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9:00 PM
IDK, I'm not experienced enough in other languages to compare, but it just seems neat (to put it simply).
 
I think that squares with Guido's intent. If I recall, he writes that new OOP programmers find implicit self to be confusing, and he wanted to remove that source of confusion.
 
Indeed.
I appreciate Guido's guesture!
 
Haha, I keep looking on the wrong end of the stack trace (Ruby prints the top of the stack first; Python prints it last).
 
Finally, my thing built. And suddenly, my project is 99.5% java
 
DSM
9:22 PM
FWIW I like the method/function similarity, but I find it hard to get worked up about self one way or another. I did vote against using @ for decorators, though, in part because I wondered if eventually we'd borrow something more Ruby-style.
 
Come to the dark side...
I think Python should stay Python, actually.
A language should be true to itself.
 
what is ruby-style?
 
DSM
I mean their use of @, see here.
@Wayne: I quite like Ruby; it fits into the same "get stuff done language" slot in my brain as Python does. Why can't we all just get along? is how I think of it.
 
Agreed.
 
hm I never really liked that, I think a word intentifier is easier, like how global is
 
9:35 PM
I was going to say that something like @ is pretty much obligatory once you have implicit self, but that's not entirely true. Java and C++, for example, have "this" instead of "self", but the language will, when possible infer it. You only need an explicit "this" when things get ambiguous.
 
DSM
And that ambiguity leads to wars about whether you should do this->var = var in a constructor or start tossing m_ prefixes around or whatnot.. well, I suppose it beats working, most of the time.
 
Haha, yeah.
 
10:03 PM
@JonClements and @Kevin => Predestination -- the less you know the better (as always). Not the best in this "genre", and has a few twists which could be seen from miles away, however, it has some pretty nice concepts and ideas.. I guess worth watching, enjoy! ;)
(6.9/10 from me)
 
@Peter will give that a go at some point then maybe
6.9 is rather specific? :p
 
:)
@JonClements well, I'm hesitating giving it 7
 
DSM
10:18 PM
@Jon: was it you who was commenting on the appearance of a lot of people referencing one of the standard machine learning datasets (which has <50K as an entry) lately?
 
10:31 PM
yup @dsm
 
Before I try to follow the advice in this guide to Python library packaging, is there anything in it that will mislead this newbie into doing something dumb?
 
DSM
@Jon: well, I agree. :-) I've been seeing a definite uptick too. Wonder if it's being used in some ML course somewhere.
 
@DSM good - glad it wasn't just me... :)
Anyway - got my Friday night comedy in... time for a quick snooze before deploying a couple of things... rbrb for the moment
 
DSM
Rhubarb for you!
 
melon!
 
11:31 PM
cbg all!
 
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