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4:00 PM
Cabbage.
 
Cbg!
 
cbg!
 
Up to anything, @Poke?
 
@Iplodman The folders? Look at what they did to the folders :'(
 
@Iplodman Why?
 
4:02 PM
Hm. They're alright.
I'm not an OSX user, though.
 
Python Gurus: Please help. I am trying to implement [this answer](http://stackoverflow.com/a/23003221/1533001), but I cannot figure out how to get the python variable `json01` into the html template provided. Any suggestions? I have a page which renders, but where my figure should be, the html just has `var json01 = { <snip JSON code> };
mpld3.draw_figure("fig01", json01);` in my browser
 
@jakebrinkmann You need to have the protocol in the URL for the hyperlink to work ;)
 
@Iplodman :) Thanks! I was wondering why it didnt' work that time xP
 
@Iplodman It’s markdown that breaks in chat for multi-line texts.
 
@poke Hm, let me go test that in the sandbox.
 
4:05 PM
@jakebrinkmann I think the answer was meant to just print out the json afterwards and paste it into the HTML (or alternatively, write it to a file or something).
 
@poke mmm, ok, so I should be searching for different ways to get the mpld3 figure into the html, maybe JSON isn't necessary?
 
@poke Worked for me.
 
@jakebrinkmann Well JSON is a native format in JavaScript, so it’s really the easiest way to transfer structured data.
@Iplodman See the sandbox.
 
Yup. I see my mistake.
 
:)
 
4:22 PM
@poke Ok, thank you for the info, yes, I'm not familiar with js at all, so that is probably the biggest 'hurdle' right now. I'm investigating this repo which seems to be working off the bat with plots, etc. so I bet i will figure it out. Thanks web gurus! You da bomb :)
 
You’re welcome :)
 
4:34 PM
I need 13 more rep…
 
umm... is it acceptable to have a beer if you've worked from 8am the previous day?
 
DSM
Is 66164 a special number to you?
 
@DSM Sorry that was ambiguous… I need 13 more rep on the Git tag… ^^
Ohhh! Thank you, I guess?
 
@poke I scanned briefly... one appears to have forgotten to upvote something someone found useful :)
 
DSM
@poke: git seems to be an unusual tag, in that in a couple of cases I looked at your answer was the most highly upvoted but the accepted answer had only 0-2 votes.
 
4:45 PM
Thanks Jon ;)
Yeah, it really is weird. It’s also full of localized issues but I guess that’s somewhat normal.
 
@poke did a great job of SCM using git on the 2nd incarnation of sopython @DSM
 
Sooo, when does SO update the tag rep count and award badges?
 
they just run at certain times... some badges run at 1am or something, others at other times
 
DSM
What shiny new powers do you get at 1k?
 
Infrequently. It's supposed to be nightly at 0300 UTC, but the query often fails to run.
 
4:48 PM
@DSM I’ll get a gold badge! And that also allows me to insta-close duplicates :)
 
DSM
poke smash!
 
@DSM he gets to close vote with gold badge powers all his own informative answers to Qs :)
 
@JonClements , what would you think of adding a "filter" to SOPython common questions page? Does that already exist?
I'd be willing to do it cause I'm gonna implement the same concept on my site
 
@JonClements True story.
 
@corvid I suggest you put it up on trello...
 
4:50 PM
@corvid Yes, please, do it! Some fuzzy search! :)
 
to me: a site with two screens of content, doesn't really warrant a filter, when I just ctrl-f
 
depends, is the content paginated?
if so, a filter makes it kind of nice just to not look through pages
 
Not yet I think
 
@corvid Might want to speak to @davidism as he had an idea in his head for what was going to happen, if you compare notes might be for best.
 
Earlier this month I lamented that the urls to the answers no longer appear on the common questions page itself; you have to click on the title to see them.
Thus making ctrl-f less likely to hit anything.
 
4:52 PM
@davidism is lead on the site, @Ffisegydd is head on the nidaba project, I'm errr....
 
You’re a dog.
 
@Ffisegydd and @Kevin are head of the room
 
It even says I'm head of it on my CV so I must be.
 
oh wait... I just bang their heads together if they get out of step - that's it
 
After all, no one would lie on their CV.
 
4:53 PM
@poke no sir... I'm a cute puppy!
 
do I have the ability to create tickets on Trello?
 
I got replaced for lots of things, so I’m here for the rabbits.
 
@corvid yeah should be able to.
 
@poke I'm glad you're back - you're here because you're trusted
still not utterly sure why you stayed away and such, but - past is past... future beckons!
 
Should I put that on my CV? xD “Is trusted by sopython”
 
4:56 PM
Actually, I feel really good now... that rabbit only has 3 legs!
we're like soul mates
 
Eh? You just can’t see the fourth
 
hasn't stopped the rumour of my profile pic profilerating into memes!
 
der, I feel stupid but where even is the add ticket button on trello?
 
@corvid at the bottom of a list there should be an "Add a card" button
Incidentally, make sure you're logged in :P
 
We can't tell how many legs it has from this angle. I'll send the picture to the boys at the lab to see if they can rotate it 180 degrees.
 
4:58 PM
You might need to join the board first on the right.
 
nah, don't have that "add a card" button
 
@corvid that's a bit crap, let me upgrade your permissions from "Normal"
 
– Makes me wonder why one isn’t auto-added to all boards when being a member of the org..
 
You're now an Admin (for that board only), refresh the page and see.
I wonder why "Normal" can't add cards? :/
 
oh hey, @davidism, I was about to add a ticket to trello
 
5:00 PM
In Progress on sopython-site
Search by tags, title, and body.
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@Ffisegydd I am “normal” on that board and I can.
 
@poke yeah that's what I assume, that you'd be allowed to.
 
ah nevermind then. Anything I can help out with?
 
anything not assigned to me, the bottom of the to-do list has some good ones
 
@Ffisegydd I don’t think org permissions mean anything.
 
5:03 PM
@corvid you can also have trello.com/c/cRBqdIzn/63-create-transcript-tool as I don't think I'm going to have time to do it.
I don't have nearly as much time for programming anymore D:
 
Is there something equivalent to django's regroup template tag which can be implemented at view level?
 
@Ffisegydd Might be a stupid question, but where’s the repo? xD
 
@poke what's your Github name I'll add you as an admin of the org?
 
@Ffisegydd Make a good guess? :P
 
5:06 PM
Yeah yeah I found you :P
 
Thanks :)
 
@Ffisegydd secretly tell me about poke's id or sth and btw i am following you..
 
which version of python does SOPython use again?
 
The only version of Python in existence: 3.4.
3
 
meh, my last job always used 2.7
 
5:10 PM
Come the revolution history will be re-written such that Python went straight from 0.1 to 3.4.
 
I use 2.7.8..am I a dinosaur ? :D
 
@tilaprimera huh? :o
 
am i extinct?:D
 
I wish using Python 2.7.x made you a dinosaur, that would be amazing.
 
from __past__ import dinosaurs
6
 
5:20 PM
I literally just did this on my own site: trello.com/c/rWup09nn/83-use-slugs-in-urls-instead-of-wiki-13 . I think I'll do that one rq
 
That’s actually the one thing I miss most from my early sopython idea…
 
anyone got a view about the move over by debian / other distros to use systemd over init?
 
I don’t have an opinion, but I always thought init.d scripts were far too complicated, so I welcome any chance to become simpler.
 
i fear about the analogy of svchost of windows with systemd...it is scary ..
...it works again
 
Less than a month to my 1 year SO birthday.
 
5:30 PM
happy birthday in advance!!
what is the edit time?
 
There will be cake*
 
DSM
The cake is not a lie?
 
hehe
 
[*] - Due to The Man forbidding cake-transfer-protocols you must come to Bath for the cake.
 
cbg(folks)
@RobertGrant I'm back -- 'sup?
 
5:33 PM
@Ffisegydd And I thought I felt old when I read that question on UX.SE about why “the fold” is called the way it is…
 
what is a fold?
 
@GamesBrainiac ikr? the whole system feels like a huge unfinished wireframe drawing -- but not in the good way..
 
DSM
@poke: I had exactly the same thought, and wasn't surprised to see that one of the highly-upvoted comments was from someone else with the same reaction..
 
@DSM Reminds me of the save disk…
 
DSM
Heh
I still remember cutting the holes in my 5 1/4s so I could use the reverse side and double my storage..
 
5:37 PM
did not understand your technology behind doubling storage..enlighten me!
 
is that real?
oh god!
creepy
 
ikr?
btw those are real sculptures, and they are not moving
 
what about the eyes? what is the artful meaning of this?
 
I have no idea :)
 
DSM
5:41 PM
@tilaprimera: 5 1/4 floppies had a hole on the side to make them writeable (images). You could manually cut one on the other side and then stick the disk in upside down.
 
was it looking at you when you strolled down the street...:D and you trolled it by taking its video or sth?
 
think I set up sopy wrong. StackExchange says the redirect_uri is wrong
 
@DSM interesting.. i have no floppies left..to try that..besides my pc's floppy disk drive died ages ago
 
@corvid did you follow sopython.com/docs?
 
anyone frustrated with their internet speed?
 
5:47 PM
@corvid you don't need to enable oauth for local dev, you can just log in with user id
 
are floppies in use?
 
yeah just had to upgrade the group, had to remember the command
 
just don't set any of the oauth conf and you'll get prompted with a form instead
 
appear to get the error AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'group' when authenticated
 
flask talk?
 
5:59 PM
indeedydoody!
 
19 .htacess files with re-write rules, symlinks cleared up, fastcgi/uwsgi all centralised across 4 systems - so the file system is reasonable, the dispatch system is reasonable now
 
cbg pup!!
 
short of re-writing the whole bloody thing, best I can do
 
and on a stress test can now take 1500hits/s rather than 19hits/s
never doing that again... such a f*ing mess
cbg @tilaprimera
 
6:05 PM
pheew finally the response....
:D
 
DSM
Aaargh
Just about to post a nice answer to a question, but the OP said "never mind" and deleted his question
Is it possible to downvote a user?
 
nope - far as I've gone in that is a blatant hit and run and get it undeleted
 
DSM
The heck of it is, I'll bet good money my solution is better. But he'll never know, and all I can do is stew. (The problem isn't interesting enough in itself for me to start an undelete campaign.)
 
there was an MSO that really intrigued me the other day though
reduced to my bad book mark findings
 
DSM
?
 
6:20 PM
the one about abusive bounty awarding?
 
Given the evidence of a astro turfing campaign I am searching for evidence that it is already taking place.
In that light:
 
flagged answer as spam too
 
@davidism To be fair, the answer seems to be good… as good as an answer to a “give me a tool”-question can be…
 
-1
A: MIgrating to Oracle

hallieHave you checked the Oracle Migration Workbench? Another one by ispirer

 
@davidism and the post is deleted.
be careful though, that was probably a genuine post, and wasn't spam or OT at the time.
If there had been 6 such flags you'd have hit that user with a 100 point penalty.
 
DSM
6:28 PM
I'm not sure it was really spam, with due respect to Bill the Lizard.
 
The number of people who can't spell inspire is painful.
 
@DSM Bill just deleted, it was David (and others perhaps) that flagged it as spam.
E.g. the 'spam deleted' marker you see was not Bill's doing.
 
that other one's not looking too good either
I know about the penalty, but my threshold for spam includes "link to company website with no explanation"
 
cbg @MartijnPieters
 
DSM
I'm not sure that suffices when someone makes a recommendation request. It's a bad question, and some people really dislike answers to bad questions, and with no explanation it might be a bad answer too, but that feels different from spam to me. And poor hallie -- 6 downvotes out of nowhere on a question four years old is going to feel very strange..
 
6:37 PM
@Martijn your kids might like
but need to start the series from season 2 at least
 
@MartijnPieters I have one question for you. How have you been able to get your rep so high ?
 
@d-coder the simple answer is talent :)
 
the thing you refer to as "Martijn" is merely a front for a global ai
cbg @petebachant
I saw your update but I'm at work right now.
 
the strangest thing is that @Martijn has refused to come back to Cyberdyne Projects as part of the SkyNet project...
 
Please don't get offended as I'm new to SO and all but I couldn't believe some one could actually be so talented.
 
6:46 PM
but... ya know... what can possibly go wrong? :)
 
I have seen the way Martijn answers. So good. Perhaps the best.
Not just him actually but few others here are TRULY TALENTED.
 
@JonClements The more complicated answer is “too much time”
I actually think it has less to do with talent but more with time and dedication to spend this much time on the site willing to help out others.
 
7:16 PM
@poke cross those streams (aka ghost busters) it's a weird experience :)
 
huh?
 
don't cross the streams!?
 
Yes, I get that reference but don’t see how it’s related.
 
well, you've probably already seen it and will experience it later :)
 
huuuuh?
 
7:22 PM
I'm either being remarkably insightful for being up for 35 hours, or just get off the keyboard
I'm going for the later...
 
Cbg all.
 
7:33 PM
Whew... Busy day for me.
 
Who's got the highest-scoring unanswered Python question? @PeterVaro, that's who.
Oops wrong link. Here.
 
@ZeroPiraeus did I win anything?
:)
 
@PeterVaro The ability to tell people "nobody understands my problems", perhaps?
 
that's something ;)
 
7:58 PM
lol, that guy on github is still at it: github.com/mitsuhiko/flask/issues/248#issuecomment-59669436
 
> Don't assume I do/don't know something
^ The mark of "you're wasting your time trying to resolve this"
 
yeah, did you see the thread I linked yesterday? static.davidism.com/github_issue.png
 
DSM
Now that I feel the icy spectre of Death herself reaching out for me, I tend to give up earlier than I used to, offer the other party a cookie, and move on to something more productive..
 
I want to discover something big. Something meaningful. But I think I cannot be more far from doing that than where I am now..
 
user559633
@davidism holy crap, what is that guy on about?
 
user559633
8:05 PM
he wants native field->json mappings?
 
he "just" wants to serialize sqlalchemy objects to json automatically with crud and rest, but also there won't be any security issues and there's nothing very complicated about models </hand-wave>
 
user559633
i started reading his long winded post for a second time to understand his issue and gave up.
 
salad + cute animal == SO Chat compatible guilty pleasure image ;)
 
what happened to that fox?!
 
8:09 PM
he become a carrot and someone just cut him into pieces.. I think..
@ZeroPiraeus btw opinions about the last and the one before DW episodes?
(mummy and flat)
 
DSM
[I haven't seen either yet, so I'll pop out..]
 
I thought Mummy was okay - Frank Skinner (the Engineer) was great, the monster was a bit meh, Clara was given bugger all to do and then had her entire credibility destroyed with that "ah sod it, let's keep going" reversal at the end. Capaldi great as usual.
 
ahh -- so you think capaldi is good :)
fair enough => I have the similar opinion about that episode
 
Flatline was better. Clara is always great when she gets to do something, and this was her most involved-in-the-plot episode for ages.
 
@ZeroPiraeus actually it was the best episode in like a year or something -- finally a "creative" enemy
 
8:17 PM
The miserable old guy I hated, but then he's a dreadful actor who pops up all over UK TV - I groaned when I saw him.
 
sometimes tutoring computer science feels like daycare :|
 
but I still think Clara was not good -- and not because of the girl who plays her (forgot her name)
 
... and of course the TARDIS snail bit was hilarious :-)
 
but because of the plots -- it's like
 
Jenna Coleman
 
8:18 PM
@corvid Tell me the tales! :D
 
they can't write proper woman characters
@ZeroPiraeus it was, yes.
I wish this one was the first and only episode in this season -- and all the others would be just better than this one
 
@Iplodman some guy was playing nintendo DS while I was helping him with a java assignment
 
it would be a fantastic season then
 
The thing is, Moffat can write good women. He wrote one of the best sitcoms about relationships of all time a few years back.
 
which one was that?
 
8:19 PM
@corvid Really? Jeez. How old was he?
 
He just doesn't seem to have bothered with Clara.
 
I didn't say we have to blame him
or he can't do it -- I said, they didn't succeeded with Clara
 
eh, I think a lot of the female characters Moffat wrote were better than most female characters, but still a little boring
 
Wait, pinged wrong person. Three times.
 
@Iplodman ?
 
8:20 PM
(Sorry @PeterVaro)
 
I know this is not a universal view, but I also thought River was a really good character.
 
I liked her character too actually
and Amy Pond too
 
he was 20 years old... it always kinda bothers me when people are in data structures but still don't know how to do methods, classes, or loops
 
Well, I'm a male geek; I can't not like Amy.
She's a wish-fulfilment character.
 
8:21 PM
is she the one with the Scottish accent?
 
so you think she is the sexiest companion of the doctor so far?
 
Yep.
 
hmm.. for me it's Clara (not always but from time to time)
 
@corvid I would hit my students if they ignored me while I was helping them. Seriously. I'd pick up their text book and whack them over the head
 
@PeterVaro Subjective ... it so happens that Martha looks quite similar to an ex I was very fond of, so ...
 
8:22 PM
I mean in the mummy episodes she was beautiful
 
@Ffisegydd eh, after you tutor a long time, start to realize most people come to tutors to finish their assignments, not to learn. You can tell because whenever they come in with an assignment, the due date on it is usually over a week ago
 
@PeterVaro Coupling
 
@corvid Hm, that's an issue. You should just offer to teach them that stuff instead :P
 
Hah. I tutored labs for 3 years though I think it is different here.
As if they don't do well in labs they fail the entire year and have to resit.
 
btw this is what I was talking about:
nice hair, nice dress
 
8:25 PM
Yeah, but she was literally decoration for most of the episode.
 
cannot agree more
but she even had a beauty mark!
A beauty mark or beauty spot is a euphemism for a type of dark facial mole, so named because such birthmarks are sometimes considered an attractive feature. Medically, such "beauty marks" are generally melanocytic nevus, more specifically the compound variant. Moles of this type may also be located elsewhere on the body, and may also be considered beauty marks if located on the face, shoulder, neck or breast. == Fashionable beauty marks == In the twentieth century Marilyn Monroe's beauty mark generated a new vogue. Fashion model Cindy Crawford's prominent mole helped revive the fashion. ...
 
I am also quite enamoured of the Flapper style ... have often thought I was born in the wrong era / social class. I'd have been a great Bertie Wooster :-)
 
@ZeroPiraeus same here, same here
I want to be 20 years old in the '30 or '40
 
Well, being in your twenties in the 1940s could be a risky proposition ...
 
and most likely in america -- I'm not a much fan of the US, but in that time.. if I was there, I coould go to a Miles Davis concert
or listen to Coltrane..
ahh..
hmm.. I'm thinking of start watching HP again..
for the fifth? sixth time now?
 
8:38 PM
Harry Potter?
 
cbg again
 
@ZeroPiraeus that's the one ;)
cbg(@MartijnPieters)
 
cbg @Martijn :-)
I have made it a life goal to never read or watch any of that ... really not my thing.
 
have you even tried it?
 
Nope :-) I find that particular type of fictional Britain really annoying.
 
8:42 PM
but why?
even LOTR?
 
I love LOTR
 
No, that's different (although I tried to read the books and gave up quickly, I really enjoyed the films). It's the private school thing.
 
HP, not as much
 
DSM
I may have told this story, but I was once at a party and was really tired. Someone came over and asked "tough game of Quidditch?" It wasn't long after that I cropped my hair, grew the beard, and changed the glasses. There's not much I can do about the forehead scar, though (no, seriously.) As a protest I've never read any of them myself.
 
8:44 PM
 
I read LOTR (loved the book, hated the movies) and HP as well (loved the books and the movies)
But I hate GoT :P
 
it's from a brewery in new york @tristan
 
Sometimes I can take pulp writing for what it is, and sometimes I can't. I've never managed more than half a dozen pages of Stephen King, for example.
 
lotr and got had good books and shows, but hp movies weren't that good
 
Moorcock, on the other hand ... now that's trash, but I find it immensely enjoyable.
 
8:46 PM
I agree the book itself was way better than the movies -- but I still enjoyed the movies
the only thing I hated about them was Harry Potter himself
Daniel Radcliffe was a terrible child actor
I mean almost everyone else's acting far superior than him in all 7 movies
even the CG characters :)
 
Actually, it's a little surprising that no-one ever tried to film some of the Eternal Champion stories ...
 
what's that?
I've never heard of it..
 
The Eternal Champion is a fictional creation of the author Michael Moorcock and is a recurrent feature in many of his novels. == About the Eternal Champion == The fictional Multiverse, which consists of several universes, many layered dimensions, spheres, and alternative worlds, is the place where the eternal struggle between Law and Chaos, the two main forces of Moorcock's worlds, takes place. In all these dimensions and worlds, these forces constantly war for supremacy. Since the victory of Law or Chaos would cause the Multiverse either to become permanently static or totally formless, the Cosmic...
If you're going to read some (there's a lot), start with Hawkmoon.
 
Another one spamvertising the astroturfer product:
(context for those who have missed it: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/274892/…)
 
DSM
My problem with Moorcock is that I don't think trope subversion is as fertile a soil as he seems to find it. I enjoyed a few of them well enough but after a while I found it more repetitive than the various fantasy sources he imagined himself boldly rebelling against.
 
8:54 PM
back -- I just made a nice pot o' tea
is anyone drinking Dilmah English Breakfast Tea here?
 
Yorkshire Tea is the only tea.
 
I can only recommend it
@ZeroPiraeus check
hmm.. looks nice, also "aroma" and "other ingredients" free
but I think I cannot buy this in hungary
:(
 
@DSM Oh, it's certainly repetitive ... and he sometimes gets far too clever for his own good (Jerry Cornelius is just tedious). It was my fantasy fodder of choice in my youth, though, so I'm prepared to forgive it a lot :-)
Also Jherek Carnelian's stories make me laugh out loud every time I reread them.
 
I like making people feel awkward
 
although Yorkshire Tea is a mix of tea leaves => they have to ship the leaves => not that fresh when packed
 
8:59 PM
@PeterVaro Between @Jon's access to UK supermarkets and @Kevin's LOTC, I imagine something could be arranged ...
 

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