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8:00 PM
"is there a simple way to do this?" no, and it's not clear what you're doing now either
 
DSM
Today I learned a new word: "upsert".
 
@davidism I think he is trying to find a record by id then update it
 
user559633
my girlfriend in highschool wore braces and got upsert at me very often
 
But he's trying to do it atomically, which is not easy.
 
user559633
8:01 PM
ehrmerhgerrd upsert
 
user559633
ha ha right? programming
 
get out
 
I get it. I ain't laughing, but I get it.
(mostly I'm annoyed because I was thinking of making the same joke)
 
user559633
yeah, i aint proud
 
Why do I keep seeing this one company hiring a lot of jobs? It doesn't make sense
 
DSM
8:12 PM
Employees are fed to the Lurking Horror beneath?
 
sounds like the right job for me!
 
@corvid are you looking for a job in any specific location?
 
anywhere that speaks English as a primary language, really
 
Ok well Seattle, Salt Lake, and Austin are all hiring new grad programmers like CRAZY!!
Not sure if you currently reside in US or not..
 
Seattle does sound pretty cool... hmm
 
8:18 PM
I just graduated a couple months ago, so I have just been through that whole scene. (Currently in Seattle)
Let me know if you want help with anything
 
do you know what this "CyberCoders" thing is? They come up like crazy on every search
 
Ya. They are a hiring consulting company
So they are contracted out to find programers
So I have a project B and I need a developer. I call cybercoders, and they get me one fit for the job
then when the job is done, they go back into the pot
so its kinda like a weird freelance/contracting gig
So when you apply for a CyberCoders job, you are actually applying for some other job. You dont find out what exactly until you are further in the interview process
its kinda weird. I tried to avoid them just because I hate hiring firms. I dont want to work with a hiring firm, I would rather work directly with a company. Plus if a company has to use a hiring firm, they are probably having a hard time finding people themselves, which means the job must not be very good/interesting
 
user559633
Seattle is okay, I used to live there.
 
You like New York better?
 
user559633
Sometimes. I'd never raise a family here, but NYC is definitely more of an "experience"
 
8:25 PM
yeah it seemed pretty suspicious to have THAT many jobs being offered
 
@tristan Where do you plan on ending up?
 
user559633
@Humdinger Probably going to start splitting time somewhere in Europe and Brooklyn.
 
Just made first submission to Kaggle for this Titanic ML competition...me and Games are in...2489th place!
 
user559633
I run a business out of NYC, but I want to spend 6 months dedicated on a new startup that I can code from anywhere.
 
@Ffisegydd Nice! I remember doing a kaggle project. My team didnt do very well :p
 
8:27 PM
how long does it usually take employers to respond, if at all?
 
@corvid infinity time.
 
@corvid Depends on the company. I have seenfrom a couple days to a couple months
@corvid You should judge it based on the size of the company
If they are large, they will almost always have a slow response time, just because of the number of resumes they read
but to be honest you shouldnt be sending in resumes to their generic job portal unless its the only option
There are much better strategies
 
like what?
 
Basically, try to contact the manager directly
 
user559633
find a job you actually want to do, see if you can get an introduction (even over email)
 
8:33 PM
^ exactly. But an a somewhat more generic term that only slightly covers this idea: linkedin.com/pulse/article/…
The key idea is you DO NOT want to respond to job ads
You want to find the job which doesnt have an AD
So talk to people, find a company you like, find a manager you like, then ask, "I like to do XYZ, would you have a place for me?"
and 7 times out of 10 they will say, "We have actually been thinking of hiring someone like that"
and another 2 times they will say, "We have that need in the future, but are not quite ready to hire for it. Let me talk to my manager and we will stay in touch"
(This is all assuming the company does actually exist in your field)
 
user559633
is that article seriously f-ing suggesting sending a paper letter @Humdinger
 
Yes, but i have never done that.
Take it with a grain of salt, like everything
 
user559633
if so, lol no that is more f-ing linkedin lunacy
 
What I like from the article is 2 main concepts. One, dont just be another resume in a stack
two) research the company and prove to them you can help
 
user559633
sending in a decent resume works pretty good, for what it's worth.
 
8:39 PM
(also known as the briefcase technique for freelancers out there)
 
user559633
i've only hired ~12 people in my career, so don't take this as authoritative i guess
 
You kind of have to scope it out based on the territory
 
user559633
but having a resume that isn't BS that's <= 1 page with a github/portfolio url, free of grammatical errors, will put you ahead of the game
 
Definitely. Having a very clean well dressed resume can do a lot of work for you
I had my resume on my universities recruiting site for a while with no results. But once I spent time to make it look good, I started getting calls left and right. Same material, just different format and techniques
My very last semester I was actually asked to teach a 1 credit "preparing for the tech interview" class that covered this stuff, so i could probably go on for hours
But the main idea is, you would be surprised how far you can get just by understanding the company and what they actually do (if they are a large company, learn their "values")
 
Gud' evening all! :D
 
user559633
8:50 PM
oh hey @Iplodman! how are you?
 
Good thanks! Been doing theory in my Computer Science course, and am doing pretty good :D
@tristan How's your life? :D
 
Theory!? What kind of theory?
Like are we talking big-o, data-structures, networking, languages, ...?
 
From this book. Standards, Systems, Kernels, Alan Turning, pretty basic stuff.
 
ah ok
 
I've only just started the theory for my GCSE, so ;)
 
8:55 PM
So the foundation of computer science
 
user559633
@Iplodman decent! Been really busy.
 
Yeah. I don't mind doing it, but it's not challenging ;-;
@tristan Ooh, anything not super duper secret?
 
user559633
@Iplodman i've been doing consulting and hacking on some creative coding while at hacker school
 
@tristan I so hope that's true, but if you take my Steam password you're dead to me.
 
user559633
hah, it's not that sort of thing -- hacker school is self-directed study in whatever you want to do. it's more about getting people together as a community than anything
 
user559633
9:01 PM
like, i heard that someone needed help getting started with flask + requests, so i sat down with her and did some live coding, then helped someone else with making his code more pythonic.
 
That's actually so cool. I really want to go now xD
Maybe one day xD
 
user559633
Let me know if you apply -- I'll put in a good word to up your chances of getting in.
 
Thanks ^-^ Is there any age limit, and what's the location?
 
user559633
No age limit; NYC
 
Ooh, damn--NYC.
A little too far for me, I think.
Also, is there any module like os.system(arg) which doesn't actually go through the terminal?
I meant method, not module :P
 
@davidism Thanks!
I'll try and work it out now :P
Hm, so I would use subprocess.call("echo %PATH%") to echo the path?
 
I am stuck.
Good evenig @all
 
Evenin' Term :) Whatcha' stuck on?
 
Voodoo. nfqueue-python bindings.
They're working, actually.
Just not the way I, or anybody, would expect them to be working
 
DSM
You better not mess with voodoo. #wordstoliveby
 
9:20 PM
Aand you've lost me. I'll just stick to trying to find a way to pip install modules on to my school machines by working about the cmd block.
Sounds impressive though :o
 
pip install <module_name>
 
I can't access the terminal on my school machine ;) They have a previously mentioned block on it.
 
user559633
nfqueue as in netfilter queue?
 
Correct.
 
user559633
okay, so what's going on?
 
9:22 PM
I want to alter some JavaScript files before they reach my browser.
To be exact: I want to patch the behaviour of the WebSockets, add some logging.
I've spent yesterday to write a kernel module to alter packets (where I've been on a good way, I think), until today somebody gave me the hint with nfqueue
.. but it seems like nfqueue does not get the packets contaning the javascript file I am interessted in, though my browser definitly gets it
 
user559633
@coding_term do you have the code on github or anything?
 
user559633
@Iplodman that script should act as a shell for you to type commands into. you can use it like:

python for_iplodman.py

and then at the prompt:

pip install requests
 
@tristan: It's short enough for a pastebin: pastebin.com/RAymx0rz
Just piping the programm output to a file, using vim to look for the WebSocket creation call in it
("new WebSocket")
This is the file my "hook" seems to be ignoring
 
user559633
well, that javascript is straightforward
 
9:35 PM
Thanks @tristan! :D What does shlex do, though?
 
user559633
i'd make that into a stackoverflow post, pretty sure it's not going to be a quick answer
 
Hello!
i'm trying to remove my older version of django.. I used this command: python -c "import sys; sys.path = sys.path[1:]; import django; print(django.__path__)"
 
Cabbage Joe!
 
user559633
@Iplodman acts like a lexer and turns "pip install requests" into ["pip","install", "requests"]
 
i don't know if it now removed or not
 
user559633
9:36 PM
what part of that command do you think removes an old version of django? what do you think it does
 
I dont rly care about the JS code itself. I just want to add some code into this file before it traverses my browser. Which I could if it would reach my nfqueue hook :D
 
@Joe Nope, the just prints the path.
 
I've already posted my kernel module issue yesterday. Though .. this is no current issue anymore (and nobody was able to figure the problem there :D)
 
@Iplodman how would i know the path of where it is installed?
 
@tristan Wouldn't some_string.split(" ") work for that?
 
user559633
9:37 PM
@coding_term it's not some 24 hour SLA.
 
@Joe By using that command, I'd presume.
 
ok, now that i know the path
how do i remove it?
 
user559633
@Iplodman yeah, probably, but _sh_lex is shell lex
 
@tristan: Of course not. Just guess that my kernel problem was a little too hardcore.
 
user559633
so it lexes it as if it was going into a shell
 
9:38 PM
Isn't pip uninstall django a thing you can do?
 
user559633
@coding_term nah, just not quick enough for a "do this" answer probably
 
user559633
also, a bit off the beaten path
 
@tristan Lemme google Lexers, lexes and lexer shell quickly.
 
@tristan: Doesnt metter, anway. People on here are more competent than in any other forum I know
 
@Iplodman now that i know the path, how do i remove it?
@Iplodman in order to install a newer version
 
user559633
9:39 PM
And I'd assume you just put them back in the queue @coding_term
 
As I said just now, can't you run pip uninstall django in the terminal?
(@Joe)
 
user559633
@Iplodman no, he wants to pin the version on the uninstall
 
@tristan So is .split() a lexer?
 
user559633
@Iplodman it does lexing yes.
 
@tristan They're all going back in the queue automatically. The connection to the site is working fine. It's just that at least this one script doesnt traverse the que
 
9:41 PM
Ah, well that's not so complicated.
 
user559633
@Iplodman easy to understand, can be hard to implement correctly.
 
@tristan Oooh on the Joe thing, and "why so?" to the lexer thing.
 
user559633
@JoeSaad if you know the version of django, pip uninstall django==0.1.1 should work
 
user559633
where 0.1.1 is your version
 
@tristan I just tried that and it gave me an error
syntax error
 
user559633
9:46 PM
please, don't share the whole line or google for it
 
What's your version of Django, and what errorM
 
pip uninstall django==1.6.2
^
 
@tristan LOL xD
*error?
 
user559633
does "pip" on its own error out @JoeSaad
 
@tristan Who says sarcasm over the internet doesn't work, eh? ;)
 
user559633
9:50 PM
@Iplodman ;) it does, but you have to lay it on in industrial quantities
 
@tristan yes, I'm getting this error with just "pip"
NameError: name 'pip' is not defined
 
@tristan True that.
 
user559633
Did you use pip to install Django? How did you install it in the first place?
 
Are you running the command in a python script?
I think you might be.
 
@tristan i can't remember honestly, I just followed docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.5/topics/install
 
user559633
9:53 PM
@Iplodman that would give a NameError because pip is unlikely to be in the locals()
 
@tristan So was I right or nah? xD
I'm not too sure :P
 
DSM
Yes, you were right.
 
user559633
@JoeSaad follow the steps in reverse then. if you create a post on stackoverflow, it will probably be closed as low quality. you might have luck in IRC asking for someone to join you in your guessing game adventure
 
@DSM Woo!
 
user559633
@Iplodman :D yeah, you were right. i didn't see the next post
 
9:56 PM
@tristan No problem :P So should I advise @JoeSaad to use the terminal to run terminal commands?
 
user559633
i'm going to stop because i'm being unfairly bitchy to you @JoeSaad. i think your best bet may be following the steps from documentation in reverse, but make sure you do a system backup first in case things get messy.
 
Although I kind of just did.
 
@tristan that's why i didn't create a post
 
user559633
@JoeSaad why are you trying to remove your older version of django?
 
@tristan thanks anyways
 
user559633
9:57 PM
ugh now i feel bad for being a farty face baby jerk about this.
 
@tristan I think I was more so :l
 
user559633
@JoeSaad if you don't have a lot of code already written, you can grow a lot as a python developer by reading about virtual environments and how to use pip. At the end of this journey, you'll just create a new "environment" for a fresh install of Django that will be easier to maintain in the future.
 
And anyway, sarcasm is the best way to teach someone.
 
user559633
@Iplodman haha no way. the best way is to make it easy and without shame to ask questions.
 
user559633
on the internet though, because it is so easy to do your own research, it can be frustrating when people essentially say "hey, do/fix this for me, your time is less valuable than mine"
 
10:01 PM
Hi there ! Do you remember some months ago, I came with a project called BigPicture (map text edit with infinite scrolling/zooming) ?
 
I meant joking sarcasm, not piss-taking sarcasm :P And anyway, I know a lot of people who would takea much more... vulgar approach to Joe. I don't think that the sarcasm was over the top at all.
 
I think you were there @tristan
 
user559633
Yes @Basj
 
Here is the online version : bigpicture.bi/demo (beta version)
 
user559633
@Iplodman I'm trying to reform from my "I will troll the shit out of you" ways
 
10:02 PM
So sad @PeterVaro is not here, he helped me a lot on this (on the Python version I did some months ago)
 
user559633
Oh that's cool @Basj. The scroll with trackpad is completely unusable though -- too sensitive
 
@tristan Probably for the best ;)
 
@tristan cause it says that i have to get rid of my older version
 
user559633
@JoeSaad case in point: what is "it" in that sentence. keep in mind that people cannot read your mind.
 
user559633
@Basj yes, i think the intent is the same to JS/HTML5
 
10:04 PM
@basj That's epic!
 
@tristan you mean for zooming or scrolling really ?
 
user559633
It's scrolling.
 
because on my computers, the trackpad is fine... What's the problem ?
@tristan do you Click+Drag for scrolling ?
 
Maybe yours is ultra insensitive or @tristan's is too sensitive?
 
user559633
@Basj it's a standard apple macbook
 
10:06 PM
@tristan do you mean it goes to fast, or too slow ?
 
user559633
too fast i think?
 
@tristan that same page for installing the new version of django
 
user559633
yeah, waaay too fast.
 
you mean it goes too fast from east to west for example ?
 
@tristan i mean that same page is asking for removing the older version
 
user559633
10:07 PM
@JoeSaad okay. do you have code that you need to save? did you read my note about virtual environments?
 
user559633
@Basj about like north/west, what your application thinks is zooming
 
@tristan you mean the trackbar's integrated "mousewheel" emulation ?
 
user559633
@Basj yes?
 
@tristan ok... Is that one too fast as well ?
 
user559633
It's read an event of type window.scrollTo
 
10:11 PM
@Basj Did anything in particular inspire this?
 
@Veedrac do you mean my tool bigpicture.bi/demo ?
 
Yeah
 
user559633
 
@Veedrac I'm very often in 12 projects at the same time (some little things here and there ... i'm not saying I have big projects ;) )
@Veedrac and so having a single or 2 or 4 different TODO lists .txt file is useless : you don't have a view of the BigPicture
So I wanted to code a tool in which you can ALWAYS zoom out if you need to have a wider view of the situation !
 
It just reminds me of "ZoomWorld" from this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Humane_Interface
 
10:14 PM
@tristan I'm pretty new to this, all codes that I have written in python are very easy and i don't mind if they all got deleted.. i'm just new, that's why I know already that posting any of my questions will be rated poor quality, that's why i thought of chatting if people can guide me through that
 
user559633
cool, @JoeSaad read my note about virtualenv.
 
user559633
drop your question and start again by reading about virtualenv.
 
@JoeSaad You have it all wrong
 
@Veedrac oh nice indeed! I did not know about this. In short what is this book about and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archy
 
user559633
@Veedrac, hell yes. Questions like "how do i remove django? it's installed somewhere on my computer and i haven't searched for it, nor do i remember how it got here" would get closed.
 
10:16 PM
Your questions are being received poorly because they're poorly written and researched. And by "written" I'm talking about the fact don't provide full information.
@tristan You say no, but you mean yes..
@JoeSaad Instead of trying to get around that by using a more informal setting, try learning what people are asking you to do
 
@tristan how would i drop my question?
 
user559633
@JoeSaad just don't ask us to guide you through using windows search and follow the advice i've already given you
 
@Veedrac ok, thanks to you again.. is there anyone else who wants to bash me and make fun of me here before i go?
 
@Veedrac seems interesting... Where should I start the reading about this ? In this book (easy to find or not?) ?
 
Goood night, everyone
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Q: python-nfqueue seems to be ignoring whole HTTP chunks

coding_termI've written a little python script using libnetfilter-queque bindings to grab packets into user space. The code: import socket import nfqueue buf = '' frame_count = 0 def packet_processing_callback(_, nfq_payload): global buf global frame_count buf += nfq_payload.get_data() ...

 
user559633
10:18 PM
lol are you asking a question and then going offline @coding_term?
 
@JoeSaad It's just that you're not taking into consideration how we can help you.
Help us to help you, by listening to what we have to say, such as Google things every now and then.
 
@Iplodman sure!! that was very helpful
 
It's only constructive critisism, we're not bashing you.
 
user559633
Yeah, I didn't even troll him into deleting important files from his OS
 
@JoeSaad Other people manage to ask questions and get good feedback. You can argue that we're being unfair. That may even be true. The point is that there is a way you can approach this that would get your problems solved much more easily, and would leave us with a much better impression
 
10:20 PM
When I first talked in here I got told off by the likes of @tristan or another person for the odd thing.
@tristan xD
 
user559633
It's tough love @Iplodman
 
@Basj That book is a treasure trove. Too many designers get too caught up on making things jQuery webscale when they should be talking about quasimodality.
QUASIMODAL
I love that word.
 
Oh god xD That's brilliant c:
 
@Veedrac sure enough
 
10:24 PM
Anyway, @JoeSaad, do you get why we say the things we do in here now? It's helped me become a better coder for sure.
I should write an Android SO chat room app.
But the mobile version is good anyway, so maybe not.
 
@Veedrac easy to find (used or new) this book ?
 
There's already an Android SO chat room: chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/15/android
Why do you need an app? XD
@Basj The way I did it or the way that involves buying things?...
 
@Veedrac lol.... Would prefer to read on a real book ;) (better for my eyes who are tired of too many hours in front of computer)
 
I don't need one, but I didn't need to make an ASCII art generator, learn Java or eat grass as a child. Still did all those things.
@Basj Get a kindle :D
 
@Iplodman not really, arrogant and sarcastic responses wouldn't necessarily make better coders, but as you wish guys.. you can bash everyone coming here for being novice and you'll all be happy for thinking this is the only approach that would work for making better coders..
 
10:29 PM
@Iplodman i like the smell of used books :)
 
It's on Amazon, for £32.
 
@JoeSaad As we're trying to say, we're not trying to bash everyone. We're only trying to get across that we can't help you if you don't help us to.
 
Which reminds me, I have a £150 book voucher and I don't buy any books. Any suggestions?
 
@Veedrac buy 150000 used copies of Of Mice and Men.
 
user559633
what kind of books to you want to read @Veedrac?
 
10:31 PM
@Veedrac this Raskin book ;) or you can buy it to me if your voucher expires soon...
 
user559633
neuromancer by gibson is a great read if you haven't read it yet.
 
Then write 'George shoots Lenny' ij thd cover of each, and re-sell them. Pure evil.
*in the
 
user559633
"godel escher bach" if you want to get pushed mentally
 
@Iplodman I like your thinking. I could ruin 150000 lives!
 
user559633
@Iplodman brilliant.
 
10:32 PM
I loved GEB
 
user559633
Buy a bunch of bibles and relabel them as "fiction"
 
@tristan @Veedrac >:D
 
@Veedrac two other inspirations for this project are :
1) the image that I saw on Jurassic Park (when the girl says "It's a Unix" system ;)) when I was a kid.... This 3D explorer (now I know it is called fsn) was amazing for me at this time
 
user559633
See if anyone complains. Make some popcorn and enjoy the lunacy of the people that complain.
 
@tristan Even better, label them as eye-witness and hand them out to scientists.
 
user559633
10:34 PM
If I had £150,000, I'd open a restaurant named Kung Food. HTH.
 
@tristan I don't know. Where I live it's hard to find Christians, never mind piss them off.
 
2) As I teach math at university, very often I would like to teach the "Big Picture" of a theorem first, and go into details then
I.e. first give a general easy proof, and then only give the mathematical details... (by zooming in)

That's why I would like to produce math proofs of some theorems with my BigPicture layout
 
@tristan Not Do nuts for donuts?
 
£ ⇒ UK; thus "doughnuts"
 
My mistake xD
 
10:36 PM
@Basj Wouldn't that get a bit crowded?
 
@Veedrac do you mean too many things in a small place ?
 
Having lots of little text between all your normal text, I mean.
 
How about you buy a stack of paper however many sheets high, write "this is a piece of cake" on them and give them to Christians. When they reply that it isn't cake, retort "It says it's cake so it is cake. Just like the Bible claims to be the word of god".
That's a Nercubed thing right there.
 
@Veedrac when you have a first look, you should see only the big texts, and the small texts are (quite) not visible
it's only when you zoom in that you see the small texts...
(this would be the ideal situation)
 
@Iplodman That might work in the bible belt but the people I know would only look at me funny
 
DSM
10:39 PM
How about if people want to express their opinions -- whether pro or con -- about other people's religious beliefs, they find an outlet more appropriate than sopython?
 
@Basj Can't you make some text fade in?
 
@Iplodman can you explain (seems interesting!) ?
 
@DSM I'd say that this place is pretty suitable.
 
for example here : bigpicture.bi/demo, which ones should be faded ?
(When you buy on Amazon, and a book is "Used / Good" (and not Very good), is it ok most of the time ?)
 
DSM
@Iplodman: how exactly do you figure that?
 
10:41 PM
There's also the problem that when you zoom in you can't move between sections without moving past absurdly oversized text, and you also can no longer read headers and such.
 
@Basj The Bible says that it is the word of God, and so (As the Christians believe) it is. If I write "This is cake" on a piece of paper, that paper isn't any more cake than the Bible is the word of God.
Also, used books for 1p tend to be filled with notes and stuff.
@DSM We're all respectful of views here, and surely that's enough to talk about anything we like to.
 
I think this is something Jef Raskin got wrong; different scales are good for different types of organization, but you don't want text to be more than an order of magnitude or so different in scale.
 
user559633
Yeah, let's talk about something else. Conversation about religion besides snide remarks gets serious and seriously boring
 
@Veedrac but it's the same when you study a 10 pages-proof of a theorem... You zoom in into details on "Lemma 1" (ie first stone of the whole proof)... When you have finished reading/understanding this Lemma 1, then you zoom out, you have a wider view on Lemma 1, Lemma 2, Lemma 3, and then you zoom in on Lemma2, etc. Don't you agree ?
 
user559633
 
10:44 PM
@Basj m.imgur.com/vHcj8l0 Maybe this?
@tristan Fair enough, but I still find religious devate interesting.
 
@Iplodman oh yes, interesting ! I note this in my Bigpicture TODO list ;)
 
Anyway, how's life in NYC, @tristan?
@Basj Sarcasm? xD
 
@Iplodman not at all, why would it be sarcasm ? no really, i'm looking for next features to add to this tool :)
 
DSM
@Iplodman: I think your understanding of "respect" is different from the ones I'm familiar with. In any case, putting on my room owner hat, I don't think it's a great fit here. We have people with views from all the way from Guido's to Jon Skeet's among the regulars, and all are welcome, and none should have to feel like they need to defend themselves.
 
@Iplodman so your "fade" idea is quite good I think
 
10:48 PM
 
@DSM I didn't mean to offemd anyone with the cake thing, I was just mentioning a point someone alse brought up that I found interesting. Fair play though, I'll leave it.
 
@Veedrac book ordered. thanks for the tip ! (btw just to be sure, was it this one : The Humane Interface: New Directions for Designing Interactive Systems )
 
@Basj It would definitely give a sense of the bigger picture, too. "Oh look, there's more! nd more! Ooh, another bit!"
*And (Dammit)
 
@Basj Looks like it. It's been a while since I read it, so don't blame me if it's awful. :P
 
@Iplodman yes! it's exactly what I'm looking for : "Oh look, there's more! nd more! Ooh, another bit!"
@Veedrac Raskin seemed to be a visionary, so it will be a good reading in any case I thin; ! I already heard about him while reading Isacsoon's biography "Jobs"
 
10:51 PM
It'd also stop the reader looking at, say, module notes, and going 'Oh my god, there's too much' and running away.
 
Also, if it doesn't involve the word "quasimodal" at least <many> times, it's not genuine.
 
@Veedrac I'd also recommend Hitchhikers Guide if by some off chance you haven't read it.
 
I have read it, but I was young when I did. I may (eventually) read it again because I know I did enjoy it.
 
@Veedrac what is the global meaning of that ? (or maybe this would remove some fun if you tell me before I read the book ;) ?)
 
Something is modal if it has several states and is sticky, like CAPS LOCK. Something is quasimodal if it has several states but isn't sticky, like Shift.
 
10:55 PM
Very good book.
 
@Iplodman Which of the many books are you referring to?
 
*Very good series ;)
The last one wasn't my favourite though. It got a bit too dark for my liking.
 
Oh yeah, Hitchhikers Guide. I got lost in all the comments :/
 
Some french people here ?
As I (and above all my girlfriend) noticed that we don't need enough vegetables, we did a map of all the vegetables we eat + ideas of meal for each of them : bigpicture.bi/1898oa
for vegetables (+ french cuisine) lovers only ;)
 
who doesn't love French cuisine?
 
11:04 PM
Right, I need to sleep now. Night all!
 
Good night!
 
Rhunrab to everyone :)
 
Good night
I hope this loss to the dark lord of sleep does not leave you scarred
 
me and the dark lord of sleep are friends. Sometimes with benefits
... they're called "dreams"
 
11:26 PM
Dreams are just the side effects of the government drugging you in your sleep
 
that explains why it's always raining spiders in my dreams
 

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