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1:00 PM
Regardless of how strict we are with it, some people will always see us as voting mob
 
Exactly, let's not give them any argument
 
closing question ok not on user, but spam and abuse seems really user related (and the info about user is very important)
 
This answer popped up in VLQ. It's got a lot of meta content that is irrelevant. But I'm not sure that the remaining content is enough to be an answer. Do you think I should edit it or just recommend delete for "this is a comment"?
 
@PetterFriberg This is our own policy to counter-balance our own power
 
@ryanyuyu This is an answer IMO. I'd edit it.
 
1:01 PM
@ryanyuyu This is an answer even without the meta trash, I suppose we should edit that out
 
Ok so just editing it should be sufficient?
 
@ryanyuyu do you want do or should I?
Do leave a comment too when you do
 
@PetterFriberg 6 spam flags are enough to utterly destroy a post and slash a hundred rep from a user. This is not something we can do lightly, so we make sure to only inflict such punishment on literally worthless users (no meaningful contribution whatsoever)
 
@Magisch I got in in review
 
actually
If I was posting a spam
I'd want myself to get some punishment for that
 
1:03 PM
@Kyll Exactly, so we need to evaluate the user and any info on them are important (to avoid abusive and spam flag)
 
If you want punishment you may want to ask Tunaki and his whips
 
@ryanyuyu Looks like enough of an answer to me.
 
thanks all. I'm going to leave a warning comment for the answerer.
 
@Magisch Thing is, it's very weird that we can decide as a room who gets a 100 rep penalty or not. It's not something that was planned by the system, and it's something we can and should definitely be held responsible for. That's why we have tools like Smokey to keep track publicly of what we do, and that's why we have strong policies to try and avoid committing mistakes.
@PetterFriberg Yeah... It's kind of a weird exception as per my above message.
 
Sam
Same mention of that "chris".
 
1:08 PM
I think that RO's should consider user discussion as valid when spam and abusive discussion are made (both for flagging as for avoid flagging), hence it is not the same as for closing (that are not user related).
 
rude?
 
Same troll as before. Nuke.
 
Sam
Yep
 
There was no way to edit that post to have some meaningful content
 
Sam
@PetterFriberg Sadly there's a fair amount of controversy over that whole user/content thing. And then we have meta breathing down our necks...
 
1:09 PM
Yeah. I tried. But gave up and flagged as abusive.
 
@Tunaki Don't, it's the same troll
 
@Sam all discussion I have seen when flagging specially abusive (but also link in punctation) is related to user
often you can not flag without considering the user
 
Why? I just flag the post and move on.
 
I take a minimalist approach to red flags
if its spam, I flag spam. If its abusive, I flag abusive. The history of the user is of no concern to me mostly
 
and specially me lately if user have reasonable other posts I do not flag and think that abusive or spam flags are not correct, you should raise custom mod flag
 
1:12 PM
only in borderline cases, where if they have a history of decent contributions, I will often look past initial mistakes
 
@Magisch Thats wrong, see Shog9 discussion ecc.
 
Sam
@PetterFriberg I'm not saying I agree (or disagree) with the current "no talking about users" policy.
 
I agree when talking about legit
 
Sam
I'm only airing possible areas for concern.
 
even the link punctuation spam, the meta answer say that if user other posts, edit it out!
or if answer is good
 
1:14 PM
If someone is blatantly spamming, I'll spamflag their post
Jon skeet or JohnnyMcSpammySpam from 10 minutes ago
 
@PraveenKumar last time I checked you weren't on the RO list. So I assume your no should be read as I don't think the rule should apply but let the RO's have the final word.
 
Power Play by Flower
 
@rene Yes!
Flower Play is not good rene... :'( You scared a kitten. It won't play now. :(
 
@PraveenKumar You meant "Yes I checked the last time I checked and you are correct my lord"
 
@Sam I don't think there should be any in this room. Politically, we have to check who we spam flag if we don't want to be perceived as evil butts.
 
1:17 PM
@Tunaki Yea, I write one word and all the ROs fill the next sentence and change the whole meaning! :P
 
@PraveenKumar Your two byte word is so polymorph!
 
Honestly I also think for the best of this room, spam or abusive flagging user with reasonable other post should not be our policy, but that is mod business.
 
Sam
@Kyll I beg to differ. I know a couple of users who share varying opinion of the matter.
 
I don't think meta will ever get off our necks
so let them moan
as long as we're not violating SO policy
 
@kayess That was 4 byte. Yes!
 
1:19 PM
@Sam do these people think we are evil butts no matter what we do?
 
Sam
@cimmanon No. Quite the contrary.
 
@cimmanon Esentially, yes.
 
@PraveenKumar that is a win-win situation
 
@rene Teach me as well. :D
 
Sam
One party believes we should be free to discuss users, the other believes the opposite.
 
1:20 PM
I wanna evolve into a senior kitten.
 
@Sam Inscribe that to the next meeting?
 
@Sam Republicans:(
 
@Magisch yes, I'm half reading the transcript and trying to catch up. Power Play is my first defense.
 
@Sam Democraticians:(
 
@Sam I actually think we should be able to discuss spammers (people who post spam or garbage) for purpose of evaluating how to deal with it
 
1:21 PM
@BhargavRao an R is in the hive
 
but not legit users
 
@Sam This is not what I'm saying, I'm saying before we spam or abusive nuke posts we need to consider user, if he has rep lets just raise a custom mod flag. (this means giving user info on sd reports in chat)
 
Sam
So many pings.
 
Because discussing someone without them being able to defend themselfes can easily feel like you're being bullied
 
@Sam I never said goodnite last nite
 
1:22 PM
And we don't want to bully people (at least I don't want to)
 
@rene First? Did you ever need another one?
 
well at least that's clearly abusive
 
@Tushar Ha ha ha ....
 
and tell me why? : )... the rule user 1 rep point is the answer....
 
@Tunaki and true
 
Sam
1:22 PM
@Drew :)
 
Flower play
comes after Power play
 
Is that question broad?
 
And involves more petals and more pollen
 
@Magisch Your eyes are really beautiful. :)
 
@Magisch And chainsaws and stuff...
 
1:27 PM
Magisch flies away
@kayess You scared her him.
 
@Tushar Wondering why:( rene isn't that scary though...
 
:D
 
rene doesn't need a chainsaw to be scary... its mere presence makes you shiver.
 
a rose has thorns, a rene has close votes
 
the bluriness of the flower hides the evil
 
1:31 PM
@Tunaki if the flower had been unblurred, all who gazed upon it would have die of brain hemorrhage.
 
Official note about spam accounts: If you, ​on your own, want to investigate a user for potential spam, that is fine. Do Not post links of user accounts here for other members to investigate for you, spam or otherwise.
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The bad thing is: we are discussing a user not his posts :PP
 
epic fail
you will do it gunr
 
the hell?
 
I'm behind you
 
1:33 PM
I believe in gunr and his formatting skills
 
slack format != so format
 
underscores are still italics
 
star, use the star!
wat?
 
btw I approve of using _ over *.
 
whatever, gave up
 
1:33 PM
gunr broke chat.
 
or did chat break gunr?
 
after breaking math, gunr broke chat...
 
Well that was rude
 
@NathanOliver Tunakis line above you?
 
@Mogsdad @Drew actually, I have it right. The invalidation was due the votes expiring
 
1:35 PM
The sd post
 
Remember people: Users that had the habit to pick a single profile and go over their posts, flagging, voting, deleting, commenting have been suspended before. I don't want anyone from this room to be suspended or run the risk of being suspended. That is the sole reason the rule: vote on the post not on the user exist. And that is why I don't want to see user links here but only post links. Only exception is Smokeys allspam command where you still flag single posts.
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@rene can we post a url to someone we like, like the one I did last nite for matthias?
 
I hate myself ....
 
I would say no @Drew
 
That ^ or at least keep it to a minimum to prevent being mis-interpreted
 
1:44 PM
afk for a bit
 
maybe we can represent their userid in octal
 
@Drew not even hex?
 
maybe base 5
 
binary
 
Yeah, just make fun of me and my stupid rules ...
 
1:49 PM
my favorite user, in octal. 1453
 
@Drew That's me, thanks Drew
 
What crap is that?
 
@Drew The only person I can bear, in octal: 235820
 
JAL
New record, -1 in 44 seconds
 
that's not octal
 
1:53 PM
@Kyll You're on waffle duty. The octal numering scheme is banned as per the Rene convention.
 
@AndrasDeak :D
 
@Kyll 8 and 9 are not valid octal digits :P
 
@Tunaki Waffle eating duty, I'm coming!
 
This is the best user: 50C10E
 
@Adriaan I'm not so sure about that. If they want a standard matlab way and not a 3rd party utility then I tink that would be on topic.
 
1:56 PM
Adriaan is allergic to PCA questions
 
@NathanOliver until he shows any code it reads as "Give me a function to do this"
 
he's worried that OP will ask a silly MATLAB PCA question:P
 
@Adriaan So something like "I need standard container that can access any element but is sorted" OT then?
 
@rene hopefully learning the hard way won't be required if that rule isn't followed :p
 
@NathanOliver no MCVE/TB fits as well yes
 
1:58 PM
no, it's not a debugging question
 
@AndrasDeak only if I can't hammer them to my PCA answer ;P
 
@rene Heh, we make fun of all the things but I don't think the idea to disobey them will caress anyone's mind =D
 
I personally find it unclear (but I don't know R at all)
@Kyll maybe it @Kyll @kayess someone's TheLostMind
 
That's a good thing @Andras.
 
@AndrasDeak Roger.
 
2:00 PM
edited
it should make more sense now
 
@NathanOliver I think it's too broad. It could be narrowed by focusing on a single external dependency & a single CMS / VCS.
 
@Mogsdad That the way UI was leaning. I dropped a cv and I'll let the C++ group and CV queue deal with it.
 
@NathanOliver I'm adding a comment, but yeah, leave it to the normal process otherwsie.
 
Thanks
 
2:14 PM
Yeah I wanted to bug report that @Nathan but don't have the time right now. Do you want to?
 
I can if you want. You found it so I was leaving it to you.
@Mogsdad Nice comment
 
@NathanOliver I left out the part that said, "On my project we have a 200 page document describing this."
 
lol. Yeah, project management is not a little topic
 
@NathanOliver Feel free to draw circles
I'll downvote it because you stole my Meta.
 
@Tunaki Flag it as duplicate.
 
2:27 PM
@Tunaki Okay
f?
 
The definition of insanity: Waiting for a package to arrive, with an ETA of "This work day".
I'm about ready to punch something.
 
@Cerbrus Write a complaint on their meta site :p
 
I'll the courier.
 
lol
 
2:34 PM
@Mogsdad out of cv?
 
:( yes
That was the last of a pile of questions I was triaging.
 
@Mogsdad I have sent it to the que
 
Thanks!
 
@NathanOliver *authour -> author
quick before the Copy Editor sees it
 
2:41 PM
Fixed
 
Mortensen is slow today
 
@NathanOliver I didn't point out the error here, earlier, figured you'd see it.
 
no I didn't. The UI right?
 
How do we close this? It's pure mathematics, but too LQ to send over
 
@Adriaan Off topic / other, "It's pure mathematics, but too LQ to send over"?
 
2:51 PM
@Mogsdad sounds like a plan. Will do
 
JAL
Blatant plagiarism from here. Mod flag?
 
@JAL yes
 
@Tushar... one commenter, right?
 
sorry, what
 
@JAL A more constructive comment: "You should provide attribution for content in your post. This appears to have come from [here](linkylinklink)."
 
2:54 PM
The room has a policy of letting only one person comment on an answer or question that comes up here
to avoid pile-on issues
 
^^^ that
 
> The views an opinions expressed in the code block is that of the original author and do not reflect the views and opinions of this C++ programmer.
^ :(
 
@JAL Still flag it, though. Sometimes the author updates their post, and everyone wins.
 
@Mogsdad That is too much for that. His entire answer is the copied material.
 
It's never wrong to be nice, though. (And stab them with the Mod flag! And a downvote!)
 
JAL
2:55 PM
@Mogsdad You're right, but it looks like a blatant copy paste to get the bounty. I don't really have any respect for that
Even after the OP self-answered and accepted their answer
 
@Mogsdad Yes we should be nice. I'm just not holding my breath since the plagiarized an entire article.
 
Et tu, @Adriaan?
Waiting to see if Nathan gets the remaining typo, before the red line catches him. Nope, s/the/they/. \o/
 
@Mogsdad this is what happens when you try to be nice
 
@Mogsdad can't edit any longer. *he no the
afk for coffee
 
@Mogsdad wot?
 
3:01 PM
@Tushar Free flags!
6 mins ago, by TylerH
The room has a policy of letting only one person comment on an answer or question that comes up here
 
ok
 
@Mogsdad ah right. I did answer the OP of the question though. I'll refrain from doing so in the future.
 
If someone has already commented on a post, and you feel that more needs to be said, or want to give other feedback, share it in here, so that they can remain the point person.
 
JAL
Sorry @Mogsdad, accidentally invited you to chat. Just ignore
Fat fingered on my phone
 
@JAL Hiya! You prompted me in a comment to join this room, how can I help out?
 
3:10 PM
@JAL Ok.
 
JAL
@Serlite hey welcome! I noticed you are a dedicated reviewer and was wondering if you would like to be a part of our group review efforts
 
Hiya all
Oh hello @Serlite
 
Plop
 
P/op @Kyll
 
Plop and welcome Serlite, there's waffles all over the place if you're hungry =D
 
3:13 PM
Sure @JAL! It seems like it could be a better use of my time than always going through the default review queue, which doesn't feel like it does a lot of good. =P
 
@Serlite part of it yesterday was noticing that the tags you are good at seem to lack close support
 
@JAL fair warning, those types of comments left on main can get a person in trouble
 
@gunr2171 what comment?
 
Ah...yes, the Unity3D tag is kinda terrible. Bad questions get a couple desultory close votes...and then get pushed off the page by more bad questions.
 
JAL
@gunr2171 Removed, I'll be careful but I wanted to try and recruit
I'll take the heat if I get yelled at
 
3:16 PM
ok, thanks.
 
Oh the comment you left to get Serelite in the chat room.
I don't see a problem in asking a user to join chat, @gunr2171
 
JAL
@Serlite Yes absolutely! We're currently working on on the tag, but you can also ask to close blatantly off-topic questions on low activity tags
 
@AshishAhujaツ It's spam. It is an unsolicited request.
 
@AshishAhujaツ it pollutes the comments section. Plus, there is already a feature of chat to invite someone to join a chat room.
 
JAL
@Serlite you can read up on our policies here: github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/SOCVR-RoomInformation
But you seemed dedicated and wanted to let you know that you are not alone!
 
3:17 PM
Oh okay. I didn't know about that.
 
JAL
Yeah it wasn't the best move, inviting to chat would have been better. I'll do that next time
 
inviting to chat has about a 10% success rate
on good days
 
Aaah...that explains the loads of priority-related questions I've been running into in close vote review. I guess the burninate request is in full swing.
 
That would explain it yes :)
Hello @Serlite
 
JAL
@Serlite @Drew also has a campaigns room where power users can take on evaluating questions on a specific tag for closure. He's provides spreadsheets of questions to evaluate, and users can go in a close them if they warrant closure, or reopen/keep them open if they have been salvaged.
 
3:20 PM
@Serlite Hi and welcome
 
Hi, everyone! I'll do my best to help out. =D
 
Welcome to the chat @Serlite.
Do you think that this is good or bad?
I'm kind of confused here ;p
 
the cv-pls script seem to work now : ) (I have already sent that request just trying it out)
@AshishAhujaツ seems POB
 
Sam
afk
 
@PetterFriberg I don't think so. It is asking for a fact. POB questions are those which are without facts, and the answer will differe from person to person.
 
3:28 PM
 
Here the answer is going to be the same
as there is a fact
 
@AshishAhujaツ seems really hard that it can be an exact number : ), so any answer will be "That the answer is POB which is best"
 
@PetterFriberg Okay then.
 
When someone asks, "Does anyone know how...", do they really mean "How do I?" Or do you think they just want answers like, "Yes, I'm sure someone does know. Thanks for asking."?
 
Anyone see any edit possibility/typo in my A here please?
 
3:31 PM
@AshishAhujaツ maybe if one remove good from this "good real-time operating systems", but that would change the intention of the OP, however you vote as you like : )
 
@kayess Magic Editor says: 0.
 
@PetterFriberg I agree with you. Flagged as POB. That "good OS" part didn't strike me at first.
 
@Mogsdad Thank you:)
 
@kayess I read it over, it's clear. Good luck!
 
Yep, clear and nice.
 
3:33 PM
Thanks again!
 
@kayess I don't like the first line (never be on defensive!!), but the rest is great!
 
@Yam looks worth reopening.
 
@PetterFriberg Removed!
 
Yeah like that kickass right in the beginning!
 
@AshishAhujaツ still lacking JS code where AJAX calls are made
 
3:35 PM
Ok, Good night ppl!
 
@Tushar pass a comment...
 
Good night
 
@Tushar Oh okay. I don't know JS and Ajax, so I thought that the code was everything. :(
 
@kayess cya
 
3:36 PM
@PetterFriberg on it done.
 
Night @kayess
@Tushar I'm from Bangalore,India.
You're from Pune right?
 
yes.
 
How's the drought situation there?
 
No drought here in Pune city, you're watching IPL/news?
 
I don't think this is spam.
 
3:41 PM
dinner time, bye
 
No its not. I wonder if we should ask charcoal to white list that link if it is at the end of an answer.
Bye
 
@AshishAhujaツ you are correct it is not a false positive
 
@Tushar yup. IPL is going to be cancelled there right?
Polp @NathanOliver
 
@NathanOliver Have you seen it before?
 
@AshishAhujaツ lOl
 
3:43 PM
@PetterFriberg The xy problem site?
 
@Tushar What does that mean?
 
@TylerH I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
@AshishAhujaツ No, matches are going on here, in fact tommorow is match in Pune
@AshishAhujaツ He was saying bye to me
 
@NathanOliver yeah, seems like first time to me? (worth the effort to whitelist?)
 
CYA
 
3:44 PM
CYA
 
@PetterFriberg Yeah I have seen it multiple times in comments. It looks like it is 50 answers on the site: stackoverflow.com/search?q=url%3Axyproblem.info
 
ok I do a request
 
Cool. Thanks
 
@NathanOliver Its only triggered from 1rep user, short answer and link at end, the regex with negative search "are not friendly", so I guess they will not white list certain links in the "link at end" case.
 
3:52 PM
No problem. I wasn't sure exactly how it works.
 
me neither : ), but now we know
 
Yeah regex just looks like gobbledygook to me. I haven't played with it at all.
 
regexes are awesome until you have to maintain one
5
 
Night
Cya tomorrow.
 
3:58 PM
Bye
 
Good night!
 
Hiya @Undo
 
@Tunaki the charcoal link triggered an automatic Undo comment
must be some strange regex
 
4:13 PM
I'm back for just one last thing.
This xy problem is really irritating me.
I cam across this while reviewing.
I'm going to sleep now, just thought will inform you that it is being posted repetitively. Even sd reported one some time ago.
Night
 
Sam
wb!
 
@AshishAhujaツ it is a comment, at best
 
Sam
Annnnd cya
 
@AshishAhujaツ Isn't that the same one?
 
Sam
4:16 PM
@Yam stats
 
Yam
I'm currently watching 295 posts.
 
@stats Yam
295 posts are currently watching you
 
waffle served
 
JAL
thanks rene
 
4:20 PM
I could go for some waffle house righ tnow
 
JAL
4:38 PM
Holy...
Flagged a post as NAA, it was edited and accepted. Was preparing for a declined flag when suddenly:
> helpful - You were right, but the post has been improved and is now an attempt to answer.
praise the SO Mod gods \o\ /o/
 
Sam
:o
 
they do not want anymore meta : )
 
JAL
lol
Or they got the $20 I slipped them / scooby snacks :)
 
send the account number to me as well : )
commuting home cya!
 
Sam
4:43 PM
Cya
 
@JAL Someone... fixed an answer? Without blackmail or threats to their family?
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He he I answered a 100K users question (and edit to) : ), it was an old one but feels nice anyway : )
 
Sam
:)
 
now I'm going.. : )
 
Bye
Wow it even has an answer.
 
JAL
4:52 PM
the answer is broken, the user even wrote "code not tested"
funny thing is, I interacted with that user yesterday: reddit.com/r/jailbreakdevelopers/comments/4glse1/…
I can answer that question but I know I shouldn't
 
@MartinJames they might have seen some of your SO slave comments....
 
JAL
since I was the one who wrote the original swift code
 
@rene lol..
 
Hey people
Im at home now
 
Sam
Hiya
 
4:57 PM
@Magisch OK, what is for dinner?
 
We managed to fix the network outage
i got home like 10 minutes ago
but the good part is
 
Sam
What was the prob?
 
because we found a way to fix it quickly without calling in the on vacation guy (which is prohibitively expensive) all of us in IT got 5 free days PTO as gift :D
a very specific fiber <-> lan switch was throwing a fit
we replaced it
 
Sam
:D
Nice
 
 
Sam
4:59 PM
lol
 

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