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user559633
2:45 AM
this song starts out slowly and gets really intense: soundcloud.com/brianbatz/sleep-party-people-the-dwarf
 
4:48 AM
Cabbage guys
 
 
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6:12 AM
Cabbage people
 
 
2 hours later…
8:20 AM
@MartijnPieters nope, that is like asking how long is the longest python identifier that anyone dares to use in code, hardly 4G :P
@MartijnPieters I got answer of 5
so I set 8 here... it is not the matter of "arguments" perse but that how many ppl conceivably would want to do multidispatch with more than 8 arguemnts and actually vary the results on these
 
 
3 hours later…
11:16 AM
cbg
 
11:57 AM
arghggh... puppy has runny nose and sore throat this morning... puppy not happy :(
also a slight cough... sighs
 
12:35 PM
cabbage all
 
Cbg again
 
@vaultah cbg
the room is very quiet today
 
Yeah, it's usually quiet here on weekends (especially on Sundays)
 
seems more quiet than normal though
Maybe everyone went out to a room party last night (that I obviously didn't receive an invite to) and they're nursing hangovers or something...
 
Party's still going on.
Celebrating Martijn's 300K
 
12:47 PM
@Ffisegydd my invite just got "lost in the post", right?
 
No, no. We just didn't invite you. Yeah...post...
 
So... so.... no one loves puppy? :*(
 
The postman certainly doesn't.
 
oh wait... if it was sent by post... those are the things that come through the letter box that I really shouldn't eat, right?
@Ffisegydd anyways... when we going to get a room game of Civ:BE in? :)
oh... apparently have 3 more followers on twitter
 
A bit disappointed by AW's live action trailer :[
 
Advanced Warfare
 
user559633
@JonClements hooray, I'm sick too
 
I really should have guessed that shouldn't I? :)
 
1:20 PM
Yeah :)
 
Call of duty has been the same game for several years.
 
Add a gun here, and a map here, a theme here, and boom- profit.
 
user559633
the last call of duty was terrible.
 
I haven't played FPS' since umm.... UT2004 or something
 
user559633
1:22 PM
they actually regressed in terms of controls and feel
 
COD Ghosts was awful indeed
Unbalanced and laggy
 
just don't have much time for gaming anymore :(
 
user559633
modern warfare 2 was pretty good
 
user559633
oh, i was thinking black ops 2
 
And when I did play heavily, it was more Starcraft/C&C esque games
 
user559633
1:23 PM
which was also a major step back
 
@tristan whee, my favorite COD
 
user559633
What, MW2? That game had solid controls and was well balanced
 
@Jon That's why I want to work at Google. They let employees play videogames and ping pong and stuff, as long as they meet deadlines. It's all choose your own hours and other perks.
 
user559633
@AlexThornton lol. I promise you it's not the utopia you think.
 
@tristan Do you work there? or have you heard things?
 
user559633
1:25 PM
And "choose you own hours" means "you choose your hours beyond the ambitious 50 hour a week amount of work we give you"
 
@tristan yeah, mw2. After 5 years it still looks better than MW3..
 
user559633
No, I don't work there and likely wouldn't. I know a handful of current/ex employees.
 
user559633
@vaultah high five for your good taste.
 
:)
 
user559633
Infinity Ward was a great studio -- I don't know why activision felt the need to rip them off.
 
user559633
1:26 PM
Some sort of hubris of "we can stick any devs on it, it will be fine:"
 
user559633
Even black ops (1) was decent for multiplayer. Not as good, as MW2, but decent enough that I thought Treyarch could maybe make something better the next time. But no.
 
I think that's a similar trend for the big companies, they absorb the smaller ones for their success.
Destroying, in the process, what was a great company.
 
Sledgehammer Games have been developing AW for 3 years, and this time they actually changed almost everything in the engine
And they apparently didn't spend a lot on promotion
 
user559633
I'm waiting for Besthesda to give the fallout engine some attention.
 
user559633
I love the series, and while they removed most of the black humor from the series, it's still enjoyable
 
1:41 PM
Wow... just doing my accounts, and sopython is costing me $1200 a year
 
user559633
How?!
 
What Linode plan are you using?
 
user559633
"Oh, whoops, I had phasers set to 'burn money'"
 
$960 hosting, then about $12/mth for google emails, then domain fees...
 
user559633
Is it really that resource intensive? I'd think a relatively small instance could handle hosting the site.
 
1:43 PM
@tristan not when nidaba is up :)
 
user559633
Is Nidaba up? :P
 
nope - but I'm keeping the current plan for flexibility :)
 
Dude I said to you months ago we should scale back until we needed it... :(
 
$960/year or per month?
 
year
 
1:45 PM
Phew
 
user559633
I offered to write the automation scripts to make it easy to swap instances as well
 
@Ffisegydd doesn't matter... we needed it for the archives and such... not much point scaling down now
 
user559633
alright, rich man
 
"rich"? Hahaha... one day maybe :)
 
user559633
:) i'll try to hire you if my project gets funded
 
1:48 PM
@tristan sure... I'm £1800/day though...
 
user559633
How are you not rich then
 
Who said the puppy is not rich?
 
user559633
He did. Not 2 minutes ago.
 
still paying off private nurses and treatment for when my mum was dying
 
user559633
Oof, I'm really sorry @JonClements
 
1:51 PM
she had some stuff from the NHS, but I didn't think it was enough
and I wanted her to have the best kind of thing, so yeah...
 
user559633
You're a good man and a good son.
 
3 years of private and 24/7 attention is a very, very costly thing
and I wanted her to have the best kind of thing, so yeah...
3 years of private and 24/7 attention is a very, very costly thing
 
user559633
I feel like there's no polite way to bring up a new topic
 
Here it is
 
2:02 PM
That's a) too broad, b) about networking, and c) too shouty.
 
user559633
 
user559633
Jeez Oracle, I don't know. Is there like a chart I can reference to determine which Developer I am?
 
user559633
I mean, they just want this info to sell shit to me
 
Hrmz
Looks like my ISP got their peering mucked up
 
user559633
?_?
 
2:13 PM
routes to the US tend to fail, I'm now connecting over my 3G connection.
 
user559633
As in BGP peering?
 
The traceroute makes it all the way to Stack Overflow
but nothing actually connects.
The route is entirely different when using my Three Network 3G connection.
 
user559633
Not sure that's representative of a messed up peering. The traceroute should fail if that was the case.
 
yeah, not sure what is going on.
$ traceroute stackoverflow.com
traceroute to stackoverflow.com (198.252.206.16), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
 1  172.20.10.1 (172.20.10.1)  10.047 ms  1.907 ms  4.390 ms
 2  * * *
 3  172.23.64.205 (172.23.64.205)  158.835 ms  120.572 ms  168.986 ms
 4  172.23.98.41 (172.23.98.41)  285.641 ms  141.450 ms  122.709 ms
 5  188.31.252.51.threembb.co.uk (188.31.252.51)  197.258 ms *  112.735 ms
 6  188.31.255.97.threembb.co.uk (188.31.255.97)  89.996 ms  58.690 ms  50.169 ms
 7  188.31.255.125.threembb.co.uk (188.31.255.125)  59.883 ms  48.922 ms  49.771 ms
That's the 3G connection
While the Plusnet trace is
$ traceroute stackoverflow.com
traceroute to stackoverflow.com (198.252.206.16), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
 1  gateway (192.168.1.1)  1.730 ms  1.424 ms  1.385 ms
 2  lo0.11.central11.pcl-bng02.plus.net (195.166.130.152)  21.984 ms  22.788 ms  21.496 ms
 3  irb.11.pcl-cr02.plus.net (84.93.249.98)  664.102 ms
    irb.11.pcl-cr01.plus.net (84.93.249.97)  22.270 ms
    irb.11.pcl-cr02.plus.net (84.93.249.98)  23.269 ms
 4  ae1.ptw-cr01.plus.net (195.166.129.0)  41.120 ms *
    ae2.pcl-cr02.plus.net (195.166.129.7)  197.464 ms
So the lightower.net route is screwed, the cogentco.com route works.
 
user559633
nm
 
user559633
2:18 PM
The route is fine -- you received traffic back from the same destination if your traceroute worked.
 
True. Not sure why connections to SO time out then. Someone misconfigured the port 80 firewall connection?
 
user559633
Or MTU or they're filtering or
 
user559633
And also, where it's just ICMP, both routes could be working and it could be a hop far closer to you with the issue.
 
Yeah, so it could be plus.net just as much as he.net that is buggered.
 
I couldn;t connect to chat for a while there
 
user559633
2:21 PM
I'm trying to find you another host on the 69.46.229.x network so we can test this theory.
 
user559633
Or even really anything in 69.46.224.0 - 69.46.239.255 would be helpful
 
3k more rep...
 
I think that traceback can be told to use TCP and port 80 specifically.
 
user559633
yeah, -P TCP -p 80
 
2:26 PM
cbg(all)
@Ffisegydd still no progress on your website?
;)
 
user559633
How do you guys normally go about designing your database schema? Just let it scale from something small?
 
user559633
That's typically my approach, but it always feels slow/pulls down productivity
 
guys does anybody know how to insert a python script into PHP?
 
user559633
elaborate, but not a lot
 
I'm creating a web crawler PHP script and I would Python to return the value of something, but I'm not sure how to incorporate that into the PHP
 
user559633
2:32 PM
Now, imagine that you're asking a question to a stranger. How would he/she know what you are trying to actually do.
 
@Jasch1 This should help you - stackoverflow.com/a/167200/3109769
cbg all !
 
but how dou you dd inputs?
add*
 
cbg again... please tell me that SO went down for a bit? (It did have scheduled maintenance for a bit today I believe?)
 
@Jasch1 Oh in that case use proc_open() - http://us.php.net/manual/en/function.proc-open.php
I am not quite sure how that works ... may be you could ask the php guys ?
 
they aren't active
 
2:44 PM
Yes but they will know better than us how to implement something on php
 
#!/usr/bin/python
import sys
sys.argv
#arg 1 is start
#arg2 is end
#arg 3 is page
start = sys.argv[1]
end = sys.argv[2]
page = sys.argv[3]
return page[start:end]
 
Please add your code to a pastebin, not directly into chat
 
I know they will but they haven't talked in 14 hours
sorry
 
user559633
nm
 
how to i do that?
 
2:45 PM
1 message moved to recycle bin
 
Yeah but how do you expect us to give you help in php?
Ta @Jon, on my phone so can't do much
 
il be back
 
thanks Arnie :)
 
user559633
nm, too bdfl
 
Hah
 
2:48 PM
@tristan you're the mtfl not the bdfl! :)
 
user559633
Yeah, that.
 
we need a errr, cpfl? or something
 
user559633
Sorry, doing ERDs
 
cute puppy for life has a ring to it? :)
 
user559633
Want me to add it?
 
2:50 PM
you can do whatever you want
 
user559633
I imagine you're sitting there with your fingers crossed, so I'm adding it.
 
user559633
Oh. Do I have to make a pull request? This isn't online editable.
 
nope... I'm just getting ready to clear up dog poo
 
How do I remove a 2 person chat room that I created a long time back ?
 
Gus seemed to have gotten hold of a pack of ginger biscuits...
shalln't be fun... but brb
 
2:53 PM
@tristan it is online editable
You should be on the list
 
user559633
I'm logged in, but can't edit the salad lang. I added to the wiki, so that part is fine
 
user559633
So annoyed that apple is trying to push everything through the app store to grab a bit of money from every dev.
 
user559633
 
user559633
this crap
 
3:07 PM
?
one should be able to edit the salad page
 
user559633
If you try to install software that you have written/downloaded from somewhere outside the "App Store", OSX blocks it from opening unless you go into your preferences, click a few things, enter a password, and..edit, oh.
 
oh... when did we introduce "Green Bean"?
 
3:20 PM
tristan you're definitely on the editors list.
 
awwwwww....
 
I have returned with a burrito :D
 
user559633
Where would the edit/add button be @Ffisegydd?
 
user559633
ooh a burrito is a good idea for lunch.
 
user559633
I can't focus today
 
3:23 PM
cbg(all)
 
user559633
mr fancy salad lang 3 here
 
user559633
 
user559633
[no difference when expanded out]
 
Hmm.
@IntrepidBrit can you try to edit a salad post?
 
3:26 PM
Sure, give me a second
 
Just test whether you have the buttons will do
 
user559633
I can add a common question.
 
No ability to edit
 
Hmm ok. Will add it to Trello as a bug
 
Oh Black Eyed Peas
xD
 
3:33 PM
ummm....
 
By the way, I really rate the highlighting function
That's awesome
 
the DC can edit stuff @Ffisegydd
 
Simple, yet effective
 
@Jon yes the DC seem to have access to Salad, but Editors do not.
 
cbg
 
3:34 PM
that's definitely a bug then
 
cabbage @AureliusPhi
 
github.com/sopython/sopython-site/blob/master/sopy/templates/… there's the issue, at least that line. Will see if I can sort out a PR later.
 
How are you finding Beyond Earth?
 
Anyone here game?
 
3:42 PM
@IntrepidBrit good, played a few games so far.
Need to try the alternative victories.
 
I'm up for some Civ:BE
rubbish at it though... clocked up 4 hours according to Steam
mind you... it also said I'd done 3 hours before I even played it
 
user559633
dog years
 
10 for me. That's 2.5 games I think.
 
user559633
3+ hours per game? That's quite the commitment
 
I got killed by aliens very early
 
3:45 PM
@tristan yeah that's about right. And that was on the standard setting, never mind marathon.
 
(@AureliusPhi - I think the answer to that would be yes :) )
 
never crashed out in a game in 30 turns before
 
I'm liking it, but it's got a few issues that make the game almost unplayable for me
(note to self, NDT and hangovers don't mix)
 
@IntrepidBrit you had the menu freeze?
 
user559633
NDT?
 
3:47 PM
@JonClements At start up? Yeah - but I quickly found that alt-tabbing sorts it
 
I've had no issues so far.
 
so when we gonna get a sopython game going then? :)
 
Apart from the Trade Routes being insanely annoying to keep up.
 
Exactly @Ffisegydd
@tristan Non-destructive Testing
 
There's a mod that increases it to 80 turns, but using mods makes it so you can't get achievements.
 
3:49 PM
The best thing (for my Civ) would be to have 3 trade routes per city
 
the 3rd game which didn't die in, I had a nice trade route
 
But ain't nobody got time for that
 
user559633
Oh, interesting.
 
I have 3 trade routes per city, I just grin and bear it.
 
then those f*ing worms
 
3:49 PM
And is it just me, or are wonders basically pointless?
 
I've never been attacked by a worm. I've had to kill a few for a quest.
@IntrepidBrit I found getting the health wonders useful for keeping my health in the green.
 
apparently if you progress the tech tree enough, you can put sonething into orbit and just nuke the worms
 
@Ffisegydd Fair point. They're the only ones that're worth it
@JonClements That's awesome.
 
Things like the free tech one are useful.
 
What difficulty are you guys on? I'm stepping through them all to maximise my achievements :)
 
3:51 PM
I've played standard so far.
 
I've not survived 90 turns as yet
 
@Ffisegydd Is it? Wouldn't you just be better off turning manufacturing into research for the same number of turns?
 
Eh, touche.
Not sure.
 
Land down, and boom, omg, there's a worm next to my city
 
I don't think turning manu into res makes much difference to the res output.
 
3:52 PM
oh dear, I'm dead
 
@JonClements What difficulty are you playing?!
 
@Jon I don't know what you do to those worms, but I've never been attacked by one.
 
user559633
Dogs get worms.
 
user559633
It's usually from eating carrion.
 
@IntrepidBrit middle one?
 
3:53 PM
He must keep trying to ride them, ala Dune?
 
user559633
stares intently
 
That burrito was amazing.
And I'm full. But it was so good, I want another.
 
Am jealous. Nobody can do TexMex worth a damn in Edinburgh
 
cbg all
 
user559633
It was so good that it encouraged me to make egg and bacon nachos
 
3:57 PM
If you ever see a Mission Burrito, go in and have some...
I'd love to travel to Texas/Mexico and try authentic TexMex
 
user559633
mission burrito, as in "mission district of san francisco?"
 
user559633
at least in reference?
 
I'd like to go on missions for burritos. Nobody ever pays me in meat.
 
I believe it's originally a San Francisco company
 
@Ffisegydd you can actually get authentic Tex/Mex in many places across the US. A family or 2 will emigrate from Mexico, start a restaurant, and as it gets more successful more people from the neighborhood/village will come up and work for them. I live near Boston, and there are a number of places around like that.
 
user559633
4:02 PM
yeah, major-city mexican food is typically not bad
 
user559633
very often they'll change recipes for american palettes though
 
@Ffisegydd I got so fat in Texas. It wasn't funny
No regrets though
 
user559633
the authentic texas experience
 
Yeah that's the thing, I know that the mexican food you get here is nice but I'd like to try authentic food.
 
NYC can also make you fat if you're not careful
 
4:03 PM
@AureliusPhi Grand Central Station serves a mean curry
Almost as good as the Edinburgh Mosque's
 
user559633
I feel like it's easy to get fat here (NYC) because we tend to work long hours, which means eating while working
 
user559633
And not really having outdoor hobbies
 
I've visited Edinburgh for conferences but never actually had chance to visit properly.
 
Y'all should make a point of visiting. If nothing else, it's just a beautiful city to meander around
 
Never been, but definitely want to go someday
@tristan I built a home gym specifically due to that problem, haha
 
user559633
4:06 PM
yeah, but you have the room for that out in new jersey :P
 
Easier than finding the room in NYC!
 
I love PureGym. Have loads of gyms all over the city - and they're 24/7. Literally no excuse not to go
 
gonna try and get some snooze before DW...sneezing, sore throat and chest feels heavy
 
@IntrepidBrit Unless people are curling in the squat rack
 
user559633
why are they doing legs anyway
 
user559633
4:07 PM
dont be a trex, arms arms arms
 
rbrb for now
 
curlbro
 
user559633
:)
 
@JonClements Don't die before the finale
 
I'll die at some point... today won't be it though :)
 
4:08 PM
Haha, for a second, I was like: wty is a trex?
(wty - what the yam)
 
user559633
a transexual ex. keep up
 
Your avatar is making me nostalgic for Apogee / Id games
 
user559633
that's because i'm distraction, lord of distractions and lamps
 
Don't lamps come under distraction?
 
user559633
BOW TO ME
 
4:11 PM
@tristan No. But have a star
 
user559633
yes, yes, my minions, share my power with others
 
...Batman, is that you?
Random side note: I never could figure out how to get to that hidden temple in Keen 4
 
Giving myself a manicure because I'm the prettiest sopythonaut
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd is our eccentric mad scientist
 
I am a registered scienceman. I've got the ID badge to prove it.
 
4:16 PM
Let's see it then
 
user559633
i'm a registered..nevermind. i'll come introduce myself when i move into the neighborhood.
 
Just a second, need to take a photo of it.
 
read-only mode
 
user559633
oh no, someone set the debugging level too high on the Martijn AI
 
4:20 PM
yep it's legit
can tell by the pixels
 
user559633
and from having seen a few science badges in my time
 
Did you know that Hello Kitty is a British schoolgirl
True story
 
user559633
That's like a pedophile's recursive dream
 
user559633
Thanks a lot, world.
 
recursive dream? we going inception over here?
 
user559633
4:22 PM
i never saw the movie, describe it to me
 
Via interpretive dance
 
user559633
in 10 words or fewer, because i'm sort of busy distracting a lot of people right now
 
@tristan a pic is worth ...
 
user559633
TOO MANY WORDS, GIVE ME 1/100 OF THAT IMAGE
 
4:24 PM
Dreams inside of dreams, planting ideas deep in the subconscious, eleven
 
user559633
well done sir.
 
it's also one of the few movies where the "big twist" is hugely obvious to most of the audience, who figure it out 20 minutes into the movie
 
on come on... read only mode?
 
user559633
@ChillarAnand is this negatively affecting you?
 
4:28 PM
I pay my SO subscriptions, just like everyone else!
 
i can't even login :(
 
I demand 24/7 service!
 
What about leap seconds?
 
user559633
Well, we are giving SO a lot of really cheap labor
 
user559633
The world's production of shitty, copy-paste code just dropped by like 90%.
 
user559633
4:32 PM
I'm designing my database for a review-website right now and it got me to thinking: when would someone not want auto-increment for a non-natural ID? When they have some distributed system that hands out IDs for inserts?
 
idk I've always found auto-increment to pretty much cover everything
then again I still don't know proper design anyway
 
user559633
Same. I get it when you don't have an "ID" on a table and you do your joins based on some natural key (auto_increment requires a PK on the column for most DB engines AFAIK), but it really seems like way to go for 99% of inserts related to site actions
 
user559633
4:49 PM
heh, just realized that i'm working off a table called "geocities"
 
Ahhh
Good times
Could someone do me a favour? Either upvote/downvote/comment etc on my SO account?
Want to see if @vaultah's chrome extension is working for me
 
@Intrepid, can't as it's in read only mode
 
Still?! Ah buggerations
 
user559633
I wonder if they're upgrading to Windows 10
 
5:55 PM
@IntrepidBrit it only notifies about new questions
:c
 
6:30 PM
Cabbage.
 
cbg
spot the 11 year old puppy :)
 
user559633
6:47 PM
bottom left
 
No fair ... it's impossible to count the legs except for a few.
 
user559633
not going to tell us, are you?
 
I'll tell you if correct :p
 
user559633
2nd row from back, far right
 
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