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12:06 AM
@QPaysTaxes So, now that you found it, did you tell him where it was from?
@QPaysTaxes Good. That should make his day.
 
12:46 AM
@QPaysTaxes yes; why?
It allows you to declare a const variable in a header file, but give it a value privately
Objective-C APIs use it a lot for string constants like notification names
...what on earth is this?
/* The version of the AppKit framework */
APPKIT_EXTERN const double NSAppKitVersionNumber;

#define NSAppKitVersionNumber10_0 577
#define NSAppKitVersionNumber10_1 620
#define NSAppKitVersionNumber10_2 663
#define NSAppKitVersionNumber10_2_3 663.6
#define NSAppKitVersionNumber10_3 743
#define NSAppKitVersionNumber10_3_2 743.14
#define NSAppKitVersionNumber10_3_3 743.2
#define NSAppKitVersionNumber10_3_5 743.24
#define NSAppKitVersionNumber10_3_7 743.33
#define NSAppKitVersionNumber10_3_9 743.36
yeah...but why doubles, and why did they pick those specific numbers?
 
1:11 AM
@dur Regarding this CV, please read this note from the OP. Says your dupe target is invalid
 
1:22 AM
Where is Closey :-(
 
Sam
@TylerH Working on it! :)
Currently upgrading her chat lib to use .net core.
 
nice
 
Sam
Then her tracking lib is next.
 
so you can be lazy and write her code from Mac? :-P
 
Sam
Then we should be done.
@TylerH gasp Blasphemy!
Linux, ofc
 
1:34 AM
I figured you'd use the decent *nix
 
@Sam Not that MacOS is really FreeBSD :P
 
1:55 AM
Installing update...
 
 
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Update failed!
 
@Sam sorry for that. Nobody's fire crashed so I'm running a backup ver in which I've now disabled autoupdate. It won't happen again
 
Sam
@AshishAhuja No worries :)
 
if it happens again you can just use the leave room command if you want. It shouldn't happen again, but I'm going afk now so just in case
afk
 
Sam
Ok
I'm sure it won't come to that though.
 
3:25 AM
this may sound like an odd question, but... have there been any posts that should have been caught by Smokey but weren't?
 
@ThomasWard CV: too broad/unclear. :-)
 
4:05 AM
@ThomasWard We can be watching for such messages. I would have assumed that you get a reasonable number from questions which are manually reported. It's been a long time since I've seen anything other than self-vandalism, or self-promotion, that was not brought to my attention by smokey. Even then, the ones I've seen not though smokey have been much more difficult to identify as problem posts.
 
4:48 AM
@AshishAhuja leave room wouldn't help, since it reboots before printing "Update failed!"
anyway, I'm going to bed. Goodnight
 
5:08 AM
(not spam)
that said, it should probably be closed as unclear, though I think i know what their issue is (hence my answer)
@Makyen manual reports are a little different than auto API reports, but I think we fixed the gremlins
 
@ThomasWard I guess my quandary is: I'm not sure what you desire to get from your inquiry beyond the manual reports which are already being delivered. I'm sure there are multiple people here who are happy to help, but we need some sort of context regarding what you're looking for. Are you wanting additional classes of things which Smokey could be reporting? Are you just double checking to see if there are questions which people thought might be good to report, but haven't (for whatever reason).
 
5:34 AM
@Makyen The core problem was we had a very long time period of "nothing" coming over Smokey. From anywhere.
but it turns out it was gremlins that we've since squished hard with the hammer of justice and debugging
since it's all working now, no more alarm bells are needed, at least not as far as Smokey not working is concerned.
 
 
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7:04 AM
@NobodyNada Hi
 
7:22 AM
@NobodyNada uh, yeah..
forgot about that :|
 
 
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10:59 AM
Morning. o/
 
11:50 AM
@Floern The one about gcc does not look suitable for SuperUser. It would be on-topic here, since it is a programmer's tool, but it is best closed as Unclear for now.
I'd say the same about Beacon frames as well, it looks like the OP wants to modify wifi packets. That would be ServerFault if we were sure it was to do with sys admin, or could be on-topic but too-broad/unclear if a programmatic solution was sought.
 
12:50 PM
Can anyone that is paranoid and know chinese/japonese check if this site follow proper attribution? secqa.com/… I think they do not, but asian scripts ain't my forte
 
 
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2:07 PM
@QPaysTaxes Which Icelandic city did you stumble upon?
@QPaysTaxes Heh
@QPaysTaxes Makes sense
Damascus is pronounced 'damesq' in Persian now
 
2:49 PM
@QPaysTaxes: steal it with my blessings.
And the history of humanity is one of repeated sweeping migrations and annihilations. How far back are you intending to look for "original" people and language?
Jerusalem to the Jebusites, I say.
 
3:48 PM
is this on-topic, or even a good question? stackoverflow.com/questions/42876420/…
 
4:07 PM
@JanDvorak it is on-topic, detecting device capabilities is a programming task. It is not a good question though
 
 
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5:14 PM
A "please convert borrowed code that I found" type of question.
 
user4639281
5:50 PM
any javascript hammer in here at the moment?
 
@TinyGiant yeah
 
user4639281
Wanna throw a dupe vote here?
 
@TinyGiant I think he's trying to say that question/answer doesn't work for him.
 
^-- why wasn't this post caught? The user should be already on the blacklist
 
6:04 PM
@QPaysTaxes Maybe, but I'd hate to close it as a dupe of a question, whose only answer suggests an obsolete version of jQuery for no apparent reason.
 
@QPaysTaxes Invalid format. Valid format: !!/isblu profileurl or !!/isblu userid sitename.
@QPaysTaxes User is blacklisted (7732578 on stackoverflow.com).
 
Sam
@QPaysTaxes ?
 
Found a different dupe with some better answers.
 
Sam
It looks like a bug. But I'm not a smokey dev, so can't say for sure.
lol
 
lol
o/ sam
 
Sam
6:15 PM
\o
 
@QPaysTaxes Reduction to the essential?
hi folks
 
Sam
Hiya
 
@QPaysTaxes Who says that binary is less redundant than natural language? Given the way human brains work, natural language is much better suited to them than binary.
 
user4639281
@QPaysTaxes this
 
user4639281
:shrug:
 
6:25 PM
 
user4639281
Yeah, that one
 
6:55 PM
@QPaysTaxes: What does "sd k" do? I know that you're sending a message to the smoke detector, but what message? And where is the documentation of these messages/commands? I clicked on the SmokeDetector, but I did not find it there.
@QPaysTaxes: thanks. Is there a link to these commands, or do I need to go to the GitHub site?
And if I do sd k does it send another message to the smokedetector?
Ah, I see, thanks. Got it.
 
@QPaysTaxes Yes, you are a privileged user.
 
!!/amiprivileged
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels No, you are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.
 
got it. Thanks.
 
Wait, teh flower can now give out the keys to Charcoal's bot?
probably duplicate. Does someone have a link? stackoverflow.com/questions/42878640/…
 
7:18 PM
@QPaysTaxes you mean this one? /cc @HovercraftFullOfEels
 
@rene: that didn't have the commands on it, but the page the qpays sent me did. It looks like I have a better chance of joining charcoal if someone on the team recommends me.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels I'm happy to add you here if I have seen you do a few dry-runs
 
@rene: do you mean interacting with the smoke detector?
re "dry-runs"
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels yep
 
OK, I will study the commands page....
!!/help
 
7:24 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels I'm SmokeDetector, a bot that detects spam and offensive posts on the network and posts alerts to chat. A command list is available here.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels It's FireAlarm's fault.
 
!!/test random text
 
> Would not be caught for title, body, and username.
 
!!/test dufus
 
7:26 PM
> Would not be caught for title, body, and username.
> Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, bad keyword in username
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Title - Position 6-23: muscle supplement
Title - Position 6-12: muscle
Body - Position 6-23: muscle supplement
Username - Position 6-23: muscle supplement
 
!!/test sex
 
> Would not be caught for title, body, and username.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Why would it be caught? It's used often enough in posts
We'd rather blacklist 'Microsoft' than 'sex'
 
@M.A.R.: I don't know. I was testing sd
LOL
 
7:36 PM
@M.A.R. Oy, you watch it ...
 
@rene: that link looks suspicious, but the rest of the post doesn't, what to do here? cc:@QPaysTaxes
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels I've edited the link out
 
@QPaysTaxes: do you have a bot to test for plagiarism, or must you search the site yourself for this?
@rene: thanks
 
7:55 PM
@Makyen congratulations on your 500th answer
 
@TylerH Thanks.
 
@JarrodRoberson Dang, I missed my opportunity to close a question with a Jon Skeet custom reason by mere seconds
 
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it homework with no effort. — Jon Skeet 1 min ago
 
Folks! If you have some time, spend your CVs on the existing list of questions. The list is a few pages long right now!
Also @rene could you run the cleanup script?
 
@JanDvorak Unfortunately, that is no longer a valid close reason. It was specifically removed.
 
8:05 PM
@Makyen Thank goodness the custom reason is still there.
 
Ta
 
@TylerH Yeah, it's nice to be able to write one when the other's don't really fit. Having a generic close reason like: "This question is off-topic because it is not within the scope of questions appropriate for Stack Overflow, as defined in What topics can I ask about here?. Please also see: What types of questions should I avoid asking?" would be helpful.
 
Do you have the guts to bark up the right tree in this case? ;-)
 
@Makyen That could easily be the default text of the custom reason.
 
8:16 PM
@JanDvorak If you're asking me if I want to post a meta feature request question asking for it, I'm might be willing. OTOH, the custom reason and being able to auto-fill reasons (user script) is sufficient for my usage. That text, along with a pointer to the list of stack exchange sites and, if I identify one, a specific site, is one of my custom auto-fill reasons.
 
I mean, the right tree would be to remind the closer that there is a better close reason to use.
 
@Olaf Yeah, it's the custom reason I use most, as it is intentionally generic. I generally try to add a link to an appropriate Stack Exchange site where the question might be on topic, in addition to providing a pointer to the list of SE sites.
Re. Homework close: I did not follow the question long enough. The homework text was removed from the help center (archive), but was then restored 2 days later (current).
 
 
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Sam
10:00 PM
 
10:11 PM
C doesn't have ranges...
 
@QPaysTaxes C provides an abstraction from the underlying machine. Explicit OOP support by the language is not a criterion for a HLL. You refer to abstraction, which is a different subject.
@QPaysTaxes You mean It ?
@QPaysTaxes I don't think so. I might be missinterpreting, what you mean, though.
@QPaysTaxes Sorry, but that's nonsense. C is considered a HLL. That refers to machine-abstraction and modulatisation. Both are supported by C. Which features do you consider mandatory for a HLL?
No, Python is a high abstraction language. Didn't I say that already?
 
@QPaysTaxes Define that "somewhere", and the "very, very obvious line".
 
I've never heard that term before
 
Sam
@QPaysTaxes You mean because python is a dynamically typed lang which uses indentation as part of its syntax?
I've always known both langs as high-level.
 
@Sam That would make Occam2 higher than C, too. But it never was.
 
Sam
10:22 PM
Some people call C "mid-level" though.
 
@QPaysTaxes I'm not asking for specific terms. I'm asking for concepts. While I agree there are significant differences, you've stated that there is a "very, very obvious line", which means that you make a clear distinction between classes of programming languages. I was interested in how you are classifying them, and where you drew the line(s) between them.
 
Because Python has garbage collection, higher order functions, even some functional primitives...
 
@QPaysTaxes You don't have to in C either. Exceptions are not a relevant concept for a HLL. It is just one way of many to handle errors. C'w way is to return an error-code/flag/etc.
 
@QPaysTaxes I was not intending to imply that it needed specific vocabulary. I'm sorry that was what was communicated.
 
@QPaysTaxes C has goto, setjmp/longjmp, which can be used to handle such situations (and certain code, e.g. Linux) uses these facilities. Nevertheless, that is not a crioterion of the "level" of a language, but the abstraction.
There are people who consider exceptions as such harmfull.
 
10:30 PM
@Olaf O_o
 
You concentrate too much on syntactic sugar. Just because you have to add more code does not mean a language does not allow for them. You are aware Python is written in C, are you? And Early C++ was compiled to C code first.
 
Lisp has a pretty beefed up exception system that lets you "un-throw" them from the handling site
@Olaf anything between Assembly and Ruby is equally Turing complete
Assembly is just syntactic sugar, too
 
@QPaysTaxes In real-time code they are a no-go, because they add indeterministic processing. Also they are not really different from goto in that they jump to arbitrary code.
I have somewhere more problems, but IIRC, these were in German and I will not search for that page right now.
@QPaysTaxes The term is well-defined already. Look it up.
@QPaysTaxes Wikipedia is unrelated? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real-time_computing
@QPaysTaxes In the main page of WP, "real-time", 2nd link (first is about the general term, also links to RT-computing).
@QPaysTaxes Not growing up with google&co might sometimes be an advantage ;-))
@QPaysTaxes Use a free-energy generator.
As you have to tag variables as _Thread_local or _Atomic I don't see a difference if you don't use these specifier resp. qualifier whether you use threads or not.
Which differences would you expect?
 
11:14 PM
\o
 
Sam
o/
 
11:47 PM
@QPaysTaxes That's the same for multi-threading - unless you use atomics, etc. (and volatile is not enough for multithreaded code).
@QPaysTaxes Please read my posting carefully and then have a look at the abstract machine. The compiler is free to assume the variables are not modified outside the currect flow of code if you don't tell it explicitly!
That's actually one of the major reason for C code failing when made multithreaded by inexperienced programmers.
(that and missconceptions about volatile for hardware accesses)
If you have shared objects, you have to qualify them appropriately adn use atomic operations with the correct memory ordering.
@QPaysTaxes I C hardly any assumption is implicit. That's actually it's strength (and the reason beginners run into one pit after the other).
 
^^ this
 

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