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10:00 AM
still trying
 
@HeiniHøgnason Yeah, it's a separate function from the adding and removing to the cart.
Relies on the database and searches for things in there, but like I said, I never made it, but now I know that's what's throwing the error, I can work on fixing it.
Why do you think it's throwing the error, by the way?
 
where else did you get errors?
whoa, 3 errors on a product page
two syntax errors in TARGET-DECT.590 and the same searchSuggestionInit error
 
and IE 8.. no problems
 
line 670 and 714 in target-dect
 
two product added but no error
 
10:02 AM
$j(".tdtick").tooltip({ position: 'bottom center', effect: 'slide', offset, [30, 0] });
something odd going on with offset and the array there
 
@HeiniHøgnason Yes, that's the place, product pages.
 
that comma is probably supposed to be a colon
 
i can not get rid of C# LINQ'
 
@Pramodh why would you want to get rid of that?
 
That's from the Flowplayer Tooltips jQuery, it's meant to be a comma.
 
10:03 AM
say.. not that's it's your decision to make but from someone who ran an online store for like 6 years i have to say that you will be losing a lot of sales by forcing a log in on checkout
just FWIS
 
@HeiniHøgnason , i can not think of anything new......
 
Grats @NickCraver for 100k
 
@KyleSevenoaks well, it's invalid javascript
 
@HeiniHøgnason , if i plan to do any thing......... at last i'll reach at LINQ... even if i wanna fill a List View
 
@HeiniHøgnason Well that's not good at all. Thanks for your help :)
 
10:06 AM
on line 670 it looks like someone typed }); once too much
@Pramodh you don't like LINQ?
 
@HeiniHøgnason which function?
 
@HeiniHøgnason , i like ........... i like it very much............. but the problem is..... its getting too difficult for small requirements
 
@KyleSevenoaks it's an inline script block on the product page
$("#buysubmit").click(function () {
var i = 1 - $("#buysubmit").index(this);
$(this).effect("transfer", { to: $(".handelv").eq(0) }, 1000);
});
});​
 
@HeiniHøgnason , is there any new features in C# like linq
 
@HeiniHøgnason Oh. That was meant to have been removed months ago!
 
10:09 AM
??
 
see it's code like that what got me out of web programming
that just hurts your eyes
 
@Pramodh how so?
 
@Quinn1000 Yeah, it's annoying when more than one person works on things and reintriduces code that isn't meant to f#¤%ing well be there!
 
@HeiniHøgnason , dono how to xpalin!!!!
 
well at least you have a smart person like Heine to spot it! Now you can fix it?
 
10:13 AM
@Quinn1000 Yes, I love SO :) And I shall go in and fix, thanks very much Heini :)
 
wow, headsets are actually like 2000kr in Norway? or are those just really nice ones?
@KyleSevenoaks no problem, I'm glad to have helped
 
@HeiniHøgnason They're the really nice ones :)
Top of the line, touch screen and sound dampening mics and stuff.
 
i was fortunate to be the only person working on my client's store.. though we did have the host stop our server at xmas for CPU overage... even though we had had them put in a DANGER: do not stop this server at xmas time because we get mad sales and if you stop the server YOU THE VPS HOST DO NOT KNOW HOW TO RESTART IT
we lost like $12000 in sale while they unf**ked themselves one year
 
wow
what host were you using?
 
@Quinn1000 I'm actually thinking of firing the other guy and hiring someone else...
 
10:15 AM
Verio, who used to rock
 
Damn.. I'll stay clear of them :)
 
but when they talked us from switching from unix to windows.. it wasn't the OS that was an issue but the support team
the Verio Unix team was awesome.. i sent them $1000 worth of snacks one year.. but the Windows Server team.. not so much
 
@Quinn1000 Well I wouldn't trust anything to do with Windows yet. And good job on the snacks!
 
well, it might have to do with job satisfaction... sitting in bash all day sure is nice
 
i used to love calling them.. no matter who i talked to was like 'oh, i wrote a great script that should do that!' and also they absolutley LOVED to solve problems
true Heine
anyway, from an OS point of view i've been using a Win Server 2008 OS for school on this computer my GF and i built and it is really really good
so i think it is a matter of their support team, not so much the OS
my 2 cents
enough coffee, i think
 
10:20 AM
oh yes, I run windows on my work computer too
mostly because I can't do without VS
 
i am planning for digi cam which would be good
 
MASM in VS 4TW!!!!
my absolute favorite programming language/IDE combo!!!!
ok.. calming down
 
C# with VS+R# is what I use
 
Quinn's Counting Sort: shellnotes.com/quinn/default.aspx
i thought of this in class one day and wrote it for extra credit
 
quite annoying when you get used to it, because sitting down with another IDE just has you frantically pressing various keyboard shortcuts that don't work
 
10:24 AM
then i looked it up because i figured it had already been thought and it is called a counting sort
but still.. it's so cool what you can do in assembly because it's like there aren't any rules
 
it's cool to hack around with
 
yeah :)
 
but I don't think it would make the best production code
 
well tg i am in a VA CS program... it's a lot of theoretical stuff and i guess why they are making me take every math course in the catalog haha
 
When this office hour get finish :(
yawwwnn
 
10:28 AM
ok.. so let me go talk to my buddy java.lang.NullPointerException for a minute
btw why is 'Show line numbers' not automatic in pretty much every IDE?
 
to confuse the new developers :)
 
well, I don't really use line numbers that much when I'm in VS
 
or to not confuse them ... I'm not sure
 
I just use the go to X functionality
 
@OctavianDamiean what does it mean?
 
10:31 AM
although I don't really know whether that's R# or VS at work
 
i think it is.. it must be a fact that MS does not encourage assembly language developers.
btw i am taking assembly language and a CS theory course that is taught in Java which is why i keep talking about two diff languages
 
assembly in Java? uh?
 
no, that wasn't a logical AND.. i am taking an assembly language course and also i am taking a theory course which uses java
 
oh kk :)
 
just saying that i like assembly better
 
10:35 AM
well they both serve different purposes :D
 
you should give a .NET language a try
 
:-( i had to get special permission (because i got an A in CS 201 and Calc I) to take assembly because they are discontinuing teaching assembly after this semester!!!!! boooo!
normally it is prerequed by the 202 course (Java) i am also taking
 
@Heini Høgnason whats so special about .net?
 
I just like it
although to be honest, I'd rather be doing F# than C#
 
10:38 AM
just saying.. haven't they looked at programming job listings lately? between console tools programming, PC/MAC game programming, embedded systems programming.. there seem to be a lot of need for assembly programmers honestly
 
oh god how I love the syncing feature of Chromium :D
 
I don't think games are programmed in assembly anymore
 
How do google earn?
 
I do not see any ads like yahoo
 
10:40 AM
google run the adsense program
 
do you adblock them?
 
games aren't programmed in assembly.. but the tools to write games are programmed in C++ (a lot) and then the actual way to get the games done on individual platforms relies a lot on assembly
FWIU
 
its like ad server?
Where you can host your ads? and you need to pay for each click?
 
well, eventually all code compiles to machine language, but I don't think games being programmed in C++ creates demand for assembly programmers
 
@Quinn1000 - that's an over-generalization, and a bit outdated, it depends what the game runs on, for example things like the Unreal engine are commonly used to build games for multiple platforms, no assembly
 
10:43 AM
I think embedded systems are where assembly is most relevant today
 
@SriKumar - go to the source for all your questions on this one: google.com/adsense/support/bin/topic.py?hl=en&topic=13488
 
@NickCraver tks
 
Nick it's just that i have a prof who just came out to teach.. and he is pointing out that all the old assembly programmers are leavng and the schools seem to be having a gap in bringing up new ones
and someone has to get the code down to the processor
and besides.. i have a thing about 'seeing' what my code is doing :-)
 
True, but that's usually an OS level task these days, even on the more advanced gaming platforms, not to say there's no assembly involved, but you're rarely if ever writing it directly
 
10:50 AM
i do love to watch the registers
and see into the memory
 
you can do most of the stuff that you do in assembly in C
even when writing an OS kernel, a very small subset of it is in assembly
the rest is in a higher level language
 
yeah its the difference between most and all i really get into i guess
even if it means it's very platform specific
 
fine-grained control over registers isn't something that the majority of code has any use for
 
like that example i linked to, where i could write a sorting method that was O(n) compared to O(n log n).. that's a big difference
in other words, what i thought of to do.. i could program to do
 
you can write counting sort in most languages
 
10:56 AM
java?
 
really?
 
really
 
cool send me a link... but i still like to SEE the inside of a particular computer
 
10:58 AM
hopefully i'll go far enough along that i can do microcode for intel or AMD.. guess i'd rather work on a small part of the problem thatn the whole solution
You have attempted to access code for an article that does not exist. Create this article first. If the article used to exist, it may have been deleted.
 
add a ) at the end of the link
 
k.. but the point is that is that i like scrolling through the memory and watching the CPU's registers even if you could accomplish the same task at a higher level :-)
hey that's some good Java
 
it's definitely fun, but I don't think[citation needed] that there is a big demand for assembly programmers
 
as long as there is room for me :-)
 
good luck with that :)
 
11:02 AM
well i'll do the C++ thing too
btw my sort runs MUCH faster :-)
 
Off topic but traumatic for my busy day: my band just called and the singer left! What's next?!
 
Assembly, we are "Standing on the shoulders of giants"
 
Don Knuth?
 
so that we can see higher
 
oh, was thinking about a new singer.. maybe i was thinking of Don Henley
 
11:05 AM
@Quinn1000 Haha he might have a heart attack if he heard what we make :P
 
sample link?
 
But even so.
I just dread the next time the bosses make a visit to my office.
 
intimidate them and they will pay obesiance(sp)
 
They've got me making something very very simle, but I know them, they'll come in when I'm halfway through and say "It's broken!"
 
jot down some quick equations that show them that their initial request was flawed and you performed brilliantly to provide an optimal solution
 
11:09 AM
Hahaa :D
Yeah, or they could let me finish.
I work in stages, first I insert the HTML, then the CSS.
They always come through after Iæ've done the HTML and are like "It's not blue, where are the graphics?"
Or if I'm halfway through the CSS "It's not aligned properly!!!"
Happening right now it seems, here they come! :D
 
why not do a hi-fi prototype?
 
no, they won't. why do you think i am back in school? i've seen that what they expect to blame on you has a direct relationship related to the level of their education compared to your accomplishments.. the more you accomplish the less they can blame on you.
 
It's too simple to bother.
@Quinn1000 True.
 
you would be surpised!
in the long run, you will probably save time
 
It's an anchored span that contains a graphic.
 
11:12 AM
:p hahaha
 
take that from an M1A1 Tank Gunner who had a job that involved RL
 
I see
 
Takes literally ten minutes, yet they come in after 5 and say "It's broken!" And I'm like... "Uhhm... I havne't finished!"
Haha
 
just get them focused on real people
and real results
'hey! let's make this work!'
 
Yeah, not a bad idea :)
 
11:14 AM
'we're on the same team!'
that kind of thing
 
A better response than: "I'm not done."
Makes me seem slow.
Even though a total of 5 minutes to make a graphic, setup HTML and CSS is faar too much time :D Haha
 
0o never say that... they have to understand that you are smarter than they are without you telling them that you are smarter than they are
 
just remember that even though they know that you are smarter than they are that they hate to admit that you are smarter than they are
 
just give 'em some technical description, they will soon run...
and if they stay you have a new friend..
 
11:16 AM
They're alse the "hands on" type.
 
a fresh mind to corrupt .... :)
 
Oh I have many new friends :) The love to sit and watch me work.
 
well, let them.. show them something that the people they report to don't know
show them why your job is so hard
 
I do, constantly.
 
get them on your side
 
11:17 AM
It's so fun! :D
One guy is, has been for a long time.
 
I have a app, that justs crunches passwords, i ran it when the big cheese passes by..
 
That's a great idea! I should make some kind of important looking number thing.
 
heck you can have mine, funny thing its actual does work!
I wrote it to test MD5 passwords..
 
Great!
Thanks :)
 
don;t forget "alt-tab"
 
11:20 AM
i was earning extra $ over a summer setting up this guy's internet cafe... and he was like 'i don't think there is so much of a threat as everyone says... hackers etc' so i installed SciLinux on my Toshiba tablet and showed him the whole process... 1 hr. and I was packet sniffing... there was one customer in the place and i said:
'Mrs. Jones (innsert real name).. i need to take down the network for minute"
She was like "How do you know my name?" ... "because you named your PC that"
 
lol
 
she was impressed.. owner of store was impressed.. finally got what i was talking about
 
@Darknight Best invention ever.
 
main thing is.. did it without making anyone feel stupid
yah, wireshark comes standard on SciLi
 
yea people skill is important
 
11:22 AM
Wireshark is awesome.
 
Kevin Mitnick knew a few things, i guess
in terms of social engineering. think you have to work your 'straights' if you have to work for non-techs
at the very least it will help you prove you need a raise
FWIS it is the smartest people who have the hardest time telling their bosses they need a raise
i know i have never been that good at doing it :-(
 
I've found that, by trying harder at soft skills, goes a long way..
 
i ran an online store and when i quit i calced my hourly rate at like $4
down from $30
 
Damn, that suuucks!
 
cause the owner, she was a lot smarter than i was in terms of 'social engineering' and she knew my level of 'ownership'
she knew there was no way i was going to let the site look bad, even though she knew that 1 guy running a 1300 page site while working a 40+ hr/week day job was a reach
i won't let that happen again though.
 
11:28 AM
ouch, tell me you keep all copies of your own source codes?
 
Dark the only reason i walked without suing was because i never signed a contract.. she got a lot of custom CSS, Flash, and merchant software proprietary customization but i escaped out of the black hole.
without suing == getting sued for continued service
oh, and like 10 grand of photoshop work
 
gotta run big cheese comming
 
Some Indian company in London did similar to me.
 
ducks, al-tabs and runs....
 
heh
 
11:31 AM
Hahaha
 
What you people do in ur leisure time??
 
Play in a band.
 
i hiked 250 miles of the Appalachian Trail this summer
 
@kyle :D if you in ofc thn?
@Quinn1000 ohh great!
:)
 
i have a couple hundred photos but these are some i photoshopped so far
 
11:34 AM
@Richa What?
 
certainly doesn't do the experience of walking up and down mts. 15 miles a day justice, though :-)
 
@kyle how can I play Band If I am in Office
 
Aha, well.. Good question, lock the office door?
 
@Quinn1000 its really good
And site too :)
 
and he is good at it!
(Kyle)
 
11:36 AM
@kyle :D you did it ..
its not I can't lock ..:(
 
Richa that's why i like you even though we've just met.. you are a positive person
 
@Quinn1000 Thanks! :D
 
who encourages others :-) we should all be more like that
 
My colleagues are here @kyle
@Quinn1000 thanks!
 
@Quinn1000 Agreed.
 
11:38 AM
:)
 
@Richa Show them who's boss! :)
 
@kyle hahaha :D
 
My bosses are actually planning on changing offices to an open landscape...
Not enjoying that thought.
 
@Quinn1000 its really something new in your site
:)
@kyle awww :( then how will you lock the door?
:P
 
I really like open landscape
Would never work in a private office again
 
11:41 AM
@Richa EXACTLY!
@GauteMagnussen Really? I think I prefer having my own office.
 
i like hearing that there are people who get to write a whole program
 
as long as I collaborate with others I find it great
 
@kyle .. show your boss who is boss than :P
 
@Richa I shall!
 
my school seems to be focused on teaching us to write a small part of a larger gov project.. geuss it is because we are so near DC
 
11:43 AM
@kyle .. you are my inspiration :P
 
and there is so much team programming for military/gov
but other than simnet i don't really want to program for the military
simnet, i would be happy to help with
 
I'd like to work for Skynet
 
because it teaches soldiers how to not blow the wrong people away
 
@Richa :D
@GauteMagnussen Ha! Isn't there a Japanese robotics company called Skynet?
 
@KyleSevenoaks I was thinking about the company from Terminator, but if it's Japaneese now, thats ok too
 
11:45 AM
when i was on tanks, simnet really helped us not just react and shoot.. but to react quickly the right way.. those programmers saved a lot of lives on the civilian side and friendly side tbh
 
@GauteMagnussen Yeah, I love that franchise, I'm sure that there is actually one in Japan..
 
@kyle please let me know what was your boss's response...
:P
than after I will try
 
anyway, i hope that most people who are programmers are not just interested in $$$? or am i just being naive?
 
Nope, I want to become much better at programming and eventually be able to make some awesome apps :)
 
Beware truly evil companies that offer employment until the end of the world.
 
11:49 AM
well i sure respect writing a program for sheer effieciency. but my ultimate goal is to sim animals that are going extinct
 
Hello
 
Hi.
@Quinn1000 :D
 
i figure that they are going to go extinct no matter how much touchy-feely goes on, so if i can help simulate things like polar bears, cheetahs, etc... at least they won't be entirely lost
 
@spoulson hello
:)
 
but i am only doing Physics in school for my natural sciences.. so i guess will have to get some people who are doing biology/zoology to help
hi spoulson
 
11:54 AM
@Quinn1000 you sound like psychiatrist
 
i think that as long as there are people out there recording endangered animals with video, and recording their environments, and taking samples, and tracking movements etc. then at some point we can make them electronically to the point that the animal won't know the difference
 
are you?
@Quinn1000
 
no, i just don't want certain animals to be entirely lost
 
:D
what about human beings?
 
that is a little bit odd, its like... creating a virtual family member or something, is it quite the same? lol :p
 
11:56 AM
just think that even though we can't recreate a whole animal yet, we CAN record the data to make the animal a few years from now
 
@danixd :D
 
that would make sense :3
 
exactly !!
 
i say get those expensive 3D cameras that they used to film Jackass 3D (great movie BTW) out there in the bush to record the lives of animals that aren't going to be around +20 yrs
i'll help with the programming, that's all
 
I would have thought the future would be in storing dna and making some sort of stem cell version etc, not really sure if the animals would behave the same way though, even if they had the same dna
 
11:58 AM
we're spending a lot of money shooting a guy with his ass painted green shooting a turd into the air... let's spend the same amount of effort recording polar bears BEFORE the ice caps melt
but danixd we need the environment as well
 
true. Man is too greedy, we are our own worst enemy
it is quite sad really
 

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