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it's obviously homework
 
@tristan indeed... but that's not a reason to close - they've made an attempt and are asking why their code isn't work... as far as homework questions go, it's one of the better demonstrations of asking I've seen
 
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༼ ͒ ̶ ͒༽
 
12:21 AM
Could be evil and post something like:
from collections import Counter
from string import ascii_lowercase
lookup = dict(
    dict.fromkeys(ascii_lowercase, 'C'),
    **dict.fromkeys('aeiou', 'V')
)
print(Counter(lookup[ch] for ch in mystr if ch in lookup))
 
user559633
i thought about having him install nltk
 
user559633
that solution is kind of elegant @JonClements
 
user559633
**dict.fromkeys('aeiou', 'V') what's going on here with the kwarg?
 
It's a horrendous way of doing .update :)
So it's: lookup = dict.fromkeys(ascii_lowercase, 'C'); lookup.update(dict.fromkeys('aeiou', 'V'))
 
user559633
neat
 
user559633
1:01 AM
youtube.com/watch?v=UEBIsUsvheA this video has a great style
 
1:15 AM
@Ffisegydd OK, thanks. For some reason Slack actually works at work, while sopython.com and SO chat don't, unless I use my cell phone as a wifi hotspot. Go figure...
 
 
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2:39 AM
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A: Impose a re-entry delay on users kicked out of a chat room

balphaThis has been implemented now. The short story is: room owners can kick abusive users, who will then be banned from re-entering the room for a certain time. Of course you want not just the short story but all the dirty details, so here they are: In the user popup that appears when you click on ...

It's a start at least and hints at more in the works :)
 
Uh oh. I just joined chat for the first time a few minutes ago. I hope this isn't directed at me.
 
haha - no @JohnKugelman - welcome :)
cbg @SomeKittens
 
Django 1.7, we're getting relation "django_content_type" does not exist when trying to run a migration.
Google doesn't help - what's out there is < 1.7
 
Phew!
 
2:44 AM
Well, just had to check a server alert... better try and get back to sleep before I wake up properly
@SomeKittens pass - only recently upgraded something to 1.7 and haven't had to do any migrations yet... so - I'm interested, but not in a situation to even take a guess :(
 
ah, sorry.
 
no worries - just didn't want to come across as rude :)
rbrb for now
 
user559633
rb
 
user559633
oof, checking server alerts
 
user559633
20:27:23 up 7 days, 22:51, 2 users, load average: 2382.91, 1024.56, 388.04
 
3:07 AM
@tristan awesome. Just 100% pure awesome.
 
user559633
I like to think think one of my cores just really believed in itself
 
actually, I was replying to your reddit post earlier. Still haven't convinced myself that it wasn't a troll, but in either case it's damn funny. And damn scary...
 
3:24 AM
Another Django question: What on earth does "cannot be cast automatically to type integer, specify a USING expression to perform the conversion" mean?
 
user559633
@MattDMo it was a super old reddit post and it's just ugh
 
cbg
 
4:16 AM
cbg
@Zero, you just beat me by 18 seconds. But, my answer includes an example using with, so it's better :P
 
@MattDMo We'll let the votes be the judge of that, my lad!
Although yeah, yours is better :-(
Have an upvote :-)
 
thank you, kind sir :)
 
Well well ... turns out that was my 250th answer.
 
5:12 AM
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Q: How to send response headers and status from CGI scripts

PilotI am using CGIHTTPServer.py for creating simple CGI server. I want my CGI script to take care of response code if some operation goes wrong . How can I do that? Code snippet from my CGI script. if authmxn.authenticate(): stats = Stats() print "Content-Type: application/json" prin...

 
@Pilot - from the room's rules, "Do not link your recently posted questions in the room. The main site is the dedicated space for posting questions, and having them answered." Chances are everyone (or most everyone) in the room is already monitoring the New Questions feed, and have already seen your question, and will work on it if they have the time, interest, and expertise.
Thank you.
 
weren't you guys in gallery?
 
5:57 AM
can i ask how u guys link the post here with that funky snapshot? like how u guys posted some xkcd comic lookalike here
 
we're going to need a tad more detail
 
@compski if you just include a url with no other text it will sometimes automatically one box it
 
@Ffisegydd oh kk thx it worked
 
It works for: SO/SE questions, SO/SE comments, SO/SE chat messages, images, direct links to xkcd comics (balpha must be a fan :P), amazon links, and more.
 
Wikipedia's the other one that comes to mind.
 
6:16 AM
__________.cCc.aAa.bBb.bBb.aAa.gGg.eEe.__________
(oups.. I forgot that underscore also means emphasis..)
 
@Zero @Peter have a look gents
We've got kick-mute.
 
@Ffisegydd Yeah, just saw your Trello card. Joy!
 
YEAAAAAHHHHHYEAHYEAHYEAHEYAH
 
Also: rubs hands with evil glee
 
@ircmaxell There may be more to come. With the infrastructure changes I mentioned in the aside in this answer, it's now much easier to create more fine-grained bans (and conversely, additional permissions) that can be given to users. — balpha ♦ 15 hours ago
Hopefully Jon's "Give permission to users with <20 rep the ability to speak"
 
6:20 AM
this is quite nice :)
 
I remember I had to suffer so long as a new user to get my rep up to at least 20 just to go to chat .. grr those times
 
@Ffisegydd the only problem I have with this feature is the duration -- 1, 5, 30 min -- way too short periods
although, I must admit, still better than not having this feature at all
 
I think the middle duration is a bit short, maybe make it 10 or 15, but the others are fine IMO
 
I would start at 5, and then 20, and finally 60
but we'll see this in practice
maybe 1, 5, 30 is enough, I don't know -- it was only a hunch
 
A mod flag is raised on the 3rd so I suppose if someone is being really bad a mod can step in and ban them for a week
Aye, best to see in practice.
I hope we don't use it much at all.
 
6:28 AM
^ me too, ofc
 
@compski Nine hours doesn't seem excessive to be honest.
 
@ZeroPiraeus I'm sorry? 9 hours? I think I had to think of several questions and wait for weeks/months to get some upvotes. Tried answering questions but I didn't know how to answer so focused on setting up questions instead
 
@compski According to your profile, you joined at 19:58 UTC on Feb 2nd 2012, and exceeded 20 rep at 05:20 UTC the next day.
 
cbg
 
cbg @Jerry
 
6:35 AM
Wotcha @Jerry :-)
 
s'up pears
 
@ZeroPiraeus that's some good SO stalking
 
@RobertGrant They call me "the bloodhound". Or sometimes "get away from me you weirdo".
 
Both honourable names
 
@ZeroPiraeus turtles in and hides**
but in all seriousness, I totally forgot I got 20 rep quite fast .. I remember the first time I asked a question I got downvoted so much that I quit from SO for a pretty long time
 
7:05 AM
btw does anyone know what the equivalent of "instanceof" of java to python?
for example :
public boolean equals(Object v) {
return v instanceof Value && this.value.equals(((Value) v).value);
}
 
@Ffisegydd cheers!
cbg antti .. btw this question is for u : stackoverflow.com/questions/25767934/…
@Ffisegydd cheers!
 
rbrb
 
@compski ans'd
 
7:21 AM
@AnttiHaapala upvoted =p ill try it out
 
going to have to learn django just so I can answer questions
more django questions than anything else these days
 
@isedev most of them are me asking stupid questions :)
 
The trick is to find a niche. You need to balance it though. You want a niche that gets enough questions but doesn't have that many answerers.
 
@AnttiHaapala GENIUS OMG MY BIN FOLDER WAS HIDDEN UNDER THE "TARGET" FOLDER OMGG
 
Django gets a lot of questions but also has a lot of answerers
 
7:38 AM
This might be a cool question if anyone knows about Django serialization of many-to-many fields: stackoverflow.com/questions/25128985/…
I only mention it because I can see myself hitting that sort of thing one day and wish it just worked :)
 
7:50 AM
I answered this (stackoverflow.com/questions/25024795/django-1-7-where-to-put-the-code-to-add-gr‌​oups-programatically) question according to what I thought I was told yesterday; would someone mind checking I got it right? :)
 
c///\\\bbage
 
8:11 AM
@RobertGrant LGTM
 
can't one reject edits anymore because they are too minor?
 
morning
 
@DanielRoseman cool, thanks
 
ok... thx.
 
8:28 AM
@DanielRoseman saw your name in a git blame the other day! (Working for GD)
 
@IanClark Ah, probably lots to blame, I should think. Although I'm surprised there's much of my code left, I was only there for a year and left almost four years ago.
 
Interestingly I'm currently working with another ex-GD person (DavidT), and two others (Mazz and Gareth) left here recently.
 
heya @jon
 
cbg @Jon
 
8:33 AM
@Daniel - heh, yeh the frontend site is in need of some TLC
@Jon cbg ;)
 
Ughghgh... that dogs' home thing sucks
 
bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-29149581 (pah lack of BBC one-boxing) Pistorius has been found guilty of culpable homicide (I believe equivalent to manslaughter or 2nd degree murder).
 
@Ffisegydd I like the judge saying that "by unanimous decision of this court"... err... it's just her...
 
She has two other judges who aid her and I assume weigh in.
But yeah the final decision is hers
 
@Ffisegydd So he can get up to 15 years... who cares.... anyway poor doggies
 
8:37 AM
I saw the spitting image of @thefourtheye yesterday, though he was less snarly
 
@IanClark ahh... his non evil twin?
 
@Jon I can only assume
 
Anyway... better have a quick bit of brekkie then crack on... rbrb for a bit
 
@Ffisegydd yeah he'll probably go for a few years (suspended), keep his head down, announce the Reeva Steenkamp Foundation For Gun Control, and have a public future if he wants it
 
cpx
8:56 AM
what does 'enable desktop notification' do?
 
It means if I @username you a little message can appear quoting the message
 
The browser can show notifications, I think it's to use those
 
(If you're not currently on the tab)
 
If you click it the browser will prompt you to ask if you want to allow them, the same way it does when a website requests your location
 
cpx
yes, i allowed them for this session.
@cpx
 
8:58 AM
@cpx what does this do?
@cpx this is me replying to your message
 
cpx
it only appears for a second.
I think it means i'll have to allow them again if i re-enter the room
it's going to rain soon.
 
9:25 AM
cbg
where is martijn???!?!
martijn undergone a sudden and gratuitous total existence failure eh?
 
He's working with a client off-site so isn't as chatty.
 
Take the opportunity to get more rep.
 
damnit
 
I was "duelling" him in a question just now and winning (4-3) but based on his latest edits I feel obliged to upvote him to even it out :P
 
user559633
10:03 AM
@AnttiHaapala the server blade that martijn is hosted on is being serviced.
4
 
for parsing an xml file , is the foll :

doc_tree_parse = ET.fromstring(doc_xml)
doc_tree = ET.ElementTree(doc_tree_parse)

equivalent to

doc_tree = ET.ElementTree(doc_xml)
 
10:13 AM
@tristan the first priority for Martijn devops should be to make a high-availability version
 
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@AnttiHaapala that would reduce global entropy too much.
 
I am reading that php link of yours
 
I read that. It was disgusting...I mean... people were coding in php!
 
@Ffisegydd well, at least they had a way to fix things:
Username: [peter; sudo find -name \*php\* -delete]
 
I have a very funny jython importerror problem .. im doing "from com.compski.analytics.math.linearalgebra import CholeskyDecompositionCommons"
n the error says "ImportError: No module named **compski**" instead of expected " "ImportError: No module named **CholeskyDecompositionCommons**"
 
10:26 AM
little bobby tables is just mean, but pete here fixes things for you
so does imports of any other class work from there?
 
@AnttiHaapala no it doesnt and i already linked the bin stuff but the thing is my package is called "com.compski.analytics.math.linearalgebra"
n that package is under this folder "src/main/java"
 
so see that the actual class is found at com/compski/analytics/math/linearalgebra/CholeskyDecompositionCommons relative to some python path entry
 
@AnttiHaapala theres a bunch of classes under this folder "Analytics\target\classes\com\compski\analytics\math\linearalgebra" .. the bunch of java files under this folder "Analytics\src\main\java\com\compski\analytics\math\linearalgebra"
its a maven project btw
i the source folder on pythonpath with ""Analytics\target\classes\com\compski\analytics\math\linearalgebra" still gives me that error
 
user559633
 
NHS has ripped out Oracle and BT consultancy and replaced it with open source key value store Riak
Pretty impressive if it works
 
10:45 AM
anybody got python on windows?
 
i do
 
if so, what's the output format of os.path.abspath(<somepath>)? does it include the drive component? does it contains forward- or back-slashes?
must be one of the few people with no access to windows :)
 
ohh sorry don't know :)
 
could you try it? pretty please :)
ie. os.path.abspath('users')
found online python interpreters, but all running on linux...
 
wait
it is the current working directory
it is like os.chdir('C:/Users/isedev/lovepython')
for changing ur directory
forward slashed.. now i understand what u were asking :)
and inverted commas
 
10:51 AM
ok, so with drive letter and forward slash... cool, many thx
 
my pleasure
You could mark it as accepted :P @isedev
 
lol, of course... I'll ignore the question downvotes too :)
 
11:13 AM
well, blow me... some guy provides the exact same answer four minutes later and gets accepted.
can't complain though... trolling easy questions.
and he did provide an explanation at least
 
user559633
sometimes i think of answering easy questions like this: stackoverflow.com/questions/25806982/pip-version-in-virtualenv , but then i realize that my life is too short to walk people through how to debug
 
user559633
if you want the rep, he/she isn't paying attention to the shebang line in the virtualenv script
 
nah, just messing around whilst having lunch
how do you get the cv-pls tag, already?
 
user559633
argh someone starred it so now i'll answer
 
lol
 
11:20 AM
cbg
 
user559633
f me, syntax highlighting is fighting with me
 
cannot be reproduced and output (as posted) is impossible.
 
user559633
argh, too early. what's the python command to show file of import?
 
import sys
sys.path
 
file of import? i.e. file containing imported module?
 
11:33 AM
foo.__file__
 
user559633
there's a command for showing what file an import comes from
 
<module>.__file__
 
user559633
oh. duh. yeah. thanks
 
sys.modules['<module>'].__file__
 
user559633
12:04 PM
0
A: Pip version in virtualenv

tristanYou're having a problem because you're downgrading pip, but likely not changing virtualenv's behavior of installing the default pip. How would you go about debugging this? Find which virtualenv script is being called: [~] type -a virtualenv ...

 
user559633
and that's time i will never get back
 
user559633
idk, i hope enough people hit that issue that my answer becomes worthwhile.
 
Hmm, it's got 5+ code blocks, so it must be good. +1
 
user559633
Hah, it's pretty good. I thought about going into strace
 
user559633
12:11 PM
also, argh, now i have to go to 2048
 
user559633
this song is too catchy youtube.com/watch?v=UBS6MM05KdY
 
Some people seem to think that there's a step-by-step tutorial for everything someone might want to learn. I envy their optimism.
 
user559633
POB?
 
user559633
12:23 PM
@Kevin or they just do very easy things.
 
Primarily Opinion Based
 
user559633
danke
 
There's a twisted logic to it, I suppose. If everything you have learned up to now had accompanying tutorials, then it's reasonable to assume everything that can be learned has a tutorial.
Just like how it's reasonable to assume that grass is green and the sky is blue, not grue and bleen respectively. There's no reason to think the trend will change.
 
user559633
how do i link to a user? @:id ?
 
I don't know
 
12:33 PM
 
You linked that one already
 
I'll go with Too Broad for that one
 
why does this print links??
for item in doc_root:
    print item.tag,item.attrib
 
Presumably, item.tag is some kind of link object.
 
12:41 PM
what is the difference between these two ?chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/18840635#18840635
 
What's ET?
 
import xml.etree.ElementTree as ET
I was checking the type of the variables at each instruction to get an idea what they actually do..
 
if doc_xml is a string, the second one should crash because ElementTree's first argument is supposed to be a "root element", which I assume is some kind of non-string object
 
doc_xml is of type str
got it by using a combination of zipfile and .read on a docx
so fromstring looks like the best bet
 
Actually, reading the source, it won't crash right away because __init__ doesn't do any type checking at all on its arguments
 
12:48 PM
yes it dint crash..
 
What about if you do anything with the resulting ElementTree object? Iterate over it or whatever?
 
You know any proper tutorials for this? I need to get a hang of what types are to be dealth with , there are so many instructions :
fromstring, et.parse, et.elementtree
 
ex.
>>> et.ElementTree("derp").findtext("bluh")
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
  File "C:\Python27\lib\xml\etree\ElementTree.py", line 723, in findtext
    return self._root.findtext(path, default, namespaces)
AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'findtext'
 
iterating either gives that kind of a link or an attribute error
I want to find text with particular font color
or size.
the main problem is parsing it
I went through a tutorial yesterday and it was quite simple .
 
Something like
for node in tree.iter():
    if node["size"] == 10 or node["color"] == "red": print node.text
 
12:55 PM
yeah , thats cool but looks like I'll have to play around with different sets of instructions to parse it.
 
FWIW I'm working with elementtree myself, and Et.parse(filename).getroot() works perfectly
 
its filled with stuffs like <w:sz w:val = 24>
filename is a .xml file?
 
Yeah.
 
anyone has been able to connect Plone in oracle using SQLAlchemy and cx_Oracle?
 
z = zf.ZipFile("doc2.docx")
doc_xml = z.read("word/document.xml")
 
12:57 PM
I don't have any tag names with colons in them or anything, though
 
should i skip .read function?
 
@rogcg, can't say I've ever tried that
 
LOL I've installed cx_Oracle, also installed SQLAlchemy via buildout
however, on Zope administration, when trying to configure to connect to oracle server, I have a "LocationError" with initial state invalidated
=(
I have no idea. LOL
 
I don't think parse would accept a zipfile or an xml string, so I guess my approach won't work here
 
if i use fromstring on doc_xml since it is str type , then there isn't any getroot attribute
:(
 
1:00 PM
Terrible hacky solution: unzip file, save the contents to a non-zip file, parse that filename
Maybe you don't need getroot when you do fromstring. Maybe fromstring already returns the root.
 
yeah true
 
Say I make a package called foo and I have a file bar.py and so I import this with import foo.bar. Say I use import numpy as np inside this file I then have foo.bar.np as well as my own function (say it's called foo.bar.baz). Is there a way to not have numpy be in the namespace (I believe that's the term).
 
maybe that's the actual tag name. Maybe there's a tag in your file that literally looks like <{http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main}body> some stuff goes here </{http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main}body>.
 
renaming numpy.py to np.py?? @Ffisegydd
 
1:04 PM
@Swordy no.
 
ohh , so any way to iterate over the entire thing? @Kevin
 
underscored variables aren't visible in imported modules, right? Maybe you could do import numpy as _np?
@Swordy the iter method ought to do it
 
Ooooh I didn't know that (or if I did I'd forgotten it).
Kevin if this works you'll have truly earned the gold star I gave you yesterday.
 
fist pump
 
@Kevin yeah that does it .. but its all links.. nee to display some text too..
 
1:07 PM
But... why can't I get a gold star? meep meep - can't believe you like the green/white random thingy more than the cute yellow puppy :( meep meep
 
moot point, because it in fact does not work when I test it. I can refer to mymodule._thing all I want
@Swordy print node.text, then?
 
@Kevin yeah that worked but i guess this is just one root out of many others ;)
 
@Kevin Indeed... but it kind of implies you shouldn't :)
 
@Kevin could you share any link that could get me started (in case you have some in your mind)??
 
Yeah yeah, we're all adults and therefore free to shoot ourself in the foot as much as we want
A lovely philosophy, to be sure
 
1:11 PM
@Ffisegydd what's the concern about having it visible anyway?
 
Aesthetic, emotional, and spiritual reasons.
 
@Swordy Sorry, the only reference I used for my own project was the official doc page
 
Dunno. Just seems a bit untidy if someone uses my package and they tab-complete to find np and plt everywhere.
 
All the elementtree-specific code I wrote, I pretty much pasted in here during our conversation. It doesn't amount to much :-)
 
ohk no problem , thanks a lot @Kevin
 
1:13 PM
@Ffisegydd I just wouldn't worry about it... look at pretty much any package/module and you'll find it having imported other libraries under some name that have already been imported previously anyway
 
Horrible solution: erase all imports from the top of your files, and paste them into the top of each of your functions
Ah, here's where I got the mistaken underscore idea: "[from whatever import *] imports all names except those beginning with an underscore (_)."
 
@Jon YES BUT THIS ISN'T ANY PACKAGE THIS IS MY BABY! O_O
 
@Ffisegydd your baby is :
import ffisegydd as stewie
 
user559633
derp why can't i copy paste, i don't want to learn shit i just want you to fix it for me stackoverflow.com/questions/25806982/pip-version-in-virtualenv/…
 
1:20 PM
@Ffisegyddg Get over it Stewie! shakes Stewie - get over it man! Get over it! The baby ain't worth the hassle!
 
You do realise you're shaking a baby right now? Monster
 
Is shaking a baby side to side playfully in your jaws not what a puppy is supposed to do then? :(
 
No, you're not supposed to. Just another one of society's unwritten rules
 
If it's not in writing - it doesn't exist... and even if it was, I can go all Gaspode-mode and claim ignorance about reading stuff anyway...
 
That trick only works in universes that don't have animal control squads
 
1:26 PM
And one where you can be a magic dog
 
I downvoted somebody and now my rep isn't divisible by 5 any more :-( I regret my actions.
Guess I gotta go downvote four more people...
 
@Kevin as long as you're doing that for the reason of making your rep divisible by 5 and not being biased on the quality of peoples' posts... that's cool... doing your bit for the community and all that :)
 
Lately, all the Flask and SQLAlchemy questions have been bad. In the sense of "Why would you ever do that?" They don't actually need down/close votes, but it's too much effort to explain why they're wrong.
 
I'm closing in on 6k.
 
Not even close, my tags have been quiet.
 
1:38 PM
SQLAlchemy looks cool; might look at it after this project
 
Ask good questions! :)
 
I had two nice questions earlier that were really simple list comps. Martijn jumped in on one though and stole all my glory with stoopid itertools :'(
 
Same for me but with format
 
Got 50 rep from it though so shouldn't complain (but I will, at length).
 
@davidism :)
 
1:41 PM
Good questions huh... Ok, I can do this. "If SQLAlchemy was a tree, what kind of tree would it be?"
(this appears opinion-based at first glance, but it's really not!)
 
I answered a quick pdb question last night for 35, that's about it.
 
Well - I've got 10 rep today - fear me :)
 
I didn't know about debug in IPython
 
user559633
haha oof. i wrote like a page and got less ups than you did for that @davidism
 
@Kevin a magic tree
 
1:44 PM
Page long answers are too much for most users' miniscule attention spans
 
@Kevin it's not a tree, it's a graph
it's a BST
 
user559633
a magic trie??!
 
user559633
argh i didn't want to learn i just wanted you to fix it
 
it's a red black tree
Okay, I give up
 
The correct answer is "spruce"
Partial points to davidism, because some spruce trees are magical, and some magical trees are spruces.
 
1:45 PM
That was my second choice!
It's fair to say that question stumped most of us.
 
user559633
Get out.
 
user559633
Go; there's the door.
 
Wood you let me stay, please?
 
you must leaf before tristan beats you about the face and neck with a branch
 
Yew should be *ash*amed
Ah, the mid-word italics fail
 
1:50 PM
Markup fails again. Thanks, Obama!
 
user559633
i saw what you did there
 
Ok @tristan you've ruined it now.
Thanks.
 
user559633
Yew're welcone.
 
Dupe
 
Pun re-use alert!
 
user559633
1:52 PM
Don't bark at me
 
@tristan that willow er your rep
 
user559633
oh no, i've been *pine*ing over my rep
 
This. This is what kick-mute was made for.
 
Oh god... I've just twigged what's going on... I don't like it! :p
 
user559633
For root ing out pro blooms?
 
1:54 PM
41
A: Impose a re-entry delay on users kicked out of a chat room

balphaThis has been implemented now. The short story is: room owners can kick abusive users, who will then be banned from re-entering the room for a certain time. Of course you want not just the short story but all the dirty details, so here they are: In the user popup that appears when you click on ...

In case anyone missed it ^^^
 
@tristan
lol
 
user559633
Just shrub off the bad puns
 
@Ffisegydd at least this is better than developing in sap
 
Ooh, fancy new RO tools.
 
I'm realising that a bit of db design I handwaved away is possibly quite hard
This is going to be a fun Friday afternoon
 
user559633
1:58 PM
I'm not a RO. ;__;
 

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