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12:22 AM
@Olaf THX for backing up. That guy is stubborn, oh my :-P
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Didn't you know being stubborn is the new black?
 
@Olaf That sounds racist somehow :-/
 
@πάνταῥεῖ It definitively is not my fault if you read something out of the text which is not said!
 
You don't know the TV series "Orange is the new Black"?
No makeup, no cotton balls ... you are really not into fashion ;-þ
@πάνταῥεῖ: Actually I find this comment interesting - sock puppet?
@πάνταῥεῖ: Hey, I wanted OP to find at least this one himself!
 
@πάνταῥεῖ You loose 1 rep for a DV. Q or A does not matter.
 
@Olaf I'm sick said the doc today :-P
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Today? he said and ran away
 
@Olaf No, DVs on questions are for free.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Hmm, that's certainly news. I honestly was sure every DV costs.
Just tried; seems to work indeed … murmble, murmble
 
12:41 AM
@Olaf Well, everyone has the right to be wrong once.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Ok, hab die Posts gelöscht. Schlage vor, du löschte deine Diesbezüglichen auch
 
"... has the right to be wrong once. ..." Disclaimer:
DANGER: That won't necessarily apply when playing with loaded weapons!
@Olaf I am not learning from youtube, I am learning from University, it is just something I saw, and I couldn't find the answer for it, now I have it. But instead of only critisizing, maybe you can suggest that "good book". — Poyr23 18 mins ago
I'm really wondering if we have a serious problem with academia, and people are taught the wrong things.
Did I tell you the story of that technical lead in my company who was one of our predecessors? The BIG BALL OF MUD stuff and that?
He's lecturing at our local university :-P
 
@πάνταῥεῖ You mean "how to get money for silly projects", "how to get good grades instead of stand by your opinion" instead of "how to search on google" or "how to really argument"? Yes, that would be great. But I'm not positive.
@πάνταῥεῖ Only thrice or so:-)
 
12:58 AM
He wasn't even able to argue so far right now. I'll be happy to disclose you our conversation at LinkedIn if you like to see that.
I'm not a nice guy ya know ;-)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Ah, well, i also held some courses. One about embedded systems programming. Prerequisite was they already know the C language (which we intended to use) and they had such a course. But guess how much embedded we did and how much C or even programming basics?
Not that it kept them from surfing on youtube during the course. Result was halfd the course failed the exam and the rest made it quite tight. And no, it was not the exam; I had a friend of mine review it.
 
I'm not claiming that I would be good at lecturing or didactics. But to unleash that kind of obviously incompetent people on students is simply an unforgivable sin.
I believe at least I could be good on a course called "How to use google efficiently"
Just a 2 hours lecture
 
1:17 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ To be fair: read my comment above. It is not necessarily the tutor being bad, but the students not concentration, having "something better" to do than listening and making notes (I intentionally did not provide written course material, but used the whiteboard a lot). From the question and the comment we cannot say it is a bad teacher. If you drive off-road, you need to get a good map of the terrain.
 
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Ivory tower of academia run by ma*ia if you ask me. Especially when it comes to computer science.
 
@Olaf Of course. There were those student days ;-)
 
user1593881
In my country, that is.
 
@RawN If it were only an ivory tower instead of a broken house
@RawN "run by ma*ia" That's called Allumni IIRC :-P
 
user1593881
My college years were a waste of time. I know that now.
 
1:29 AM
@RawN Whose not? At least for those who did not intend to stay there and join that game of politics. Universities are the worst of politics ever - even worse than parliaments, etc.
 
user1593881
@Olaf Agreed. I regret the money spent on them.
 
user1593881
Prior to quitting.
 
user1593881
Everything in my college was one big intellectual fallacy.
 
@RawN We need more horse-sense in every aspect of our society.
And that should be encouraged.
 
 
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5:49 AM
^ is this spam?
 
@suraj oh, eh I think it was ...
 
got deleted before I could flag it though
 
Ok, good I guess then :)
 
6:27 AM
@SmokeDetector borderline abbusive imo
 
@Adriaan I don't think a mod flag will be successful though
I casted a delete vote
 
Foreign language = VLQ, but this is clear enough that it's just abusing the system, albeit not in an offensive way (Unless you are offended by seeing French)
 
I am ...
 
@rene you're not alone in that regard :D
morgon @Petter
 
I read that as moron
sorry ...
 
6:37 AM
You pronounce it as such :P
 
Cool.
 
Morning \o
 
@SmokeDetector link similar to avatar
 
@PetterFriberg yes I have forgot to shoot the NAA flag on that : \
 
6:47 AM
@Adriaan Yeah true that :D
and "mårån" to you too
 
umm stackoverflow.com/questions/44174052/… does this belong in meta stackoverflow?
 
@suraj Yes, but might as wel delete it, as he should do that himself
 
I vote for meta
 
7:28 AM
Morning o/
 
flag as VLQ..
 
Yeah NAA, but the OP is not really reading my comments :D, moving on....
 
^cv-pls
 
7:49 AM
Flagged this as link-only in LQP however is it considered spam-ish ? stackoverflow.com/a/6622066
 
@kayess not spam-ish, no red flag, since link answers the question.
LQP queue got it, problem solved
 
OK
Shall be closed as we are not tech support for $company ? stackoverflow.com/questions/44153720/…
 
@kayess looks like it, yes
 
Left a comment there, flagged as so
Also: 2500 helpful flags \o/
 
8:09 AM
@kayess congrats :)
 
@Bugs thanks!
Also: got my fourth Steward gold badge \o/
 
@kayess but still 150 rep short of the close vote privilege. Get your priorities straight, will you? ;)
 
@rene yes alright, don't want to risk my life to get rene'd again ; )
 
Going off OPs comment ^
 
8:48 AM
how to enter the cv-pls tag in chat again?
 
Read your mind :p
 
Haha yes
 
9:42 AM
Do the mods have a day off or what? Go handle my flags! .... ;)
 
@rene To be fair, it's Father's Day today.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ It is? I thought it was Himmelfahrt
 
@rene The same same
 
Fathersday is somewhere in June i think but that is just commercially driven
 
May 25, 2017 in Germany: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father's_Day
 
9:55 AM
@Pang on the third Sunday of June for me.
 
Hey
 
@EricAya \o
 
@rene Yeah me too. Today's closer to mother's day than father's day.
 
@AshishAhuja o/
I flagged this as NAA but now I think it's actually spam, hovering the link shows a different URL: stackoverflow.com/a/44176394/2227743
paper .io VS paperio. org
 
 
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11:37 AM
Morning
 
o/
 
12:17 PM
It really is turning into a free coding site, tbh
 
@halfer let's create an alternative?, I was having this idea that we could something that all users can edit and put useful content together, we can call it Documents or something like this...
just give 'em repzzz and they will work for free
 
@suraj can you make sure to include at least one of the default close reasons? Too broad would have worked there.
 
ah..ok it cant be edited now though.
 
@PetterFriberg Heh heh
The only trouble with that idea is that however it is built, a Meta mob will whip themselves up into a frenzy and declare the whole thing to be a "dumpster fire". If it looks like it is gaining traction they'll rush off to a petrol station so they can dump more fuel on the embers.
Good idea otherwise, though!
 
aah ok yeah probably true, never mind, let'em focus on answering dupes and give out some free random code
 
 
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1:35 PM
Am I allowed to request typohunt on my answer here or not anymore?
 
If you would like someone to copy edit you post that's fine
 
copy edit ?
 
@NathanOliver are we? Even if it is their own answer? is it your own answer @kayess?
 
Yes it's mine
 
On main or meta?
 
1:39 PM
main
 
Let me check with Nathan first, hold on
 
You know I'm real close getting rene'd so I'm trying! : D
 
@rene We don't want to help edit their posts into shape?
@kayess should have used proofread instead
 
@NathanOliver ah yes, now I understand that, thanks :)
Going to steal the remaning coffee from other office workers, brb
 
1:46 PM
@kayess the battle has been won by @NathanOliver so if you carefully link to the post you want us to proofread we are OK for now with that, until this gets abused I guess.
 
[tag:proofread-pls] <what to look for / why> <link>
 
Guess how many ways our GrammarGuy will go insane by reading these :D
Thanks a lot for both of you @rene @Nat
 
@kayess looks ok to me
 
Close this as no repro/typo? See comments.
 
1:59 PM
@NathanOliver ^^ no repro/typo
 
That is a yes?
 
yes that is a yes.
 
No, it is a no repro/typo
 
OK. Thanks. Voted
@WiktorStribiżew Not sure about that. It seems like the majority of regex questions are people asking for the regex to do something. I think it is an exception.
 
@kayess Made some minor edits but was good overall
 
2:10 PM
@JarrodRoberson you do know that comments can take almost 500 characters right?
 
@Nkosi @Machavity thank you guys!
 
@Adriaan maybe the red signal with 4 in it will get their attention?
 
@rene hmm?
 
@JarrodRoberson That's walking the rude line (maybe even going over it). Please remember to be nice. A simple CV for TB lacks MCVE would have worked there.
 
@Adriaan He probably means number 4 showing up in the inbox indicator
 
2:17 PM
@kayess ah, good point
it's too hot to properly think here
 
sprakeloos en laveloos
 
Yeah SOCVR's always been a hot place overall
 
2:28 PM
@rene Stunned and stumped?
 
sort of, yes.
Still sane ...
 
speechless and sloshed
According to Google anyway :/
 
2:47 PM
@gunr2171 I feel so ashamed: meta.stackoverflow.com/revisions/349666/2
 
@NathanOliver He took a stand
 
3:10 PM
@SmokeDetector Do we edit that link out or flag as spam?
 
charcoal is torn 2:1 towards spam
 
Well I edited it out as there was a suggested edit. We can always revert and spam flag if we need to.
 
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 14 secs ago, by DavidPostill
@CalvT I'm tired of giving every spammer one chance. It's a waste of time.
 
Just to clarify, I tp'd as it was spam, but didn't flag and suggested the edit
 
O_o
 
3:18 PM
Well it's deleted now and it looks like the spam flag applied
 
> This ecological biome matches 7 of the 9 preconditions of being objectively creepy.
From Subnautica
 
3:34 PM
It seems more and more we just need to teach people some basic google fu :-P
How did you search the net? What phrases did you use? I get lot of resultsπάντα ῥεῖ 3 mins ago
 
New android exploit, looks to affect all versions: techcrunch.com/2017/05/25/…
 
@πάνταῥεῖ keep in mind that some countries block Google so they are left with the second best option: Bing.
 
@rene I'm almost sure that Bing will give you very similar results.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ sure, it might take 6 to 8 weeks but they will catch up ;)
 
3:42 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ Your reply was not direct to a possible duplicate notification
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Heat Detector only accepts tp and fp
 
@rene I met that weird case yesterday where some people claimed it's impossible to search if you don't know what you're searching for is named. It took me about 10s to disproove them.
@Queen tp
 
@πάνταῥεῖ true that. Google will do anything to give you a result for whatever you throw at them. I think the bonus of the Google search team is halved every time a user sees a no pages match your search
 
@rene That might be an impacting reason (probably true for the Bing developers as well). Though there are some very simple rules one can use to improve google (or Bing) search fu.
The OP there accused me to be negative BTW, because I marked their question as a dupe (or such reasoning). I finally didn't get were I was rude or negative when handling that question.
Sometimes it's really frustrating. You spent efforts at some questions and try to help them out, but all you earn is something like: "You arrogant a***le, I didn't know that yet."
 
3:59 PM
There simply is a mismatch in expectations. They want instant fish, you bring the fish-rod ...
And in the end you beat them with it ...
 
@rene In the end I gave them the fish upon of that.
@rene You mean I make them feel dumb or such?
I don't really want that, seriously.
 
@rene it's more like "He unintentionally poke them in the eye with it"
 
@PetterFriberg Ouchy
 
You better be careful when walking around with the fish rod
 
@PetterFriberg He swung the rod carelessly and the hook embedded within their mouth, for they had it left it wide open
 
4:04 PM
@PetterFriberg Ya know these short ones?
 
Yeah bring smaller rods and hand'em over carefully, OP is not used to rods
 
@PetterFriberg That's why I'm not great in didactics I guess.
I would be a widely hated teacher.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I dunno, it is like this: me hungry, need food, give fish and then you go this is where you find the bait, this how you choose which line to use, this are the type of fish-rods you can use, here are some great fish spots, oh .. do you want fresh or sea fish, anyway, let's put this in the water and then you watch and wait That explains why people get pissed off and you can't do a thing about it.
 
WHERE IS MY FISH!
 
not today
 
4:08 PM
@rene Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for several days. Beat a man with a fish and he is humiliated
 
@PetterFriberg Just at a shore near to you ;-)
Where's Tuna BTW? Didn't see him since I'm back again.
 
tuna is not here?
 
@Machavity lol
 
On a 6-8 leave, but I managed to force him in creating an issue on the chat lib... He's still going strong just having other fun.
 
@ColdFire I just mentioned I didn't see him
 
4:11 PM
oh
 
out fishing probably
 
@Machavity I checked the link, I have no idea what I'm looking at. And I'm fine with it.
 
I won't mention what could probably be other fun ;-)
 
@PetterFriberg lol a fish fishing a fish
 
4:12 PM
@rene Watch the video (gotta scroll a bit)
 
My y key hangs :-P
 
@Machavity I watched it, it didn't really help ...
 
@πάνταῥεῖ My εῖ key is nonexistant
 
@Machavity I'm writing a lot of leet speak all the time unintentionally ...
 
4:29 PM
@Nathan While I'm still asking to clarify the real use case you're writing an answer. Well :-P
Expect OP's complaints why they can't do this or that.
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Pretty sure my answer already covers that.
 
@NathanOliver We should be careful regarding answers that just solve the plain technical issues. I've seen quite bad systems build up upon that.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ That's why I answered with the "proper way" first. Then told them how they could do it if they do not want to do it that way. We can only lead a horse to water, we can't force it to drink.
 
@NathanOliver Yeah, that's a good approach.
 
5:05 PM
@bugs, This CV request no longer appears valid. The question has been edited from "find some API" to "does a function exist which does X within this specific API". Thus, it is no longer a request for an external resource. I would suggest that you ask a RO to remove the request.
 
@Makyen yes I had misread the question. @NathanOliver corrected me and edited the question. Nathan can you please remove.
 
@Bugs done
 
Thanks
 
afternoon!
ugh, I've been in meetings since 8:30am, I have 30 minutes of free time now for food (1pm), then another meeting until 3pm.
the meme perpetuates
 
5:19 PM
Hello!
 
yo
 
@gunr2171 Ugh
Are they even productive meetings?
(that's an oxymoron, isn't it?)
 
Security training mostly, so yes-ish
 
at least they are hands-on labs for breaking and fixing code
 
5:20 PM
\o
 
I knew it, gunr is breaking all the code
 
yes, but for science!
 
sure...
@SmokeDetector Either cleaver spammer or just bad question asker. I'm leaning towards the latter.
 
5:42 PM
@NobodyNada That is for sure.
 
user1593881
Good morning.
 
yo
 
We currently have 58 active [cv-pls]requests. 45 these have <= 2 close votes. That, generally, indicates people are not going through the active requests and voting. Posting requests only continues to work if people go through the requests and vote. If you are posting requests, please also take the time to evaluate (& vote/not vote) on about >= 4 times more requests than you post.
Basically, for each request you post, you are asking 4 other people to vote on that request. If you vote on 4 times more requests than you post, then you are putting back into this process the same number of votes you are requesting from it. If, on average, we don't maintain parity in the number of votes requested with the number of votes cast, then this process will not succeed for many of the requests posted.
 
@RawN \o That early today (did you do all of your productive work today already)?
 
user1593881
5:47 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ Just got up.
 
user1593881
@πάνταῥεῖ Work yet to be done.
 
@RawN Seems you're starting to lack discipline :-P
 
user1593881
That is correct.
 
user1593881
I guess you can call this a coffee break.
 
user1593881
I did get a call from a recruiter for a job in Munich tho.
 
5:51 PM
@RawN Hey! Cheers
 
user1593881
Thanks, it's a start in the right direction.
 
@RawN I think it's generally better they'll find you than vice versa. But well :-P
Was it via LinkedIn?
 
user1593881
Yes.
 
user1593881
But I did apply for the job on LinkedIn.
 
user1593881
Us without the finite state machine framework under our belt must take the long way round ;)
 
6:00 PM
@RawN FSM framework? Probably because I haven't done FSMs in a job (only in school) or had an embedded systems job, I have yet to find a FSM library that I find clean / easy to use. Basically the best I've found is to use an enum for the states and a couple functions to advance the state and perform actions. Is there a cleaner method? (I tried Boost MSM once and it seems over-complicated :/ )
 
Totally unrelated (?): I recently taught my daughter that. When we're at a restaurant and the waiter asks about the drinks, she usually asks for water. The waiter then asks with gas or plain. She usually replied "I don't care."
I taught her to say "Surprise me please."
That's a load more fun, though she would end up with carbonited water most of the time. But it doesn't matter since she really doesn't care.
 
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@Justin Yes. One of the speakers here has developed their own templated version.
 
@Justin I believe he's relating to STTCL.
 
@Justin Most of the FSM frameworks are state transition table based. Mine isn't ;-)
 
6:06 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ Maybe I'm weird, but I simply don't find it any easier to understand
 
this new pokemon mobile game is insane
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Is yours STTCL?
 
@Justin It's pretty close to Harel State Diagram mappings, and well documented.
@Justin Yes.
 
user1593881
@Justin Yes.
 
user1593881
@πάνταῥεῖ It's all Greek to me. :P
 
6:08 PM
@RawN Just check the demos. It's simple and straightforward.
 
user1593881
@πάνταῥεῖ I did go through it yesterday. How much time did you invest in that?
 
@RawN I think about half a year or so for the core. Then people started asking for more and bug fixes.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Still trying to figure out where the state transitions are defined (in demo1)
 
@Justin What's unclear about changeState()?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Just haven't found changeState() ... (maybe I'm just bad at navigating directories...)
 
6:12 PM
@Justin I'd recommend reading the docs 1st.
 
user1593881
Anyone used Abe Books before? Legit?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I'm too lazy. But now that I've found it, it makes sense. Can't decide whether this is really easier than the enum states with nextState() and mooreActions(), though. Might just be that they are better suited for different cases...
 
@Justin The basic changeState() method implementation can be found here: github.com/makulik/sttcl/blob/master/sttcl/include/…
@Justin "Might just be that they are better suited for different cases..." I tried to cover most of all cases, varying from bare metal to more sophisticated OS.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I'll have to take a closer look at it when I next want to implement a FSM.
 
@Justin Probably a good choice ;-)
 
user1593881
6:38 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ In your experience, does embedded development include field work and travel?
 
user1593881
Or are there technicians for the job? Some sort of commissioning.
 
6:56 PM
@RawN No, not really.
 
@JasonC, Is there a reason that this request and this request were [cv-pls] worthy? The first is >5 years old with activity 7 months ago. The second is >6 years old with activity >2 years ago. Were there rejected edits? Was there some other reason why the normal close-vote queue was not sufficient for these questions?
 
!!/alive
 
@Ferrybig ... did I miss something?
 
@Makyen The link for the second request should have been here, instead I mistakenly linked the question about which the request was posted.
 
7:30 PM
What are people's thoughts on this? stackoverflow.com/a/44187943/6375113 It kind of reads like NAA as they are illustrating a problem with the statement, not a solution but I didn't want to mark as such without someone's opinion.
 
@Bugs eeeeh, meh
it does provide some information
 
@Makyen Dunno, is there some reason the normal close-vote queue isn't sufficient for any question in this entire voting ring operation? shrug
 
7:46 PM
@JanDvorak yeah kind of thought that but was struggling to see what. It's like they want to help but struggled to portrait that. Meh I'll leave it. Won't lose sleep over it.
 
In the end, it's just one flag one way or the other :-D
 
8:04 PM
With a Jon Skeet comment
 
A unicorn Jon Skeet CV in the wild...
 
Jon Skeet doesn't use cv-pls. If he wants it closed the question closes itself.
 
Feel like you're missing something in your life?
Have fun raising Magikarp in Magikarp jump!
seriously this game is adorkable.
You raise a magikarp until it can't become stronger and then it retires.
Or... it gets abducted by a Pidgeotto.
 
What is your view on this question? stackoverflow.com/posts/43980343/revisions It started off as answerable, around rev 3, was then top-edited to include more details, thus making it read in reverse order for new readers, and finally the question is replaced by the answer. Should I wind back to the last non-vandalised state, or vote to close?
 
@JasonC That's also an interesting question. However, as I understand it (see #11), [cv-pls] is, generally, supposed to be reserved for questions where the community benefits from the Q being closed faster than would normally happen if the Q was just put in the CV-queue (or where there's not enough traffic in the tag(s), such that the Q would never be closed). IMO, generally, random old Qs can be handled through the normal CV-queue.
 
8:13 PM
@halfer *Wince*. I would rollback. Even if you want to VTC, I think the question should still be in a usable state
 
@halfer I'd rollback to rev #4
 
Good call @Machavity - I rolled back to rev 4 already :)
Heh, for that OpenCart question, someone has put a close reason of Other: ಠ_ಠ
<giggle>
 
@halfer sigh...will
 
@halfer we all know who...
 
@PetterFriberg (was it bad that I mentioned who?)
 
8:20 PM
I'll be boring and go for TB!
That's a seriously we-are-not-amused emoticon.
 
@halfer I tried to stop him, but yeah Will is Will, we better just look that way <--->
 
Once you get to 100K, you get super-powers, rules for mortals don't apply :-p
 
!!/alive
 
@SmokeDetector del
well, he's dead jim
 
!!/alive
 
8:25 PM
@PetterFriberg It's well known too
 
 
1 hour later…
9:35 PM
Today I finally got more reputation in a day since my association bonus.
 
nice!
 
I just got rate-limited for using Stack Overflow as a user...
 
I hate it when that happens
Wait 5 minutes or so and it should go away
 
That's crazy
 
I have an auto-questions-refresher userscript and it refreshes the SO page for new questions every 5 seconds
 
9:44 PM
I don't understand the reason for the association bonus. Why does noe get reps, just for joining another community? Isn't rep meant to be at least some measure how helpful one is for a specific field?
 
@Olaf It's not a lot of rep; just enough so you can perform basic actions like commenting, upvoting, and flagging
Stack Exchange would be in a lot of trouble from spam without it -- many sites wouldn't even have one Charcoaler with 50 rep, much less almost 6
 
@Olaf If I understand correctly, it's so that you can perform the basic actions on any new site you join
 
@NobodyNada *15 rep, not 50
@JanDvorak FireAlarm can now delete its messages
@Fire say test
 
@NobodyNada I did not mean to say it cannot be helpful. But it is clearly against the idea of reputation as it is meant to be. Said that: I don't think it really does any good. People who are interested in the quality of this site will get repös pretty quick. The rest is not really interested, but can do harm (e.g. commenting, downvoting answers they don't understand (yes, I have this occasionally), etc.).
 
@Fire poof
you can also use del, delete, or remove, and you can pass it one or more message IDs
 
9:49 PM
FR: add ninja'd as an alias :-D
 
Yikes, what sort of edit is this?
 
@Olaf Yes, it really does seem to be a HNQ aid.
 
@NobodyNada best case: a concurrent one
 
@Justin HNQ?
 
@JanDvorak nope
 
9:50 PM
@Olaf Hot Network Questions
(I might be wrong, but I thought people used that acronym)
 
Maybe he TIA'd just to overcome the six-character limit? Probably not either...
 
@JanDvorak Done; should be done updating in ~10 minutes
 
thanks
 
np :)
> Is it real to send it via secrets or configmap or smth. else?
...real?
 
Gah! at smth. It is really so hard to type "something"?
 
10:00 PM
Especially if you're going to put the period at the end
 
10:12 PM
Also with a terrible answer.
 
Sam
10:39 PM
 
11:21 PM
Weird, that off-site resource ASP.net question is from a 32K user.
 
Prepare to be sanitized
 

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