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2:00 PM
So I guess I need to nix non-strict mode. What a pain, for both me and my users :-(
 
@Kevin when IPython encounters a line that is indented (so the next line could conceivable be in the indented block) it assumes that the next line is in the block. If you then press enter again (so effectively leave an empty line) it ends the block. Could you not do something similar? So when you press enter without a ; it assumes that you're going to enter more text, but if you enter an empty line you go back and automatically add in the ; and parse as usual?
 
Completely altered my answer after finding RegexObject.groupindex and MatchObject.re :-P
 
So if we mock up two examples of what a KSREPL could look like it'd be...
 
@AnttiHaapala ASI is evil and should be killed with fire. Writing Javascript without terminating every statement with a semicolon is just <s>insane</s> asking for trouble.
 
>>> x = foo()
... .bar()
... .baz();
>>>

# or

>>> x = foo()
... .bar()
... .baz()
...
>>>

# or

>>> x = foo().bar().baz();
>>>
 
2:05 PM
@Kevin so pascal mode
 
@PM2Ring There are other opinions about that.
 
pascal uses ; as the statement separator so within a block the statements are separated with ;
 
(I also use semicolons)
 
@Kevin pascal:
statement-list:
   statement
   statement-list ; statement
where statement can be an empty statement.
 
@poke Sure, but they're wrong. :)
 
2:10 PM
@Ffisegydd I think this is possible, although I may need more special case logic. For example if the user does x = function(){\n\n, then clearly he's not done with his code even though he typed a blank line
 
Seriously though, leaving out the semicolons and letting the JS interpreter to guess where your statements end is unnecessarily sloppy, IMHO. I did it when I was first learning JavaScript, but after getting mysterious bugs I learned the error of my ways.
 
So I guess I could do, if last line is empty and parsing it doesn't raise an "expected [thing], got end of file instead", then assume the user is done, otherwise continue
 
@PM2Ring There is no guessing involved.
 
@AnttiHaapala I don't think my parser works on symbols that can turn out to be empty strings.
I forget if this is a restriction of LALR parsers or if I was just too lazy to make my grammar-reading code recognize "epsilon" as a special value
 
@Kevin in IPython's case that'd stop it anyway (and if you had something like a try with a missing except would obviously throw an error). You could always have a special case for braces though (and I think that'd be best from a UX POV).
 
2:14 PM
If I can use semicolons as separators in a way that doesn't require epsilon, then I would consider doing it
 
@Kevin hmm? yacc is a lalr parser generator, and certainly can do empty statements
 
@AnttiHaapala But as you said, Pascal treats ; as a statement separator, in contrast to C family languages that treat it a statement terminator. And you don't need to use a separator at the end of a block, since that's clearly marked, anyway. (But it's been a few decades since I last wrote in Pascal).
 
@Ffisegydd My biggest UX concern is making it easy for the user to bail out of a halfway-written program. I'm occasionally aggravated in the Python REPL when my parentheses mismatch and I can't get out of "..." mode and back into ">>>" mode
without intentionally causing a syntax error or whatever.
 
Ctrl+D/C (can't remember which one) then.
 
2:16 PM
Did I say LALR parser? I meant LR parser.
It has fewer letters, and is therefore more primitive.
 
@Kevin though the wikipedia says LALR is also bad for producing meaningful error msgs
 
Yeah, if I wanted beautiful syntax errors I'd be doing recursive descent
 
"Look-Ahead LR parser is a simplified version of a canonical LR parser"
Recursion in YACC comes in two flavours: right and left. Left recursion, which is the one you should use most of the time, looks like this:

commands: /* empty */
|
commands command
@Kevin you just are wrong :d
 
Wrong that LALR doesn't accept epsilon? Agreed. Wrong that recursive descent can produce meaningful error messages? I'll take your word for it, because I haven't tried it myself and don't want to
Hmm, maybe I can keep non-strict mode if I implement it in a non-dumb way
 
2:32 PM
don't
javascript is a good example that such thing is a mistake
if you do that in KS, I sincerely hope it will never be popular :d
 
Hello. If a variable displays me something like this: (1,2,3,4) : is this variable a list or something else ?
 
tuple
 
thank you
 
To be clear, the one and only time I want ASI to apply is if the user leaves it out of the very end of the program. print 1 \n print 2 will still be a syntax error.
 
2:40 PM
so
the pascal production :d
 
Yeah
 
@AnttiHaapala you said it is a tuple, but when I run print myVariable[0] it displayed the first element of it: does this mean it is an array ? because arrays works this way
 
@Kabyle read the docs Antti linked.
 
tuple is a Sequence
a Sequence s supports len(s) and indexing by integers in range(0, len(s))
 
@Ffisegydd sorry, yes, in his link it shows an example that is ok to display it like an array too
 
2:42 PM
list is not an array, tuple is not an array
 
Terminology nitpick: you almost never use arrays in Python, unless you're importing the array module.
 
a list is a mutable sequence is a sequence... a tuple is a sequence but not a mutable sequence.
 
thank you for the explanation. I need more exerices
 
hmm what should I say about that :d
 
2:51 PM
It's one of those "indeterminate" questions I keep seeing. You can only tell whether it's opinion-based if you already know that the answer is "no, there's no official definition"
If there was an official definition, then the question would magically be not opinion based, even though the question itself would be identical to the way it is now
This bothers me. In an ideal world, the OP should be able to tell if his question is close-worthy before he posts it.
 
Quantum SOnamics.
 
I guess it could be possible to avoid this problem if we had stricter standards for what constitutes "opinion-based". Right now, it does qualify as "answers will tend to be based on opinion", even though it's not explicitly asking for opinions.
Arguably, the fact that answerers will misunderstand and answer a question that wasn't actually asked, shouldn't be blamed on the OP.
The only answers to "is there an official interpretation of..." should be "yes there is" or "no there isn't", not "in my opinion, it means..."
(although now that I read the actual question, I see it says "agreed" instead of "official", which weakens his case. It shows that he's willing to accept community consensus and not just word of god)
 
Whee, a new day, a new IDLE bug
1
Q: Why they didn't work when I scrape the string in HTML by using beautifulsoup

GamblingGI want to scrape the tilte string "The Dormouse's story" in a HTML,using the beautifulsoup tool. #!/usr/bin/python # -*- coding: utf-8 -*- from bs4 import BeautifulSoup html_doc = """ <html> <head> <title>The Dormouse's story</title> </head> <body> <p class="title"><b>The Dormouse's story</b>

 
> the work-around is to use unicode() on the object
the work-around is to not use IDLE :-P
 
I want to copy only a certain part of a matrix to an other. let's say from . Is that possible in one line in numpy ?
 
3:08 PM
Almost anything is possible in one line in python except try-except.
 
Welcome to zombo.py! Anything is possible with zombo.py!
Start with "is it possible at all", for which the answer is (I don't know numpy) yes. Then maybe move on to "is it possible in one line". But one line's really not that important!
 
If the question is "is this possible in one line, and without the weird horrible tricks necessary to fake assignment and function definition/calls?", then I don't know.
It seems that "in one line" is code for "in a simple enough manner that it could be relayed to me in a single chat message"
Which is acceptable shorthand, because dang look at the longhand version, who has time to type that.
 
@davidism That too.
 
the question is: is it possible on one line without lambda
with lambda everything is possible on one line :d
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/28856882/… huge code dump, no indication of what the error is
 
All right, now we're getting somewhere
>>> function frob(){
...     print "Hello, REPL!";
... }
>>> frob()
... ;
Hello, REPL!
>>>
 
@Kevin are you sure you're not just writing javascript?
 
Although now I'm wondering how it parsed the function statement even though I left out the semicolon. This calls for a slog of a bug hunt
 
@Kevin you need clever names like "spam" and "parrot"
 
3:30 PM
@JonClements I'm at least 60% sure.
 
ahh gawd, wish I wasn't feeling so brain dead... this should be a piece of piddle
 
(I can't remember if I posted those two before, but they're both at 4 cvs now.)
 
Done and done.
 
3:49 PM
Unclear, although you could do "requires minimal code" if you squint
 
What does a spell checker have to do with users and license plates?!
 
bah... just realised why I've got a headache and feeling grumpy - forgot to eat yesterday sighs
 
:-(
 
Ah, speed checker, not spell checker. facepalm
 
:-)
 
3:55 PM
I need to check my reading speed.
 
If you define "spell checker" as "an algorithm which scans over a section of text and determines if it fits into one class of strings or another", then he does need a spell checker to distinguish British plate numbers from American.
 
What is the most annoying comment you ever got?
 
My KS interpreter has global state that pollutes the builtin namespaces of apparently independent instances, and I'm beginning to regret my design decisions
@ReutSharabani Generally, when the OP asks his third "one more thing..." question after I've answered all his previous queries
 
DSM
I miss hearing people say "check yourself before you wreck yourself".
Morning cabbage for all.
 
@Kevin I'm looking for the less standard ones. :D
But yeah that's frustrating as hell... You call them HVs I believe?
 
4:01 PM
Sometimes but not always. Some users just don't know the customary time to end one question and ask a brand new one elsewhere.
 
My favourite is "Thanks for answering my question. Unfortunately I posted an overly-simplistic example which bears no relation to my actual code, imagine comparing a toy car to a Bugatti. As such, the lovingly written Python code in your answer not only fails drastically, but nearly set my computer on fire. Here is my new example, it's 50x the size and all variable names and comments are in French. Please do the needful."
4
 
Agreed. That is a more aggravating sub-section in the general category of follow-up requests
 
I can accept, though not appreciate, follow-up Qs (oh one more thing...) but to post an overly simplified problem really gets my goat.
 
"But actually, the fire is sort of warm and comforting, so when you fit your answer to my new problem, could you keep the fire?"
 
Anyone know of a library that can read GIMP's .xcf format?
 
4:07 PM
@ColonelThirtyTwo gimp.org/docs/python might help
not sure whether it works with .xcf and whether it works that well either
or you could use gimp to convert the .xcf into some other format
 
Yea, it's basically the GIMP API, which requires GIMP to be installed.
 
@Ffisegydd I actually did this once :(
 
Them: "Your answer doesn't work. I got numpy.array does not support method len`" You: "my code works if you use it on actual lists, which is what you asked about in your question..." them: "I know, sorry. Please update your answer with working code"
Note the subtle blame shift there. Fix your broken code, answerer!
 
I think the second most downvoted question on SO is just that
 
@ColonelThirtyTwo there's always the spec and source for the format
 
4:15 PM
@ColonelThirtyTwo perhaps you can convert the files to openraster
 
@MartijnPieters you're too quick.
 
ooooooopsy - just put some chilli powder into a beef base in the slow cooker, and the top fell off, so I've put god knows how much powder into it :(
oh 50 grams...
nice...
 
A ninja is never too quick, nor is he too slow. He posts precisely when he means to.
 
I literally saw the question popping up and wrote the answer immediately and he beat me with all the markdown in place.
 
@JonClements Add 49 grams of nega-chili, for counterbalance.
 
4:24 PM
@Kevin won't that cause a chilli anti-chilli explosion?
 
@ReutSharabani I was done editing stackoverflow.com/questions/28858212/…
 
@JonClements Yes, but you can counterbalance that by adding 200 kilotons of anti-explosion.
 
user2555451
@MartijnPieters - The RE engine is smart enough to know that r'\t' means a tab:
 
user2555451
>>> import re
>>> s = 'a\tb\tc'
>>> print(s)
a b c

>>> re.split(r'\t', s)
['a', 'b', 'c']
 
user2555451
Although the r is redundant in this case.
 
DSM
4:26 PM
What? I'm looking at that and not believing it.
 
Serioustalk, I wonder if there's a seasoning or something that can cancel or reduce the chili flavor. I bet a master chef would know. "simple, just add a dash of ginseng" or whatever.
 
I was hoping not to write an XCF reader for something that's supposed to be a build tool. OpenRaster might be an option, if there is better library support for that.
 
why does your build tool involve parsing an image format that is basically for internal gimp use only?
 
So I can store my art assets as .xcf (or some other format that supports layers, etc) and flatten them automatically
Also, parsing hitbox/attackboxes from the image would be nice, too
 
You could probably write a plugin for gimp so that whenever you save an image, it outputs a png version and a bounding box spec as well.
 
4:30 PM
@iCodez ah, sure, I somehow read str.split().
 
@Kevin I doubt it, I don't think flavours really negate each other. You can overpower a dish with another flavour, sure, but the Capsaicin is still in there so will still burn your mouth.
 
So the artist works on one file, and gimp generates all the assets you'll need, then your build tool doesn't have to do it's own work later (when it doesn't have gimp available)
 
clearly needs more caffeine at this junction.
 
Then I'd have to either store all the generated assets in the repo (which I'd rather not do), or force the dev to open and save every file after cloning a repo
 
Just store the assets, it's not that big a deal.
Or use one of the large file extensions for git.
 
4:33 PM
@Ffisegydd Ooh, I know. @Jon could add another fifty pounds of meat, thus balancing the meat/spice ratio again.
 
That would be the only way I think. Adding more stock/other ingredients.
 
I can't really answer for you, you'll have to decide whether it's worth the effort to find/write a parser for the xcf format, or to just do it with gimp at the expense of a little more space in your repo.
 
In fifth grade science class, they explained that spicy food is better washed down with milk than other beverages, since it contains enzymes that deconstruct the spice molecule. Therefore, I suggest adding milk.
 
The Carolina Reaper is a cultivar of chili pepper of the Capsicum chinense species, originally named the "HP22BNH", bred by Ed Currie, who runs PuckerButt Pepper Company in Fort Mill, South Carolina, United States. As of 2012, it is officially the world's hottest pepper. The original crossbreed was between a Ghost Chili pepper and a Red Habanero pepper. The "Carolina Reaper" has been rated as the world's hottest chili pepper by Guinness World Records since August 07, 2013. It averages a 1,569,300 on the Scoville scale with peak levels of over 2,200,000 Scoville Heat Units (SHU). == See also... ==
 
Aw man, the ghost pepper has been dethroned :-(
I guess it makes sense that the grim reaper would have dominion over ghosts.
Coming up next, the "Azrael, Great Attactor and Death of Universes" pepper
 
4:39 PM
Then "Nyarlathotep, the Crawling Chaos".
(Side idea: if I ever write a website crawler, it'll be called Nyarlathotep)
 
can I ask out of topic question ?
 
Would suggest going to the correct room
 
no room about it
 
It depends. We have a lot of off-topic talk here but off-topic questions (such as "I need help with Java" or such) aren't as well received. Mostly because you'd get more help going elsewhere.
 
DSM
4:44 PM
If it's code-related, you might as well write up a good question and ask that on the main site-- will probably be less work than asking it here anyway, and more people will see it.
 
The answer is "if you have to ask, probably not"
 
it is about programming and psychology of humans. I want to know if a person wants to be very competent in programming he must not have family life like marriage, children and so on
 
No, don't even start some weird "debate" like that.
 
That's absolutely wrong, so...
 
Empirically no. I can think of a handful of users that both have high rep and a family.
 
4:46 PM
@Ffisegydd but I noticed if I keep 3 weeks without programming because of personal events then when I come back to program I do not remember lot of things
 
Did you miss the part where I said no?
 
Not at all. That's just a cultural stereotype.
 
@davidism why did you move my post? I mean, others were also answering.
 
see previous comment
 
DSM
4:48 PM
@davidism: I kind of agree here. I don't see why that comment was worth removing but the others above it aren't.
 
ok: to end it, because it was the first comment after I reiterated that we should end it
 
I think it would have better to simply say so rather than remove the post.
but I digress
 
2 messages moved from Python Trash - The Rotating Knives
@RamchandraApte I did say so, when I pointed out that I had said not to get into that sort of conversation.
 
anyway nvm
 
Programming talk time. I'm in despair because my REPL doesn't print the result of an expression. It only prints things if you use the print statement.
 
4:52 PM
@Kevin Python's REPL uses a dedicated compile mode.
 
Have it print everything that a function/whatever returns and have print return None (which isn't printed say?)
 
(to clarify, I mean my KevinScript REPL)
I can think of an ugly solution (transforming expression statements into print statements before evaluating the AST), but not a nice one.
 
so instead of eval and exec it uses single
 
Have it print "I did it!" after every execution.
 
which includes echoing the result if not None.
 
4:52 PM
Interesting.
 
>>> dis.dis(compile('1', '<stdin>', 'eval'))
  1           0 LOAD_CONST               0 (1)
              3 RETURN_VALUE
>>> dis.dis(compile('1', '<stdin>', 'single'))
  1           0 LOAD_CONST               0 (1)
              3 PRINT_EXPR
              4 LOAD_CONST               1 (None)
              7 RETURN_VALUE
PRINT_EXPR prints the top level of the stack unless it is None.
This differs from what a print produces (PRINT_ITEM and PRINT_NEWLINE).
 
Informative, thanks. That will come in handy if/when I refactor my AST evaluation logic to use a stack instead of the weird mess it is right now.
Hmm, the simplest solution will break if I decide to turn print into a function...
 
@Kevin Sounds like the quickest path forward is to hg clone https://hg.python.org/cpython/ at this juncture. :-P
 
@DSM are you part of our slack chat?
 
DSM
Eh?
 
5:02 PM
@MartijnPieters haha, that temptation is ever-present :-D
 
@davidism nope.
 
@DSM we have a room owner room on another site, but you need to be added by email address first
 
We originally had it for discussing sopython-dev stuff.
 
DSM
So we have this room, the trello board, and another room? That's a lot of places.
 
We don't use the other room much, it was a kinda failed experiment.
 
5:05 PM
I know it sounds like a lot, but the trello wasn't really good for real time conversations
 
Hey all
 
cbg
 
DSM
Cabbage for Martin.
 
what does that mean
:s
 
5:06 PM
lol alright nice
 
DSM
Someone obviously didn't read the chatroom rules.. :-)
 
Cabbage y'all
Yeah sorry for shame >_>
Anyway I'm trying to get virtualenv going
And I don't know how to activate my environment
$ source bin/activate is what I'm trying
 
I usually do . venv/bin/activate
 
. means the same thing as source in that case
@Martin what's the error you're getting?
 
No such file or directory
Oh I'm a green bean
 
5:12 PM
see what fizzy said, you created a virtualenv folder, you're not in it
 
Yeah I re-read the output of when I made it and now I get it
I make a folder that I do my development in, right? And that folder is like an isolated python environment?
 
It depends on your preference. I keep my envs in one place, separate from my project repos
Others put their env as a subdir of their project
Either way, the point is there's a dir for your project and for your env
 
Gotcha
 
You could technically create the env as the same dir as the project, but I think that gets a bit confusing
 
Well that certainly is smart
I kept thinking about how weird it was that I was installing these packages globally
 
5:16 PM
yeah, you should (almost) never pip install anything to the system python
let the package manager handle the system python packages
let the virtualenv handle your project's packages
 
@davidism I only ever pip install system wide lxml, pandas, scipy & numpy, because they're a right tomato to do for each virtualenv
 
Really? They compile in a few seconds for me.
 
DSM
That.. seems surprising.
 
I may have been exaggerating, now that I try it. :)
OK, I was completely wrong, based it off lxml, which is the only one I use regularly.
Hmm, pip install/setup.py seems to only use one core for compiling. It'd probably be a fair bit faster if I could bump it to -j9 on this machine.
 
I usually do "the stack" on a per venv basis.
But I also have them in global for generic use.
 
DSM
5:32 PM
I think I've mentioned before that there are about thirty or forty packages I need installed before I consider Python ready for use. I do those globally.
 
virtualenvwrapper has a cpvirtualenv command, so you could technically still keep them out of the system, but I've had mixed success over the years with the command actually producing a working copy
 
I system install lxml, pandas, numpy, scipy & matplotlib, then symlink the virtualenv to them
@davidism last time I checked, lxml took about 10 minutes to compile on sopython
and that's not exactly a slouch of a server
 
5:48 PM
That is one feature I'd like to see added to virtualenv, being able to include some packages from the global site, rather than just including or excluding all of them.
It just took 30 seconds on my machine, which is nothing particularly special.
But yes, I agree it's probably more handy to just symlink those.
 
DSM
Someday, someone will explain to me while people find while loops easier than for loops.
 
Non-representative sample. Even if only 0.1% of the general programming population prefers while over for, a disproportionate number of them will ask questions on SO.
(because most people that use for mostly know what they're doing, and thus have no need to post here)
 
cbg
 
6:05 PM
My program runs fine but after a bit
Warning (from warnings module):
  File "C:\Python34\lib\site-packages\matplotlib\pyplot.py", line 424
    max_open_warning, RuntimeWarning)
RuntimeWarning: More than 20 figures have been opened. Figures created through the pyplot interface (`matplotlib.pyplot.figure`) are retained until explicitly closed and may consume too much memory. (To control this warning, see the rcParam `figure.max_open_warning`).
 
DSM
Are you ever closing any figures?
 
I get that warning from in IDLE, I'm using matplotlib and PyQt4
 
I suggest closing some figures.
 
when should i close the figures?
 
When you're done with it.
 
DSM
6:07 PM
.. after you're done with them.
 
well they are displayed in tabs? :S
 
So, I guess, after canvas.draw.
 
oh okay :D
 
If your user interface has more than 20 tabs, it may be wise to redesign it
 
but that closes the figure straight away and doesn't display anything
nope, just 3 different figures
with 3 graphs
 
6:09 PM
I am curious how you could get a "more than 20 figures opened" warning if you only have three figures.
 
DSM
@Inthuson: as long as you want the figure to be visible, you can't close it. If you want to have a whole host of simultaneously open figures, you're probably better off saving to an image file and displaying that instead. If you want >20 fully-interactive simultaneous plots, then matplotilib may not be the best choice..
@Kevin: maybe leftovers from previous runs?
 
Perhaps you have three figures, then the user dismisses them, and later three more are created? In which case, close the figures after the user dismisses them.
 
yep
when the replot
it uses the same function
so maybe thats why?
 
Or, if you can't hang a callback on that event, have some "check for old figures, close them if you find any" logic at the top of the "create three new figures" code
 
what i mean, there is an update function which class the function with different values
i think that's just plotting over
okay @Kevin
 
DSM
6:12 PM
Your line figure = matplot.figure() opens a new figure, full stop. Every time that line gets called, you make a new figure.
Calling close("all") will close everything, although it's better style to keep a handle on the active plots and close them specifically.
 
@DSM thank you
 
Looks like DSM is winning this advice competition, because he actually knows how to use matplotlib, and I'm just pretending.
 
LOOL thanks tho still @Kevin
 
DSM
Really this is Fizzy's domain, but he's off not eating salad or whatever.
 
6:18 PM
Got a gold badge for my "asking user for input" post recently :-) never thought I'd ask a popular question.
It doesn't hurt that I link to it like every other day :-D
 
I've found this user who just seems to copy assignments and then asks for a review of her code. Should I just closevote the questions or flag one so a moderator can explain that this is not how SO works?
 
DSM
It's well-written. Especially the two points about why recursion and DRY violations are ill-advised.
 
Can't say I know the proper flagging etiquette there, @Carsten
 
DSM
@Carsten: huh. I'm not sure what the right play is either. I think I'd just CV as too broad.
 
I closed them all 4
@Carsten cv
they all are bad
 
6:22 PM
Oh, well, that settles it.
Thanks.
 
Already voted and left a chiding comment
That third one actually contains a question
 
that one i voted as opinion based
 
I'll go with "too broad" since there are lots of ways to implement repr
 
pistachio
yummy
 
6:30 PM
BBQ potato chips. Heart burn.
 
which one is best?
paid=int(input('How much did you pay? '))
or
 
What is best in life? To crush your enemies, and see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their women.
 
depneds on the currency
 
paid=input('How much did you pay? ')
if int(paid)>=100:
 
first one.
 
6:31 PM
use decimal
 
DSM
That is good! That is good.
 
unless you're asking about prices in vietnam dongs
 
Actually neither one is good because they choke when the user enters "$23.42"
 
DSM
6:33 PM
@Kevin: no, I was reffing Conan..
 
you want to probably say in exception that "the input '{}' that you gave does not parse as a currency amount"
 
@DSM Oops, I did not see what you did there. My bad.
 
Yeah, and maybe give some instruction not to include the currency symbol
 
add the currency in the prompt
 
Anyway, given the choice between the two, the first one is better because paid implies that the object is numeric. So it shouldn't store a string.
 
6:34 PM
"how many dollars did you pay"
 
yeah, something like that
 
DSM
Time to go savour the lamentations of the cooks at how boring my order is. Lunchtime cabbage for all!
 
100 vietnam dongs is not exactly much
 
What is it, like, a dollar?
 
eet smakelijk @DSM
 
6:36 PM
100 Vietnamese Dong equals
0.004681 US Dollar
 
I usually assume that a base unit of east asian currency is about USD $0.01. Works approximately well for the yen.
 
rmb and hkd are like 10x that
and together they're more important than the yen
 
close enough on an astronomical scale XD
1 yuan is 0.16 USD. Boy I'm way off
 
hkd can't do much since it's coupled to usd.
 
Back when I worked for an options trading company, I linked U.S. Economy Grinds To Halt As Nation Realizes Money Just A Symbolic, Mutually Shared Illusion to my coworkers and their reply was "yep, this could happen at any time"
 
6:43 PM
doubly so for bitcoins :D
 
are they still worth something? i think i have one or two lying around somewhere
 
So says google:
> 1 Bitcoin equals 283.50 US Dollar
 
uh nice
 
Hey, one or two is a nice windfall. Buy a round for the room, Mr moneybags
 
I really should get myself a bitcoin wallet.
 
6:45 PM
if i find them, i will
 
Any recommendations on converting Paypal virtual money to Bitcoin virtual money?
 
the logistics might get complicated, though
 
My only experience with bitcoin is watching from the sidelines with detached bemusement
If it crashes, excellent. If everyone becomes a millionaire, excellent.
 
@MartijnPieters Not with Paypal, but wire transfer or giropay: btcdirect.eu/nl-nl
 
But then you'll be poor with no Bitcoins, Kevin.
 
6:48 PM
@Carsten If I still had disposable money in a Dutch account, that'd be helpful.
But I don't live in the old Frogcountry anymore.
 
ah, wrong assumtion on my side, then
sorry for that
 
@QuestionC Ok, I admit I'll become less than pleased if everyone in the world except me becomes a millionaire.
 
@Kevin but wouldn't trickle down help you get some cents too :D
 
Unless all of the "end poverty" charities subsequently focus on me like a laser beam, catapulting me to trillionaire status
 

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