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12:00 AM
as I said I did not dig deeper, but IMHO any improvement made by users not just robot hunting for +2 , but maybe not aware of what all should be improved would be worth to inform them not to frustrate them (not talking about rep hunters)
 
That's the thing, you don't know they aren't robot editing for the +2. And when you have 10 edits only fixing spaces, there is a doubt.
 
I agree, but take (nearly) anyone of us, the edits are rarely perfect and complete, there are often things which need to fixed too, maybe we did not know it, have been in hurry (emergency edit), lack in English or context, tag knowledge, whatever, ... I agree with educating and punishing robots, but not in frustrating users just learning about.
 
bummi I don't know if we are talking about generalities or this particular case. If the latter (or just about anytime) we try to get them here and let them know what to expect so the frustration ends asap. In his case, he went from "can't speak in chat" to able to because we are trying to support him.
And Tuna gave him links prior in the transcript.
 
So, where is the Guan?
 
I appreciate that. Maybe I'm getting old and mild, but I've feeling the wind got rough here in the last weeks ...
 
Sam
12:16 AM
@gunr2171 In a land far far away...
 
drats, had an arch linux question for him
 
If you think we are being too rough then that is cool. It will be taken to heart. There is a lot of kindness going on behind the scenes that people might not be aware of.
 
Sam
@gunr2171 Could try pinging him?
 
@Drew maybe, and I hope so :)
 
he's not online, don't want to bother him
 
Sam
12:20 AM
meh
Night
 
cya
 
12:41 AM
Plop!
@gunr2171 I'm here.
Really? I've turned off my VPN, other tools, and etc. However, I can't access to Google, Google Drive (and etc.) anymore, but I can still access to Gmail! Is Gmail unblocked in China?
 
1:18 AM
Hi
 
Hello
 
Just Discoverd Stackoverflow chat, its pretty emptey
 
@SpikyCat empty?
 
Theres only like 32 Users Here and 4 rooms
 
its the weekend
 
1:23 AM
Mhmm ... what's your interest in a chat room? This one is one focused on moderation
 
Nvm, the whole chat system doesn't seem really dedicated to the specific thing i was looking for
 
You can make up your own room if you like to, what would be your topic?
 
what are you looking for spiky
 
Wow that was stupid, i was only looking in the "Event" instead of the "all" section...
My bad.
 
we were all just hiding on you
and hello, welcome to SOCVR
 
1:27 AM
Is there a certian REP needed to create your own chat room?
 
100?
 
Oh.
Well thanks everyone,later.
 
@gunr2171 Yes, 100.
 
yep, 100
cya!
 
just for interest was there a min age for participation on SE sites?
 
1:33 AM
13, no idea if that is "official" or even enforced
 
ah yes
 
sad :(
 
@bummi don't ask, don't tell. Oh wait, wrong policy.
 
wrong policy ... give me hope
I hate me for being investiging
 
1:46 AM
: )
 
2:01 AM
cricket if you show up ping me
 
user3956566
2:12 AM
Anyone know it this is on topic‌​?
 
user3956566
@Drew let me know if you have a list for me :D
 
user3956566
oh and Hi all
 
yeah but I am out recruiting :P
 
user3956566
no worries, I'm only here for a bit, I'll be back later
 
Let me know if that is old enough for someone less than 20k can delvote on
At midnite all hell seems to break out, today no different, and my votes always go unused
 
2:35 AM
@Drew Yo
 
Hi ya cricket how goes the battle ?
 
Currently watching USA Republican debates. Done answering people's questions for the day
Sorry, but I just say this post. Haha. What is this character? ด้้้้้็็็็็้้้้้็็็็็้้้้้้้้็็็็็้้้้้็็็็็้้้้้้้้็็็็็้้้้้็็็็็
 
that zeta zeldo thing don't know. Fun though.
 
Saw*
 
So here is my spiel. You answer well and are conscientious. I just don't want you to spin your wheels to much out there. I can tell from your commenting and formatting that you can do well. Just think it is steer at the wrong peeps at the moment. For instance a quick scan of your last recipients of Answers were around and average of 10 rep. I can go on for an hour why that is a bad idea unless you want to be Gandhi. Trust me you don't want to be Gandhi unless that is really your thing.
Just a quick opinion. Others have theirs. No gospel here.
Anyway, that is a bit related to why I pinged you here. You can help us, we can help you. First, how you can help us. (1) Learn about and use close voting and work with this group if you want. Well that's about the gist of it. You might pick up on why some questions shouldn't be answered, like the question Jarrod closed and I remembered your name on.
 
2:47 AM
I frequently seem to answer to people with low rep. I don't think they understand the up vote / accepting system. I blame that for the low average, really
 
It is not that that one is so much an issue, but related to why you many stumble into some of us that are all too happy to close it and move on. We have 1m Java questions and some should just be closed.
Next, how we can help you.
 
I gotcha. Honestly I just like helping people, so the rep isn't too important, so I'll often give them huge pointers just in the comments
 
(1) Target good questions to answer (2) Ask us for advice on strategies (3) Save you time and make the grind more enjoyable. A lot more ... ROI . That sort of stuff.
You work hard at the answers and comments. It doesn't go unnoticed.
So as long as you are enjoying it and know what is going on behind the scenes when stuff gets closed.
And why some OPs just poof vanish.
 
Hehe :) Thanks. I'm modest, though so as long as people are learning when I explain their problems, I'm satisfied. I do appreciate the invite and I'll be active here when I can
 
Sounds good. Thanks for stopping by.
 
2:57 AM
Welcome. Is there any way to like be notified and stuff in this room? Or do people just have a separate tab open? Also, any posting rules I should be reading?
 
Basically we come and go. We have certain tags we try to clean as a group and bot spew things out like
@closey next 5 tags
assuming that bot is around
People download tampermonkey or greasemonkey and install a JS userscript (if they want) and when they stumble into questions can post close vote requests to this room automatically with little effort
Those requests get glommed together and we work them showing the current close vote count.
Some of us meet here daily and just do
You can do any of the above depending on what you feel like.
 
!!/alive
 
@AlexanderO'Mara ... did I miss something?
 
So in short, it is a concentrated effort scenario as close votes age away and those questions are free to haunt us forever.
 
I see. I went through the front page of android-studio a few days ago and I simply removed that tag from a bunch of questions because none of them related to android studio.
 
3:03 AM
If we scatter are votes all over the place nothing gets closed.
 
But when you say close votes, like duplicates, unclear, and off topic?
 
Yeah pretty much the top 5 or 6 reasons happen over and over like that.
And we have a lot of bots going on here.
robots
 
I know what a bot is
 
didn't want you to think like, bodies
sorry
 
No need to apologize, we just met
 
3:06 AM
I checked your profile. We do the same sorta thing out in the world.
hadoop big data all that jazz
give me a few minutes I will give you a screen shot.
 
You certified? ;)
 
no after 2000 hours of doing hadoop cluster configs on AWS EC2 I moved to spark
so this screen shot shows the close requests coming in and available
one of the tamper / grease scripts presents that
and then I produce a pick list of like 30 in a batch that 2 or 3 of us often work at once
my list is unrelated to requests coming in but rather system scans if you will and on only say or whatever tag anyone wants me to do next
 
Ah, that looks nice. I never got into Greasemonkey. My roommate in university did and it seemed interesting.
 
yeah we have people here all over the map on technologies but there simply aren't enough of us
Tiny Giant in particular is quite amazing at JS userscripts (I am sure there are others here). In fact he so alters the SO experience you wouldn't know you were on this site with some of his scripts
 
And there's a Spark certification by DataBricks. My manager might make me take that at some point if clients seem to think it is super important to them. Right now I just sit on the Cloudera side of the fence between them and Hortonworks
 
3:16 AM
yeah I was Horton and C Impala for a while
You are probably a lot younger than me, so certifications seem to matter to young people. I just do it :P
 
Yeah, fresh out of university last summer with software engineering degree. Certifications are really only important for consultants because it shows you know what you are doing.
 
3:37 AM
So I flag this as a duplicate. stackoverflow.com/questions/35249363/…
Then what happens?
 
@AlexanderO'Mara can you answer that generically on the site ^^^^
were it to be a userscript it would appear and consolidated like what Mogs did above you
 
@Drew Answer what?
 
Last nite I went #2 on a dupe request, waited to see if Community would come by and close it as such, but never got back to see what happened because I think after 1 hour it was not dupe hammered
@AlexanderO'Mara what cricket is asking
 
@cricket_007 It goes in the close-vote review queue.
There other people will review it.
If 5 people vote to close, for whatever reason, it will be closed.
 
Is that where Community shows up as presumably the final say if you will
 
3:43 AM
In the case of duplicate close votes, an automatic comment will be created by the first person to vote.
@Drew I don't think so, it shows the names of who closed it.
 
Because once I noticed I came back to a dupe I posted, and after half an hour Community was last at 2nd or 3rd position iirc
Maybe too many braincells ago and I am not remembering it correctly
so @cricket_007 what I would do is come in here and do an @ ... Tunaki or Jarrod on it
but as I had checked 5 min ago, Jarrod is not online and Tunaki is certainly asleep
 
Hello!
Has the unity VR event happend yet?
 
 
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user3956566
5:42 AM
@TylerH ah soz, no worries.
 
user3956566
my God, I write a long referenced answer, someone write a two sentence answer, argues with me and we both get the same votes. And the other person doesn't address the key issue of the question honestly, does so in a psuedo way.. my ten cents
 
user3956566
I've lost my mind on how voting works on this site
 
user3956566
@SpikyCat \o
 
user3956566
6:25 AM
\o
 
6:35 AM
Back.
 
user3956566
@TimCastelijns what do you think of this and this
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan \o
 
o/
How about the one which Smokey just mentioned? Seems off-topic?
 
 
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9:08 AM
We need another three CVs... who has it? This is for the jQuery question... VVLQ.
 
I've got some votes, just 2 more now.
 
@PraveenKumar I don't see how this question qualifies as "Too broad"; It seems rather specific to me. It is being closed as "Typographical error" though.
 
@NisseEngström Sorry, was my typo, it is a typo...
:P
 
And getting ruder...
 
@PraveenKumar would you mind to replace this comment ? ref
 
9:23 AM
@bummi Removed it. :)
 
@NisseEngström It's not a typo cc @PraveenKumar
 
@MadaraUchiha It is a simple one, without reading the manual right?
 
This is a typo: var foo = 5; console.log(f00) why not working?
 
@MadaraUchiha Right...
 
Using a function as a property isn't a typo, it's a misunderstanding of the API
 
9:34 AM
var foo = 5; /* change foo */ foo(10); - What is this?
Okay right...
 
And while reading the docs would work, the answer given here is better because it explains the difference between assignment and function call.
I don't think the question should be closed. Downvoted, sure. But it's not too broad, and it's not a typo, it doesn't ask for code, it has a failed attempt and what he wants to get is clear.
 
@MadaraUchiha Ah... Okay thanks.
 
@PraveenKumar thx :)
 
9:52 AM
@MadaraUchiha It could be argued that it was "resolved in a manner unlikely to help future readers", but I'm fine with it being left open.
 
@NisseEngström I don't think so.
I know I've made this exact mistake when I was a newbie, maybe not with this specific function, but since functions in JavaScript are the same as objects stored in variables, it's very easy to make that mistake without the runtime telling you what went wrong.
 
Sometimes it seems like we need a SmokeDetector for good questions...
3
 
@AlexanderO'Mara Step 1: Create SD for good questions. Step 2: Create new site collecting those with proper attribution. Step 3: Get all the experts there because only good questions make it there. Step 4: ????. Step 5: Profit.
Step 6: Find the guy who placed the \ key so close to ENTER and strangle him.
Who owns the magic fix poster script again?
It's removing code from the question I'm trying to magically fix for some reason
 
@MadaraUchiha What's that? Wow...
 
Back.
 
10:05 AM
cc @TinyGiant opened an issue ^
 
@MadaraUchiha Wooooow Awesome...
If there's a bot that can answer all the questions like this, it would be awesome. :D
 
@PraveenKumar I'm that bot.
 
@KevinGuan Make me a coffee...
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/35251973/… does anyone know what are "jQuery variables"?
 
@Gothdo I'll take care.
 
10:13 AM
@PraveenKumar brews coffee for @PraveenKumar
 
Osum.
 
10:43 AM
@MsYvette dumb questions
 
11:01 AM
@Gothdo Try to avoid this kind of huge chained reports
 
ok
 
Plop everyone!
 
@PraveenKumar Is it really appropriate to blacklist a user for an all-caps title?
 
11:16 AM
@NisseEngström When did I blacklist a user?
 
@PraveenKumar sd k
 
I will correct it.
@NisseEngström aha... my mistake...
 
user3956566
@TimCastelijns yeh I was curious what you thought
 
Hiiiiiiiiiiya o/
 
11:33 AM
Plop Tuna!
 
lol, I'm getting worse. I tried whoring myself out again and... I got downvoted again but, this time, a grossly-incorrect answer got 6 upvotes. Maybe I need a pimp:)
 
Try to post an incorrect answer next time then.
 
@Tunaki Ah, so that's the trick! OK then.. off a whoring I go.. :)
 
Smokey report still trhere
 
Morning
 
11:45 AM
Hiya @kayess o/
 
@Tunaki Heya \o
 
Please flag as SPAM
 
@Kyll sd postgone
 
Finally >.>
 
Sunday... Perfect day for spammers.
 
11:49 AM
Yeah. It took something like 23 minutes to get rid of that one.
 
Is this too broad and/or tool req?
 
@kayess This title smells like so. Reading.
 
@kayess Too long for me. But the title -> POB.
 
@Kyll That question should be split to like 3 individual questions... IMHO
 
@Tunaki Délit de faciès? =p
 
11:54 AM
@Tunaki Went with POB.
 
@kayess Too Broad and POB.
Might be fit on Software Recs though
I'm not sure
afk nom nom. Bon appétit!
 
That C# async Q. was actually quite interesting. If only devs. with interesting problems would actually post good questions;(
 
@MartinJames Which one?
 
@Kyll Bon app'
 
@kayess lol, the one you linked above:)
 
12:04 PM
@MartinJames How is it any good? It lacks MCVE, how do we know what might be wrong?
 
@kayess I said it was interesting, not that is was a good question for SO, (which it is not, as you correctly point out) :)
 
@MartinJames I see and I also got your point :)
 
@kayess You do remember that questions fitting for SO are not interesting right? :)
 
@Tunaki :P
 
@cybermonkey not sure why that Q is unclear. i think that the guy just has no idea what he's doing, but i can pretty much understand what he's asking
 
12:09 PM
@user1803551 unclear what programming language it is. it's only tagged because some user incorrectly assumed that it is C. looks like C++ to me.
 
why can't it be C?
 
@user1803551 the code is valid in both languages, but the OP needs to confirm which language they're programming in
C++ has more functionality available to it than C does, therefore an answer for C might not be a good answer for C++
 
Besides C != C++
 
@Tunaki True, COBOL also has a 'C' in it:)
 
@PraveenKumar flagged as too chatty :p J/K
 
12:16 PM
@kayess LoL.. That's spam.
 
@SmokeDetector sd gone
 
@cybermonkey Fail :)
 
@Tunaki sd postgone done
 
Sam
Afternoon
 
Hiya o/
 
12:27 PM
@cybermonkey He is asking about the current code, which executes the same in c and c++ (as much as i remember). would an answer to the question be different it the tag was c or c++?
 
@user1803551 it would
 
why?
 
Sam
Someone's been busy.
 
12:49 PM
where is that meta post that says "comments are a poor choice to say important stuff"?
 
1:08 PM
Over 600 helpful flags. yay \o
2
 
1:43 PM
Later
 
Sam
Cya
 
Later
 
@Tunaki some of those would be autodeleted, no?
 
@Braiam Those that have an accepted answer also
 
@Tunaki exactly, question with accepted answers aren't deleted by roomba ;)
 
Sam
1:55 PM
 
@Sam Thanks, was thinking about it
 
Sam
Np
I'll keep an eye on the other one too.
 
You can sweep a dirt floor, @Tiny. You just stop when you hit packed dirt. Next time I'll choose a more familiar analogy. — Shog9 ♦ yesterday
what is he telling us?
 
Sam
2:10 PM
The meaning of life.
 
: ).... not so sure... I would take out the shovel if it was my floor...
 
Just burn the whole floor.
2
 
Well that's a solution too... move out and get a new floor...
 
@Magisch how about starting a new room for focusing on real crummy Q & A that you want people to give input for delete votes. Then I would be happy to run a campaign to get those asleep 10k-ers out there that Shog says are asleep and could care less. I am not talking about burniation and the likes of ... To me this trinket rationing (limiting) is a ploy to not allow us to clean up this site
 
is this question off-topic?
 
2:23 PM
@cybermonkey smells tool-rec and probably too broad
 
@PetterFriberg try to get a hold of @cricket_007 and do a little training session in the campaign room on close voting
I chatted with him for a while last nite. That is another 50/day potential. Get him up on tamper and encourage him to support the Mogzie comment on the right pin
 
I guessed you pinged him... lest see if he drops by... I have only like 30 min now, I will be back this evening...
 
how many hours from now does that mean
 
: ), I'm in CET time, now its 15.28 like 16 i need to play some with children and eat... lest say around 21.30 -22.00 they are sleeping again...
 
just how many hours from now i am really not that brilliant. 6 hours from now.
 
2:31 PM
Well lets do some calculation new SimpleDateFormat("yyyy-MM-dd HH:ss).parse(tonight).getTime() - 16 maybe 5,6 h
The usual time of the bee attack..
 
@PetterFriberg ERROR: Uncauht exception: ParseException
 
ok,, try{counting}catch(All ex){let Tunaki do it}
 
I hate it when users understand my answer, and ask me further questions in comments, but neither upvote nor accept any answer in the question despite them all beeing factually correct
throws hands in the air and walks out
 
don't walk out of anywhere. Take a deep breath and ponder it for a second.
 
@Magisch, if user is new they can't upvote... and probably does not even know you should accept....
 
2:37 PM
and read my first comment or two to cricket like 10 hours ago
 
Good idea drew
I fear its not going to work however
@PetterFriberg In my ideal world everybody has read the tour and how to ask page...
 
I have not scanned the list and haven't seen your answers, but I imagine that you are doing the Gandhi thing to OPs that can't help you and are clueless and 1 day later have a new acct
 
That's your ideal... the truth is that when you post your concentrated on your problem not really the tour....
 
@Drew Im a sucker and answer further questions in comments usually
 
@Magisch Listen to some good music instead: youtube.com/watch?v=wJRh0PlWB6g (this is not a rickroll :) )
 
2:40 PM
and since we live in the world of Facebook people know only the button like!.... "who is that ah who clicked dislike"
 
just don't do the same thing again and again and expect different results
 
@Drew I sometimes have a soft spot for lost noobs.
 
we all do. Just don't expect rep for it but rather snarky Shog comments
 
@Magisch Another good one (yes it's a French band): youtube.com/watch?v=0713Ml25MM8
sd remove- on it
 
1 more for that
 
2:44 PM
@PraveenKumar If you edit, fix als the other problems of the post ;). And try to say "on it" so that we don't step onto each other toes.
 
@Tunaki That's okay... Don't worry. Actually, I made the code changes and you made the spelling changes. :)
 
Sam
@Tunaki 3, 4, 8 and 9 are still alive.
 
@Sam Probably because they are roombable. Didn't pay attention to that.
 
@BhargavRao Hiya o/
 
2:47 PM
@magisch if you want a scan of that need answered with higher rep OPs let me know. Like rep>50 ... less than that I would not bother. Don't be Gandhi
 
@Drew ping-pong!
 
greetings. I am trying to put together a list of for you and Petter. Perhaps we can go to the campaign room in an hour and look at a few to get aligned on what should be closed according to prevailing opinion here. But as always the choice is yours
 
@Drew Keep in mind im a dirty scrub aswell
 
Sam
@Tunaki So we're good to move?
 
Yep.
 
Sam
2:48 PM
Roger.
 
I'm on me phone...
 
@cricket_007, hi...
 
@PetterFriberg Yo
 
Nice to see you.... we always need some help in here, to shovel packed dirt...
2
 
2:52 PM
At least it isn't loosely scattered dirt. Dusty and covering literally everything.
 
here is your broom. Oh btw it turns into a stick after 50
 
Drew prepare some nice excel we review ... no rep no badges, just the fun of the bee attack...
 
it is going to be cv4 no answers and neg net votes shouldn't be that difficult ... and instant gratification
 
I'm assuming I should move to a computer for this?
 
Sam
@cricket_007 Unless you like a challenge.
 
2:58 PM
@cricket_007, remember always it is you reviewing... the objective is not close stuff that can be edit to a good question... but to shovel out dirt.. consider to leave comment that helps op ecc.
 
@Tunaki Do we help that "vandalizer" by delv-ing his post?
 
Hmm. I like challenges, but the autocomplete on phone keyboard really messes with typing variables and method names
 

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