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8:00 AM
Bill Gates' flower fly (Eristalis gatesi) is a flower fly found only in Costa Rican high montane cloud forests and named after Bill Gates. Another fly found in similar habitats was named after Gates' associate Paul Allen, called Paul Allen's flower fly (Eristalis alleni); according to Chris Thompson, the describer of these species, both names were in "recognition of [their] great contributions to the science of Dipterology". References
 
thought they did well with the demon core in 'fat man and little boy' movie.. think that would be the same incident? paul newman as the general and ... maybe john cusack as the scientist who died?
 
lol
classic
 
/waves
 
had to drive up to NYC and back today.. first time i have seen the skyline since pre-2001
 
8:07 AM
:|
 
ah well
 
if you want to hear some really weird... maybe ironic.. for our grade 6 class trip we went to NYC and up to the top of the WTC and one of my classmates was Nidal Hassan
 
hello all
 
hi Sri
 
8:10 AM
hi sri....
@Quinn1000 hi
 
@Quinn1000 hae quinn
How do u do?
@Pramodh hey how do u ?
 
hi Pramodh
 
@SriKumar , feeling good...........
hw r u
how are you
@Quinn1000 , :-)
wats up???
@Quinn1000 , :-)
@Quinn1000 , :-)
 
good good
 
@Pramodh, are you suffering from a stroke?
 
8:13 AM
working on the final class in this overlong 4 class project
 
no why...........
 
the linked list version of a java program to add/subtract two polynomials... why they give us projects that would result in a program we could actually use afterwards?
 
i entered once....... it shown a time out message....... so i gave retry... thats why....dont cosider
 
ah
Quinn, you'll have plenty of time after school to write reusable code, that's not the point ;)
 
why can't prof give us projects we can actually use afterwards? java proggie to add two polynomials... implemented using 4 different ways
hmm.. weird timeout/retry stuff going on?
 
8:17 AM
The server is slowing down quite a bit
 
We're looking.
 
What COULD you write that you'd actually use later?
 
Actually, the servers aren't barely doing anything - I wonder if there is something external to that..
 
I'm getting the timeouts too shrug
The buttered cat paradox is a paradox based on the tongue-in-cheek combination of two adages: * Cats always land on their feet. * Buttered toast always lands buttered side down. The paradox arises when one considers what would happen if one attached a piece of buttered toast (butter side up) to the back of a cat, then dropped the cat from a large height. In 1993, OMNI magazine announced the winner of Competition #54. The paradox, submitted by John Frazee of Kingston, New York, was the grand-prize winner. Thought experiments Some people jokingly maintain that the experiment will produ...
 
produce what? produce what?
 
8:23 AM
Some people jokingly maintain that the experiment will produce an anti-gravity effect. They propose that as the cat falls towards the ground, it will slow down and start to rotate, eventually reaching a steady state of hovering a short distance from the ground while rotating at high speed as both the buttered side of the toast and the cat’s feet attempt to land on the ground.[3]
 
ahhhh...
 
@DanGrossman +1
 
In molecular dynamics (MD) simulations, the flying ice cube effect is a numerical integration artifact in which the energy of high-frequency fundamental modes is drained into low-frequency modes, particularly into zero-frequency motions such as overall translation and rotation of the system. The artifact derives its name from a particularly noticeable manifestation that arises in simulations of particles in vacuum, where the system being simulated acquires high linear momentum and experiences extremely damped internal motions, freezing the system into a single conformation reminiscent of ...
 
well, a java game (reuseful) ... a polynomial long division program (good for calc class)...
 
I do not follow your logic
 
8:25 AM
just saying that this particular program is something that i can do easily w/out a computer
 
which is the entire point
so that you focus on the 4 implementations, and not get confused on the problem domain itself
 
oh ok you win :-)
 
long division is not even taught in elementary schools anymore
soon you will be an oddity for knowing it at all
 
oh, we use it in calc for some problems
like polynomial division
 
8:28 AM
book keeps calling it long division but actually i think of long division as a way to divide numbers...
 
long division is a specific algorithm
 
others, like double division, are being taught more often now
 
Did anybody else notice that MSDN blogs are no longer accessible with Firefox but work with other browers (IE, OmniWeb)?
 
that's true dan.. it was new to me (double division etc) when we i did research for our arbitrary precision program earlier this semester... which was actually kind of useful i guess
 
8:29 AM
they are working fine in Firefox for me
 
I was first introduced to long division (in a school setting) when we started with polynomial long division.
 
But when I try to read The Old New Thing using Firefox I get thrown into a Live login screen (or a blank screen) and after logging in (if not blank) I end up in a generic MSDN discussion page.
Weird.
 
@AndrewJBrehm Working with my firefox intertubes reader
 
not sending me to a login screen
i'd clear out your cookies for *.msdn.com
 
@Frank @Dan That was it MSDN cookies.
Ta.
 
8:32 AM
PayPal often breaks for me in a similar way
after 40 random cookies from half a dozen .paypal.com domains build up, it starts sending me to a login screen every click
what they need all those cookies for, i'll never know
 
@Dan It's to improve the user experience no doubt.
 
probably to stop the evil greedy robots
 
USER_HOMEPAGE%3d3%26USER_TARGETPAGE%3d0%26USER_FILTER_CHOICE%3d7%26BALANCE_MODULE_STATE%3d1%26GIFT_BALANCE_MODULE_STATE%3d1%26LAST_SELECTED_ALIAS_ID%3d0%20s_favsn_paypalglobal_1%3D24339974853675%7C1602362539180%3B%20s_vsn_paypalglobal%3D17291\22732768%7C1603342985250%3B
chat.stackoverflow.com is using my Local Storage?
 
So it would seem
 
66kb of something
 
8:38 AM
hello all
 
hello again
 
looks like some kind of log for commands sent to the server
 
sri
 
no, it is inbound - not outbound
 
or a queue, given its nam
name*
oh
 
8:39 AM
@Quinn1000 hello quinn
 
@DanGrossman yes, we're using localstorage, but your paste there doesn't look like ours
and it shouldn't be 66k
 
No that was from some random PayPal cookie
 
his paste was from paypal, not from SO
 
I don't know how to look inside local storage
which is 66k
 
what browser?
 
8:40 AM
chrome 6
 
chrome 8 here
press CTRL+SHIFT+J
to get up devtools
 
press ctrl-shift-j, click "storage"
 
unfortunately I cleared my cookies since saying that, so now I have a fresh LS using only 13kb so far
 
Had lunch !
back to chat
:P
 
ISO 3103 is a standard published by the International Organization for Standardization (commonly referred to as ISO), specifying a standardized method for brewing tea, possibly sampled by the standardized methods described in ISO 1839. It was originally laid down in 1980 as BS 6008:1980. It was produced by ISO Technical Committee 34 (Food products), Sub-Committee 8 (Tea). The abstract states the following: The method consists in extracting of soluble substances in dried tea leaf, containing in a porcelain or earthenware pot, by means of freshly boiling water, pouring of the liquor into a w...
 
8:46 AM
@Richa I have heard only back to work but its new back to chat
 
@srikumar b'cz its me :P special ..u knw ;)
 
@Richa , :-)
 
@Richa but i am thinking about your company :D
 
@SriKumar , funny..........
 
@Pramodh :) have you done your documentation?
 
8:48 AM
has the new Fallout come out yet?
 
hhaaa........... completed....... mmm...... last day itself...........
 
@Pramodh obiously
 
The 2006 Mumbai "sweet" seawater incident was a phenomenon during which residents of Mumbai claimed that the water at Mahim Creek, one of the most polluted creeks in India that receives thousands of tonnes of raw sewage and industrial waste every day, had suddenly turned "sweet". Within hours, residents of Gujarat claimed that seawater at Teethal beach had turned sweet as well. Reactions In the aftermath of the incidents, local authorities feared the possibility of a severe outbreak of water-borne diseases, such as gastroenteritis. The Maharashtra Pollution Control Board had warned people...
 
@SriKumar , :-
 
@srikumar... its doing good :P Actually I have my task before deadline .. just waiting to my mates to match with my speed :)
@Dan .. India's mumbai ... :) it creat intrst now
:P
 
8:51 AM
@Richa Great! but see to that you don't get caught by unknown technical mistery
 
@sri .. I hope not ... my work is tested as well
 
@Richa , great..... good.....
 
@Pramodh thanks :)
 
@Richa Great
 
thats why m free to do anythng :P
@sri thanks :)
 
8:53 AM
congrats Richa
 
@Richa Do you really code? I mean only if you code you can test your code :D
 
@Quinn1000 thanks !!
@sri .. but still company have want to tested it by tester b'cz they pay them :P
 
@Richa So i think your tester would also spend their time in SO chat?
 
Richa i am still in school.. so i am always curious about the way things are done IRL. Did you start out as a tester?
 
cool chat
 
8:57 AM
@sri hahaha :P no she is on leave :P
 
never noticed this xits
 
@Quinn1000 Nope I am developer
 
@kugel welcome :)
 
@Richa , cool!!!!!!!!
 
so what is this good fr?
 
8:57 AM
@Richa So you will be always in SO chat and she will be always on leave ? :D
 
@Pramodh :o :P :Q
 
 
well it's interesting to me that they tend to teach us about 'the way things are done' but then they also say 'you never know how any given company will actually do things'...
 
@kugel for time pass :P
 
cool, supports images
 
8:58 AM
like they say 'you will start out as a tester, then move to coding...' etc
 
I started as a developer
 
@Richa, i've already learnt these three.......... please teach me the next chapter
 
though I haven't gone through any formal education
 
I have never heard of anyone starting as a tester and then moving on to developer
 
Me neither
 
8:59 AM
but I know a few who went the other way
 
@sri .. not alwyz actually she have to test others projects too and I have to wait for my mates to accomplish their task so can we move further
 
awful, I can't imagine being a tester, damn boring
 
sounds like
 
@Richa cool When do you start your nxt sprint or nxt development?
 
In computer networking, IP over Avian Carriers (IPoAC) is a humorously-intended proposal to carry Internet Protocol (IP) traffic by birds such as homing pigeons. IP over Avian Carriers was initially described in RFC 1149, a "Request for Comments" (RFC) issued by the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) written by D. Waitzman and released on 1 April 1990 (April Fools' Day). It is one of several April Fools' Day RFCs. Waitzman described an improvement of his protocol in RFC 2549, IP over Avian Carriers with Quality of Service (1 April 1999). IPoAC has been successfully implemented, but ...
 
9:00 AM
@sri .. No idea ! lets see
probably nxt week
 
How was the development done in the companies that do not use Agile?
@Richa Cool! So you will be here till this week end?
 
hi
 
@sri: slow and painful
 
waterfall?
 
spiral....
 
9:02 AM
Is their any specific chat room for google maps
 
@sri I hope :P
 
there is an android chat, though
 
@mahesh nah u can creat it
 
we do cowboy coding :-)
 
@Richa +1
 
9:02 AM
no methodology
 
@Richa ok
 
:-D
 
@Kugel When do you finish your task then?
No dead line nothing?
 
I've never worked somewhere with a prescribed methodology
 
hmm.. Tariq Aziz has been sentenced to death in Iraq.. somehow i imagined that we would have brought him to the US and given him a reality TV show
 
9:03 AM
even at Microsoft, there was none of that type of planning in my group
 
@Pramodh +1 for???
 
@Richa ,"@mahesh nah u can creat it" for this
 
No true deadine, I usually say, first version may be available in two months and as the time goes I narrow the estimates
 
@DanGrossman one of my client's name is Dan
:)
 
my current project we have agile methodology
 
9:04 AM
maybe you are working for me
 
@srikumar you gone man ! if DAn is ur client :P
 
explain me, what you do exactly whe you say agile?
 
@DanGrossman I don't think so as i don't find him on my chat list
 
sry misread post
 
@Richa How do you do the project management?
@Quinn1000 No issues
 
9:06 AM
 
@sri talking about methodology ?
 
@Richa yes
 
@sri agile :)
 
@Richa OK
 
ok.. afc while i step through this
 
9:10 AM
@Richa so
 
what?
 
say.. how much of a given program do you guys usually end up writing? is it like you write one class, or a whole app?
or what?
 
@Richa typo erro
 
@Quinn1000 we have to write whole application
that you use as software
or sites you see
 
what language, if you don't mind me asking?
 
9:14 AM
C#/Python/Bash where I work
 
@Quinn1000 I write mostly C# and some Ruby
 
ah i like C#
 
And I usually write a bit more than one class:)
 
@I works in PHP
 
it's like C++ used to be
 
9:15 AM
??
 
well i started out as a CS major a long time ago, and then went back into the army, and then came back out.. and C++ (the visual version) had changed a bit
 
@Quinn1000 its good in school evn you are curious abt it
:)
 
visual??
 
visual C++
 
9:17 AM
Isn't that some kind of icky IDE?
 
ha.. yeah
 
you can write C++ without it
 
the language didn't change but the IDE sure added a lot
(much)
 
IDEs that involve dragging and dropping scare me
 
oh please, like they would ever let us drag and drop anything
though i hear you can do that
 
9:19 AM
I use Visual Studio every day, but haven't dragged or dropped in a few years
 
sometimes I wonder who actually uses the drag and drop features of VS
 
In winforms I guess drag and drop has it's place
 
I can't imagine it being used for anything but rudimentary utility applications
 
yeah i was going to say that C#/winforms is great and quick
 
then again, I rarely do winforms
 
9:20 AM
i wrote a file conversion program for my GF in like 10 minutes that would have taken a lot longer without drag/drop visual studio geewizardry
 
but that counts as a udimentary utility application
+r somewhere in there
 
very
 
sure, but you could do the same in Java with Swing in a few lines of code
 
ah, but with C# you don't have any file access headaches (in our particular case)
 
I shouldn't talk, I don't do any GUI software really
 
9:22 AM
try { file = new BufferedStream(new FileStream(new StreamOfBlood(new SatanicRitual(new BlackGoat("Lucifer's billygoat"))))) } catch (Throwable e) {System.bugger.all()}
3
 
most I ever had to work on was some forms for an Outlook addon
lol
 
Hi all. I have a quick request for some code guru...
 
What is it?
 
@KyleSevenoaks you have to be quick
:P
 
raaaAAaaawrrr
 
9:29 AM
@ArnisL slightly disturbing
 
@HeiniHøgnason true
 
say you expert programmers, is there a word to describe throwing an exception at a point in your code that you had zero expectation of throwing an error at?
 
an exceptional condition ;)
 
yeah, that's good... but something with more 'oomph'
like a cross between 'huh?' and 'son of a bitch!!!'
wtf of a bitch, maybe
 
I don't really get what you're saying
why didn't you expect to throw an exception?
 
9:39 AM
@Quinn1000 Be sure to show an error message like "THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE", so one day you can see a screenshot of it on thedailywtf.com
 
because i instantiated four instances of the same class, with the same default contructors, and the first two go fine and the third one throws.. then i try again and the first one goes and the second throws.. then i try again and the first three go and the fourth one throws...
 
that sounds like a funny class
 
Well on the website I've been working on for the past year, it uses a pre built shopping cart solution. But there are js errors and conflicts in some places, and I'm not the best at coding or finding out where these errors could originate, so I was wondering if someone has a few minutes might be able to point me in the right direction.
 
this might be an Eclipse thing.. it's been 'funny' lately
 
what does the class do?
 
9:42 AM
whats the software Kyle? i used to do that before i went back to school
 
@Quinn1000 It's a PHP/Smarty solution called Livecart.
 
Heidi it just inits a linked list
let me try something
what kind of access do you have to the site Kyle?
ok, just needed a cleaning
 
@Quinn1000 Full access, I am the developer.. But haven't seen this kind of complex PHP for a looong time,. the link is headset.no
 
where do you see js errors?
and in what browser?
 
When I fire up firenug in FF.
Sorry for the lack of info, stetched over doing like ten things right now :D
 
9:51 AM
there we go, theres an error in some of the JS
 
Yeah..
 
Antall is norwegian for quantity?
 
Yup :)
 
the search suggestion function looks funny
 
@KyleSevenoaks, unrelated, but please don't change the width of the tabs when I rollover, it hurts my eyes :)
 
9:53 AM
Yeah, not my design, the bosses like it that way.
 
wow what's the tax? 894 subtotal and 1242 total?
 
@Benjol Not my choice either.
@Quinn1000 25% tax in Norway :)
 
oh right
 
it looks like someone tried to use jQuery but didn't really know how
 
where can i find the error?
 
@HeiniHøgnason Where specifically?
 
there.. so good so far
 
search suggestion init
 
is it when it goes to secure mode?
 
No, just in general.
 
9:55 AM
although for the life of me I can't find a search box
 
huh.. im all the way to checkout
no errors
 
same :o no error
where you figure it out?
 
Hm.. Well that's odd.
 
the order page errors on me every time
 
I keep getting just 2 or 3 errors in some jQuery soemwhere.
 
9:56 AM
though I only tried it in chrome 8
 
browser-specific problem would not be unheard of
 
FF is what I test in.
 
mine is FF
 
As far as my experience goes, FF is the most standards compliant.
 
oh well there you go
i'm not sure there is such a thing
 
9:57 AM
IE9 errors on the order page as well
 
@HeiniHøgnason Which part specifically?
 
headset.no/order ... are you sure this is the same link?
 
searchSuggestionInit
 
@HeiniHøgnason Thankyou, that's a part of the product and not something I made, so that's going into the error report :)
 
back form lunch.. anything new going on?
 
9:58 AM
@Richa correct link, you need to add things into the shopping basket first (Handlevogn)
 
I didn't add anything and it still threw and error
 
i just ran it through in FF 3.6.10 Win Server 2008 R2 np
 
The main think is language :(
 

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