in the JavaScript room is pretty good at it
 
I guess it's not too hard: scan incoming messages for stackoverflow urls; follow them to determine the author; if the author is the same person as the person that posted the link, and the post is younger than X time, and the person is not a trusted user: ping them with a quote of the rules
 
oh it's @AnttiHaapala question
 
1:13 PM
While we're at it, let's write a regex for "anyone know [technology]?"
 
Surely this is a job for nidiba nidaba @Ffisegydd's thing
 
I wonder if users will feel less like they're being picked on if they're interacting with an automated process.
Then at least it's apparent that it's nothing personal.
 
where what when who how?
 
@Nakkini Please don't link to your recent SO questions - give it at least 1 day.
 
@Ffisegydd We need to analyze questions to determine whether they're allowed to be posted in here.
 
1:15 PM
Hello! My mighty machine brain has detected a fleshling's transgression! I am deleting your message, and directing you to the fleshrules.
 
Ah yeah.
 
Do some sentiment analysis to it or something.
 
Something like that?
 
Surely you could just check the date and tags. If it's too new or not python then maybe have rabbit say so.
 
Hello! Your question is too full of sentiment. Please butch up.
 
1:16 PM
anyone know any radio services that are good for more esoteric and weirdo tastes in music? Been trying to find one for a while now.
 
@Ffisegydd I guess so, but where's the fun if we don't make it needlessly complicated :-)
 
@XavierCombelle the best is the gmpy / gmpy2 popcount, the second best is counting '1's in binary representation of teh string :(
 
Argh I have a form which has an input with name="start", and the function that receives the post can't find something called 'start' in the post data
 
@RobertGrant check get :P
 
Of all the rappers' names, the one that describes this best is Ludacris.
@AnttiHaapala matchdict, so should cover both?
 
1:21 PM
no
matchdict does not have anything to do with post, get
it is "params"
 
Oh DUH
matchdict is get
Ish.
 
Yeah I got confused between the two. Thanks.
 
@RobertGrant matchdict is a really bad name :D
 
1:23 PM
(AOB∞: If anyone's worried about calling people trash, why not rename the room to The Rotating Knives?)
 
An idea for a dumb web app; translate common operations in specific languages to other languages. Like sum(my_generator) in python to _.reduce(my_list, function (memo, number) { return memo + number }, 0) in javascript
 
@AnttiHaapala yeah this is one place where Laravel does well; it supplies the restful params automatically, and if you want it to can use them as IDs and get objects themselves automatically
 
That would cut down on SO questions of the form "Convert this <language A> program into <language B> for me"
Charge a buck per conversion and let the desperate students' money flow
 
@RobertGrant that's what is was originally, but people thought it would be confusing. We can't win.
 
1:26 PM
Ah :)
I just suddenly remembered that from the AGM; not bothered myself
If you want to amp up the humiliation, you could call it The SOPython Blooper Reel
 
I want to minimize the number of users that flip out
 
@corvid one of the things I want to do with shanty is auto-check if a question is too new, trash it, and post the rule
 
@RobertGrant ... pyramid can do that too, not out of the box though, I wouldn't like it :D
 
@davidism Shanty?
 
1:31 PM
SE Shanty, as in Stack Exchange Shanty
 
can it also be programmed to sing sea shanties?
 
A pun on sea shanty
 
If anyone can come up with a good shanty about Stack Exchange, I need one for the readme.
 
Yo ho ho and a bottle of cabbage
 
Three sheets (of homework assignments) to the wind
 
1:33 PM
Puns are a sign of intelligence
They're also a sign of social incompetence
:P
Let's nix the puns
 
@AnttiHaapala I created super bit count

def fact(size):

bc = [bitcount(i) for i in range(2**(size))]
mask = 2**(size)-1
def sbc(n):
assert n>0
c = 0

while n>0:
#print(c,hex(n))
c+=bc[n&mask]
n>>=size
return c
return sbc

sbc= fact(8)

https://gist.github.com/xcombelle/565627839bcc0ecdd0ec
sorry for formating @AnttiHaapala
 
@XavierCombelle nope, I tried that too
everything is at least slightly slower if not much more than bin(i).count('1')
 
what even is the difference between OpenID and OAuth?
 
@AaronHall I don't think I could physically prevent myself from all puns. I may spontaneously combust if not restrained from all punning
 
@AnttiHaapala oh I did not compared you are right
 
1:41 PM
@Antti ah thanks - we forgot about RO for that room :p
 
Kay so question of practice... is it better to reject a subscription on the server and handle it on the front end, or to not deliver any data and just render the page differently without any data?
 
@PM2Ring did you sign up to trello okay?
 
@AnttiHaapala Was there much difference when using precomputed tables of different sizes?
 
@AnttiHaapala C wins
 
@JonClements Oops! I had a brief look at it the night you mentioned it to me, then promptly forgot about it. Sorry. I'll do it tomorrow - I hope to have an early-ish night tonight.
@JonClements I was worried there for a minute. :)
 
1:45 PM
?
 
I had problems when I tried to move a message to Rotating Knives, so assumed I was doing something dumb. :)
 
@AnttiHaapala 20% faster

def fact(size):

    bc = [bitcount(i) for i in range(2**(size))]
    mask = 2**(size)-1
    def sbc(n):
        #print(c,hex(n))
        c=bc[n&0xFFFF]
        n>>=16
        c+=bc[n]
        return c
    return sbc

sbc= fact(16)
 
@XavierCombelle I wonder if there's a commonly available .so / .dll that provides a bitcount function. OTOH, as Antti mentioned it'd make sense to have it part of Python.
 
@PM2Ring ok. it is just urgent problem. I will set a bounty for it when the system allows me
 
Ugh my UI code is a big pile of mud
Why can't my users just do everything on the command line, like normal people.
 
Ok @davidism I signed in.
 
can you see the ro board?
 
What shall we do with a , what shall we do with a EARLIY IN DA MORNIN
 
Well now that tune's in my head
 
@davidism What should the target be?
 
1:55 PM
@corvid > early
 
Erly
 
@Kevin I voted already, just removed the auto-comment so I don't get in a discussion with the user again
 
it had to be a phonetic Irish accent
 
Earl, I
 
notice at the bottom where he says "and now I'm getting a 404", it's the same exact code and question as the new one
 
1:57 PM
I had a joke fall as flat as possible yesterday. A deaf girl asked me if it was a pun.
 
I was just going to ask if that's the same user you had a protracted comment exchange with yesterday. OBvs yes
 
@davidism Yes. It's got a nice astronomical background.
 
@QuestionC I don't get it
 
@PM2Ring add your contact/timezone details (you can leave out stuff like your real name if you don't want people to know)
 
That wasn't a joke. It really happened.
 
2:00 PM
so, uh, anyone going to cv-pls that exact dupe?
 
But why is her deafness important? Surely that's amazing if she could tell it was a pun without hearing it
 
@Nakkini is it that your urgent question ?
 
She could tell I was telling a joke but couldn't figure out what was funny about it.
 
0
A: OpenCV: Face detection taking advantage of a command line

Xavier Combellesomething like this should work import numpy as np import cv2 cap = cv2.VideoCapture(0) while(True): # Capture frame-by-frame ret, frame = cap.read() # Our operations on the frame come here gray = cv2.cvtColor(frame, cv2.COLOR_BGR2GRAY) # Display the resulting frame c...

 
Like a stake through the heart man.
 
2:01 PM
@davidism Rightio. But I'll do it tomorrow.
 
@davidism Just convincing myself it is - don't like to CV anything I couldn't defend on my own (i.e. without reference to authority, even when it's obviously expert)
 
@XavierCombelle yes it is. I commented you. Thank you very much.
 
@XavierCombelle I need 29 bits :P
cannot calculate a 29-bit lookup table :D
ah indeed you didn't have :D
@XavierCombelle when I tested there was no noticeable speed difference between the 2 really, and I'd still have to have the other function :D
 
Is there a way to put named args into a list/tuple/dict/etc before passing them to a function?
Er, keyword args.
 
dict?
 
2:07 PM
kwargs is a dict, isn't it?
 
morgan: my_func(**{'foo': 42, 'bar': 666})
 
So if I pass **my_dict to a function that takes kwargs, it should work?
 
unless you get unexpected keyword arguments :)
 
Awesome, thanks.
 
2:10 PM
@AnttiHaapala You don't need to. With Xavier's function you can compute a smaller table, eg 8 bits. Or maybe use a 15 bit table and unroll the mask loop.
 
cbg…
 
blah... hate doing payroll... hate hate hate
 
Babbage poke
 
Rbrb
 
Ah. I just noticed that Xavier's posted two code snippets, the first one lets you specify the table size & does the masking in a loop. The second one has unrolled the loop, but it needs to use a 16 bit table (I think).
 
2:22 PM
@PM2Ring yes you are right, the second one is optimized as it unroll the loop and use constants to win precisous ms
 
@XavierCombelle You should remove the argument to fact() in the 2nd version, since it has to be 16. FWIW, a solution using a 16 bit table was linked to earlier.
 
@PM2Ring a lots of thing could be done to improve the code
 
Here's the link: stackoverflow.com/q/9829578/4014959 Paolo Moretti's answer has code with a 16 bit table.
 
four years in college for computer science and I still have no idea what half the features on my email client do
 
Do you want POP or IMAP? No big deal, it will only go on your permanent record and set the course of your entire life
You have thirty seconds to decide, and you can't use Google.
 
2:43 PM
I want IPOP.
 
@PM2Ring my solution is a fastest than Paolo's solution because it doesn't use global variables and moreover makes one less bit mask
@Kevin IMAP
 
Ok, if that's your choice... Sighs, crosses Ffisegydd and Xavier off of his "potential protégés" list
 
DSM
Back-from-several-days-of-Java cabbage for all.
 
Cbg DSM, all good? Did you hit your deadline?
 
DSM
Ehh, we're going to have something to present this afternoon. All of the pieces are there, but architecture decisions made by someone not me -- and who could done with a dose of the Zen, namely "flat is better than nested" and "simple is better than complex" -- have caused a lot of headaches.
About 28 work-hours over the last two days, which is far more than my usual.
 
2:54 PM
D:
 
DSM
@Ffisegydd: oh, I'm just reading through the star list. Congratulations on the offer, regardless of whether or not you accept -- good to see someone in the Real World shares the sense you're ready to make the leap. :-)
 
Ta chuck. Waiting to hear back from offers next week before making my final decision.
 
JavaScript is so bizarre sometimes :\
 
Ooh baby, (ooh baby) / It's making me crazy, (it's making me crazy)
 
What GUI frameworks do people recommend for Py3 these days? Ideally one with good tutorials, because I've never done any GUI stuff in Python before.
 
DSM
3:05 PM
@corvid: I've been playing with ES6 and 7 lately. It's starting to feel more like a language to me..
 
Use Tkinter, not because it's good, but because I'm trying to climb up the "top answerers" list and I need confused users from which to squeeze rep.
 
@DSM that's what I've been noticing lately. Pure plain javascript is kind of a pain though
 
@Kevin I mean, I like the idea of giving you rep.
 
Me too. Win win!
 
I've been looking at the QT framework, is that one any good?
 
3:08 PM
People seem to like it.
 
cbg
 
I can't really tell if this is a bad pattern or not: creating a dictionary to parse json, and passing functions for how to handle each key matching a string
 
I hope that's a good pattern because it's what I do. =)
 
If I'm writing a GUI to an existing script, should I separate the GUI code from the script itself?
 
That's usually what I do.
Sometimes it's a pain in the butt, though, since you may need to write extra glue code that you wouldn't otherwise need.
 
3:15 PM
It depends on how heavy the underlying code is, but in general that's the good practice.
 
Ex. I have a project that has a 2d collection of values, and a Window that represents the values. I had to write an event-passing thingy so the collection class could inform the window class whenever a value changed.
 
Would it be a terrible, horrible, no good idea to have the GUI just do subprocess.call() to the main script with the right args?
Because all the GUI is doing is letting the user set the args on the script without needing to use the CLI.
 
I don't see a problem with it.
 
I would rate that "not best practice" but not "unforgivable"
 
Worst case, if I need the GUI to do more things, I can just go back and actually write the glue.
But for the moment it's more important to get this working quick.
 
3:18 PM
That seems a pretty reasonable thing to do.
I've pretty much done the same for analysis scripts before now.
 
It's very UNIX-y
 
I also really want to change from ArgParse to Click at some point, just don't have time at the moment. :/
Also, the argument name for the built in help function is called "with_a_twist". Don't know why that's relevant, I just noticed it and it amuses me. :P
 
I have an error, who able to help me, thanks
 
Running help(help) in the interactive prompt is tantamount to reaching the "wait, what?" box in this XKCD
 
3:26 PM
"This is a wrapper around pydoc.help (with a twist)."
 
But they don't actually tell you what the twist is.
 
have feedback form with 2 line radio button in the original feedback.html display all radio selectors but when I add the feedback page as include the radio selectors not display is that clear tas question what is wrong?
 
Sounds complicated. I think we'll need a Minimal Complete Verifiable Example for this one.
 
@Kevin I know, I was hoping they would.
 
can I send the image here to show the error?
 
3:32 PM
Sure.
 
/home/alfa/Downloads/feedba.PNG
ups how to add an image here?
 
Try the "upload" button.
 
any idea please?
where is upload button @Kevin
?
 
Next to send
On the bottom row
 
Depending on your rep you may not be allowed to
 
3:34 PM
unfortunately I haven't this button I am very new here
 
In that case, you'll have to go to imgur.com and upload it there.
 
it's two images
 
No obvious cause that I can see. Yep, I need an MCVE to continue.
 
can you see the images? @Kevin
?
 
3:38 PM
To clarify: I can see the images, but I can't see (metaphorically) the cause of the problem.
 
> but when I add the feedback page as include the radio selectors not display is that clear tas question what is wrong?
.. what is the problem
I am having trouble deciphering that.
 
so... if you have a library which simply extends another library, does that usually work if published?
 
and how did I get to the python room ??
 
I interpreted it as "when I add [some particular element to] the feedback page [and] include the radio selectors, [they do] not display [properly]"
 
3:40 PM
so you've not included the CSS bits
 
I have created in django and include css and js
 
@DilMac I see radio buttons on that feedback form.
 
<script src="{{ STATIC_URL }}js/jquery.feedback.js"></script>
<link rel="stylesheet" href="{{ STATIC_URL }}css/jquery.feedback.css" media="all">
 
well it appears the css isn't being applied
 
both liked to feedback.html when I open the feedback page you can see all radio but whenI include 'feedback.html' to base file the radio not visabile
if the css not appears than the all layout should be as orgiginal feedback.html
 
3:45 PM
OK, I deserve some sort of medal: stackoverflow.com/questions/30379160/…. Created an entire project for that awful dupe, just to prove it works.
 
You're a champ :-)
 
Well done. I was suckered in 'cause I couldn't see it was an exact dupe. Heroic work on your part. At least it prompted me to install Flask as I'd only used Bottle playing about with web in Python. So, I've gained something.
 
stackoverflow.com/q/30396096/400617 trust me, it really is a dupe, I just created a whole project to prove it
 
I'm very pleased to say the app I created looks almost identical to yours. Proving only that I can read the docs and the OP can't, I think. Now CV-d
 
Yeah, op is astoundingly dense.
 
3:51 PM
in in in in in in in in
who can tell me what I've been doing?
 
I suspect it's project setup that is really confounding them.
 
@AaronHall Answering old questions
What you always do
 
Great guess, but wrong.
in
 
You've developed an 'innate' sense of punnery?
 
in
in
in
in
 
3:52 PM
@AaronHall You went in to jail?
 
cont
 
you're trying to get kicked for spam?
 
back
next
 
thank you for that, appreciate your patience, however I get the same 404 error with your code. — gbhrea 16 secs ago
 
I've unfortunately been using the debugger.
stepping through the standard library until I figured out where I went wrong.
 
3:54 PM
I've never actually used PDB. I feel like I should learn that.
 
It's a last resort.
Not a best practice
 
I just use pyCharm's debugger.
 
BTW @davidism - didn't you need the trailing / correction I found? I found I did get a 404 without it (but I'm on Windows rather than Linux - may explain)
 
what, it doesn't use pdb?
 
Maybe it does. But it's got a wrapper around it.
 
3:56 PM
Rhubarb!
 
@JRichardSnape no, it doesn't make a difference
 
DSM
Rhubarb with a side of cabbage for poke.
 
Thank you! ;)
 
@MorganThrapp I think that's most likely
 

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