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6:00 PM
@NathanOliver OP could have edited it during the grace period but after JAL flagged it?
it's already been edited out by answerer during grace period I believe
but I dunno the command
 
@WaiHaLee I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
and now the q is gone...
 
@TylerH OP deleted.
@TylerH No sure. It was answered at 15:21:42 and it was either flagged or entered the review queue at 15:38:33.
 
^ seems legit
 
6:04 PM
@NathanOliver User removed from blacklist (5326726 on stackoverflow.com).
 
@NathanOliver yeah, I saw
 
6:22 PM
Charcoal HQ has decided to stop posting some reports into SOCVR due to the latest incident. This is a wake-up call for everyone here. SmokeDetector is not a game and more professionalism is expected from the members here. I sincerely hope this will be the last.
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What incident was this?
 
Start reading somewhere from here chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/29817033#29817033. There was a test and we failed.
 
@Tunaki Ok, so Undo reported a non-spam post to Smokey as an audit (but said Smokey post was deleted from the transcript).
 
Yes.
 
JAL
@NathanOliver @Mogsdad my flag was marked as helpful
 
6:32 PM
@JAL intresting. I wonder if a mod did something or possibly the OP did a delete-undelete in the grace period
 
JAL
Maybe, not sure. Maybe a mod will come by and take a look
 
Can you tell me when you flagged it?
 
@JAL Helpful, but still there. Hmm. My flag says "3 hours ago", same as the post. I was monitoring NATO, so that would have been within minutes of the post. @NathanOliver
 
JAL
@NathanOliver I don't think I can see that from my flags, can I? It was around 3 hours ago
@Mogsdad Yeah I think my flag was around the same time
 
@JAL Hover over where it says x hours ago.
 
6:37 PM
Ah - just hover over the time, you'll get a popup
 
JAL
oh i see. I flagged in ~2.5 hours ago
 
Can you tell me the actual time SO says?
 
<span title="2016-04-07 15:35:59Z" class="relativetime">3 hours ago</span>
 
JAL
<span title="2016-04-07 15:51:43Z" class="relativetime">2 hours ago</span>
 
Wai Ha Lee passed a audit!
 
JAL
6:39 PM
Interesting how your flag is still pending Mogs
 
@JAL Mine isn't pending, it's "helpful" too.
 
JAL
oh weird
 
Not the first time we've seen this. I think the explanation is that a Mod didn't think the flags were really warranted (e.g. answer was borderline), but since they were made in good faith, they are "helpful".
A different mod might "dispute". And some may "decline". That part seems to be inconsistent.
 
JAL
hmm
 
I thought mods could only choose helpful or decline?
 
6:44 PM
Yeah I think disputed flags are automatic results from some actions that are taken
A mod can't specifically choose "dispute" IIRC
 
What flag? Vlq flags are auto-accepted with the first agreeing review
 
@Tunaki Don't really agree that we failed it, someone flagged (1 or 2) it but we did not nuke the answer and the question got closed... That someone flags wrongly is fairly common we need to help each other.
 
JAL
Answer:
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 41 secs ago, by Undo
@JAL that's because I marked it helpful and just closed the question
Mod intervention
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 14 secs ago, by Undo
Maybe I should have deleted the answer too, but... either way the question is bad.
 
@PetterFriberg It's also a little misguided because a secret audit was an entirely new concept for Smokey. In a scientific setting, such a result would be thrown out because Smokey has never exhibited such behavior before, and when you induce a totally new event with the intention of getting a desired result from a process, you're acting in bad faith, TBH
 
Sam
@Closey Ha, I was wondering when that (grammatical) article lib would fail.
 
6:52 PM
Were there previous cases of robo flagging from Smokey? If so, tell us first, then let us know there will be audits. If not, then there's no need for a behavioral change...
what does f mean again?
 
@Tunaki Specifically what reports does Smokey not post here anymore?
 
@TylerH I do not agree on this Undo did good since he needs to understand what effects Smokey has and he has Shog on the other side, but I'm not sure thier decision is correct since post with link at end often are off-topic question that we close, I have posted a message to undo but in the end the bot is Charcoal and they need to manage (protect) it as they see fit.
 
@AlexanderO'Mara For now, "Link at end of post" report.
 
@PetterFriberg Sure, they need to understand what effects it has but I think the mechanism they chose to gather that data was wrong
 
JAL
@TylerH false positive iirc
f/fp = false positive, fpu = false positive and whitelist user iirc
@Tunaki Also I see some other messages, like manual reports and repeating characters not being sent here either
 
7:01 PM
I new fp was false positive, I didn't know it could work by just saying f, though
 
@JAL which one? On SO reports go here.
 
JAL
@Tunaki I didn't see this one in this room: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/28840068#28840068
 
Ha I thought I didn't see it either but it's there :) look 10 messages up or something
 
JAL
@Tunaki oh right, guess it's just removed
 
I guess you need a coffee also :D
 
JAL
7:09 PM
yes :)
 
@JAL Thanks
 
Hi guys, Although i have updated my question but i got 3 close votes before updating my question. I think my question should be re-open
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Q: Read and write more than 8 bit symbols in file

jamesI am trying to write a Encoded file.The file has 9 to 12 bit symbols. While writing a file i guess that it is not written correctly the 9 bit symbols because i am unable to decode that file. Although when file has only 8 bit symbols in it.Every thing works fine. This is the way i am writing a fil...

 
@james isn't that a duplicate of the one I answered?
 
@rene no sir. In my first question it was about unusual character addition. And my second question was about saving more than 8 bit symbol in file
 
@james I saw that, I gave it my re-open vote and another edit. Let's see what happens
 
7:23 PM
@rene very much thanks. :)
 
yw
 
@rene see latest updates... (only questions)
 
7:39 PM
commented
 
its double language... just a bit off topic and unclear : )
 
because OP doesn't speak good English, I assume
 
The title seems clear to me
but not the body
 
Wai Ha Lee passed an audit!
 
@JanDvorak and not this is a bit unclear why...
 
7:46 PM
@JanDvorak Just from the revisions and all different answer approaches you see how unclear the question is.
 
I don't dare... I guess
 
@Floern not really... just troll.
Oh OP's talking about someone else.
 
Yeah the one who answersed... I don't like that post...
 
Since when does jetbrains has an IDE for python: jetbrains.com/pycharm/?fromMenu :O
 
7:51 PM
but the answer is fairly rude as well... "so you don't make idiot mistakes typing them in again, wasting our time and yours... "
@Floern Conclusion I would go for custom mod flag, not attacking anyone, just showing the problem
 
Or we can just delete it right there. It has 2 del votes.
 
@Rizier123 Isn't JetBrains a Python editor?
 
@cybermonkey they didn't roll back, I'm on it.
 
@Tunaki The other answer is rude to...
 
to whom?
 
7:54 PM
@TylerH I know it only as a company making IDE's
 
@Tunaki ta
 
@cybermonkey The code was hidden because it was poorly formatted.
 
@WaiHaLee sloved the problem..
 
oh, right
 
@PetterFriberg I've 'softened' the language in the answer that upset the new poster.
 
7:57 PM
yeah I think you did good... lets LQP que delete that with no mod flags..
 
when reviewing comment flags, do the mods see deleted comments?
 
Oh, no, it was a Java editor I was thinking of
 
@cybermonkey they only see the comment. But if they go to the post (and move out of their queue), then can see deleted comments.
 
@PetterFriberg If you want to test drive the change that will take care of upper-case posts (titles & bodies), here it is. That's on my dev branch - you've been warned!
Waiting for Godot SmokeDetector.
 
@Mogsdad I'm installing, will let you know,,, : )
 
8:01 PM
@Mogsdad ever seen VLC's Android app developer/beta version warning?
 
@cybermonkey Can't say I have... funny? (link?)
 
more developers need to put stuff like that down.. amusing while informing the user that the software may be buggy
 
OMG! My kitten? Uninstall.
 
Are you happy @Mogs? You just killed Petter's kitten!!
How cruel.
 
.·´¯(>â–‚<)´¯·.
 
8:09 PM
I will eat it no problem
 
The truth is out there, as they say.
 
Wai Ha Lee passed a audit!
 
Oh I haven't reviewed today.
 
@Tunaki I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
@WaiHaLee You've reviewed 60 posts today (of which 3 were audits), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 2 hours, 13 minutes, and 52 seconds, averaging to a review every 2 minutes and 13 seconds.
Tunaki passed a audit!
 
JAL
8:19 PM
What tags are people working on?
 
I'm doing Java + dupe for now.
 
@Closey next 15 tags
 
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@rene The next 10 tags are: 27, 25, 24, 24, 23, 23, 22, 21, 21, 20
@rene The next 15 tags are: 27, 25, 24, 24, 23, 23, 22, 21, 21, 20, 20, 20, 19, 19, 19
 
A lot of those have been cleared ^
 
yeah, I know
 
JAL
8:21 PM
Alright I'll start moving down the list
 
@TylerH I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
Later guys
 
Later
 
Sam
cya
 
Tunaki passed a audit!
 
8:24 PM
sd f edited
 
hmm I believe it was and ignore : ) or del
 
@PetterFriberg You mean just remove?
 
Yeah, lets not confirm those in either way... just remove or del 'em... as far as I can see
 
TylerH passed an audit!
 
@WaiHaLee Isn't that new answer spam? Check domain and username.
 
8:28 PM
@AlexanderO'Mara hmm - didn't spot that. I flagged it VLQ.
 
@WaiHaLee I guess Undo thought so.
 
Aha. I should be more vigilant. Good catch.
 
Tunaki passed an audit!
 
@Floern not sure it's VLQ.
 
@Tuna we go for f or remove?, lets have simple rules at least here...
 
8:35 PM
@rene I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
I'll keep fing that. Safe choice.
 
Tunaki passed a audit!
Tunaki passed a audit!
 
@Closey what? blasphemy! That's no haskell question, it's negatively scored!
 
@Tunaki You've reviewed 60 posts today (of which 6 were audits), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 29 minutes and 22 seconds, averaging to a review every 29 seconds.
@JAL I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
Sam
night guys
 
JAL
8:44 PM
later Sam
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[tags] [e-commerce] [meteor]"
 
JAL passed a audit!
 
@closey opt-in
 
@CindyMeister You are already opted-in to tracking, and have been in this state for 1 day, 8 hours, 26 minutes, and 22 seconds. You may switch your preference by running opt out.
 
Closey isn't precise enough. She should go down to the millisecond.
 
8:49 PM
Wake up Sam by pinging him : )
 
@PetterFriberg I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
Hmm, you have adopted gunr's style of smiley. Not good Petter, not good.
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JAL
> You have no more close votes today; come back in 3 hours.
 
@CindyMeister I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
Petter Friberg passed a audit!
 
@Tunaki I have alyways done like that since I hate emotion icons... but ok I proud of copying Gunr...
 
8:53 PM
I only have 5 starred messages on the board out of the 10... Hmmmm. I need to do better than that.
Or I could abuse my powers and remove all the stars.
 
waiting to see if you can remove Undo's ; )
 
: p
 
rene passed a audit!
rene passed a audit!
 
9:25 PM
I'm out, don't wreck the place while I'm gone ....
 
We wouldn't do that :P
 
night
 
Time to party!, good night rene
 
I'm out as well. Don't start the party without me...
 
@Mogsdad I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
9:31 PM
I thought those sticks-in-the-mud would never leave! I've lit up the disco ball!
 
we have a ripe Java batch of 25 questions (23 one more vote) in the beehive
 
I'm out just a couple left that I will let age away : )
 
@CindyMeister are you around for a little Java action?
 
@Tunaki you are privileged now : )
 
@Drew First 7 done, and I'm out of votes (for a few hours...)
 
9:44 PM
thx Mogzie
 
There's a bunch of 3's & 4's in the cv-pls pile.
In the queue today, I had a large percentage of 4's. Something like 2/3 of my votes closed questions. Weird, but nice.
@Closey reviews today
 
@Mogsdad You've reviewed 20 posts today. The time between your first and last review today was 10 minutes and 35 seconds, averaging to a review every 31 seconds.
 
Sounds right. I'm sledding home now.
 
@ryanyuyu thx
 
@Drew no problem. It's a lot easier to be motivated to close stuff that's already close to being closed.
 
9:54 PM
in that case what's your cell phone number :p
 
haha
 
 
1 hour later…
11:03 PM
@Reimeus @cricket_007 batch222 count=12 cv4 is in the beehive
more to follow
 
11:19 PM
stackoverflow.com/q/36488666/3933332 Sometimes I feel like some questions just need some more time and we shouldn't rush with making assumptions.
 
11:38 PM
@Rizier123 do you know the review the reviews screen kinda well?
The one where you see the close vote history of others stackoverflow.com/review/close/history?page=2
 
What's with that? I don't think I can follow you what you mean.
 
Is it by design or a bug, that when you click on say (a guy's) Close link, that you get different results depending on whether or not you have close votes remaining yourself
I always thought it forced you into a review (if you had votes left). But if you don't, it exposes how they voted.
Which to me, no big deal, transparency, but what if they age away?
Why would they show that?
 
Rob
What do you mean, exactly by someone's close link?
 
I never clicked on a link on that page while I have no votes left, but if you have some left then you have to review it before you see how the other voted.
 
Right Riz. And because normally I never have votes left until literally 1 minute before (except in the last 2 days), I never had that issue
And I tend never to go to that screen. But it is now a driver for a few initiatives
Thx to the Timeline fiasco
So I don't know if I am being dumb, or if a mod need to know about it
 
11:45 PM
what's with the Russians today?
 
you mean something we should check CNN about, or what
 
no, just the newest Smokey report:D
second Russian question today
 
@Drew It could be bydesign but maybe also not :P I would guess it is half way unintentional but better than don't seeing anything.
 
you say that and I instantly think about the russian java guy @PetterFriberg knows. Were is that guy that can close
 
11:48 PM
mods: just saying, not pinging, I drop the issue. Not using the info anyway
Just seems weird
 
I hope one of them will see it at least
 
stackoverflow.com/q/36488927/3933332 Searching a haystack in a needle I guess is pretty simple :P
 
It's not even an issue. You said you could not review the reviews a few days or weeks ago under 10k
 
that's right
we plebeians only see our own reviews
 
To me it is a bug or wrong. Blind voting. If I am forced into a review without a cheat sheet (which is good) ... then why do I suddenly have info leak if I blew thru my votes by 0010 UTC ?
 
Rob
11:52 PM
I would suppose it's because it doesn't matter if you don't have close votes
 
dunno
 
Rob
I mean, it matters in the case where you're storing results, but for regular reviewers, it's more helpful to see the outcome of the review
Without having close votes available, it would be impossible
 
@Drew You see it, because you can't vote on it and until the next day your brain memory will be flush();'ed :P
 
you can only gather diverse info if you're skipping, right? but then you can't revisit the post later
 
no Rob cuz like 10 min later ya got 100 votes again (hint Bluefeet we need 100 not 60) :p
No but like 10 min later you can go blind again after info leak
why?
 
11:53 PM
still dunno:)
probably a bug
 
it's a bug
 
I don't think many people have noticed it
and if they have, I don't think SO finds this a deal big enough to touch it
 
Rob
I think it's by design, honestly
But maybe they didn't consider this edge case
I don't really think it's a problem anyway.. if someone's dilligent enough to preview the reviews before the votes reset
It's unlikely they're making bad reviews anyway :)
 
it is not actionable info. It is 10k only
 
btw @Drew I believe this explains a lot of our problems with the CVQ
 
11:55 PM
I will have to read that when I have time
 
Just as a note: If you are going to write a meta post about it, don't forget the red freehand circles.
 
just a comment by Shog
 
It has been on my mind. Thx @AndrasDeak
 
the post itself is interesting too, mind you
but my reference was to Shog's reply to my comment from today
 
It really hasn't been on my mind too much. On my mind would be we have a Drone Army that needs to be steered.
 
11:56 PM
:D
and use that Drone Army to tranquilize stupid askers, right?
 
A huge Tupperware party with 7 girls in it. Much fanfare.
 
your references always elude me
 
Build it and they will come. Got that one?
Field of Dreams.
 
yup, but never seen it
I know the context though
 
Well we built it. The stands are empty.
 
11:59 PM
:)
any minute now
 

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