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10:06 AM
so we should not note that this is done, now?
 
@tripleee I think we should use "postgone" for those, not sure :p
 
but I guess it's too late to edit the message
 
@Pro does k and f work for all the rooms, or are they just for "that room"?
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. All rooms.
where Smokey listens
 
Should I flag as a license/legal question even though it's flagged as duplicate? stackoverflow.com/questions/17977955/…
 
10:14 AM
Good.
 
(It posts in more rooms than it listens in)
 
@ProgramFOX I know.
 
@SmokeDetector edited
@Trevor good question ... I suppose it would be at this point
 
I have not followed this conversation but afaik it's not allowed to ask for votes
@Trevor dv-pls means delete vote, not down vote
 
ok sorry!! That was not intended then.
 
10:22 AM
edit your message if you still can ok?
 
@TimCastelijns how do you do that?
 
Too late now, but you click the arrow on the left of your message when you hover over it
there is a 2 min window
 
@cybermonkey You have been told before that we don't handle SU here: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/25981143#25981143
1 message moved to Trash can
 
@rene you can remove messages? maybe we don't want this one in the transcript chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/27798675#27798675
 
@rene yes, which is why I did not post a cv-pls
 
10:36 AM
1 message moved to Trash can
 
Thanks
 
@cybermonkey I don't see much difference. What you do is not OK, so please stop doing that.
 
Thank you @rene. It was not intended to break rules, rather misunderstood suggestion.
 
np
 
pretty sure I remember asking this before, but can a duplicate target be older than any duplicates of said target?
oh, and is the MagicEditor supposed to be used elsewhere than SO?
currently using it on SU and it's telling me there's corrections to be made, but doesn't actually make them
 
10:47 AM
Post age doesn't matter for duping
 
@TimCastelijns so an old question can be marked as a duplicate of a newer question? surely it should be the other way round only?
 
Sometimes a question is asked that gets alot of attention and great answers, but was already asked a year ago but didn't get attention then, in such cases it makes sense to close the older one as dupe of the newer
 
Yeah, you look at question quality really (and the answers)
 
to direct the traffic to the question with the best quality, as rene said
 
I think , , and should be burned. They really are meta tags and I don't see how you could be an expert in that
 
10:59 AM
I AM AN EXPERT IN !
 
, you mean. :P
huh, tag syntax doesn't like uppercase :(
 
The trick is to come up with a nice pun, ideas?
 
Something like a case in court
 
@cybermonkey I assume the original code base works everywhere. So you might report a bug for that case with either @Tiny or @Mogsdad
 
11:05 AM
"Are we keeping these around just in case?"?
"[Case]folding"?
 
"These tags are a hopeless case"?
 
The case of "cases" is sensitive?
 
You guys are really good at this :D
 
Put these tags in a case and burn it
 
@Tunaki Only thing we're good at.
 
@rene Hmm now why did that not come up in my search
I see, not tagged burninate-request
 
I dunno but somewhere I knew I saw those before...
 
The best part is that I apparently upvoted that post in the past :D
 
Déjà Vu!
 
11:23 AM
Owner deleted
 
yes, deleted the 4 of them
 
the postgone appears to have the distinct disadvantage that the SmokeDetector report remains in my scrollback buffer, causing me to waste time on visiting posts which have already been handled
 
11:47 AM
Wouldn't it be nice if the number ways to say "no value" was smaller than the number of programming languages?
 
Lol, yes
 
there are multiple cases of "no value" which can usefully be distinguished in many programming languages; so no, that would be confusing for them
 
None, nil, nul, null, Null, NA...
I don't remember the equivalent in MIPS assembly but it was probably something like A91. Because.
 
\00000000
 
Fantastic.
 
11:58 AM
Does javascript's Undefined also count?
 
JS just generally doesn't count.
 
Is there documentation for Smokes "postgone" command?
 
@Thaillie It's like gone, except you should use it when only the post is deleted, in contrast to gone, where you should use it when both the post and the poster are nuked from orbit.
 
Plop!
 
Hello Kyll o/
 
12:10 PM
Hey kyll
 
Sam
Afternoon
 
Hey sam
 
Hello Sam o/
 
\o all
 
but but but, would it not be better to allow people to use "gone" and specify a different, better command for saying "the spammer is gone, too"? I assume most users here will be hard to retrain, and not having the message disappear from the chat transcript is a distinct usability disadvantage
 
12:16 PM
gone u?
 
just thinking out loud here, but a separate command to list spammers whose accounts are still around would seem like a simple workaround
 
Ah, got it. Never mind.
 
12:35 PM
link-only answers for other questions in the SE network are still NAA, right?
 
@cybermonkey Hmm.
Oh I'm wasting time trying not to waste time.
 
@cybermonkey if they are of the form see here then yes.
@tripleee I agree. The whole concept is rather strange and hard to explain but I'll come back to that later.
 
@cybermonkey Example <- what to do with this one
^ attracting new possibly spammy answers
 
12:56 PM
^ also blatantly off-topic
 
@cybermonkey that is NAA, if you leave out the link no value is left but don't forget the question. That is the root of all evil.
 
When you review Suggested Edits, is there a way to filter only edits made to tags (wiki or excerpt)?
I notice that I reject 95% of the time such edits because it either lacks usage guidance or is a plagiarism. I'd like to spend those 20 votes effectively.
 
1:28 PM
morning!
 
Morning gunr o/
 
Sam
Morning funr!
 
Mornin'
Feel weird saying that when it's 5 p.m. here
 
well it's 8:30 in the morning here
and we just got a butt-ton of snow
 
o/
 
user3956566
1:30 PM
\o
 
so that was fun to drive through
 
Sam
\o/
 
o/\o
 
I miss snow.
|o|
 
It is already confirmed, this will be the first December since measurements started that the temperature didn't drop below 0 degrees Celsius.
 
1:34 PM
I want snow, but we just had the warmest Christmas since 1974 :p
 
@gunr2171 everybody/vehicle on your path survived as well?
 
user3956566
@rene we are cold, needing warm tops and socks, it's usually in the 30s C
 
@rene me, yes. Everyone else, TBD
 
lol
 
user3956566
@rene we are cold, needing warm tops and socks, it's usually in the 30s C
 
1:35 PM
repost
 
we set a record high of 15C on the 24th. just got our first actual snowfall of the season last night (1"), but it is going to be too warm for it to stick around today.
 
user3956566
@Closey next 10 tags
 
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@MsYvette The next 10 tags are: 92, 52, 37, 35, 35, 32, 31, 31, 31, 31
 
(the previous record high was set in the 60s)
 
user3956566
but it's weird cos it's colder than usual here (for summer)
 
1:37 PM
Eh, do you guys consider TeX a programming language?
 
I dunno
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. yes
 
Is it like PostScript?
 
@rene Do you consider HTML and CSS a programming language? :P
 
Javascript is not a programming language
 
1:39 PM
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. No, but that is often used by programmers
 
@rene Then TeX is not a programming language.
 
user3956566
^^ about licences
 
Though that's a bit stretched.
 
@MsYvette if you want to use my auto comment: I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because [licensing advice is off-topic on $SITENAME$.](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/274964/1402846) You may be able to get help on [Programmers Stack Exchange, but **read their faq carefully** before proceeding.](http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/7265/when-is-a-‌​software-licensing-question-on-topic)
uh, ignore the $SITENAME$ part....
 
user3956566
@gunr2171 thanks, I thought as you guys were burning some similar tags, I'd alert you to questions related to said tags.. is that what you want?
 
1:41 PM
Heh, I thought y'all use pro-forma.
 
that would be Kevin Brown
he's the burn master at the moment
 
user3956566
ah k
 
@gunr2171 Oh I see what's going on. You have a little seekrit group here that wants to take over the world the close vote review queue.
 
all we want to do is make a dent :)
 
user3956566
1:45 PM
ok do we need to tie him up and stop him from telling the world about our seekrit?
 
real talk: this room has a lot of power because we group together to review posts. Be aware of that power, and don't go joking about it.
 
No because 1) you can't tie up a dodecahedrane, it slips.
2) You don't need to. I want to cooperate with your evil plans.
 
user3956566
@gunr2171 ok I'll go and have some light humour elsewhere for the evening ;)
 
humour is fine, just when it comes to the responsibilities of this room is where we need to be serious
 
Sure.
I [hope I] understand.
 
Sam
2:00 PM
@Yam stats
Le sigh
 
#NotMyFault
 
Sam
@Pham stats
...
@Closey alive
 
@Sam I'm alive and kicking!
 
> socvr/graverobber "mono /srv/graverobbe" 37 hours ago Up 37 hours
want me to restart it?
 
Sam
Nah
 
2:02 PM
Hey everyone! (SOCVR chatbot started, linux v2 test!)
 
Sam
I've gotta finish off some updates
 
have fun
 
> If you stop wasting my time that will be highly appreciated
 
@rene What is the minimum rep to ask a question on meta?
 
5?
 
2:06 PM
that ^
 
@Thaillie 5
 
Sam
@Thaillie 5.00000000000000000001
 
Oh. Late I am.
 
yes, 5
 
Maybe they should raise that a bit :p
 
2:07 PM
Argh. I was just finishing my meta post for requesting filtering Suggested Edits to limit only tag wikis and then I realized: there is no audits on tag wikis so it can't be done...
 
why, things are cleared from meta much faster than main
 
@Tunaki That doesn't look like a valid user URL.
 
Okay
Epic fail
 
Um
 
2:09 PM
for the record:
Thank you, for suggestion. — Jeet Upadhyay 19 secs ago
 
user3956566
@Tunaki are you sure, there was one link used twice and a second link used once. NAA, but how do you know it's spam?
 
3 posts which only promote the content on a link
if the only reason you are here is to link to another place, you're here for the wrong reasons
 
user3956566
@gunr2171 I totally agree with that. Just wondering if it was spam (undisclosed bla bla)
 
> If the only reason you're here is to sell something or drive traffic to your site, then please avoid posting answers.
 
@MsYvette The link to the blog post, in the about me section, it is the same username that on SO
They were deteled by mod btw
 
user3956566
2:18 PM
@Tunaki ah missed that. I figured there was something more to it, knowing you.
 
42
Q: UP WITH [CAPITALIZATION]!

MogsdadThis concerns some 2,694 questions today, in 16 tags (+1 synonym) that are all related to upper & lower case text. Some of these tags were previously discussed in Merging [case-sensitive] and [case-insensitive] tags. I propose the bulk of these tags be removed or made synonyms, as they add no v...

 
-1 entire post should be in ALL CAPS
 
Agreed.
 
Good morning. Had a great drive into work today. Stopped to help someone get their car freed from a small snow-bank. That's my ONE good deed for the day... so don't cross me. ( ಠ ಠ )
 
yeah, we have a lot of snow here as well
 
2:27 PM
This has no obvious relationship to the question. — John Coleman 3 mins ago
 
@SmokeDetector this was edited, might be valid now!
 
@gunr2171 OP had vandalized their post.
 
oh crap, I didn't realise it wasn't the original version
decline flag here I come!
 
So, do you guys tp the vandalism?
 
I'd just ignore the report (as in don't respond, not ignore)
 
2:30 PM
Voted to delete answer
 
for this instance
 
> How to delete my answer? ---------------------------------------------------
 
Wait, how did he edit his answer and not see the delete button?
 
@gunr2171 The UI is very confusing the first two days.
I wonder if they wanted to delete and instead vandalized the post.
 
@cybermonkey The Magic Editor will work on any SE site, and in almost every edit box. I know it doesn't work in all the queues, because of some inconsistencies in DOM element naming.
@Rizier123 Looks like they pasted from a WYSIWYG editor; there are multiple kinds of space characters in front of some lines of their code.
Easy fix. What was that saying about making idiot-proof software?
 
2:35 PM
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Maybe they should add a big red button Don't push this instead of the delete link.
 
@rene Will work.
 
change the entire site to Comic Sans
 
I won't sleep at nights then.
 
@Rizier123 Ah - no... you used <pre>(again). Issue #94.
 
sounds like you should <pre>vent that from happening
 
2:39 PM
@gunr2171 Is "delete" a privilege you need to earn?
 
I don't think so?
not sure
but you should be able to delete any post, it shouldn't be a rep requirement
(besides time or votes)
 
@gunr2171 I think noobs can only flag their own post for deletion. (Like you, not sure... but it would explain a lot of crap.)
 
oh, ok
(man, I can sense the "IDK" from here)
 
@gunr2171 New rule: all bug reports MUST include puns or haikus.
 
I can get behind that
 
2:51 PM
Morning
 
yo!
 
Morning Nathan o/
 
o/
 
o|
 
o\
 
2:57 PM
o_
 
@Pham next 3 tags
 
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@Tunaki The next 3 tags are: 50, 44, 36
@Tunaki I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
Dude is literally asking what a function does, in a way that would be answered by the documentation. Not even a quirk of it, just "explain this function."
Because he likes to "get [his] answers from personalised questions."
I can't even close it, because no one has asked to be spoon-fed the doc on that particular function before, and it's not broad, and I can tell exactly what he's asking.
 
Tunaki passed a audit!
 
3:09 PM
Hmm it catched that one but not the previous one
 
Tunaki passed a audit!
 
My jimmies are severely rustled.
 
Sam
@Tunaki Was the post deleted?
 
@Sam No
 
Sam
Link?
 
3:12 PM
Didn't it catch both of them now?
 
Sam
I assume there's a third?
 
Sam
Thanks
 
@Tunaki You've completed 40 CV review item(s) today, thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 11 minutes, averaging to a review every 18 seconds.
 
Thanks Pham, appreciated
 
3:16 PM
Every 18 seconds. O_O
 
I think the record so far is 4 seconds
Feb 19 at 16:34, by gunr2171
Disclaimer: The CV Chat room does not encourage excessively fast review times, especially if it sacrifices accuracy.
 
Meh, I know that you guys are reviewing RIGHTEOUSLY.
It's just that my internet connection won't allow me to review as fast. :)
 
I know, it's just something I need to say as an RO
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Doesn't look that high to me actually. 18 seconds is quite a lot of time. Try holding your breath for 18 seconds :D
 
Being an RO here is lotsa work. :/
I'm an RO of chem's chat, and we typically fight flies there. :)
 
3:20 PM
No offence to other chat rooms, be we try to be professional here.
 
I held my breath for 18 seconds. What do I win?
 
@TigerhawkT3 Some dead brain cells
 
@TigerhawkT3 A red face.
 
FedEx them to me, please.
 
@TigerhawkT3 Here's a waffle
 
3:22 PM
> These articals from stackoverflow.com.
 
@MadaraUchiha Do moderators have a tool for deleting questions in a tag? I noticed you cleared out (Thanks!) earlier
 
So, technically, TeX.SE isn't from SO, so are they attributing correctly?
@KevinBrown You mean a tag in questions?
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Nope, I mean deleting all questions in a tag. Instead of running through them one by one and hitting the "delete" button
 
o.o
Dunno, never heard such feature exist.
 
Shog9 talked about "me pressing a button and it's as if it never existed", but I don't know if that's a CM thing or a regular mod thing
 
Sam
3:26 PM
Waffles!
 
You know, I question the existence of such high land "feature", since how many instances have you seen where it'd be useful?
 
All questions with the tag, or the tag itself?
 
the tag itself, but that also involves reviewing the posts
89
A: When to burninate

Shog9Before you start doing anything, put a little bit of thought into the request: Does this tag even need to be burninated? There are a lot of burninate-requests posted to various meta sites that are... To put it gently... A complete and utter waste of everyone's time. Some folks will seemingly p...

 
Well, I was wondering if the feature @Kevin talked about existed; i.e. deleting all questions that have a tag.
 
user3956566
3:29 PM
night all
 
Sam
Night
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. I would say no, because it is a SE site and not a SO site.
 
someone 15k please consider protecting this? stackoverflow.com/q/12651867
 
Would that help? The lowest-rep answerer has 11 (although it's from that answer, which means someone found it useful).
 
@Drew done
 
3:35 PM
i am obviously aware :P
thx
 
I mean, the question doesn't have a bunch of garbage answers from new/anonymous users.
 
i only protected it because it had that answer from the 11 rep user
 
New users are allowed to answer questions, too. :P
 
it's a simplistic question but it has favorites count and doesn't need more (Answers)
 
POB
 
3:41 PM
I will quote you on that ("New users are allowed to answer questions, too.") soon Tiger :P
 
One day when I least suspect it?
 
the next time the dupe hammer strikes
just having fun T, I won't quote you on it
 
@TigerhawkT3 yes, but a) it doesnt add much over the existing answers and b) what theyre suggesting causes the user to have orphan data hanging around
the fact that you can temporarily disable foreign keys in mysql is a *bad thing*(TM)
 
I think that would merit a DV/comment, not a protect.
 
and the last guy had it wrong anyway if there are FK's in place
it deserves a protect in my book due to my "simplistic" comment above
 
3:45 PM
I'm somewhere between agreement with you and devil's advocate, because I get the feeling that if a <15k-rep user flagged it for protection it would be declined.
I mean, read the explanation under the protection notice. Did the new user's answer fall under that umbrella?
 
Does the question need to have protection on its own merit (regardless of last guy). I suggest yes
 
Most new-user answers I see are downright wrong, i.e., would cause an exception of some kind.
Protect as a preemptive strike?
 
Perry Mason guy !
 
Sam
@Pham waffles
 
@Sam Sorry, I don't understand that. Use commands for a list of commands.
 
Sam
3:48 PM
@Pham sttttats
 
@Sam Sorry, I don't understand that. Did you mean stats?
 
Sam
Ok, good.
 
@Pham commands
 
Below is a list of commands for the Close Vote Chat Bot

Everyone
    alive - A simple ping command to test if the bot is running.
    commands - Shows this list.
    help - Prints info about this software.
    running commands - Displays a list of all commands that the chat bot is currently running.
    status - Tests if the chatbot is alive and shows simple info about it.

Registered
    audit stats - Shows stats about your recorded audits.
    completed tags [min <#>] - Shows the latest tags that have been completed by multiple people.
 
Error: show referenced is from before T3's assignment
 
3:49 PM
@Pham comands
 
@Tunaki Sorry, I don't understand that. Did you mean commands?
 
Nice
 
Sam
I still need to add reply support.
(E.g., replying "yes", will execute the command.)
 
@Pham audit stats
 
@Drew Stats of all tracked audits by tag:
 | Tag Name | %      | Count |
 |---------------------------|
 | c#       | 100.00 | 1     |
 
3:52 PM
Anyway, I agree that more answers on that question would probably be more detrimental than beneficial by this point, but protection is intended to prevent "thanks," "me too," spam, and "I'm pretty sure this is a forum" answers.
 
Yam
GraveRobber started 1.7.0.5.
 
@Pham my completed tags
 
@Tunaki I don't have any completed tags by you on record. When you run out of items in your filter paste the message into chat here and I'll record it.
 
that last answer doesnt add anything over the existing answers (though protection wouldnt have stopped that guy, it might have made him think twice about posting)
 
Ah so you need to paste the message into here
 
3:53 PM
we dont need duplicate answers on questions
 
Sam
@Yam stats
 
It's bad, but is it spam or NAA?
There are all manner of questions that get a bunch of similar answers, but I don't protect them.
 
@tunaki what do we do with this nugget: stackoverflow.com/a/34514216
that is that guys github
 
(BTW, when I say "it's bad" there I'm taking your word for it.)
 
@Drew Just VLQ, IMO
 
Sam
3:55 PM
@Yam refill
 
@tunaki what do we do about promoting github but not disclosing
 
So, strictly speaking, that question should not have been protected, even though I agree that it would benefit from it.
 
we know your opinion on it Tiger. that is all it is
 
Since it's only 1 post and the user has other contributions that are not spam, I wouldn't do anything
 
@MadaraUchiha Not sure that's really a big deal...
 
3:56 PM
ok how about I put in a comment saying "please disclose it is your source code" ?
 
@Drew @BhargavRao already commented on that
 
no he didnt
 
Are we looking at this?
 
This isn't based on my opinion, it's based on the stated purpose of protection.
 
i would treat it like any other link-only answer. the author of the website is irrelevant, in my opinion. the answerer just needs to show how that project is going to solve the OP's problem
 
3:58 PM
Hi
 
@Drew I would really like to see that happen, very much as in done is suggested in How not to be spammer
 
Yam
GraveRobber started 1.7.0.5.
 
@BhargavRao o/
 
@BhargavRao o|
 
@Tunaki Err, did you by any chance leave a message in that question?
 
3:59 PM
@Tunaki BR is not making it clear what I and Rene are referring to
 
Although I kind of don't appreciate the notion that my opinions are worthless.
 

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