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DSM
8:00 PM
"The Clock is powered by mechanical energy harvested from [...] the people that visit it." Yeah, I don't see this ending well.
 
I don't think PyGame is for Android.
 
DSM
@Kevin: wouldn't have taken you for a Tillich reader.
 
We discussed the Pygame/3.3 conundrum earlier today. The consensus is, it's quite easy to go back to 2.7.
 
I love pandas (the package, not the animal, the animal can go **** itself)
 
Wow, and I missed it?
Damn
 
8:01 PM
You can even keep putting parens after print if you really want.
 
Also does Pygame work for android?
 
I just said I don't think it does, what makes you think it does?
 
@DSM I'm flattered that you think I even know who that is :-)
(I don't)
 
DSM
I suppose there are only so many two-word combinations in English.
 
@Ffisegydd good luck with that... ****'ing is one of the things that pandas really don't do well :)
3
 
8:02 PM
cbg all
 
Any free engines fir 2d games which work with python?
for*
 
That's why they can go do it. Leave me with my pivot_tables.
 
And have android/iPhone adaptibility?
 
DSM
could look at kivy
 
Trying to work out how to groupby some data and return the count within each quartile.
 
8:03 PM
Works for games?
 
@user2977079 I suppose you are referring to the QPython implementation on android? Kivy definitely works, but apart from that the library support is quite sparse, I think...
 
Well okay than
Any C++ game engines then
 
Go to the C++ room
 
Possibly cross platform
 
Or better yet, the Android room
 
8:05 PM
Ok
 
+ Android runs java...
 
user559633
android runs dalvik.
 
@user2977079 It was quite short; only 3-4 messages. here it is.
 
That was short
 
DSM
@Ffisegydd: figure it out?
 
8:06 PM
Pyglet does support Python 3
 
@DSM I've got something involving a pivot_table (which I discovered today and is my new BFF)
 
But I doubt it works with Android any better than PyGame would
 
Sorry @Jon you've been replaced as my BFF with a pandas method.
 
Well, I have to get access over there
Maybe I'll find something good and share it here
Even with python maybe
 
DSM
@Ffisegydd: don't forget melt when you need to undo it.
 
8:07 PM
@Ffisegydd I thought this'd happen when you started getting older Stewie :(
 
@user2977079 just change your display name to something besides the default, it's not that hard
 
I'm looking at a dataset of people who survived/died on the titanic. I've got whether they survived or not in one column and the fare they paid in another, trying to think of some interesting way of visualisng the two.
 
Yup
Used my chess.SE name
 
@user2977079 it would seem Qpython can actually run most pure python libs
 
So far I've used pivot_table to look at survival and gender, passenger class, and embarkation point and it's worked nice. But that was because they were quantised (M/F, 1st, 2nd, 3rd class, etc)
 
8:09 PM
@Ffisegydd in a 37 dimensional hypercube?
 
Whilst fare can be any float and so there's 100s of different possibly values.
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd decaprios and the other woman
 
DSM
@Ffisegydd: check out pd.qcut.
 
I changed it
But my request wasnt accepted4
Wait
 
@user2977079 gave you access to the android room
 
8:11 PM
Still appears default here
 
Name changes take a while to get processed, I think.
 
^
cache has to get updated
 
Also, the cash has to get updated. Nudge nudge. wink. (Please bribe me.)
 
Do not update the cats though, they don't like that.
 
DSM
The cast could use an update, though. Signatures with inspirational messages appreciated.
 
8:13 PM
Update time it seems
 
user559633
Yeah, this Ffisegydd / Davidism "will they or won't they" love interest is starting to show its age in our second season. +1 for updating the cast.
 
say what? I'm gone for a few days, and what did I miss?
 
All the hints have been there since the beginning, you just gotta read the subtext
 
user559633
@inspectorG4dget we got picked up by showtime
 
Everything. You missed everything (Incidentally @inspector was chatting to Games the other day and he said you had some exam coming up, good luck with that).
Luckily we don't have to have a comp exam for PhDs in the UK.
 
8:15 PM
@inspectorG4dget we worked out the question to which the answer is 42...
 
@tristanis that for SOTV?
 
user559633
Is SOTV still going to be a thing? I thought people bitched so much that it got scrapped.
 
Thanks @Ffisegydd. Yeah, comps are a pain. I have a meeting with my supervisors on Monday
 
I'm reading the text, but I just can't find the subtext.
 
I don't know. I emailed in, and haven't heard back. So I assume they scrapped it
 
DSM
8:16 PM
Ah, comps. I still remember mine. Scary day, but ended well.
 
user559633
mister big shot "i can read" over here
 
@JonClements: good to see you again, good sir. What is the question?
 
Sorry, I meant the alt text.
 
@DSM: you went to queens, IIRC. Yes?
 
DSM
Alba gu bràth!
 
8:17 PM
@inspectorG4dget it was such a discovery we had to erase our memories of it, so as to not reveal the Universe's secret... Sorry!
 
ghlaarblarpf!
 
And we were supposed to erase our memories of erasing our memories of it too, but I guess it didn't take.
Here, Jon, look into the shiny red light...
 
mind-ception!
 
@DSM hmm thanks for the link to qcut, can't do exactly what I wanted but I've managed something else with it nonetheless.
 
DSM
@Ffisegydd: there's an open issue regarding improving support for intervals. Since qcut returns strings it's a bit of a nuisance to use, but we're hoping to fix it.
 
8:21 PM
@Kevin erase our memories? About what...?
 
okay, now that the gang's all here: I'm sure I've asked this before, but I can't find the conversation. What do you guys think about letting high-rep/badge users comment cleanup on their own posts/conversations?
 
user559633
I'm not sure thats a feature.
 
user559633
And good god, why is almost everyone here?
 
@JonClements This note I have in my hand says that we should try not to think too hard about it. Strange, it's in my handwriting, but I don't remember writing it.
There's a postscript: "try not to think too hard about that either"
Case closed, I guess!
 
@Kevin must have been all the tequila... that's okay then...
 
8:24 PM
I actually really like flask-restless ._. this is incredibly convenient
 
17 hours ago, by inspectorG4dget
where do you come down on giving high rep users the ability to comment cleanup?
 
Either that, or your new medication taking technique is flawed... but I suppose the irony is you can't remember which combination to not take any more... sighs
 
wonder if there's a 7 pass overwrite for remembering/forgetting stuff
@ZeroPiraeus: I meant even before that. We didn't exactly resolve the issue yesterday
 
@inspectorG4dget so are you suggesting that as an OP - you should be able to clean up comments by others (for instance) on your post?
 
I don't like this idea
I don't think users should be able to cleanup others posts.
 
DSM
8:27 PM
I want the power for myself, but not for others. (Wait, didn't Kevin say something like this earlier? Probably.)
 
No, but I thought it... I better resurface my tin foil hat.
 
Just flagging a comment/flagging the post and suggesting comments can be purged, generally works well enough...
 
I mean, I want to clean comments on comment conversations that I was a part of
 
@inspectorG4dget that means all conversations, though.
 
Um... not quite sure if that's a massive advantage over whatever can be done now... and I'm sure could be open for abuse...
 
8:31 PM
well, then restrict to high-rep users? perhaps make it a 10k priv?
 
That's my issue, I've seen some high-rep users that are proper ****s who can be vile in the comments.
(Without naming names)
 
Oh, go on, name some names ;-)
 
And that's just in Python. I'd imagine other tags (php, C++) are even worse.
 
bahaha! Can you imagine PERL?
 
No. No one can imagine perl.
:P they try it and then they wake up 3 days later missing half a lobe of their brain.
 
8:34 PM
hahaha!
 
user559633
I'm a snarkmaster5000 in the comments sometimes. I don't ever think I'm outright vile though.
 
DSM
If Perl didn't exist, Dante would have had to invent it.
 
user559633
Perl is a great write-only language with many reasons for it to be a partial bash-scripting replacement.
 
DSM
That seems about right; my grad school officemate used perl, and after a bit of practice I could follow his few-dozen-line scripts. Beyond that it was a bit much.
 
@Ffisegydd: check out the comments on this one: stackoverflow.com/a/196919
 
8:39 PM
I'm not saying that comments don't need cleaning up, I'm just saying let the mods do it.
 
user559633
dead dove do not eat
 
user559633
weird. recruiter guy changed his name to something that makes it clear that he'd spam us if he could stackoverflow.com/users/4051773/opposingthetypicalitrecruiter
 
user559633
no, that's pretty typical to bad-recruiter behavior to spam developers on forum/chat/twitter messages
 
grumble. I dislike the fact that mods have to handle small things like comment cleanup. But I guess that's just me
 
DSM
Are there so few un(der)employed devs that it's hard to find them?
Seems like a pretty low return to find people who shouldn't be hiding.
 
8:50 PM
well, they get recruited out of school pretty quickly
 
user559633
at 20-30% of the first year salary as a payout, it's worth it to recruiters to spam and annoy
 
Hey, he might be friendly, and since he can't respond let's not jump to conclusions. I just thought the name was funny when I pointed it out.
 
user559633
It's since been changed to what you'd expect.
 
user559633
Whatevs. Some people contribute work to the world, others are there to shuffle things and take a profit.
 
I love when you know the question is really an XY problem and you take a shot at solving problem X instead of Y, then get the correct answer :)
p.s. Is there anyway to get exactly 2 rep?
 
8:59 PM
Approved edit before 3000 rep
Up to 1000 rep gained through edits
 
@Humdinger: get upvoted on an answer, and downvoted 4 times. That'll give you exactly 2 rep
 
@Humdinger you may have previously been downvoted (losing you 2 rep) and someone reversed it (making it look like +2)
 
hmm... getting an approved edit might be the best way to go....
 
user559633
i see martijn activity
 
user559633
did someone reboot him?
 
9:20 PM
Why is the 'Interesting" tab on questions only visible when I initally log in?
If I go to questions, it becomes "newest" and the interesting tab goes away..
 
user559633
you can click on the stackoverflow image to the left to bring it back
 
@tristan I see. Seams like strange behaviour to me but w/e
 
Regarding Django: What's the best way to have an object as always available?
there's an object than I need for every single request
 
user559633
i presume "views" is a different view
 
how do I avoid having to recreate the object every single time?
 
user559633
9:33 PM
@saccharine is it a constant? is it a query?
 
nope it's a class instance
 
user559633
django has a built-in cache, right?
 
user559633
on first access, check if it's in cache and set if not, on subsequent, just grab it from cache
 
user559633
otherwise, you just need to bind a reference to that obj to something that doesn't get garbage collected (i'm not a django guy)
 
the code I'm working on now binds it to global :D
 
user559633
9:36 PM
mehhh
 
I'm hoping to change it to something ese
but the original developer believes that since the app is cpu bound, adding it to the python memory is the most efficient method
 
user559633
in what way is it CPU bound? actual work or i/o wait?
 
user559633
oh wait, "believes." i wouldn't do anything until you actually profile and measure.
 
NO!!! I got another upvote and wasnt able to get to '999' rep in time :(
 
user559633
get an approved edit
 
9:48 PM
trying too
there is not enough bad english people writing questions today
 
user559633
it annoys the yam out of me that xcode's minimum size is more than half of a 13" macbook air's resolution at 1440x900
 
user559633
even though without the sidebars, it's beyond the width of a page. who decided that 950px wide was minimum GG
 
A ha! Approved edit! Now I need to loose 10 points... Does reversing an upvote cause a decrease in 10 points?
 
user559633
yes, now go insult someone that upvoted you
 
9:55 PM
lol
@Kevin Your cabbage is rotten and I threw it out!
 
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