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4:00 PM
 
buh? I've never even heard of Eve Online ._.
 
sure you have, we use it as an example all the time of something big written in Python
 
nevermind that, dealing with kids and misread
rbrb all
 
@user939259 given that it seems to import and test the multiprocessing package, I'd guess yes: github.com/PyTables/PyTables/…
wait, nevermind, it's just showing how you can gate everything through a queue to avoid problems
 
I really want to like HDF5, but seriously, MPI for multiprocessing?
 
4:06 PM
yeah, they should be using zeromq!
 
Looks like they only have support for multiprocessing reads
Actually 0MQ would be less bad...transparent support for parallel writes would be nicest though
Any suggestions for efficiently reading/writing huge amounts of numeric data in parallel?
 
you have to lock/block at some point, what's wrong with their queue and pipe examples?
 
user4396006
A silly question, who is in charge of paying the domain/hosting bill for the community website?
 
DSM
We collect tolls from visitors who ask silly questions.
@user939259: unfortunately my datasets are well-handled by the HDF5 regime, i.e. datasets are only gigabytes big, and IO isn't a bottleneck, so I've never needed to push beyond it. :-/
 
Part of my current pipeline uses GNU parallel to kick off Python tasks with different parameters. I could use 0MQ or something like that, but that seems to involve a bit of code overhead and execution overhead (i.e., I have to make sure the consumer server is running with correct config, etc)
Also it's kind of like "yay you get all the speed of binary writing...oh btw you have to do expensive pickling to get it to your 0mq server"
 
4:14 PM
I'm pretty sure you can pass binary data directly through it, with some planning ahead of time.
 
I'm having a wierd problem with espeak library
from espeak import espeak
import time


def speak(text):
    espeak.synth(text)

speak("Hello Anonymous guy who abuses me")
 
Admittedly, haven't done much actual work with zmq, but the payload can be very simple header/data multipart messages
> Hello Anonymous guy who abuses me
wat
 
The script quits as soon as it says Hello
@davidism LOL!
 
Yeah 0MQ itself isn't the problem, but you still have to spend time serializing somehow to transport the data. There's no way to get a native binary representation of a list of numbers that you can just send over the wire right?
 
DSM
.. what were you expecting it to do after your program is done?
 
4:17 PM
It doesn't speak all the words
just one
 
I'm guessing synth is non-blocking, and the program exits and kills its subprocesses
 
DSM
Oh, you mean it only says "Hello", not "Hello Anonymous etc."
 
Yes
 
who here used mandrill? I want to see if there's a way to test web hooks on localhost
 
But if I add a time.sleep(10) it works
 
4:18 PM
@user939259 honestly not sure, and it's probably not worth it in your case, but I think there's a way to send raw data
sort of defeats the purpose of zmq though
@Wally then my guess was correct, the subprocess that's doing the talking is killed when the controller exits. There's probably some documentation about how to get it to wait.
 
@davidism Sorry I think I'm being unclear. You can definitely send raw data over ZMQ. And ZMQ still adds value because it's super-easy in Python. But...what data do you send if you want to send a list of numbers? You can cPickle, but picking/unpickling is pretty slow.
 
ah, I understand what you're getting at now
You'd probably use struct. Something at some point has to serialize no matter what (unless you're sharing memory).
 
hmmm struct looks promising, good idea
 
Funny Pyttsx used to work straight away. The docs just give simple code and the script quits if I use the snippets provided!
 
Maybe the devs tested their samples in a development environment that automatically adds a "Script completed. Press Enter to exit" prompt at the end. So they wouldn't notice premature termination.
 
4:33 PM
So basically I'm screwed
 
Or you can just add raw_input("Script completed. Press Enter to exit") to the end of your script.
Hard mode: interface with the Windows API (or whatever OS you're using), identify the name/handle of the process doing the speech synth, and sleep() in a loop until that process dies naturally
 
Hi people.
Hi Kevin
 
h!
or if my memory is correct CBG
 
/me hits head once again for stupidity
 
Dudes, i have a problem. If someone helps, i would be much appreciated.
 
4:37 PM
Does anyone else think that cabbages smell like farts?
 
@Wally I find it hard to believe that the library you're using doesn't offer the possibility to block until the call is finished. If it really doesn't, pick another library, there seems to be a bunch out there for espeak.
 
can anyone please refer me an advance python book only for networking, web server, database management and all that stuff....i am really fed up of reading book which start with basic and give a little taste of advance python at the end.
 
there are no books, just go out and do something
 
@Wally: No. Unless you have ate a lot of cabbage then fart. :D
 
try looking at a project that you like to see what they do
 
4:38 PM
OK
 
paper books are no longer a good way to learn programming
 
@user939259 then where should i head tooo? from now on?
 
@Wally: I'm happy that i have answered your Q.
 
@androidplusios.design Google the specific stuff you want to learn about. Read blogs posts / SO questions
 
ok....what about reading DOCS?
and using it/
 
4:40 PM
@androidplusios.design what specifically do you want to learn that you feel is lacking a relevant resource right now?
 
docs, like general documentation? Definitely good
 
server side scripting
in python
but i don't want to learn django
 
One question. Why Python docs seem hard at the first try?
 
This was closed as unclear, shouldn't we reopen it now?
 
first i want to learn how django is made using wsgi and all that
 
4:41 PM
ok, pick something smaller
 
@androidplusios.design Start implementing your own django clone, and search for help as you run into problems
 
Anyone know of a dupe target for this?
 
first of all, that's an incredibly broad, complex problem filled with historical context
 
Docs were very hard for me at the first glance, but after a while it got really easy.
 
Surprised that took four minutes to get an answer btw, seems like a straightforward itertools question
Maybe everyone has on their ignore list XD
 
4:43 PM
perhaps you start with "how does http work" then move on to "what does the wsgiref spec say" then take a look at how werkzeug implements the wsgiref, etc.
 
DSM
I personally have answered that two or three times. @Kevin
 
but then that means you need to understand how unicode works and why it is a pain to get right in an http context
all of those are topics on their own
 
@DSM: Hi dude
 
so of course you're not going to be satisfied with existing material if your interest is not well defined
@Kevin came across an interesting short story about artificial intelligence over the weekend: zompist.com/robot.htm
 
This user's profile says over ten years' experience in Node.js.. As per wikipedia, first release of Node.js happened only in 2009.
 
4:46 PM
Time traveler!
Oh, he's only joking :-) "O.K., not really" in the next paragraph
 
ugh, I dislike the fact that answers that correct the obvious typo pointed out in the comments get so many upvotes: stackoverflow.com/a/29351568/400617
 
Could you help me with how to approach this program? It's a program that does really basic image manipulation.

Basically, the program needs to load an image and...
1) When you middle-click the image, you can slide the image around inside the window.
2) You use left-click to draw a box on the image (this defines bounds for processing that happens when the button is released).

#1 is just killing me. Am I wrong for trying to do this with tkinter?
 
probably, but then Kevin will probably know how to do it
 
Air
@davidism Calling that a typographical error may be giving too much credit to the author of the question.
 
yeah, that's why I cvd unclear: the answer's right in front of you, what's the real problem?
 
4:49 PM
pfft for a language that is so cleanr, having to type "self." when calling another method is very very verbose.. Anyone knows why python chose this?
 
because the alternative causes even more problems
 
Air
It's definitely in the ballpark of the typo close reason though - resolved in a way that's not likely to help future visitors. Not that future visitors won't need help with the same thing, of course.
 
DSM
@paul23: you can see what the BDFL thinks about it.
 
@paul23 It's no more verbose than "this->" in C++.
 
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Q: What is the purpose of self in Python?

richzillaWhat is the purpose of the self word in Python? I understand it refers to the specific object created from that class, but I can't see why it explicitly needs to be added to every function as a parameter. To illustrate, in Ruby I can do this: class myClass def myFunc(name) @name = na...

 
4:51 PM
@QuestionC I have done relatively similar things to that. I'm pretty sure Tkinter can handle this. Dragging operations are a bit tricky in any GUI framework that doesn't have native support for them.
 
@user939259 but you don't have to type this-> when calling methods lol
 
@QuestionC your rep needs to get with the times, it's 2015 now ;)
 
So If you mean "am I wrong for doing this in Tkinter and not Qt?", I don't think so
 
Air
@paul23 The zen says nothing about "clean" but it has "explicit" right at the beginning. So, I guess that tells you something about the design philosophy.
 
@paul23 Yeah, but Python takes the stance that "Explicit is better than implicit"
 
4:52 PM
@user939259 .... tell that to the type conversion guys
 
@paul23 True
 
I'm also wondering how to do it, broadly. Like.... I know how to do this with windows bitmaps, but I desperately don't want to do the project in C.
 
type conversion? If you mean annotations, that's entirely optional and can be used as a form of static analysis
 
I'm a TK noob and the documentation my god. What's the equivalent to a fast blit operation?
 
@davidism I think he means duck typing
 
4:54 PM
Tk inter looks very bad on linux computers
 
but that is explicit, just not in the way he expects
 
I hate it!
*ugly
 
@user939259 indeed
 
@QuestionC I don't think Tkinter has blitting. You should probably be using a Canvas widget, which supports the rendering of primitive shapes such as rectangles, and also image data (but you'll need PIL or similar to load anything other than bmp)
 
on the other hand, it doesn't require a ridiculous backend infrastructure and will look consistent across machines
 
4:55 PM
And how is ducktyping more explicit than saying "anything without this or that decorator gets the "self" argument as first argument attached to it"?
 
I figured self was basically for the same reason you need global. Python likes to play it fast and loose with whether something's a new variable or an old one.
 
I love beer!
 
@QuestionC For #1, the design I'd go with is: create a mouse_clicked_position variable that keeps track of the coordinates on the canvas where you originally middle-clicked. (If you haven't middle clicked yet, I guess this should be None). Create callback functions for each of the events "mouse button down", "mouse moved", and "mouse button up".
 
I hate any non bitter alcaholic drink
 
4:57 PM
On mouse button down, update mouse_clicked_position with the current coordinates. On mouse moved, if mouse_clicked_position is not None, calculate the difference in position of the current mouse coordinates versus mouse_clicked_position. Call canvas.itemconfig(your_image_id) to change its position accordingly. On mouse button up, reset mouse_clicked_position to None.
 
yeah, speaking of beer, alcohol would make any ideological discussion of python more bearable
 
@davidism This is an internal tool. They can handle ugly. Hell, they should be thanking me for not making it command line.
 
@paul23 Cheers :-)
 
Air
@davidism Only if you announce "self!" to the room every time you take a drink
Unless you take a drink of someone else's beer, then you have to say their name first
 
If I say cls, the room has to drink.
 
4:59 PM
Actually coming from the C++ world, I didn't mind duck typing so much. The thing that drove me nuts about Python at first was no way to specify const
 
Imagine we all actually hang out in a bar :-)
 
Air
A salad bar?
 
If I say mcs, all rooms have to drink.
 
for foo in bar:
 
That's not a perfect analogy, but it amuses me.
 
5:00 PM
@Air I like the sound of it :D
 
DSM
Having lost far too much time wrestling with const in C++, I'm very glad we don't have it.
 
wut?
 
Air
@QuestionC Maybe fool is better in this context :)
 
meh I've only had good experiences with consting things
 
Air
I consted my dog once. Now he's immortal. Too bad I didn't wait until he was house trained.
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5:01 PM
self replaces explicit declaration. Like... if Python was like C++ and you had to int c; every variable, then you wouldn't need it because the compiler could just look for the closest legal thing to use.
 
@QuestionC, the process for #2 is quite similar. As before, have a position variable which tracks where the mouse was last left-clicked. As before, register callbacks for the three relevant mouse events. on mouse move, itemconfig the rect primitive so its size changes rather than its position. on mouse up, calculate the rect's final size, reset the position variable, and invoke your processing behavior.
And that's it! two variables, two canvas items, six functions.
 
@user939259 What I miss is related to duck typing - it's the fact you can't have (or have very ugly) overloads especially for constructors/copy constructing
@QuestionC I'm talking about the cases where you have to put def mymethod(self): self.othermethod() instead of: def mymethod(self): othermethod() #self is implied
 
Yeah the lack of ctor overload is kind of annoying too
 
Actually, there's a PEP for that: PEP 443 - Single-dispatch generic functions
 
for what david?
 
5:04 PM
overloading, essentially (it's different but similar)
 
Is self.othermethod() the same as othermethod(self)?
 
I forgot that Python had that :o
 
No, it's more like ClassName.othermethod(self)
 
DSM
@Fizzy: to be fair, it's recent. Historically I've just added staticmethods and got on with my day.
 
user4396006
@QuestionC In the first you are calling a method defined in the class, whereas in the second you are passing self to a function called othermethod
 
5:06 PM
I didn't realize the had implemented it yet: docs.python.org/3/library/…
 
Heck I would've made it so that if you DONT want to address something inside the class (so a global function from within a class) you have to specificy a global. or other keyword.
 
you should go write that language, it will be a good outlet for you
 
?
I'm not a godlike programmer lol
and what's the purpose of that?
 
I could hack that behavior into KevinScript in a couple hours. I don't want to though.
 
Air
Methinks the hint here is that you are not the first user to bring this up in this room.
 
5:08 PM
I prefer the chaos of being able to refer to anything in any of the visible scopes from the current function all the way up to the module level.
 
Well, it's just that you seem to have such strong ideas, and yet no real arguments for what you're asking. It's widely held that everyone should write at least a toy language at some point, so now's your chance. It will be very instructional.
 
Come join me on the Island of Misfit Toy Languages.
 
I don't program for toying
 
@paul23: explicit is better than implicit might appear to apply to global declarations, but it doesn't :-)
 
I program to get things done
 
5:09 PM
@paul23 you may be misunderstanding what I mean by "toy"
 
Which is why your on the SO chat room complaining about python's self? ;-)
 
Once your personal language is complete, think about how quickly you'll be able to get things done with it! Everything designed to your exact specifications.
 
Air
Getting things done in Python means writing self a lot and moving on.
 
What Kevin said.
 
Air
Just don't tell Jeff Atwood or he'll write a mean blog post accusing you of jumping the shark.
That meanie.
 
5:10 PM
Can you build me a time dilation machine
 
I'm only half serious of course ;-)
 
Also, if you never experiment/play/toy, then I am worried about the code you produce.
 
I need to design an aircraft before summer
 
DSM
My opinion on this hasn't changed any: I find it hard to get that worked up about it. I'm not sure that I would've arrived at the current arrangement myself, but whatever.
 
Air
@davidism That applies to so much more than code. Wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more!
 
5:11 PM
You guys get me wrong then lol
:22394191
 
@paul23 so less than three months to go. No pressure!
 
I don't think it ever occurred to me that things could be any different. So, no opinion
 
I'm not worked up - I'm am just wondering why python devs and community chose the way it is..
 
Air
22 mins ago, by DSM
@paul23: you can see what the BDFL thinks about it.
 
Ooooooh scikit-learn 0.16 will feature interoperability with pandas.
 
user4396006
5:12 PM
@paul23 because it's an open community. It's better open than closed.
 
DSM
@Ffisegydd: that'll be handy. Interfacing was straightforward enough but a bit awkward.
 
Air
@Ffisegydd I wish I didn't know that pandas was a library. Your random excitement would be so much more entertaining, then.
 
DSM
@Air: heh.
 
:22394242
 
@Air if it makes you feel any better, I'm only referencing the library 50% of the time.
 
5:13 PM
???
 
Air
@Ffisegydd I am 50% more entertained!
 
@paul23 "why do they do it that way?" "why not?"
 
that was a weird response
 
Pandas have long complained about being unable to perform scientific analysis, due to their big meaty paws. But that time is coming to an end.
8
 
DSM
Have I boasted recently of being the one to introduce "pandorable"? Probably not.
 
5:14 PM
Hopefully this will not negatively impact the job market for us. There are only like a thousand of them, after all.
 
Nah, pandas would never complain, they're too cute!
 
@paul23 personally I like not having to declare built-in functions before I use them. Or would they be excluded from your creed?
@DSM well, niot until just then
 
builtin.list seems way clearer
 
Uh you do use them like math.min() or np.mean() right?
 
I usually use min with no prefix. Same for len and enumerate and int, etc
 
Air
5:16 PM
@Kevin Pandulus Rift? Pandaglove? I can't want to see the user interface.
 
@paul23 he's saying that now you'd have to do global.math.min according to your "assume referring to instance variables" scheme
 
@davidism Well if list is not defined in the object the interpreter could then take it level higher and look in the current module all the way up to global
 
oh yeah, it could just do that
 
@paul23 no, I meant things like len() and chr(). But presumably id you import math globally you'd then have to declare it as global in each function that used it, rioght?
 
Well I like to have a very modular language
 
5:17 PM
@Air The beta is just a dialing wand.
 
anyway, I'm calling it on this discussion. Next topic please
 
user4396006
:'-)
 
Spins the topic wheel Annnnnnnnnnnnnd we have "Who would win in a fight, davidism or Kevin?"
 
@paul23 Python is for pragmatists rather than purists, mostly, I think.
 
DSM
Earlier today at a press conference the mayor of Big Canadian City described a project that I did the numbers on as presenting "irrefutable proof" of something. Words cannot describe the sound made by my wince.
 
5:18 PM
Hmm but how does C# do it then?
 
What kind of environment would we fight in? I'm physically weak, but I think I could put together a simple snare trap in a pinch.
 
@Ffisegydd we would both win in the fight against the light council
 
@paul23 Dunno, go ask on that list ;-)
 
We'd have to spin the "where will they fight" wheel to find out
 
Okay boys. rbrbbbb
 
Air
5:19 PM
Also the "weapons" wheel, "ground rules" wheel, etc.
 
On the wing of a plane in flight.
 
In any case, there's a pretty good chance that we'd work together to overthrow our common enemy.
 
@davidism nice aircraft!
 
Weapons: the Calvinball
 
Air
Woe be unto them who spin "funoodles" "no touching" "trapeeze studio"
 
5:19 PM
In fact, I just packed all my C# books ready for shipping to the UK next month. Discarding about 60% of my accumulated library
 
@Air I'm sure that's a reference to something
 
@holdenweb :(
 
That being, whatever "Hunger Games"-style tyrant put us in the arena to begin with
 
DSM
If you're sending them to Jon Skeet, I think he probably has enough already.
 
I wouldn't do that, creating a large library now that I'm studying
so that later on I have a huge wall filled to the brim with books..
 
Air
5:20 PM
@davidism I suppose technically so, but it's a dangerous reference
 
And after defeating the common enemy...

http://www.tshirtvortex.net/wp-content/uploads/Sudden-But-Inevitable-Betrayal-1.jpg
 
@DSM He wrote them all, why would he want them back?
 
I'll put a real fire pit, and some large chairs and then sit there with a whiskey and a pipe!
 
Oh dear, I seem to be bad at images.
 
@Air irresponsibly setting up closed loops :-[
 
5:22 PM
@QuestionC Well yeah, after overthrowing the tyrant, we would fight to see who gets to become the new tyrant.
 
Air
Well, I think it was Jimmy Hoffa who said we're nothing but strange loops ourselves, after all
 
@paul23 I've moved across the Atlantic three times already, and each time I have got rid of about 50% of my library. I've come to realize that a fine physical library is all very well but if it's full of out-of-date texts it isn't a very useful reference tool. And a lot of what I'm discarding is pulp fiction and outdated technical books
 
I think I'd actually prefer to be vizier, though. I've seen enough Game of Thrones to know that kingship isn't a stable position.
 
DSM
I think I own fewer than five technical books and I also think they're sitting in a friend's closet in Hong Kong right now.
 
@holdenweb that fast moving CS branch...
 
Air
5:23 PM
@holdenweb There are much cheaper ways to do spring cleaning, you know.
 
Reading a paper on high speed aerodynamics right now.. It's still very relevant, but the paper is from the
 
@Air but none of them get me closed to my GF and grandkids
 
1920s...
 
@paul23 in her thesis my GF has managed to sneak in a reference to a paper from early 1600s
 
XD
 
5:25 PM
@paul23 sure, if it discussed design principles. But I'm talking technology books, and I really don't think I need my guide to Open BSD version 2, for example
 
Computer science theory is a lot squishier than physics, so I'd expect tech manuals to go out of date faster than aerodynamics papers.
A new version of Python could come out tomorrow, but gravity will continue to work the same way for the foreseeable future.
 
DSM
@Ffisegydd: not sure if I kept the Ptolemy cite, but I know I referenced Kepler.
 
@holdenweb but that's valuable history!
 
DSM
I wish I hadn't lost my copy of Mapping the 64. :-(
 
I think she got Galileo Galilei in.
 
5:26 PM
@Kevin but (for example) I've kept the book of Turing Award-winner addresses
 
My earliest reference is 1920s :(
 
@davidism OK, you collect it and keep it. I refuse to be sentimental
@davidism - about that, anyway
 
DSM
@Ffisegydd: bah, you kids. Everything has to be modern with you.
 
nah, I'm sure goodwill will appreciate it more
 
@Ffisegydd Heh, friend of mine put in his PHD paper the line "if read this line I will give you a 50$ chocolate bar". Then he went to the review, took a bar with him, put it on the table - but no one asked for it!
 
5:28 PM
Sounds like a really, really bad journal :P
 
@holdenweb Ok, some parts of CS are less squishy than others :-)
electrons will probably continue to work etc etc
 
@Kevin heh I had a course on "how computers ACTUALLY work" last year :P
 
Air
@Ffisegydd Sounds like most of them. Haven't you read about the recent BioMed Central fiasco?
 
talking about FSMs and (shift) registers.. Where you had to determine the minimum word length and how fast a clock could be based on a chain of ports..
that book was from 1994
Apart from the numbers for all gates not being close to modern ones, it was still good
 
Looks like GitHub's having fun, with DDoS for > 100 hours.
Even the BBC mentioned it.
 
5:31 PM
The largest technical bookshop in the world, now occupying two city blocks. So if anyone can find books a good home, they can
 
Wait github is being ddosed?
 
Of course my status as a denizen of Portland means I can take them to Powells
 
@Air can't trust them biologists.
 
how can you guys even be here! don't you need github nowadays?
 
I was impressed to find out about the dos over the weekend, because github was working fine the entire time
 
5:32 PM
I DID keep "Computer Systems and Programming Languages" - a very find anthology of what was newest and best in around 1970
 
@paul23 I do. I only noticed today because the internet was down over the weekend.
 
Also, for added effect, I'm surprised the github status server isn't being dos'd as well
 
Now that google is stopping :'( it's all up to git(hub)
Though I heard github also supports svn nowadays?
 
I prefer mercurial and bitbucket
 
windows fanboi here
 
5:34 PM
And no, it "supports" other scms with conversion plugins to git
Rather than actually hosting those other types
 
meh
so only sourceforge left with native support for svn?
 
@davidism Well, if its targeted on China firewall info, the status server won't be a great target. Waste of resources
 
nah, there's other sites, they're just less known
 
I liked googlecode cause it gave a neat interface for users where they can cleanly see a list of downloads etc
 
Only really evil people DDoS the status server.
 
5:36 PM
github and bitbucket both have download pages for repos
 
It was getting nicely standardized (where sourceforge seems to have a unique layout per project)
Hmm can one also upload executable there?
*"binaries" for you os gurus
 
@paul23 GitHub gives traffic and clone stats.
 
yes, you can attach binaries on both sites
 
Hmm maybe I should move my projects..... Though they're not really useful (just things I created that sometimes I show to new students as reference for teaching)
 
Google Code was innovative, but it was mainly good at spurring other sites to be better. Its interface never improved significantly.
 
5:39 PM
^ That's in the release options
 
And bitbucket's version has a giant "upload file" button.
 
@matsjoyce Would be kewl if you could link "binaries" to a specific "version" so that others can rebuild it from the same source (date).
 
that's what tags are
 
@paul23 Yes, you can. You can create a release, with linked binaries and source code zips for that version.
E.g. github.com/matsjoyce/yaplmc/releases, except I haven't added any binaries.
 
DSM
@matsjoyce: how do you pronounce that?
 
5:44 PM
@DSM I don't. I call it "my LMC program" (well if I'm forced, yap-L-M-C)
 
@davidism Interesting read, thanks for sharing :-)
I see at least one problem with Piravski's viewpoint: "AIs create jobs-- thousands of jobs, around the country. Programmers and neuroneticians to create them, professors and writers to explain them. When they install one they hire a crew of AI mechs and neurotraining planners and systems analysts"
Ok, sure, the AI industry creates jobs roughly at the same rate as it destroys them. But the process is asymmetrical - a line worker at the screen door factory can't retrain to become a neurotechnician.
 
Yeah, it's like saying one construction project creates lasting jobs. It doesn't. (Not to say those jobs and skills aren't important.)
 
When demand for unskilled labor goes down, and demand for skilled labor goes up, I expect this will cause conflict between social classes
 
Hey, we're back at the theme of Manna.
 
Stories about AI always devolve into Manna. Or Terminator.
Sigh, time for my mandatory BigCorp training event
 
5:58 PM
Peter F. Hamilton's Commonwealth had artificial intelligence that was friendly but uncaring. Once it became sentient it just went to its own planet and got out of humanity's way.
 
Hi i have been working on django. But when my settings.py file is generated i only get STATIC_URL variable for the "static files system". And would this become a problem when i am going to add css styles?
 
no, it's not a problem, django works
 
But in older youtube tutorial videos they get more options ?
Do django have changed ?
 
Don't watch a youtube tutorial to learn programing.
 

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