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8:00 PM
I wonder if "may increase incidence of anorexia" was in DARPA's original proposal for the Internet.
 
That's a lie.
We rarely have any serious conversation going on...
There's simply a stupid conversation, and a stupider one.
 
> @DSM I know, I would not call python formatting a string interpolation, bc to me it SI means that of perl, php etc. Python does not have it :D
Sounds pretty damn normal - oh wait. That's just based on perspective.
 
DSM
Okay, now it's 16:00+. Time to begin shutting things down. @corvid: thanks for the hints, I'll give it a go this weekend!
 
Well you just had a conversation about serious conversations. That's almost a serious conversation.
 
DSM
But you lose half your points for every level of meta.
 
8:03 PM
I have no clue what meta is. Am I the dumb one here?
I know it's like... uh... I can't even explain it.
 
Defining it is a lot harder than recognizing it.
 
DSM
It's like art, or, er, other things.
 
> (of a creative work) referring to itself or to the conventions of its genre; self-referential.
 
Soup.
 
Tomato?
Vegetable?
Beautiful?
 
8:05 PM
It's like water. It's impossible to describe. What is meta? We just don't know.
 
Some soups are thicker than some stews, but you still know they're soups.
 
DSM
@Iplodman: "conversation about serious conversations" = a metaconversation.
 
A conversation about metaconversations is a metametaconversation.
 
A conversation about metametaconversations is a metametametaconversation.
 
Stop this madness!
 
DSM
8:06 PM
See, now you're getting it!
 
Maybe it's a hyperconversation?
 
Stop this Sparta, don't you mean?
 
A conversation about meta-N conversations is a meta-(N+1) conversation.
 
Thinks hard about what a bird is
 
But what do you call a conversation about the construction of conversations of arbitrary meta levels?
(such as this one)
 
8:07 PM
An uberconversation.
 
DSM
Maybe we should reserve hyperconversation for ω-level conversations. But I don't want to get into arguments about the Continuum Hypothesis, I'm mathed-out this week.
 
Is there such a thing as an infraconversation?
 
If you have a conversation about all conversations that don't mention themselves, should you mention itself?
 
And does a meta-infraconversation cancel itself out and become a conversation again?
 
Check who never replies again, it means their heads just exploded because they were robots.
 
8:10 PM
That statement is False.
 
The proper human response to paradoxical conversations like this one is to stop talking about them because you typed "conversation" too many times and now it doesn't even look like a real word.
 
You have to take care with the conservation of the word "conversation", yes.
 
@Ffisegydd That third one disappoints me because it's not a paradox. The answer is "yes".
 
DSM
My mind doesn't have room for this many conversations. So I'll just ask them all to move over one spot and then I can fit one more in.
 
8:13 PM
I guess "does the set of all sets that don't contain themselves, contain itself?" couldn't fit all on one line
 
In the foundations of mathematics, Russell's paradox (also known as Russell's antinomy), discovered by Bertrand Russell in 1901, showed that the naive set theory created by Georg Cantor leads to a contradiction. The same paradox had been discovered a year before by Ernst Zermelo but he did not publish the idea, which remained known only to Hilbert, Husserl and other members of the University of Göttingen. According to naive set theory, any definable collection is a set. Let R be the set of all sets that are not members of themselves. If R is not a member of itself, then its definition dictates...
 
@Kevin But then it would not contain all sets. There would always be an upper level.
 
I thought Russel's paradox was the one about hairdressers having lousy haircuts.
 
No that's Russéll's paradox.
 
I uploaded some stuff to the web.
 
8:15 PM
The barber paradox is linked on that page, if that's what you're thinking of
 
DSM
Rüssëll. It's fun to put dots on things.
 
@Iplodman you should get a Github account and upload them as Gists
 
@Kevin My mind was just blown.
 
Actually no, it was just a cheap (and these days inaccurate IME) shot at the hair of stylists.
 
@Ffisegydd Sure.
 
8:16 PM
Makes it easier to share code and also looks good for employers if you have an active Github account
 
I think I need to finally ditch bitbucket. Not that I have anything interesting on there TBH.
I had a bad experience with hg-git a while back and have been putting it off.
 
I tried bitbucket the other day and found the UX awful
 
@Ffisegydd Thanks for the advice :P
 
At least compared to Github
 
It's terrible, yeah. But Github doesn't do Mercurial :-(
 
8:19 PM
> Great repository names are short and memorable. Need inspiration? How about massive-octo-dubstep.
Ahahah xD
 
And if you're talking bad UX, git takes the cake.
 
So do I just put all that stuff in one repository? If so, I'll just call it Gubbins.
 
If GitHub started supporting Mercurial, I would never look back.
 
Github is just easy to use. I've never tried hg so can't speak as to which is better (hg or git)
@Iplodman you can use Gists, hang on a sec I'll find the link.
A Gist is basically a single file repo
 
Oh, is that how people fork things?
 
8:21 PM
Rather than full repos they're single files, but they can be forked, etc by other users.
 
I'm still a little confused. I'll work it out.
Oh, I get it :P
@Ffisegydd Just for the record, that salad language translator is amazing.
 
Eh I could do better, it was a test.
When we get RABBIT back in we can make a translator.
 
What's RABBIT?
 
Maybe we should change sopython.com/pages/chatroom to suggest gist.github.com rather than dpaste ... the ability to fork would be quite handy for helping people with their code.
 
@Iplodman it's a Node.js bot that can join the room and you can issue it commands.
 
8:32 PM
Oh, right. Like an in-room google?
 
DSM
Shiny rhubarb to all! The weather guys are warning of "dime to ping pong ball size hail and torrential rain", so I should probably try to get a little closer to home, just in case.
 
Also, if anyone knows how to make a standalone Python 3.x executable, I'd apperciate it done with this. I swear to God, it never works for me.
@DSM Cya! :D
 
@Iplodman kinda. You could issue commands like !!translate Hello folks
The JS room have one called Caprica Six
 
@Ffisegydd That's pretty cool.
A wild Github account appeared!
 
You can edit the syntax highlighting to make it Python
 
8:38 PM
I swear I did that already ;-;
Yeah, I did. It's not doing it.
 
@DSM fingers crossed a helmet is unnecessary.
 
Every time I update it it goes back to standard text.
 
:/ strange
 
IKR :l
It's not registering as changed.
 
Hey guys,
im new to python and I have a certain text which has "un: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX"
and so I want to get this line with pattern matching, tried re.search("un:", text) but it doesnt work
 
8:41 PM
What do you mean by 'It doesn't work'?
Be more specific, or we'll rip yer' face off with a 9 gauge shotgun.
 
:) it print this:
<_sre.SRE_Match object; span=(935, 938), match='un:'>
what I wrote is:
un = re.search("un:", lvl8)
print(un)
lvl8 is a variable with the text
 
You can do:
un = re.search("un:", lvl8)
print(un)
To format code. Pate it in to the chat box and hit Ctrl+K.
 
Cool thanks, i'll know to do so in the future, any idea as to my problem?
 
I have no clue why it's doing that. It thinks that you're printing an object, rather than it's result.
 
:/
 
8:49 PM
>>> import re
>>> m = re.search("un:", text)
>>> m.group(0)
@Tomer.Z Try something like that.
Or...
re.search("un:", text).group(0)
So basically, it's gonna be print(re.search("un:", text).group(0)).
 
seems to work, thanks! :)
 
No problem! :D
Next time, look for resources by Googling 'How to use this function.
I found the answer in the docs for re.
@Tomer.Z Oh, it's happening because re.search() returns an object.
*paste ;-;
 
I assumed this would work but it doesn't. Is there a pythonic way of doing what U want?

x = [' ', ' ', ' ', ' ']
x[1:3] = 2
I must be doing something wrong
 
9:09 PM
@Vader Try:
x = [' ', ' ', ' ', ' ']

for i in range(1, 4):
	x[i] = 2
 
hmm
I feel like my method should work
it seems pythonic to me
thanks @Iplodman
 
Nope, and even if it did, it would just replace items 1 through to 3 with two, logically.
No problem :P
 
@Iplodman yes, that was my goal
 
I mean, a single '2'.
Not three of them.
 
ahh
bbl
 
9:14 PM
Cya :P
 
10:03 PM
cbg
 
10:24 PM
@tristan hasn't been dead to me in a long time.
Wow.
 
user559633
I'm actually feeling pretty limber.
 
user559633
Or is this @Iplodman's brother?
 
Nope, this is the real me, not just fantasy.
And yes, I just made a vague Queen reference.
 
user559633
Oh, don't worry, I got it...even though it was realllllllly vague.
 
xD
I'm writing a Blackjack game, but I really can't be bothered.
I've decided to just not. It's really boring ;-;
 
user559633
10:49 PM
:) i'm drinking and writing a bot for hackerschool's chat
 
11:14 PM
@tristan Sounds fancy! :D
What's it's purpose?
I have a feeling that a black keyboard with black keys isn't the best combo for night time writing.
 
user559633
standard chatbot: listens for messages sent to it with specific syntax. if you call it like io so c++ vector it will search stackoverflow for it.
 
user559633
just making a pluggable python async bot
 
Those words mean a whole bunch of nothing to me.
So it looks for content on SO that matches the message?
 
user559633
you're smart, you can totally get it :)
 
user559633
exactly.
 
user559633
11:18 PM
or other things
 
user559633
know when you say like import blah then use it like blah.function ?
 
Yep?
 
user559633
Okay, now imagine that you could say like from plugins import stackoverflow and then chatbot.add_handler(stackoverflow)
 
user559633
that's what i mean by pluggable
 
user559633
and by "async" i mean "when the bot is running some function, that shouldn't block it from receiving requests to do other work"
 
11:20 PM
Oh, right. That makes more sense :P
 
user559633
:)
 
I have too much spare time. I'm playing a game revolving around dots and curvy fever.
 
user559633
You're young. You should have the time to do whatever you want :)
 
Good point :P
 
user559633
Also, are you having fun when doing that?
 
11:24 PM
Sure as hell am.
 
user559633
Then you're fine.
 
:D
 
user559633
Right? No one should dictate what is enjoyable to you.
 
Of course not. I get called a nerd at school, but I'm hella' fine with that.
I love being a nerd.
 
what are some good games to play?
 
11:27 PM
Curve Fever! :D
I'm on it now.
 
user559633
@Iplodman Yeah. Giving this sort of advice makes me feel old, but ignore those idiots. Be 'you' and enjoy it. In 10 years (without sharing your age to people that don't remember it), you'll be through college/uni and free to do whatever you want. Those that said 'boo, nerd' will already be settled into their sad, little lives* and your beautiful personality will be flourishing.
 
user559633
*unless they're rich, in which case, they're just pricks and live ain't fair, but hey, they're the ones that ostracized someone for mental pursuits
 
user559633
I would give the advice to find a physical activity/workout that you enjoy. CPU can't run when the rest of the computer is broken and all that.
 
It's so true.
@tristan Hm. I would, but I'm not fit and hate sports.
Far from fit, really.
 
user559633
You'll find something :) I went through/competed in multiple sports before finding something.
 
user559633
11:32 PM
I really like cycling and boxing. Maybe you'll like the same or maybe you'll just enjoy jogging.
 
I like archery, but I don't have a good club near me.
I have my own bow an' stuff.
 
user559633
I remember :) remember that you like archery for later.
 
user559633
Also, make sure to differentiate between "don't like because it's hard/i'm bad at it" and "i don't like it"
 
user559633
 
No, I just hate most 'active' sports, or lack the self esteem to be fit and go do them.
 
user559633
11:36 PM
what about them?
 
What do you mean?
 
user559633
there are physical activities that don't "really" involve other people
 
user559633
What do you hate about them?
 
user559633
besides "a lot of dumb butt idiots do like/them"
 
Mainly that.
 
user559633
11:38 PM
OH MAN I CANT RELATE AT ALL
 
Team sports aren't about the team at a teenage level.
Football - Ball hogs
Ultimate frisbee - Frisbee hogs
Etc, etc, ect.
 
user559633
Boxing can be learning how to throw punches and then working out by hitting the bag. Jogging = headphones and moving your body.
 
I honestly lack the self esteem to go out and jog, or go to the gym.
 
user559633
why does that hit your self esteem?
 
user559633
when i see someone new at the gym and he/she is toughing it out, i respect that.
 
11:41 PM
I'd rather not go into it.
 
user559633
i think most gym regulars, especially those over 20, really respect people trying.
 
user559633
fair enough.
 
But teenagers are all wan-... not very nice people.
BUy me a boxing bag and I'll happily throw some punches. I'd just do it in my own home.
*Buy
 
user559633
I don't know your situation, but even if you have a physical disability, there's ways to take care of yourself.
 
No, nothing like that.
Not a disability.
 
user559633
11:44 PM
Any who, yeah, it's hard, but you're a bright young chap and fuck what those stupid wankers think. You won't remember any of them really existed when you're older.
 
Yep, but I still have to deal with those wankers now.
I get your point, but I'd just rather get healthy a bit at home before hitting the gym/bag.
 
user559633
sure, do what you need to do, but remember anyone that's not a total idiot will respect a newcomer to fitness
 
@tristan Good to know.
 
user559633
i mean, besides me, because michelangelo chiseled me out of marble, except with larger boy parts
 
Also, I'm trying a new archery club after we move house, and taking up airsoft soon after :P
Ahahahaha xD
AIRSOFT!
That's something I want to do :D
 
user559633
11:49 PM
they allow you brits airsoft?
 
It's running about shootin' bitches.
Yep.
 
user559633
i figured there would be official inquiries and petitions about how they scared a dog
 
We have an association thing to deal with those pesky hobbyists.
You have to be over 18 for a black gun xD
 
user559633
haha, i love britain
 
Brits are scared of everything but tea and crumpets.
 
user559633
11:51 PM
haha. we have those bits of america too
 
So do I, but the people who run it are twats.
Cough MICHAEL GOVE Cough
 
user559633
i uhh, don't know anything about british politics
 
user559633
how do kings work in england?
 
user559633
could i like...joust your current king?
 
Michael Gove fucked up education with iGCSEs and then removed it.
I once watched jousting.
IRL.
Two men stabbing each other with sticks.
 
user559633
11:55 PM
haha i started reading the wiki for 'iGCSE' and then it started referencing other british things that no one in the west has heard of
 
Their long, hard, stiff sticks...
@tristan Ahaha xD
 
user559633
Normally I have to pay extra to see that kind of penetration!!!!
 
user559633
Cough, I mean.
 
They hit each other in their faces...
Ahaha xD
I PROPOSE ANOTHER TOPIC.
 
user559633
Just long hard rods throbbling on the back of a muscley horse and we're still in #python on stackoverflow dot com for programmers
 
user559633
11:57 PM
PROPOSAL ACCEPTED AND ENACTED
 
@tristan There is no off topic in SOs Python chat room xD
 
user559633
Right? Thank the old and new gods for an interpreted scripting language with no quirks
 
user559633
Whoa no thanks
 
Did that offend you by any chance?
 
Does anyone has experience with the galaxy editor
 
11:58 PM
:P
 
@Iplodman Please tell me why I shouldn't flag that.
 
@aliteralmind Because it had context.
A word such as 'finger' is offensive with context.
 
user559633
It's a loaded term that is used to denigrate large populations of people and is a terrible slur that is being used in a tongue-in-cheek way by people for some reason.
 
user559633
Let's move on, please.
 

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