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6:00 PM
to me (and not to you) the missing column
 
@Drew Yep.
 
Why bother fixing and re-opening a question from May 2013?
 
user4639281
18 mins ago, by Tiny Giant
@Adriaan To use it as a duplicate target
 
I would use it regardless
 
Same error, same answer.
 
6:01 PM
\o/ find the yesterday mac firefox lag issue
the script was not the culprit
 
Older question
 
now the browser lags quite less
 
user4639281
What is the point in closing a question as a duplicate of an off-topic question
 
user4639281
If the target is off-topic, close the duplicate as off-topic
 
user4639281
Just because it is a simple question does not make it a typo
 
user4639281
6:03 PM
It's an error that I am sure many people face.
 
@Cerbrus thx. Added that to my close reason for such issues. That said I already closed the thingie to the current one we are discussing
 
user4639281
Why not just leave it open and use it as a dupe target
 
@TinyGiant You're addressing a strawman there. The resoning is not "simple therefore typo".
 
Why bother fixing old junk when there's plenty of valid targets out there
 
user4639281
6:04 PM
Because it was being used as a target
 
targets can be closed. That was my original question to tiny and tuna
I am not spending 1 hour to close a question
I find a decent one after 10 min bang
34 mins ago, by Drew
@TinyGiant @Tunaki what are your thoughts on using This as a dupe target considering its status
Tuna said go for it
 
user4639281
Then a gold badge holder can close 50 off-topic questions in a day single handedly simply by finding other questions closed for the reason they believe that question is off-topic. That seems like a really bad policy to me
 
Sounds awesome to me
 
user4639281
And then we have a whole 50 questions closed every day that are going to stick around for at least a year
 
user4639281
That is problematic behavior if I ever did see it
 
6:09 PM
I have come to the conclusion that disk space is cheap. There are only 13M questions. That is rather minuscule for sql
 
What seems problematic to me, is re-opening an old, closed, low quality question that hasn't seen activity in years.
Only to use it as dupe target, while there are plenty other viable targets.
 
user4639281
The age of a question is context, not content
 
user4639281
Do we vote on context or content?
 
I vote to close and the awful stuff I drag the url to my "to be deleted" folder
 
6:11 PM
Don't ignore "closed, low quality question that hasn't seen activity in years"
 
@Cerbrus follow me for a second. Let's just assume that the question is stellar and on SO there is not an open one related to that error. With me so far?
 
user4639281
@Cerbrus "closed, low quality" Closed: yes; low quality: not really; Useful: yes; "hasn't seen activity in years" completely irrelevant
 
@Drew Go on?
The error message says it all — John Conde May 2 '13 at 14:03
I call that low quality. The error message is the answer.
 
@Cerbrus ok, so that question is closed years ago as Not a Real Question (old cv reason)
 
user4639281
@Cerbrus So what? It is a simple question. Are we closing questions because of their simplicity now?
 
6:13 PM
@Cerbrus but as said Drew can't find a better one to dupehammer to. And in my made up world that is a fact.
So I am happy to reopen cuz to me It Is a Real Question
 
@Drew Then maybe drew should ask for help looking for a different dupe target.
It's not like it took me a lot of time to find those I linked.
 
@Cerbrus you are not following the logic up there. You disobeyed the premise you agreed to
 
user4639281
@Cerbrus Because you don't think people should look at old questions, even if other users found them useful
 
@TinyGiant I think old closed questions shouldn't be brought back to life for no reason at all.
 
user4639281
There was a reason, I made it on-topic
 
6:16 PM
@TinyGiant You made it on-topic for the purpose of using it as dupe target. That reason is pointless, since there are plenty of other dupe targets.
 
user4639281
It is pointless in your opinion. In my opinion, every closed question that can be made on-topic and opened, should be made on-topic and opened, regardless of it's age or activity, or any other meaningless contextual information
 
@Cerbrus I couldn't fine one at the time. Not everyone has your mental ingenuity
 
@TinyGiant I absolutely do not see how your edit made it on-topic.
 
@Drew The premise is based on an irrelevant scenario: "There are no other questions like that"
 
@Louis I just looked and I concur
 
6:18 PM
@Drew I literally googled the error. Come on.
 
user4639281
@Louis It was no longer not a real question
 
user4639281
It is now a real question, hence it should not be closed as not a real question
 
Just off-topic
 
@TinyGiant Ok, then explain what made it "not a real question" before, and how it ceased to be "not a real question" after your edit.
 
user4639281
You seem to be grossly misinterpreting the typo close reason
 
6:18 PM
@Cerbrus like I didn't
 
RTFM / read the error.
 
user4639281
@Louis It didn't have an interrogatory statement before, now it does. Hence it is now a real question
 
lol
 
So, let's add a ? in every not-question that was closed as "Not a real question", then.
 
user4639281
Do we really need to close every simple question on the site? That is going to be a herculean waste of time and energy if so
 
6:20 PM
Do we need to re-open questions that are already closed, and have been, for years? That is going to be a herculean waste of time and energy if so
 
user4639281
@Cerbrus If you can make a question on-topic with a simple edit, you should do that.
 
Tiny the one I closed deserved it.
 
user4639281
@Cerbrus the years part is irrelevant contextual information
 
(lack of) punctuation doesn't make a question (not) a question.
 
user4639281
Yes we should reopen closed questions that are not off-topic
 
6:21 PM
@TinyGiant Again, no one is arguing that every simple question should be closed.
 
user4639281
@Cerbrus I agree, it should not have been closed in the first place
 
user4639281
@Louis Explain to me how that problem is caused by a typographical error?
 
user4639281
It is a simple error yes, but not due to misspelling
 
@TinyGiant Drew has already explained.
 
user4639281
@Louis insufficiently
 
6:23 PM
@TinyGiant Ok.
 
@TinyGiant "Typo" is a very likely scenario, though.
 
user4639281
But it is not a typo
 
user4639281
It is a facepalm problem for sure, but it isn't a typo
 
People disagree as to what a typo is. Some people hold that it literally has to b a single-character error. Others (including me), hold that forgetting to pass an entire argument to a function (for instance) is also a typo.
 
user4639281
Obviously it is solved in such a way that it will be useful to future viewers, viewers have since found it useful, and it has been asked again repeatedly
 
6:24 PM
@Louis This.
 
user4639281
@Louis Well you're wrong
 
@TinyGiant "and it has been asked again repeatedly" So use one of those as dupe target.
 
I think he is right
 
user4639281
@Cerbrus Sure, then close it as a duplicate, don't close it as a typo question when it isn't a typo
 
If they are crappy like I said we delete them (enuf sign posts)
 
6:26 PM
@TinyGiant That wouldn't have been necessary if you guys hadn't re-opened it in the first place.
 
Meanwhile, the closed one can be delete-voted.
 
Like I said a dupe close can not last 1 year ^^^
And maybe if I could get back to earning another 1100 rep I could help in that effort for the In The Now deleting. But instead get wrapped up (lately daily) with arguing about what is and what is not a Typo and defending myself against gosh Drew you s*ck at google :p
 
user4639281
@Cerbrus I reopen questions that shouldn't be closed, I do not believe that is problematic.
 
@TinyGiant This one should be closed, though. Even after the edit, the OP is basically missing a parameter.
 
user4639281
6:40 PM
I do not agree that it should be closed at all
 
I do not agree that it should not be closed at all.
I think we are in agreement, then.
 
user4639281
If anything it should be closed as a duplicate
 
I love the question. It has "1136" in the Title. It is not mired down with all the PHP crap for a target. As such it is a Pure Play. I upvoted it (it is a good question, maybe not a ton of research effort). I upvoted the answer. And I happily cv on it. It is now closed
 
@TinyGiant seems typoy to me.
 
user4639281
I disagree
 
6:50 PM
All part of the big fight above
 
nice
 
@TinyGiant We already did that once. Lets not keep the wheel spinning in the room.
 
And in 14 days we close it again.
 
user4639281
Six people have found the question helpful, and twelve people have found the answer helpful.
 
150 people found certain tools helpful. Some of those questions get deleted
 
user4639281
6:54 PM
@Drew The typo close reason specifies that the problem is solved in a manner unlikely to help future viewers, that is obviously not the case here. I'm done arguing about it though, if other users want to reopen it, so be it, if not, fine.
 
@TinyGiant 10 people closed it, meanwhile 5 re-opened it
 
user4639281
@Cerbrus ... so far
 
@πάνταῥεῖ it's a link to imgur, and a non-spam containing image at that. I voted NAA
 
@TinyGiant Yeah that question was already closed reopened by this room
and closed again
this is too much now
 
@Tunaki I added the 4th room meeting issue to git/gist whatever you call it
 
7:00 PM
@Drew Yeah I saw
 
@NathanOliver User is not blacklisted.
 
@TinyGiant Yes why not leave that to the queue to decide?
 
7:18 PM
@AlexanderO'Mara any ideas on this op's problem? Or better tagging? stackoverflow.com/q/39602042
 
@Drew ... 0_o their escaped content does not even seem to be consistently escaped.
^ No MCVE is the only think I can think to do with it.
 
7:42 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis ouch, OP has no positive scoring questions
 
no surprise there
 
@tripleee this one is right up your alley if you can work some magic: stackoverflow.com/questions/39601357
 
> An event is starting in 8 minutes in SO Close Vote Reviewers - "Clear the CVQ "
seeing this is depressing to me for some reason
 
@Closey next 11 tags
 
She crashes when you give her prime numbers.
 
7:54 PM
@Closey next 12 tags
how about this?
 
Then 12 just changed to being prime. Let's warn the mathematical world.
wondering how much time I can keep this up until @Sam frees me
@dorukayhan You can just flag and move on. The queue will take care of it
eventually
 
Sam
@Tunaki :p
 
You write the letter to all scientists :p
 
@Closey start event
 
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
8698 need review
1134 reviews today
3476686 reviews all-time
The tags to work on are: , , .
 
8:01 PM
@Closey next 6 tags
 
@rene The next 6 tags are: 47, 32, 32, 30, 26, 25
 
See, 6 isn't prime.
 
gn all
 
You sure? 7 says it is and you may want to listen. he ate nine the other day.
 
lol
 
8:08 PM
He did?
Wow those numbers are carnivorous.
I left a comment on your issue @Drew. Can you take a look?
 
@Tunaki what issue. I have many going right now :p
 
@TinyGiant Why do you think that a basic not-supplying-the-correct-number-of-parameters is going to be useful to other users? The OP stated "Sorry the stupid question, but I couldn't see that." Did you intend to bring attention to it to get the question deleted perhaps?
 
folks, some of you may wonder who cast close votes on that old answers cleanup request - I found them. :) "does not appear to seek input and discussion from the community", yeah sure
 
@rene I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
8:12 PM
@gnat You might want to talk to gnat about his close-vote! Outrageous!
 
@Tunaki are those comments from you questions to me or for a meeting?
@AndrewMorton we successfully buried this for now (hoping for a reprieve for some time)
 
@Drew To you in this case, I just want to understand the topic and what you're bringing up fully.
And also set a concrete question to ask for the meeting.
 
Unless of course this room's members enjoy continuous preachie crappola
 
@gnat Clearly a call to help clean up the site is not seeking input from the community
@Drew Not really no :) so that's why I just want you to write this up clearly.
 
@Tunaki but of course :)
 
8:17 PM
@Tunaki I think my response to Andrew above (including 4 lines up) embodies the Topic
 
Can you dumb it down for me? :)
Is it 1. the discussion about typos or 2. the cv-pls / reopen-pls cycle, that is minding you? Or something else?
 
@Drew I'm probably as annoyed as you are but I suggest not using inflammatory language.
 
This is just to set clear boundaries on the topic.
 
wow that was inflammatory lol
 
So can you do that Drew please? I feel you have a true issue to mention, one that should be discussed.
Or we can Slack about it if you want.
 
8:24 PM
@Drew I shall not mention 22 vs 23 again.
 
This is all I have to add to it: (1) it seems to be an endless topic, (2) it is preachie, (3) people don't know when to stop, and (4) :
Sep 13 at 1:13, by Drew
We have 25 brains in this room. Not one master brain and 24 clones of it. We make our own choice
5
 
Dat star attraction.
 
@gnat somehow it is now re-opened
 
@rene Look at the guy that reopened it with his hammer. A FLOWER!
How can you trust flowers? I need to ask Meta that.
 
Hello!
 
8:27 PM
Hello!
 
@Drew Okay Drew. So your point is that the discussion is too long and should be cut down.
 
@rene that's very strange. These binding dupe close/reopen votes can be used in some weird ways, especially at meta
 
Yeah, we had it for September. Let's revisit our dug in heels in 30 days and regurgitate it again, then
 
Did I miss much while I was gone (since the beginning of the month)? It seems like I did...
 
@Drew Thanks. I added a comment github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/…. I hope it covers your concerns.
 
8:31 PM
@NobodyNada as long as you don't bring it up all over again you should be fine. If you do bring back history I might have to kick you ...
 
Just got there, threatened to be kicked. Welcome back :)
@Drew If it doesn't, poke me.
I kinda like to be poked, but not so much with pointy sticks
 
@rene Okay; I don't even know what happened...
@Tunaki thanks :)
 
@NobodyNada good, good, good .. ;)
 
user4639281
@AndrewMorton I was under the false impression that the point of Stack Overflow is to provide solutions to problems, and answers to questions. It turns out that we are all just here to close every question we set our eyes on whether they are off-topic or not, and alienate all of the users. Close All Teh Tingz!!!!!
 
And delete them after that, of course.
 
well that is a demented spin on it Tiny
 
Also edited the title a bit, if you don't mind Drew
 
looks good to me Tuna thx
 
@Drew is that only offensive to me?
 
@TinyGiant I gave up, its not actually possible.
 
8:41 PM
@rene I don't find it offensive
 
OK
 
idk rene
 
I didn't want to google so I rather ask
 
google?
the meaning of demented?
 
user4639281
I find this incessant need to close every question on the site whether there is an applicable close reason or not, just because they aren't branch prediction questions, offensive.
 
user4639281
8:45 PM
The inability to be okay with okay questions is detrimental at best
 
who says we need to close every question on the site?
 
user4639281
The fact that we have to make up and bend existing close reasons out of shape until they fit in some warped sense of reality.
 
@TylerH single words might be fine, it is when used in a sentence for a certain context I often get lost in translation. It is not you, it is me.
 
@TinyGiant Could some questions be /too/ trivial but the close reasons have been "politically corrected"? SO is nothing like as severe as, e.g., the old C++ newsgroups, but where should we draw the line?
 
I'm not having this discussion again.
 
user4639281
8:50 PM
@Louis Good for you
 
@DREW GOLD IN MYSQL!!!!! Congrats!
 
thx boss
 
was will a mod three years ago? he singlehandedly closed stackoverflow.com/q/4178214
 
JAL
Duplicates are not roomba'd?
@dorukayhan yes
 
user4639281
@AndrewMorton I don't know what you've been looking at, but I see reasonable on-topic questions being closed on a regular basis just because people don't like them.
2
 
8:51 PM
@JAL they are, when they have no answers and they are negatively scored
 
JAL
@Tunaki ah ok, so a 0 score question with a 0 score answer is ineligible
 
Hum. /help/roomba will answer that :)
 
@dorukayhan Yeah he was
 
afk
 
odd, stackoverflow.com/questions/100143/… has 5 delete votes listed but is not deleted yet
 
8:53 PM
@Queen k
 
why did it take 6 delete votes?
 
JAL
@TylerH delete votes scale depending on the number of upvotes to the question iirc
 
that ^
 
user4639281
We are unable to be okay with okay questions, and it is so disheartening that we can't focus our efforts more on the really low quality questions that actually need our attention
 
I thought 5 was the max needed though
 
8:53 PM
that ^^^
 
JAL
I think it can go up to 10
 
oh
 
that ----------------------^
 
---^------ that
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I did a few times
and it's deleted now at 6 votes
 
@rene You've reviewed 40 posts today, thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 44 minutes and 53 seconds, averaging to a review every 1 minute and 7 seconds.
 
JAL
looking for meta source for that info...
 
> The maximum number of delete votes needed will not exceed 10.
 
JAL
wafflez for NobodyNada
 

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