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7:00 PM
Give repz to dupe hammers for closing post, have you seen any dupes on meta?
 
Oh that is going to be shot down so fast
 
I know that you maybe don't really care, but I think it could improve SO
@Tunaki meeh not so sure... if I just use crap posts enouogh meta folks will agree : )
and Tim posts that @NathanOliver is interesting
 
user4639281
There have been many posts about awarding rep for closing questions in one form or another. They usually get lots of community support, then get forgotten
 
My new idea: delete outright all the close reasons except duplicate, create a new duplicate review queue, and give rep to flaggers / close voter as dupe when dupe is closed, in a scale of their rep (30 rep for < no badge in main tag, 15 for bronze, etc).
 
@rene I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
7:04 PM
The only closing that really matter and isn't correlated to voting is duplicate
The rest is a battle of pedants between too broad or opinion-based, just for the pre cooked text blurb, because they don't want to comment.
 
@Tunaki ooh yeah I would agree but the problem is that closing as unclear mcve sometimes op edit's and a nice question can arrive... the dv are to tough sometimes.
new users need to some slack on downvotes but not on close, hence if they are interested they read, learn and edit...
 
Dumbify the things. Good content for SO? Upvote. Bad content for SO? Downvote. That's really all there is to it.
The simpler has always been the better.
 
Well that's how it truly works anyway...
 
rene passed a audit!
 
I'll write something if I care enough about it some day...
 
7:09 PM
@Tunaki Now, what's good content for SO? :P
 
The only thingz is that a new user does not have enough knowledge to write a good question, I feel the close is good for that... would almost prefeer that question starts closed : ), then if you care you edit otherwise move on.
 
@PetterFriberg The close banner is to remind them something they should know about already!
 
sure but SO is complicated, first question on SO is very hard... you need some slack otherwise we will burn our new Tuna's before they get going...
I will start with a meta on repz for hammer, I would really also like repz for the one suggesting possibile duplicate (since they suggest the answer!!!), but if no one is reviewing them it would only be frustration.
 
@PetterFriberg We seem to be harsh, but that's actually needed
 
Meeh closing to me is not harsh any user with common sense would read and try to understand
 
7:14 PM
If closing is harsh, let's fix how it's presented to the user.
And yeah, if they're not willing to read half a paragraph explaining what they did wrong...
 
@PetterFriberg At least dupes are the most helpful form of closing questions
 
Yeah I often comment to user that duplicate is not a problem to get them to accept it
I see someone has suggested it as duplicate, I will not vote for now, consider to accept if this solves you problem (there is no problem with duplicates, it gives more entry points to answers). If you like to test your font (ttf) individually in itext, I have posted this Q/A How can I test if my font is rendered correctly in pdf?Petter Friberg 8 hours ago
 
@PetterFriberg Hammering just leaves them alone with it, yes.
 
What is the actual concrete difference between voting to close and downvoting, with someone possibly leaving a comment?
 
meeh the problem is improvment of post
This is an example
 
7:16 PM
A downvote conveys the same meaning -> not on-topic or should be improved
 
@PetterFriberg They probably can't improve their posts, because there are existing answers.
 
as you see in revision the post was pretty bad (valid for down votes)
in fact it got down votes, but op edit it!
 
so it will bring upvotes afterwards
 
meeh not so sure
 
7:17 PM
what did the close / reopen intermediate bring constructively?
 
You will not have votes reflecting the actual post
@Tunaki edit
 
so would a comment left by someone
and downvotes in the mean time showing that something is wrong
 
I'm not sure, I think for new user needs slack to understand how to post.. the best way is to close it... if they are good users they will try to understand why, edit and then reopen...
ok removing closing but you need some similar mechanism for new users..
 
mechanism is How to Ask
 
The problem with not down voting, or at least not voting down a question that is at 0 is that you do not feed it to the roomba if the OP is one of the people that do not care and they just want a answer. We need the down votes otherwise the trash pollutes the site for longer.
 
7:21 PM
@PetterFriberg we are at a point where we can't give anyone any slack
BTW, downvote is more a signal to others than it's to the poster
 
I honestly don't really see the value in closing questions anymore. SE relies on voting.
 
@NathanOliver I agree, but if OP edits and make a good post then you should review it again
 
So why isn't voting the decisive argument?
 
Closing questions still has value
 
@PetterFriberg I have doubts in handling new users in a special way would do any good for the overall quality of the site. It's may be just the opposite.
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7:22 PM
@PetterFriberg And I do.
 
As Petter mentioned, it's a signal to others. Broken windows are bad.
 
Why don't we all post a link to first revision of our first question?
 
Isn't a downvote a signal of similar value?
 
@Tunaki because closing prevents answers
 
@PetterFriberg or maybe the first ever Q on SO. Or Answer
 
7:23 PM
@PetterFriberg We have a system for this.
 
This is my first question at first revision stackoverflow.com/revisions/32786245/1
unclear, too broad, mcve, dv!!
 
That... actually looks like a decent question
 
(I was on the site over a year before I asked a Q)
 
7:27 PM
Wait for meee
how can I see mine?
 
Honestly, all of those are decent questions
 
@FirstStep is:q user:me
order by newest
 
Signal to noise isn't closing, it's voting, up or down. Too much down? Just hide or delete the thing.
 
meeh I just want you to remember and when you posted it you need some slack...
 
@Tunaki they all follow the pattern: what I want, how I'm trying to achieve the objective, the problem, and the attempted solution
 
7:28 PM
@Braiam Yep. Standard question. Or one would expect a standard question to be.
 
I'm not sure that this one actually was my 1st question, or I had deleted earlier bad ones.
 
@Braiam this way? :/ i.stack.imgur.com/XzsmH.png
 
@FirstStep go to the last page
 
@πάνταῥεῖ This is your first revision stackoverflow.com/revisions/10767131/1
 
@FirstStep or go to stackoverflow.com/users/5890227/…, pick the last
 
7:29 PM
oh so first ever Q not review stackoverflow.com/questions/35237854/…
mine is a Java Q. That's odd lol
 
ooh looks like a dupe of some Android canonical :p
 
@Braiam All of mine still fit at one page :)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I have only 10 questions... 3 self-answered
 
@Tunaki still not bad as a first Q lol
 
@πάνταῥεῖ what would you do if you saw your first revision today, this is what I mean...
we need to find the users that cares about the site...
 
7:32 PM
@PetterFriberg Oh, yes I missed to post an MCVE, you're right :)
 
a person who cares, edit his question, when he learns what is wrong...
 
@PetterFriberg I'd bail that out of course :P
 
But anyway, why do you close questions? Wouldn't it be way simpler to relying to voting? Raise the bar to 500 or something and let the game play. Up or down, dead simple. Down means needs improvement, and the help is How to Ask.
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luckily I found a good example
 
waffles
 
7:34 PM
My first question ever was a problem with a xchat plugin project, I had only 3 hours of experience with python and I already was working with an API, a framework and a new language, all at the same time
 
@Tunaki Don't know Tuna downvots need to be reversed some how, it's nice how closing get reversed...
I would prefeer 1 cv, closed! and you need to edit
 
@PetterFriberg Like close votes. That are reversed by reopen votes.
 
Yeah maybe but not sure
 
@PetterFriberg why "downvotes need to be reversed"?
if people find that it's a decent question they will upvote
 
@Braiam I mean today you see bad question, dv move on...
 
7:36 PM
@PetterFriberg like you would close vote and move on
 
not many people go back to check if edited
 
@PetterFriberg that's the thing, nobody should be forced to
 
@Tunaki Yeah but if reopend your vote is invalidated (totally)
 
and for that there's the /active page
 
@PetterFriberg An upvote is worth more point that a downvote, so it's reversed, times 2.5
 
7:37 PM
if you could edit the post into shape then you will get upvotes
 
I would like to vote on the final content!, which I can't know until the OP finished editing
 
@PetterFriberg they had all the time of the world for edit... before they posted
as you can see, posting a decent question in the first try is not impossible
just that most people aren't willing to put that much effort!
and then they complain about downvotes
 
meeh it is if its the first thing you do on SO. If you come to answer ok then it's not
 
I spent one hour posting my first question.... 45 minutes reading the help pages, 10 verifying I can reproduce the issue, and 5 minutes writing the question
^ that is something people is not willing to do
If you can't put that effort into writing a good post, then likewise we should not spend an extra second re-reviewing your question
 
I see it differently I was working and had a question, I did the tour, then tried SO mostly just to see what happened (out of interest), but I could and did resolve my problem by my seld
 
7:41 PM
How long is it needed
So my votes get back
 
In any case, regardless of the first question asked, why does a close vote bring more than a downvote and a helpful user leaving a comment?
 
I was positively surprised and that made my engage..
 
I agree with Braiam
 
I don't see it anymore.
 
people are lazy slugs
 
7:41 PM
From a serial voting
 
We just argue semantics.
 
I do not know what to do or where to ask, but this user apparently cross posted question over SO and SU: http://superuser.com/users/640209/wbhyatt

I'm too tired to start a Meta post about it; I'm not even sure if it's wrong. Can someone more experienced check it out? Question title: *Way to Create Keyboard Shortcuts for Google Search Results*
 
back to business
@UnknownDeveloper Tonight
UTC 3 or something like that, that's when the reversal of serial downvoting script runs
 
I already got my points
 
@Tunaki The difference is that close vote is totally reversed anyway yeah back to business
 
7:42 PM
Do I have to wait again
 
@PetterFriberg And a upvote reverses a downvote times 2.5 ;)
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So it restores to the old
 
@Drew And we're lazy slacks ;)
 
@UnknownDeveloper It should be automatic.
 
@TomášZato where is the post on SO?
 
7:43 PM
When the script runs, you get the rep back
 
I have it but the questions and answers still remain
With the downvotes
Ex answer has 4 still 3
 
@PetterFriberg here
 
@UnknownDeveloper we talked about that a day ago
It takes time. There is cache. A mod can do it
I gave a Link to the meta.stackoverflow.com/a/333931 where the mod can do it. So dont fret
 
How long does it require
 
@Drew a mod can't
 
7:46 PM
@UnknownDeveloper 6 to 8 normally
 
Oh god hope I'm alive by then
 
link is related to question
 
@UnknownDeveloper Oh, just click the score
 
@TomášZato it's not correct to cross post, that question probably is correct on SO but for me it is too broad hence close vote...
 
Those are cached
 
7:47 PM
Not enough repo
 
Then don't worry about it :)
 
It's jusy the cache.
 
sd [what should be placed here?]
 
Blame Mr Cache.
 
7:48 PM
Hope mr cache fixes it self
 
bah, forgot the -
 
Before I die
 
@UnknownDeveloper :D Yeah in a couple of days by itself
 
@SmokeDetector that looks 100% spam
 
language please, please edit your message to not have swears
 
7:49 PM
Moody
 
thanks
 
@TomášZato You could leave a comment to user that he/she should not cross post, if not certain where to post, ask on SE meta
 
Earthquakes hit us every 3 hours or smt
 
OP deleted on that last SD report
 
Around 2 to 5 on the Richter scale
 
7:52 PM
 
@UnknownDeveloper Does that actually cause hiccups at your keyboard? I don't want to be cynical (feeling with you this is a scary experience)l, but how does that really relate here.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ u censor guy. You govt non-anarchist guy
 
@FirstStep, just want to tell you about this request, I know it's funny, but for the sake of formality we don't want to include language that pressures other chat members into handling a request.
 
@Drew I'm still emphatic :P
And censorship isn't really my game.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ do you realize the deep unabating pain he is going thru right now? Has some like upvotes at 3 that should be 4. Has to wait on cache. House shaking from tremors. Little knick nacks falling off the mantle. So no censorship in the time of grief
 
8:00 PM
@Drew I've gotta admit I didn't follow the whole thing. Still I don't see how the earthquakes are actually relevant. That was I wanted to say.
Not only I'm an anarchist, I'm a realist also.
 
@Tunaki I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
yea yeah
 
Tunaki passed an audit!
 
8:06 PM
gn all
 
@ColdFire N8
@Queen k
 
Tunaki passed a audit!
 
<-- java expert.......
that question should be closed btw, the right dupe is buried under a pile of crap.
 
^ see comment on answer
 
Undelete vote for godaddy please review @Yvette @rene @Petter. For me, deletion is good result. stackoverflow.com/questions/14909714/…
 
8:20 PM
@gunr2171 the Q had 4 votes already before I submitted a call here. So by Finish him I meant the 5th vote. But you are right I should not have included that or at least stated what I mean
 
@Drew I'm well realizing that. Though it's not actually relevant regarding the issue mentioned.
 
@Tunaki that doesn't look (from the title) programming at all
 
@Tunaki meeh even if answer is from high rep users it seems opinion based, more like and advice, question should remain closed and I can't see reason to undelete
 
@Braiam want a screen shot?
 
do my opinion count?
 
@Braiam it does :)
 
that looks like a sys admin question, not a programming one
"how can I deploy on remote?" kind of question
 
Yep I agree.
 
@NathanOliver it has a reopen vote :|
 
8:33 PM
@AndrewL. you can't be faster than my bot :(
 
Lol
Too fast :D
 
productivity needs to go up
 
In what sense?
 
You are awarded the Bot Ninja Award @AndrewL. Congrats!
 
@Tunaki Thanks ;)
 
8:38 PM
@Queen k probably
 
@πάνταῥεῖ technically, you should only reply k in your hammered
 
Tuna we should have our own set of badges in this room
 
@Tunaki Ah, I didn't realize that. I'm off hammering it because I already VTC.
@Tunaki The dupe seemed valid though. How should I react?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ 1. Close + reply k; 2. Not dupe + reply f; 3. Do nothing
Doing nothing is always a good choice. Like Skip.
 
@PetterFriberg I assume it is from the answerer
 
8:54 PM
@NathanOliver Yeah I left a comment, trying to avoid reopen
 
you can post this everywhere, that's still NAA and not spam
 
wait a second
 
@PetterFriberg ty
 
@dorukayhan what if I want to wait a minute?
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8:57 PM
@Tunaki Okey, digested.
 
meh
I'd let the VLQRQ handle it
 
user4639281
In case anyone was wondering, I am open to critique on my new userscripts page
 
@TinyGiant I hate it
 
meta.stackoverflow.com/q/334404/3933332 Oh it will be funny to see some users loosing hundreds of rep just from some doc edits :p
 
@Tunaki Unsolicited
 
9:09 PM
@TinyGiant the right-click Translate to English doesn't improve it much
 
@TinyGiant I love it
 
me too
 
same same
Frickin' house crickets chirping and no more geckos digesting them. I'm close to a nervous breakdown :/
 
what happened to that facebook gecko?
 
@Drew They're both dead unfortunately. I didn't manage to run the terrarium right :(
 
9:17 PM
so you didn't plug in the Heat Rock and they froze to death
 
@πάνταῥεῖ not enough flow?
 
@Drew I think it was more the moisture, I have to repair the automatic raining device. It's frickin' stinky if your pets die because you're not able to make their environment comfortable enough. I feel soo bad about that (not to mention I'm missing my sweeties)
@Queen k
 
cookies
 
user4639281
@Drew lol
 
user4639281
I wrote a userscript to add some much needed functionality to the internal dealer site here at work, posted the script on community in case anyone else wanted it, full description of what a userscript is, how to install it, etc, etc. One person responds "No matter how many times I click 'translate to english', I still don't know what the hell any of that means, but the pictures with the red circles are nice"
 
9:25 PM
@Machavity The terrarium deteriorated when the auto raining device stopped service. We've got very chalky water here and the nozzles will choke quickly. I didn't manage to fix that right in time for laziness or whatever :/
 
Could anyone remove this for me? I posted the parent Q by mistake: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/32807489#32807489
 
Now I'm left with chirping house crickets all over ...
 
1 message moved to Trash
@FirstStep welcome to trash
@TinyGiant hahaha
 
@πάνταῥεῖ If I have said it once I have said it a thousand times. "Gecko's deserve bottle spring water for their automated rain device. Plus it won't clog your nozzles."
 
@Tunaki Thanks
TANKS YEW VARY MASH
 
9:27 PM
First time I'm thanked for inviting to Trash. I might do that more often.
 
@Drew I've even got a device to make osmotic water, I'm just a frickin' ignorant idiot .
 
I went yesterday and inspected this bike http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/mcy/5752113824.html
BEAUTi F* FUL Bike.... not enough badget :(
 
@Drew I'll start a 2nd try after repairing all that stuff. I'll take my time for that.
 
@Drew I also ever considered to keep house geckos running free in my flat. Might resolve my house cricket problem ;)
@Machavity gone
 
ops, that was an accident... all thezz buttons
 
You need to live by the Button Pusher title :)
 
@PetterFriberg So you really meant wrecked train? :P
 
9:47 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ this may be off-topic for this room, but how long is a gecko's tongue. You can give centimeters. I will google translate.
ie: how close to a cricket do they need to get
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis Can you review this one? stackoverflow.com/q/39448809/1743880 Closed as dupe, was reopened, I disagree strongly.
I also commented another potential.
 
@Drew They are quick hunters as I observed so far. Crickets usually have no chance to escape ;)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ hopefully your music works here
 
@Drew The ones with the sticky tongues are chameleons actually (another kind of pet I'd like to have)
@Drew Fragments is a good piece :)
@Drew I followed Jarrod
 
@Sotirios I am getting tired of this stackoverflow.com/q/39447451/1743880. How is that not a dupe?!
 
10:06 PM
@Drew I just want to state that I'm appreciating conversing with you very much. You enchant my evenings right now man.
 
ditto bro. Listening to your music now
 
but about to go back to some of that @FirstStep Summer Paradise stuff. I like the first 17 minutes of it. Not the rest mostly
 
@Drew Cool cool cool. Cheers
 
@Drew @FirstStep evolved quickly. They're a useful member and brave guy mostly.
@FirstStep :)
 
10:13 PM
ah he is one of your c++ minions
 
@FirstStep We had our talks.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ yup, the tin sound got the whole class pinged lol
 
probably a poor choice of words !
 
Learning the "Rod-Cutting" algorithm
 
10:15 PM
@Drew Am I the Despicable Me? I'm not a nice guy right, but we'll see ;)
 
I meant me calling FirstStep a minion
 
@Drew I was aware of that actually :)
 
OK that's it. I'm out of dupes. Really no reason to bother currently.
 
Well guess who got #1 on SO this week :P
 
@Queen opt-out [java]
 
10:17 PM
@Tunaki Ok, duplicate notification in this room for the tag have been removed
 
@Tunaki So what's that message is good for?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ which message?
 
@Tunaki The referred one
 
Not sure which one you're talking about. But I'm out anyway, cya
 
cya Tuna, sleep well
 
10:20 PM
@Tunaki N8 cya
@FirstStep 2nd try to invite you.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I guess I am in
chatting with a bot
 
@JarrodRoberson let's not target that guy. He is teetering on a ban
 
@Tunaki I'm getting on a plane right now, I'll check tomorrow
:)
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis \o/
 
10:40 PM
if a mod could look at the bad questions from that user above Jarrod had a few on, and close them. The guy willingly deleted a question 30 minutes ago. thx
 
11:01 PM
^ op basically says so
 
11:32 PM
What should I use as canonical duplicate, when all questions have pretty low views (<1k) and all answers have +/- the same value/quality. Which one should I choose then? The oldest one?
 
@Rizier123 If you're able to hammer use any of them, it probably doesn't matter. May be decorate with a comment showing our search results.
 
JAL has started reviewing!
 

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