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1:00 PM
since you're our "mad scientist", I'm worried you're expressing that in F, and not in K :)
 
I have a device which can raise Earth's temperature to the requisite temperature, but dads all across the planet have united against me, saying "don't touch that dial, we're not made of money, if you're cold put on a sweater"
Putting the fusion device in a sweater is festive but ineffective.
 
can we just not put the device on "The Moon" ?
phone call, brb
 
Ah, someone from Reddit took pictures of that pumpkin
 
that looks more like some kind of electronic device than a pumpkin
 
Right, the pumpkin on the case :P
 
1:08 PM
Ah. I've just remembered I'm installing a Microsoft product.
sigh
 
restarting? What is this, 1998?
 
I'm having the weirdest day. 1 o'clock and just 5 votes on Stack Overflow, but my Meta posts are way past 20 upvotes already.
Even on Meta.SE I had gotten more points than on SO for a chunk of the morning.
 
@MartijnPieters Don't you normally just hit the rep cap from old questions?
 
@MartijnPieters still getting a few upvotes a day from answers I don't even remember posting
 
Very occasionally I'll get an upvote from an old answer, usually my KeyError one.
 
1:19 PM
I've been getting more upvotes but fewer accepts than usual this week. I blame the new users.
Then again, I blame the new users for everything, all the time
 
Well, @AlexThornton you've made 340 answers
 
@AlexThornton yup, which is why today is weird.
It's been a long time since I woke up to 0 votes.
@JonClements Ditto here. 0 today.
 
cbg!
 
cbg @AureliusPhi
 
And back
 
1:21 PM
wb @IntrepidBrit
 
cbg again
And on that note, I've overtaken vaultah in rep. Who is next on my list, hmmm?
 
@Ffisegydd Probably me, depending on how much you get per day. I'm gonna slow right back down when half term ends.
 
I believe it's Mr. Piraeus.
 
Cheers folks
Maybe we should have a "leaderboard" on SOPython
 
We'd need a log scale to take into account Martijn.
 
1:24 PM
What projects are you all working on?
 
I'm currently working on a particle simulator for my school science department.
 
In general, or in Python?
 
I am working on Nidaba, Kesh, and a thesis.
 
I want to work on RABBIT, as soon as I get more spoons
 
@IntrepidBrit Both, I suppose
 
1:29 PM
Currently working on NDT capture & analysis software
 
NDT?
 
non-destructive-testing?
 
Yeps
 
But the last thing I did in Python was unit tests to determine whether remote clients are correctly adhering to a weird communications framework
 
@Ffisegydd True. Maybe we could just put our relevant positions like "1st the worst, 2nd the best, 3rd the one with the cabbagey face.."
 
News just in pycharm 4 will be out by nov. That means 4 of my 9 chapters are obsolete. Yay me.
 
What is cv-pls?
 
'close vote, please'.
 
close-vote please
 
1:33 PM
We have tools to track those.
 
Ah, I don't yet have enough rep to do much yet. XD
 
It's the room's team effort to keep the site clean.
 
I guess I am forever a noob. ;-;
 
@AureliusPhi you can flag.
 
Flagged
 
1:35 PM
my paw writing leaves a lot to be desired
 
That's not Neanderthal art?!
 
DSM
Cabbage, all.
 
cbg(@DSM)
 
@IntrepidBrit I write things down in a hurry sometimes
 
Joking aside, I'm exactly the same
 
1:38 PM
it obviously made sense at the time...
cbg @DSM
 
cbg
 
DSM
Gael Robin? 93.90? It's like a puzzle. "It's not a puzzle. It's a map." #cherrypie
 
@ffisegydd I'll get back on track at this weekend
 
@vaultah now you've got your computer back? :D yeah I've slowed down a bit lately with being so busy at work, I have no doubt you'll overtake me again.
We can both try to overtake Zero together.
 
Also, mobile version now allows easy pinging, so I don't have to type @Ffisegydd :P
 
1:41 PM
@DSM you'd be correct... don't know why 93.90 is significant though
 
Though it's in my dictionary already
 
Yeah a lot of the names here are in my phone dictionary already. So is matplotlib >_<
 
Looks like they added this (finally)
 
Yaaaay
 
bbias
 
1:45 PM
sopython.com/wiki/13 sopython meeting 12th November 3pm UTC.
 
I can't be there.
I'll be at school
 
I miss school. :(
 
I miss summer vacation.
 
D: unfortunately trying to find a time when everyone is available is awkward. The UN should change the law so everyone uses the same time. Sure if you're in Australia you'll go to work at 8am when it's dark and work all day in darkness then sleep during the light, but it'll be much easier overall.
 
Everyone should just use "seconds since the unix epoch" as their day-to-day time measurement system
 
It's called "the hard way" for a reason. ;) — Qantas 94 Heavy 35 secs ago
Awesome
 
what's the close reason for this: stackoverflow.com/questions/26676173/… or is it OK?
 
typo error maybe? But not really.
 
DSM
I really dislike LPTHW. Not enough to downvote all questions about it out of spite, but enough to wish people were taking a different route.
 
It's a poor question. The answer is "Yes, that is a typo."
 
1:51 PM
It doesn't seem like a suitable question, as he doesn't actually present us with a problem.
 
Vtc'd as off-topic
 
It can't be reproduced, so...
 
Problem: there are a hundred mediocre Python tutorials online.
I know, we'll write our own tutorial as the standard to replace all the others.
Problem: there are 101 mediocre Python tutorials online.
 
Learn Python the Hard Way?
interesting
 
DSM
It's not a great question, but I don't see why it can't be reproduced. If you use the Google code, won't you get a NameError?
 
1:53 PM
Not my cup of tea though
 
@AureliusPhi I just learnt by giving myself a task, and figured it out as I went.
 
Yeah
 
"already closed - refresh the page" :(
 
If by "without saving" he means "without writing to an external file", then the answer is "look at the tutorial for 'function arguments'"
 
1:59 PM
Transistor is out for Linux and Mac, and it's 50% off on Steam right now!
 
If he means "without storing any data in the computer anywhere", then the answer is "turn off computer, perform encryption on paper"
 
He's nesting encryption schemes?
 
I think his question is effectively now "is there a shorter way to do b = f(a); c=g(b); d = h(c)?"
In which case the answer is, d = h(g(f(a)))
 
Looks like I managed to lift the curse.. now for a few accepts and I'll not fear Halloween-shenanigans today.
2 accepts would put me at 300.003, a fitting number.
 
a *palindromic number, huehuehue
 
2:25 PM
@MartijnPieters the use of a with statement and enumerate as well as csv was suggested to him in his previous question. He just ignored it.
 
@AlexThornton is this a duplicate question then?
You can lead a horse to water, but we cannot make it drink.
 
@Martijn I don't know... using my solution wouldn't give him that problem. Your call.
 
3:04 PM
@RobertGrant hmm? python is strongly typed language...
 
For certain definitions of "strong", sure.
Probably most definitions, really.
 
strong in that 5 + '5' ==> Error
 
about 98 % of all definitions
at least 98 % the definitons of "strong typing" mentioned in... java docs. :D
 
It's that last 2% that leads me to conclude that's just, like, your opinion, man.
 
Other fellow Brits - friend is considering broadband services for their pub/cafe
And recommendations?
 
3:10 PM
For a business... no clue. I have sky. That's pretty good. Fast.
 
Not TalkTalk.
 
@Kevin Over the line!
 
DSM
TalkTalk is the name for a thing? That's real?
 
Can anyone make sense of this question? stackoverflow.com/questions/26677795/…
 
@Ffisegydd Agreed.
 
3:11 PM
cocks gun. Am I the only one around here that wants a single universal definition for "strong typing"?
 
@DSM Yes, yes it is.
 
@AlexThornthon Clearly he wants to format the string because has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
 
He's probably getting an error from system that leads him to believe that his command isn't being parsed right.
Can't really tell much more with just the information given. I asked for clarification in the comments and voted as unclear
 
same. I really just don't understand what the hell this guy's talking about
 
I read it three times and still have no idea what he's saying
 
3:17 PM
My best guess is, he's getting the error message "'c:\program' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.". This error is usually solved by enclosing the path in quotes, which for some reason isn't working for him.
Also, if it's not obvious, I'm pretty sure by "print" he means "execute text as though you entered it into the command line and pressed enter", hence the system call
 
@MartijnPieters any idea whsat is the greatest number of arguments adapted with multiadapter?
 
stackoverflow.com/q/26678041/3005188 possibly too broad. Also possibly a dupe of Kevin's input question.
 
I'm going with too broad there rather than dupe, although linking to my post may be helpful anyway.
"basic" is just frustratingly vague here. Are exceptions basic?
@Kevin as i know and tested cmd is running the code that i want to print with the syntax but when i use my python prog i got this error in cmd 'C:\Program' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.ukhlof 36 secs ago
Man, I nailed that!
 
@Kevin Judging by OP's apparent coding skill, exceptions are probably witchcraft.
 
I like witchcraft
Did you know a recent poll stated 26% of Americans are afraid of witchcraft?
 
3:27 PM
'merica
 
I'm not too surprised by this.
devil's advocate: you can be afraid of witchcraft even if you don't believe in it. If a witch uses you as a human sacrifice, it's still bad for you regardless of whether the ceremony works.
 
No, I'm not either. ~40% of americans believe that the story of noah's ark literally happened.
 
That one is harder to defend :-D
 
I'm assuming that we're all atheist here.
 
@Alex then you'd be wrong.
 
3:31 PM
Flying Spaghetti Monster all the way
 
uhhhh, "lots of cultures have Great Flood myths, so it's reasonable to think it had some kind of historical precedent. Did you know the Mediterranean Sea used to be all land until the strait of Gibraltar broke open?"
 
I've learned to stay out of religious debates
 
behold his saucy noodliness!
yeah, it's generally a bad idea.
 
I'm militantly agnostic. I refuse to believe in any god that does not personally reveal himself before me, and possibly do some really hard math problems to demonstrate his omnipotence.
 
Dear God, P = NP? Thanks.
 
3:33 PM
I won't actively try to challenge someone. But if they try to start a philosophical argument, I will quite happily obliterate them with logic.
 
If you can't prove Fermat's Last Theorem on a napkin square, you're not all-powerful.
 
Good morning (or as appropriate), chat room. I'm just here to see if something interesting happens when @Martijn hits 300k. ;)
 
DSM
@Alex: why, some of us non-atheists even have astrophysics PhDs. Sooner or later everyone realizes that no matter what your viewpoint is, there is someone who's smarter than you who's familiar with every piece of evidence you could marshal, who thinks EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE from you on everything you care about.
 
*margins of the napkin
 
@DSM I know, I just get annoyed when someone who hasn't even bothered to read or even consider the other side feels threatened when I don't believe in a deity.
I have no doubt your theism is the result of consideration and thought.
 
3:35 PM
I find it interesting when people say they are very adept with certain sciences but still theistic
 
Religion/faith does not have to be based on consideration and thought, it can be but at the same time there is nothing wrong if it's not.
 
most of the time there's a knowledge gap somewhere
 
@AureliusPhi why?
 
Why what?
 
I think we should curtail this discussion, now.
 
3:35 PM
Agreed
 
I suppose @Ffisegydd.
 
No, not suppose.
 
DSM
RO hammer for the win!
 
Anyway, stackoverflow has been pretty rubbish today in the python tag. Barely any good questions, it's a little disappointing.
 
These kind of debates can be fun, but they drown out everything else with their intensity :-)
 
3:36 PM
At the risk of having this go horribly wrong
Perhaps we can try to discuss if we're all mature enough to handle it appropriately?
 
I agree, they can also cause distress people, which is why I would prefer if we avoided it.
 
DSM
@AureliusPhi: there are a million places to discuss such things; there's only one sopython chat room.
 
@AureliusPhi besides, there are more interesting things to talk about
 
@DSM But those million other places tend to have people whose discussion / debate skills / maturity leave something to be desired.
(just IME)
 
Let's move on. Everyone look at this cat, it is clearly up to no good (like all cats ever).
 
3:39 PM
That cat looks especially devious
 
I'm more in a "rabbits with objects on their head" mood today.
 
 
*sigh
 
I can't condone clothes on animals! It's just not right.
Pancakes are fine though.
 
3:40 PM
@kevin where have I seen the above picture before?
 
Random thought I had this morning, but I never understood why more higher-end restaurants didn't employ some kind of genetic algorithm
 
DSM
Problem is that it makes the rabbit look both cute and tasty. I'm not sure how to feel right now.
 
like starting off with something decent obviously (so you aren't like feeding your customers gumdrops with mayo at first) but then iterating from there
 
I respectfully submit:
 
@AlexThornton There's no telling. Pancake bunnies can be found all over the web.
 
3:43 PM
@kevin yes, but I'm sure that I saw that one on a stackoverflow/meta post somewhere...
unless I'm going nuts
 
I can imagine that appearing in a light hearted meta post.
 
@DSM my dad had a pet rabbit when he was growing up. One day he came home from school and my granny had made rabbit stew... (true story).
 
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:-(
 
Things were grim up North in the 50s.
 
3:45 PM
Hmmm, as someone who has like, 30 rep, I should read that.
 
@AureliusPhi Seems quite difficult, considering different people have different preferences, and a single person can change their own preferences at any time.
It's quite the moving target. The optimal meal today may be undesirable tomorrow.
 
@AureliusPhi It's somewhat out of date and largely silly; I only linked it because it's most likely the post Alex is thinking of.
 
@Kevin Well you'd modify the attributes based on the overall distribution of customers -- but you'd probably get a few isolated clusters of preferences (e.g. same outcome Pepsi found when they were looking for "the perfect pepsi").
in other words while different people have different preferences, you can probably find some small number of solutions that will cover a vast majority
 
DSM
I think someone once told me that [cola X] was sweeter than [cola Y] and so it tended to do better in one-off taste tests, but you'd find it much harder to get through a large quantity of [cola X].
 
I suppose that would depend on how different a test environment is from the actual experience of dining / eating a full meal etc
but in a genetic-algorithmic setting they'd be rating the dishes live anyway
 
3:50 PM
Pepsi's the sweeter one. Their sugar content is almost exactly the same, but Coke is also more acidic and has more salt.
 
in ModelAdmin, trying to display button in the admin page...and use the button to call a function in admin site...for some database updates...
 
Pepsi gives me a headache -- Coke doesn't
 
IIRC Pepsi has more caffeine. Don't know if that would affect your headache, probably depends on your relationship with caffeine.
 
Yeah
I tried Mountain Dew yesterday at lunch, against my better judgment, and it completely nuked me for the remainder of the day
 
coffee coffee coffee coffee.
 
3:51 PM
My main concern is filtering out all the noise due to uncontrollable variables. If your customer encounters bad traffic on the way to the restaurant, he might rate his meal lower just because he's in a sour mood.
 
When I used to have to go on experiments I would hammer Mountain Dew and coffee all day.
 
tea tea seltzer icewater anythingbutcoffee
Behold: OPINIONS
 
DSM
I tend to think of Mountain Dew as something that people refer to in fiction and advertisements, not as something anyone actually drinks.
 
@Kevin That's a good point. I wonder how much of an impact that would have, though. It could also cancel out the other direction. "Fuck all this traffic -- what a stressful day -- but damn this is the best burger ever!"
 
DSM
Speaking of coffee, my cup is empty.
 
3:53 PM
@AirThomas You are wrong and your opinion is wrong.
 
@Kevin That's a big problem with restaurant reviews too, e.g. things that make you queasy often have an incubation period that spans several meals or days
 
Yet people blame whatever they ate last - partly because we're wired to make that association in the brain, to protect against eating stuff that might be terrible
 
Some people also downvote restaurants for completely illogical reasons
 
3:54 PM
Mountain Dew is for weenies, drink SUUUUUUUUUUUUUURGE instead.
 
RIP Surge, RIP Ecto Cooler
 
@DSM I definitely have at least one friend with a line of empty Dew bottles on his bookshelf at home.
 
RIP nothing, Surge is available for purchase on Amazon!
 
I signed up for email reminders on the Amazon thing and have yet to receive said reminder
Surge liiiessss.
 
3:56 PM
I feel a little bad having a conversation about soft drinks when @tilaprimera is trying to talk about Python
Which is why I am currently advertising him, to balance things out. Everybody answer tila's problem.
 
Damn it I am trying to answer an Excel question but I need 50 rep to comment
Curses!
Need to know if this dude is familiar with VBA so I can post an answer
 
Post anyway :-)
 
@AureliusPhi No you don't. Offer your VBA solution. It will be helpful to someone.
(Or it won't and you'll be downvoted into oblivion. Tread softly, for your very soul depends on blah blah unicorn points etc.)
 
@Kevin melons.. i just need a nudge..got gapholes in my concepts regarding urls
 
I personally have no Django knowledge, so I'm just here for moral support
Everything is going to be OK.
 
3:59 PM
^ Ditto. I should make an "I should learn Django" cat macro...
 
DSM
You know you're getting older when you leave the beer in the fridge and drink the diet iced tea instead. #aintasgoodasioncewas
 
@Kevin i edited it to urls..
my localhost username = admin and passwd = admin
trying to use the toggle button (analogus as radio button)... such that..on toggle, the particular row's value is ONLY set to true..
rest of the rows are set to false..
 
@AureliusPhi Build up your reputation to 100 or so by suggesting edits.
for each that is approved, you get 2 rep
 
*GOOD edits
 
@AirThomas Of course
 
4:12 PM
Not always easy for a new user to define "good edit" without digging into meta a little first, though
Fortunately (IMO) there's no more "too minor" stumbling block
But still... some things are non-obvious
 
To be honest, a lot of the edits that I suggested when I had not much rep and got accepted I would reject as too minor now.
 
@AlexThornton Going back to my first several suggestions, I'm actually okay with most of them. But there are a few that were rightly rejected and one that was almost rejected that probably should have been.
 
4:28 PM
crappy VBA solution posted
hopefully rep++
 
link us so we can downvote you :P
 
@AureliusPhi remember, it's not all about reputation
 
(I was kidding, of course...)
 
@AlexThornton I don't honestly care about rep -- but I want enough so I can actually use the site (as a noob I can't really do anything)
 
@AureliusPhi True I guess. Getting the privileges is nice.
 
4:31 PM
But since you shared it, some feedback: According to the specs of the question, your assumption that the values to be repeated are in a single row is unreasonable
 
He edited his post to make it that way
(partway in)
 
cbg
 
@dimon222 cbg
 
If that solution doesn't suffice for him, I'll change the code etc
 
@AureliusPhi Well, yes and no. The edit only corrected the formatting; "in 3 rows" was in the original.
 
4:32 PM
@AnttiHaapala That's like asking how long a length of string is.
 
@Martijn what do you think of the subset combination question?
 
Yeah -- had glazed over that
 
But, minor details.
 
I have no idea; I've seen z3c.form widgets with five or six elements.
A dozen?
 
It's not a top-quality question to begin with so you can be forgiven for not being able to give a perfect answer.
(And IMO it smells like an X-Y problem.)
 
4:34 PM
@AirThomas: I hit 300k. Did anything happen?
doesn't feel any different.
 
@MartijnPieters Not that I noticed. But don't they say that when the rapture comes, most of us won't even be able to tell?
Then again, you're still here, so...
 
@AirThomas I agree (almost certainly an X-Y problem)
 
@Martijn *blows party horn*
5
 
Not only 300k, but with a satisfyingly palindromic number
On a calculator, you could flip it upside-down to decode the secret message: EOOOOE!?
 
@AirThomas YES> MASTER> WHAT> IS> YOUR> COMMAND>
 
4:40 PM
@MartijnPieters >eat grue
 
How about a game of thermonuclear war?
 
@Kevin ?
 
WarGames is a 1983 American Cold War science-fiction film written by Lawrence Lasker and Walter F. Parkes and directed by John Badham. The film stars Matthew Broderick, Dabney Coleman, John Wood, and Ally Sheedy. The film follows David Lightman (Broderick), a young hacker who unwittingly accesses WOPR, a United States military supercomputer programmed to predict possible outcomes of nuclear war. Lightman gets WOPR to run a nuclear war simulation, originally believing it to be a computer game. The simulation causes a national nuclear missile scare and nearly starts World War III. The film was a...
 
@Alex WarGames
 
:-)
 
4:42 PM
Oh yeah, I have seen that film, I just didn't catch the reference. :)
@kevin
 
I think it's actually "Global thermonuclear war". Way to botch the reference, self.
 
@AirThomas fortunately, the secret message backdoor is also protected by a passcode.
You didn't provide the passcode, resetting the system. See you at 600k+!
 
@Kevin I think the "how about" line is at the end when the computer suggests chess. Earlier, it's the kid who suggests nuclear war.
 
Damn, I'd love to reach the hundreds of thousands of reputations someday.
 
I remember "Joshua" being a cheat-answer for the old Spear of Destiny pirate copy-protection screen. XD
 
4:46 PM
@MartijnPieters The system is always keeping me down. :(
 
War games is a good movie except the bit where the computer is guessing the launch codes by sending random numbers, and it slowly begins to lock in digits one at a time. What kind of security system is that? "sorry, 15162342 is wrong, but at least you got digit #4 correct"
And I think they may have done the "lights from the monitor display a perfect projection of the screen contents onto the viewer's face" trope, which I hate.
 
Seems like every movie does that
"Got the first digit! Now the second! And the third!"
National Treasure made me foam at the mouth
 
Freaking 2001: A Space Odyssey did the face projection thing, and it's considered one of the most accurate scifi movies ever.
That was just about the only thing I could nitpick while watching the movie. How can I enjoy a film when there's so little to gripe about? :-(
 
As far as I'm aware, Star Gates, sentient AI's, and Monoliths don't have real-life counterparts for accuracy comparisons
 
@Kevin totally feasible if there is an oracle security bug.
(not the company, the greek mythological site of forecasting)
 
4:55 PM
haha.
 
The current SSL 3 hoopla is exactly such a bug.
 
Bug report: password system is insecure, you can easily retrieve the information from a future where you already know it
 
You send it a load of data, and you glean enough info from the response to guess what's in the content one character at a time.
 
Yet another 'I want to do something for which I know the best solution, but I don't want to do that' question.
 
I always thought a cool sci-fi concept would be a quantum brute-forcer where it simply tries all possible combinations at once in parallel dimensions and then returns the result that works
 
4:56 PM
It is not random, but it does work one digit at a time.
 
I would have been mollified by a line like "he's determining characteristics of the password using a timing attack!" or something, but I guess that's not suitable for general audiences.
 
If I guess a random password, there exists some quantum reality in which it is the right password. Checkmate, security experts.
(If quantum fails, try tachyons.)
 
Also a quantum reality where no password is required
@AlexThornton "I would do anything for rep, but I won't do that" -Meat Loaf
 
@Kevin Visualisation wins it any time when film directors are involved.
 
This is true.
 
4:58 PM
Remember the ridiculous filesystem depictions in Jurassic Park?
 
The security camera was a quicktime video
It's a UNIX SYSTEM
 
I do remember :-)
 
@thefourtheye & others who were interested: I published my extension. No screenshots, not much details, but it works and I find it helpful :)
 
IIRC It's a real OS, albeit an impractical one.
Or, not an OS but a windowing system or something. I forget the details.
 
Nothing is worse than the filesystems of Hackers and Lawnmower Man 2
Nothing.
 

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