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Cabbage
 
 
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User asks Python 2.7 question / accepts my Python 3.4-only answer
 
 
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6:16 AM
cbg
 
@Jon Briiiiiiiiiiiiiiian!
 
@Ffisegydd STEWIE!!!!!!!!!! Haven't had a chance to look at your CV properly yet mate - sorry
 
No problem pups.
 
6:31 AM
look what that github issue turned into: static.davidism.com/github_issue.png
 
@AnttiHaapala Good morning
@Ffisegydd Good morning
@davidism Good morning
 
@Ffisegydd cv or cv?
 
notice that half the screenshot is just the original post
 
@davidism wow... just wow
 
@davidism been there done that,
even if we had black/whitelists for jsonifiable properties
somehow the _password was not blacklisted properly... :D
 
6:37 AM
that guy's complete lack of self awareness and the multi-paragraph responses made me go, "this must be a joke" and delete most of my posts
 
... though in this case the leaked passwords were multi-round sha512-based crypt with 48-bit salt and 512 bit nonce that was not leaked, so good luck trying to decipher that ;)
 
@Antti CV, not CV.
 
wonder which one is that :D
 
It's CV, obviously
Lol Jon agreed to look at my Curriculum Vitae as soon I will be applying for jobs within the tech industry.
 
@Ffisegydd if I've haven't hung myself porting this bloody spaghetti of PHP beep
 
6:45 AM
so where is your cv?
we too want to peek :D
 
6:59 AM
that looks really nice. mine was just a text file with some markdown formatting :/
and then I haven't updated it in 3 years since getting hired
 
7:10 AM
cbg
@Ffisegydd I would, but work blocks dropbox
 
7:35 AM
Cbg :)
 
user559633
breakfast cabbage everyone
 
cbg MTFL
 
avi
cbg
 
What's filter URL parameter doing here?
 
@vaultah I'm not sure you can reverse it... but you basically limit the items return per object in the result set
(or add non-default items in)
so I'm guessing it's removing all the stuff not needed, and adding in a few non-default user fields...
 
7:47 AM
Also wouldn't it be cool to add cronjob for auto-updating the list?
I could spend a little more time on api.stackexchange.com/docs/…
And play with filter. !9YdnSO-*B is a strange value anyway :|
 
you can use api.stackexchange.com/docs/read-filter to figure out what a filter does
 
oh ffs... this project even has absolute URLs
 
I am trying to use the convention where I have all source files under a directory 'lib'. I thought this setup.py would work but it only makes a package named 'lib' availible, I expected beeing able to import 'karljohan': I used these lines in setup.py:packages = ["karljohan"],
    package_dir = {"karljohan": "lib"},
I installed with: python3 setup.py develop --user
 
the name of the package in setup.py is irrelevant to the import path of the package once installed. Your package is called "lib" so that's what gets installed.
Anyway, there isn't a convention to put everything under lib, not sure where you got that
put the files under the package name you want to import
see github.com/sopython/sopython-site for an example project layout with setup.py
 
8:03 AM
python docs mentions this convention, I think its nice because you directly know where to find the source. But I should have said that I used setuptools, python docs are talking about distutils, but I believe setuptools use some of distutils
 
lib is where c source would go, but the compiled source would still be under a real package name, not lib
 
I need some other directories in this folder so I think it would be nice to have everything under lib/src as package root
@davidism have you seen this? docs.python.org/3.5/distutils/…
 
user559633
Ugh, I hate my brain. I couldn't sleep, so I got out of bed. Now I'm just scanning assembly code like it's a valid use of my time
 
♫ *Wake up its a beautiful morning,*
*Feel the sun shining for your eyes.* ♫
 
Ow ow ow eyes hurt
 
8:12 AM
Truly there has never been a better use for kick-mute.
 
Uhh
I mean, cabbage
 
user559633
is KickMute one of the other AIs in Neuromancer? i don't quite remember it
 
Right - that's fixed the stupid absolute URLs, the missing php5enmod statements, the sym links all over the place and all that jazz...
I've done nothing since fix errors to get different errors since Friday on this... and some of it still doesn't work without strange errors that aren't even remotely caused where it's saying they are
Now something to do with CSRF for a django admin interface that refuses to behave
 
aaaaah django csrf problems are fun
 
It's satisfying fixing stuff though?
 
8:22 AM
For what it is, I'd rather have just re-written the whole f*ing thing from scratch tbh
 
Do it.
 
@Robert although that's tempting - not part of the spec.
anyway... worry about that after brekkie - rbrb for a bit
 
:)
Csrf middleware enabled?
 
8:39 AM
cbg all
 
Everytime I read something new about seaborn I fall in love just that little bit more.
 
user559633
 
user559633
my cat is 9.5kg and puts my legs to sleep roughly every hour by hopping on my lap
 
First rule of cat club - anything you buy for your cat (and your convenience) will be readily ignored
 
user559633
yeah, that's true.
 
user559633
second rule of cat club: you do not talk to cats about cat club (because it's a waste of time and they'll pretend to not hear you)
 
user559633
"hey cat, maybe don't eat that wire. hey cat. cat. cat stop."
 
8:59 AM
"Don't sit above the fireplace and swing your tail near the flames..."
 
user559633
oh man, the fireplace thing is actually pretty cute. i have one in my apartment and i can tell it's getting cold because my cat curled up in front of the (unlit) fireplace yesterday (cats are dumb)
 
Yeah, but the stench of burning hair gets old, fast
Irregardless of the cuteness..
(Is irregardless actually a word? I should stop reading HG Wells, keep picking up old words and phrases)
 
user559633
hah, like i can smell anything over the stench of body by linux
 
@IntrepidBrit no, apparently
Though interesting that Wells would use it
 
user559633
9:05 AM
regardless is a word though
 
Er yes :)
 
unregardless.
 
user559633
deregardless
 
Apparently has caused controversy since the early 20th century, for its pointless prefix
 
Like, sounds like contemporary BrEnglish, to be honest
 
9:06 AM
Of course, now that sort of thing happens so often we don't even notice. Although it's normally appending the word "out" to a verb unnecessarily
 
cbd and sorry to interrupt cat clubbers, I want to know how to contribute to Nidaba github.com/sopython/nidaba if someone can tell me?
 
user559633
haha, i like how when HG Wells obtusely refuses to correct errors, it's controversy, but when i do it, they're like "sir this isn't a bathroom"
 
user559633
@user2290820 have you seen sopython.com/pages/nidaba ?
 
@tristan yes
 
user559633
You can press the up arrow to edit messages
 
9:09 AM
(Here goes my third attempt to get Apache, Ubuntu 14.04 and Phusion passenger to play nicely together)
 
user559633
We discuss Nibada in here, so please feel free to talk about your ideas.
 
@tristan thanks that works :)

i fairly use numpy, pandas in projects
 
@user2290820 hey I am sort-of-head-of-Nidaba.
 
user559633
This room goes off topic when there's not a current programming discussion, but don't hesitate to talk about python/programming/etc.
 
user559633
@user2290820 no problem at all.
 
9:10 AM
Cool! Thanks! pls dont mind. ill quickly skim through the src code to get a feel of it and come back to you guys if you don't mind!
 
cbg
 
@user2290820 the source code is pretty much non-existent for now.
 
And what is there will probably be superseded after we move from MongoDB to something else.
 
user559633
cbg
 
So I wouldn't worry too much about the source code. Have you done much machine learning and such in the past?
 
pip install package gives me a permission denied error in my virtualenv. but if do sudo pip it is installing outside virtualenv
 
I see the focus is on db layer for the architecture. I am currently looking to learn and employ hyperdex.org in my project for typical atomic key value pair operations.
 
@user2290820 we haven't yet decided what database system we'll be using, MongoDB was used originally as it's convenient and easy to use but in likelihood we'll use something different for the project itself.
@ChillarAnand do you have write access for your venv?
 
@Ffisegydd Great to know you are here!
I have some knowledge of data regression and learning bayesian stats.
 
9:13 AM
@Ffisegydd yes
 
@ChillarAnand are you sure because it sounds like you don't, did you create the venv with sudo venv... by any chance?
As that'll mean the venv is "owned" by root
 
hopefully by this year I should be working on real ML projects
 
@Ffisegydd i dont remember. may have used sudo to create venv
 
user559633
@ChillarAnand you'll only get permission errors when installing with pip if the packaging you're installing is trying to go outside of the dir created by virtualenv ran under your user
 
You should be able to check with ls -la I think.
@user2290820 cool well hopefully Soon™ we'll start working on Nidaba properly. We need to decide on what data structure to use first and then design the api.
 
9:17 AM
@tristan i am trying to install mysql-python. it might be trying to access outside files
 
@Ffisegydd is this the data dump?: nidaba / so_data / download_data in src code?
 
@user2290820 that is a bash script that will download the data_dump. Be warned it's 20-30GB.
 
user559633
@ChillarAnand the package name being mysql-python?
 
user559633
also, there will be a debug log in ~/.pip/pip.log
 
@Ffisegydd hm. I see the process is something like get Data Dump --> extract Trends
do some analytics --> Output results like max contributors to a Topic, Best, worst, Badge based trends, Topic based trends, most likey, least likey, suggestion based, recommender system.. is this the line of thought here?
@Ffisegydd No I am not looking to download the dump!
 
9:21 AM
@tristan avacado
 
@Ffisegydd it's generally better to design the API for what it needs to do, then work backwards :)
 
@user2290820 no not really. The idea is to use previous questions to teach a model that can then be used in the future to qualify questions as they're asked in real time.
 
looks like my pip is corrupted
 
user559633
avocado...lettuce?
 
9:22 AM
@JonClements yes, I was thinking that :)
 
@tristan the package name is mysql-python
 
user559633
Ah. I got other errors about mysql config and blah blah. I was going to help debug, but bleh that package is annoying.
 
@Robert well - it's always the way I've worked :)
Then you can have someone work on the front-end, while you work making the API actually do something
 
@Ffisegydd do you mean compare and match for related questions, clubbing redundant questions together ?
 
9:24 AM
Possibly the first but also: "Look at each new question, have questions like this been closed in the past? Should we flag this question for closing?"
 
user559633
i hope to never inject this sort of MBA, neu-corporate bullshit into any of my companies
 
@tristan any alternatives?
 
cbg @Peter :)
 
@JonClements Isn't that what I said?
 
user559633
9:27 AM
@ChillarAnand AFAIK, that's the package people use for mysql, but I don't typically use MySQL, so I'm not much help to you, I'm afraid.
 
@tristan melon
 
So filtering questions is one goal.
If there is a roadmap, I think these are the things I'd be excited to contribute to :
Trends with respect to time, Highlighting questions, Suggesting possible duplicate (Tags/topics, Look for Star Users with max number of questions on same topic, etc), Predicting the likelihood based on quality;
 
user559633
@ChillarAnand :) watermelon. if you create a SO post with the error log and message, i'll take a look and comment though
 
@user2290820 there isn't a roadmap yet but those are definitely things that could be done. The suggestion possible duplicates would be done alongside "is this question low quality?"
 
user559633
Are any of you in touch with someone that is blind/has visual impairments? I want the pages for my current (housing-related) startup to be properly accessible and would appreciate feedback from someone that employs a screenreader/assistive devices.
 
9:31 AM
And for things like "trends with respect to time" I definitely want to do that and be able to show nice data on www.sopython.com, etc. Though that isn't the main point of the project, that's just something nice we can do on the side with the data.
 
@Ffisegydd I am looking at the new api: http://api.stackexchange.com/docs/;
I will come up with some *things* on that line, create a pull request if that's fine with you just so you can see if thats the kind of thing you want, create plots using plot.ly :
Is that fine?
 
We aren't really accepting any pull requests as we've got nothing to PR to :) Plus we'll be storing the data on our server and only using the SE API to get details (then saving it to our server). So if you want to put some stuff in one of your own repos and share it with us then that'll be fantastic, but I don't think you should PR it.
 
I am thinking on the lines of having a "smelly Trends bank" of smelly questions, sort of easy and fast access to existing redundant questions, matching the question being asked, flagging it.
@Ffisegydd Cool. ill start something and share it with you
 
Well you don't just want to compare to bad questions but also to good, so you get good contrast.
How does one get 3 rep?
 
@JonClements cbg(ol' puppy and the rest)
 
9:42 AM
@Ffisegydd Fine. Ill create a new repo and paste the link..where?
I see this https://trello.com/b/0eQHsdhY/project-nidaba
 
@user2290820 Once you've got something share it with us here.
 
Alright. Thanks. il get back
 
I think I understand why people like javascript.
actually I enlightened yesterday night.
 
hissssss
 
even if we all know, it is a horrible language, probably one of the worth I have ever met
 
9:45 AM
Right peeps I need to go do some works. bbl.
 
it still makes you believe you build full-software in no time
 
I'll be pingable if needed.
 
I need a button? sure => two lines. I need a fully functional responsive text-area => no problem => a few lines.
although it is fudging hard to debug, to maintain, to keep it extensible, to write elegant and readable code in it, etc.
but still. you made something in no-time.
 
@Ffisegydd enjoy - rbrb :)
 
and that's what we call: positive-reinforcement.
rbrb(@Ffisegydd); cbg(@IntrepidBrit)
 
9:48 AM
@PeterVaro belated cabbage!
@PeterVaro I can also make a steaming turd in no time...
 
in C, 35 mins ago, by Kamiccolo
@PeterVaro btw, back to an old topic, this watch seams niceish: http://hackaday.com/2014/10/17/introducing-the-fwatch-a-fully-open-electronic-wa‌​tch/#more-135078
hardcore FreeCAD usage ;)
 
Noice
Will have to wait 'til I check out the video
 
the video itself documents the "how it's made" and how amazing it is, that they could build this product using only open-source technologies
(they are referring softwares mostly)
 
user559633
@PeterVaro what i like of javascript is that you can immediately show someone what you are working on, and he/she is likely to "get" it
 
user559633
it's amazing -- at an old job, i reduced build times from ~30 minutes to ~5 minutes and the response I received was "okay." put some pretty javascript and css in front of an old interface? "what wizardry is this?!"
 
9:59 AM
@tristan that's almost the same thing -- just from another direction
that's the greatest trick of js I think
 
The other thing is it's very flexible
 
because some people working extremely hard (on V8 VM for 25 years) to make it work
so at the end you don't have to worry about things, just hack-it-together
@RobertGrant really? compared to python?
 
25 years? Guido needs their time machine :)
 
162
A: What blocks Ruby, Python to get Javascript V8 speed?

Jörg W Mittag What blocks Ruby, Python to get Javascript V8 speed? Nothing. Well, okay: money. (And time, people, resources, but if you have money, you can buy those.) V8 has a team of brilliant, highly-specialized, highly-experienced (and thus highly-paid) engineers working on it, that have decades of ...

> Lars Bak, the lead developer, has been literally working on VMs for 25 years (and all of those VMs have lead up to V8), which is basically his entire (professional) life. Some of the people writing Ruby VMs aren't even 25 years old.
I meant this way.
 
Not compared to Python, and definitely not compared to Lisp, but certainly pretty flexible compared to most languages created in 1995 :)
Well okay, and if he spends one day on a new Python VM he'll have been working on that for 25 years and one day :)
 
10:04 AM
@RobertGrant following that logic, I think yes ;)
 
In which case I'd expect an extremely mature Python VM at the end of that day :)
 
anyway: in 2014 we have far more flexible and dynamic and better and <tons of fancy words here> languages than JS
but still -- and this was my enlightenment -- none of them provides this quick hacking
(which IMHO is a good thing that they don't have)
so that's why people use JS even if they know it is bad
 
Now I think about it, I'm not sure it is less flexible than Python, though it depends on what you mean by flexible, I suppose
 
*quick hacking => fast and stable graphical results
@RobertGrant IMHO there are very few languages out there, which can compete to python with flexibility and consistency
the main logic, that everything is an object, or we can say, everything is a dict pushed the language to a new height
and the extremely beautiful and consistent syntax.
so at the end of the day, you can't find better and faster (as in development time) language than python
 
Javascript everything is a dict?
And an object
 
10:11 AM
but still, it cannot produce a clickable button, a responsive text-area and "working everywhere, from wathes through phones and tablets to computers" app
@RobertGrant nope, in JS there are primitives which are not objects
 
@PeterVaro Common Lisp probably qualifies.
 
@FaheemMitha I use Common Lisp too -- and it is a pretty neat and funny language
but it absolutely not as productive as python -- and definitely don't have such a consistent syntax
:)
 
@PeterVaro what's not an object?
 
(it has an easier one, sure, but look at the function names, the special characters, the primitives, etc.)
 
The Lisp syntax is unbelievably consistent; do you mean the naming conventions for libraries are not consistent?
 
10:15 AM
@RobertGrant undefined, NaN, 12, 78.9
@RobertGrant or T and nil
 
Ah okay, yeah
 
@PeterVaro Actually, the CL syntax is about as consistent as it gets, in my opinion. Whether it is productive is more subjective. What's a "funny" language?
 
I want to act like a newbie . Hi i am new to SO can anyone help me ? How do i add an item to a list ? I know there are many answers on SO but I want to ask here coz I am a newbie and I need to behave like one
 
@PeterVaro What does T or nil have to do with consistency?
 
@PeterVaro Although in practice I'm not sure it works out much differently to Python, as it just coerces to the object equivalent when needed, and (unlike Python, I think) you can add methods to those types
 
10:20 AM
@RobertGrant Are you talking about CL?
 
No, Javascript
 
@FaheemMitha "funny" like the whole car cdr thing makes it special, also the hevay use of tail recursion -- the macros.. it is just funny. don't get me wrong, it is funny in a good way
 
@Swordy By newbie, do you mean moron?
 
In CL I think everything is an object, all the time
 
@RobertGrant Oh, sorry.
 
10:21 AM
@FaheemMitha inconsistent naming conventions
 
@PeterVaro That's not what inconsistent means.
It would be inconsistent if they used T/nil somewhere and didn't use it elsewhere.
 
@FaheemMitha that's one type of naming inconsistency
 
@PeterVaro What is?
 
the other one when you shorten a name in some place and don't do that in the other, however they are in the same "subject"
 
Yeah, Clojure seems to iron out a lot of those historical inconsistencies
 
10:27 AM
@RobertGrant AFAIK in js you can only over-write objects with prototypes.. since int is not an object, it does not provide you a prototype to deal with
 
It wraps to an object as soon as you call a method on it
Number.prototype is there for the meddlin'
 
ahh, I see, fair enough
 
It's just an implementation thing that it's not an object all the time
Even Boolean.prototype :)
Is Python flexible enough to allow you to add methods to built in types? o..O :)
 
@RobertGrant isn't that a CPython implementation detail? (constraint)
 
@PeterVaro yeah, but it's still a reality at the moment :)
As in it was allowed to be made a constraint
 
10:39 AM
umm @RobertGrant if I do this: Number.prototype.x = function () {console.log('hello');}
I can't do this: 12.x() but I can do this: Number(12).x()
am I correct?
 
Good question, now I'm not sure :)
 
because if that is the case -- I can do this in Python as well
import __builtin__
class MyInt(int):
    def x(self):
        print('hello')
__builtin__.int = MyInt
int(12).x()
 
But then you're not extending the int, you're replacing it?
 
and I think this is a more clear approach -- if you will ever need something as stupid as this -- than over-writing the core prototype
 
In Javascript you don't have to overwrite
With that code I think you are
 
10:42 AM
and that makes it more flexible?
 
Er dunno, I was just replying to you; not every line was specific to that point :) But yeah, I guess in Javascript you can overwrite or extend the prototype; in Python you can't extend it. You pick which is more flexible :)
 
Oh screw this... it's just some models and 3 views... I re-writing the django project from scratch
 
you can wrap it basically -- so wrapping vs extending
I don't think this is a matter of "flexibility" any more
as clearly => the result is the same
 
love this version of Gorgon City's song
 
In Javascript you can do this, to make it clearer:
Number.prototype.myfunc = function() {console.log(42)};
a = 5;
a.myfunc() // 42
 
10:46 AM
in my example it will be:
a = int(5)
a.x()
sure, it is a bit longer, I admit that
 
But aren't you replacing the whole class, instead of extending/wrapping it? Or is my lack of Python showing?
 
umm look at my code: I'm actually inheriting from the built-in int
so I have all the properties and methods of int
while actually extending it with a method called x
and I can easily over-write __add__ for example, if I want to
 
cbg
is martijn here?
 
so basically the two are literally the same
 
@MartijnPieters
 
10:48 AM
cbg(@AnttiHaapala)
 
or anyone who knows ZCA intimately
@RobertGrant the builtin classes are not extendable (mostly)
 
@RobertGrant also, because of the inheritance, I can always get access to the super-class if I want to
 
@AnttiHaapala I'm here-ish
@AnttiHaapala what do you want to know?
 
I wish I could say ^ that some day
 
@RobertGrant No, Python doesn't let you add methods to the built-in types, not out of the box.
Because the C-defined types just aren't that flexible.
There is a (very hackish) Python library that lets you do this though.
 
10:54 AM
@MartijnPieters yepp we were talking about these earlier
anyway -- I have to go now, be back later folks
rhubarb(~)
 
It had a funky name, so naturally I cannot recall it now.
 
@MartijnPieters say we do registerAdapter(adapter, ISubFoo, (IBar,)), and then queryAdapter with ISuperFoo, or object implementing ISubBar, etc, with something that implements subinterfaces or superinterfaces of those I* then what is supposed to happen?
 
Umm... so if I proxy pass to the existing django process (which is an apache server behind an nginx server it) works fine
 
user559633
@JonClements what's the broken behavior?
 
if I run it using django's runserver locally, and proxy_pass to the port, I still get CSRF
 
11:01 AM
and also does getUtility seek for subinterfaces or something fancy or is it like "no one knows" :D
and yes, I am writing some serious shit in java (so I should be probably punished).
 
user559633
@JonClements hm. does nginx give the host an alias or is it running on a different interface (public v. localhost)?
 
@tristan that's just what I'm checking
 
@AnttiHaapala I don't remember. I do know sub / super classes in interfaces are supported though.
Just the details of the behaviour I can't recall right now.
 
@PeterVaro so if you're saying that Python isn't less flexible than Javascript, does that mean I've convinced you that Javascript isn't less flexible than Python? :)
 
If the to-be-adapted object is a subclass and there is no more specific adapter available, then certainly an adapter for a superclass is used.
 
11:07 AM
@PeterVaro sorry yes, I didn't spot that you're subclassing int
 
Because you just want to get the ITarget interface, it doesn't matter if the adapted object provides the original super interface or is more specialised; the super interface is present and suffices to be adapted.
 
avi
I need a list, filled with 10k 1s, am I doing right?
my_list = [1] * 10000
 
If you are adapting to an ITarget, then you won't be served an adapter for a superclass of ITarget.
But if there are only subclasses of ITarget available, then those would satisfy too.
 
@avi Don't mean to sound abrasive, but have you tried to use it in the interpreter?
 
hmm and if there are 2 subclasses of ITarget :D who knows ... this gets hairy
 
11:08 AM
So adapting any given object, you want ITarget, then ISubTarget will do too, because you are given all the ITarget functionality.
 
avi
@IntrepidBrit well 'right' as in pythonic
 
@AnttiHaapala Sure, and you'll be given one of them, I think. Which one may be implementation dependent then.
It shouldn't matter though, if both adapters supply the same super interface, the one you asked for in the first place.
 
@IntrepidBrit well you scrubbed me up the wrong way
 
I don't have time right now to go look at the docs and the implementation however to be sure about any of this.
 
ah no need :D
 
11:10 AM
@avi I'd say so :)
 
avi
okay (:
 
@RobertGrant Difference is, you love it that way
 
But I do know that Jim Fulton would have thought of these scenarios in detail already.
 
I have a large list and when i display it , it displays only a portion of it folllowed by a "..." . How do i display the entire list? I'm using ipython notebook..
the list is really large with 7000 elements
 
Umm... even setting the host doesn't appear to work
 
11:27 AM
@IntrepidBrit get out of my browser and into my car
Or cdr - I forget which is which
 
Clock & data recovery?
 
That sounds right
 
12:07 PM
Wurble
 
@Swordy I'm guessing you're in the interactive interpreter window and just doing mylist to inspect your list. Try doing print mylist instead.
I suspect that IDEs have some free reign to display things how they like if you inspect them directly, but what gets printed when you actually do print is more strict.
 
Aye IPython will try to make things pretty when just using mylist as opposed to print(mylist).
 
@Kevin thnx it worked.
user image
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Interestingly, I answered that because I was working in javascript, and FF's interactive window behaves the same way.
myThing shows you a fancy representation with collapsible nested levels etc etc, console.log(myThing) shows you a simple string.
 
@Swordy you just won the Internet.
 
12:19 PM
This demonstrates how familiarity with one language can help you in others.
 
I almost spat my coffee out onto my keyboard. There I was typing away, drinking my coffee, and I glance to the side and I see that.
 
Take note, all users that have ever asked "which language should I study, completely abandoning all others?"
 
damn the typo *facepalm
 
I can't give Kevin any stars. Commander, I've... I've failed you ;_;
 
@Kevin english?
 
@Kevin actually if you pin your own message and then unpin it then the star remains, meaning you can star your own messages.
 
(USA fact: The President is also the Commander-in-chief of the armed forces, hence my addressing him as such above)
 
@Ffisegydd don't give him any ideas about the starconomy... he's already got enough of it... sheesh!
 
@Ffisegydd I don't think anyone would tolerate me doing that for very long :-)
But you are technically correct. The best kind of correct!
 
I've actually placed large wagers that the starconomy will drop in the next quarter, I need Kevin to continue his rampant abuse of his wit otherwise me and my star-fund will go bankrupt.
 
12:28 PM
oh - it's the new bitcoin?
 
If I cash out all my stars now, I can get an eraser or glow-in-the-dark vampire teeth. Only a hundred million more until I can get the Corvette.
 
I can't remember what the technical term for wagering that the economy will go down is, I think it's something to do with "futures"
I just remember hedge-funds wagering that the economy would tank and then it didn't and they lost all their money and I laughed.
 
I worked at a futures place for one of my internships! You can bet on a stock going down by buying a put option.
And you can bet on a stock going up by buying a call option. And no, you can't get infinite money by buying both.
 
@Ffisegydd interesting approach - cos it if it did tank completely, where'd you get your money back from anyway?
 
@Jon I may have exaggerated the "tank" aspect for comedic effect.
 
12:36 PM
@Ffisegydd shorting
Is the general term; @Kevin is saying the specific mechanisms for doing it, I think
 
can .split take multiple arguments like str.split(', ') [comma and space] ?? Actually it matches literally..
 
@Sword use re.split()
 
It can't, use re.split
 
Nope.
 
or pre-translate all delimiters to a single one, then split
 
12:41 PM
haha
 
yeah i know about re.split .. just wanted to know.. @JonClements could you elaborate ?
 
Something like str.replace(",", " ").split(" ")
 
Lol I thought that link said wi-fi SSID sniffer in 12 lines of HTML
 

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