« first day (1250 days earlier)      last day (2573 days later) » 
01:00 - 18:0018:00 - 00:00

6:01 PM
@Nkosi congrats
@rene OK
Well, OP deleted.
 
@Nkosi congrats! And with 30K you can now ... you can ... you ... nothing ....
 
:'( yes I know. I came to that conclusion as well as I cried myself to sleep. lol
 
Ah @Nkosi ye'r back! Congrats
 
@BhargavRao Did i miss much
@BhargavRao checking...
 
I missed you, that flag there is a few days old :p
 
6:08 PM
@BhargavRao I'm still looking over the dupes but the first one was a valid reopen as it was for the wrong reason. checking the others now
 
Ah, Ok.
I'm not sure why c# has the most number of these disputed dupe closures.
 
different interpretations i guess
 
Hmm, might be.
 
second one is a valid reopen as it is more related to javascript. I am sure there IS an actual dupe for this question though.
 
If both are valid actions, then I'm fine. I can clear the flag.
Thanks!
 
6:16 PM
@BhargavRao because I lack an hammer?
 
@BhargavRao ok cool np
 
@rene lazy flowerz, get the hammer soon!
@NobodyNada o/
 
thanks :(
 
@BhargavRao thanks for the migrate of What is the best practice when automating a Drupal to DevOps interestingly we had a very similar question a couple of days back.
I'm losing track of all of the SE sites, I have no idea how you remember them.
 
6:25 PM
@RichardSlater Hey, I don't remember them. :) ... The community flags that, I see if it is valid for the site and then I migrate.
 
Fair point, not thought of it that way.
 
A hammer thou honestly do lack
but a question, to leave extant, is the ultimate in tack.
Rest not on the laurels of thine skills
for the Mjolniring of questions is the highest of thrills.
 
}:-]
 
6:46 PM
@TylerH Bravo, bravo
 
That needs to go in our poetry archive
 
@JarrodRoberson, a tip of the hat to you. :)
o/
 
7:15 PM
@PetterFriberg Sunday NL was slaughtered 6-1 by Japan, today 8-0 by Lithuania. I think we're about to be demoted back to division IIA :P
 
@Adriaan lol, yeah maybe you can match Italy.
 
@PetterFriberg :D
 
actually Italy is not that bad... it just fairly bad.
 
@PetterFriberg Italy's at place 16, we're at 27 :P
 
I like pizza. Oh, wait, you mean soccer.
 
7:18 PM
@JanDvorak hockey*
 
@Adriaan Yeah still wondering why the Dutch are so bad, you are great at skating and land hockey... put the 2 together and you get...
@JanDvorak and pasta?
 
@PetterFriberg a lack of money and available hockey rinks? :)
 
Yeah mostly rinks I guess...
why are mod not nuking that user?
 
I like pasta, too. One of my favorite recipes is gnocchi + chicken + garlic + Parmesan + a bit of spinachi.
 
To be fair, there is a Belgian-Dutch division (used to be separate) with about 10 teams in NL. Not that much, admitted, but at least all the big cities have a rink.
 
7:20 PM
@JanDvorak Time to move south then.. if you like the sun to?
 
Nope. I'm allergic to sweat.
I mean, literally. Please don't star.
 
the struggle is real
must... not... star...
 
@PetterFriberg I raised a flag
 
@PetterFriberg it looks like a case of someone hacking the user's account
he asked a decent question one day and then the next is posting tons of flamebait
 
7:32 PM
@JanDvorak I knew a guy who was allergic to water...
 
@TylerH meeh check on the question, there is a similar answer, strange coincidence?
 
How did he handle hygiene?
 
Wet wipes.
 
Thanks.
 
@JanDvorak I imagine you can wash alcohol-based (aceton etc). I'm more concerned about humans consisting of 70% water en consuming rather a lot of it, as almost every liquid we drink is mostly water
 
7:35 PM
@Adriaan washing in acetone is a really bad idea for humans.
 
@JanDvorak women clean off make-up with that no?
 
probably not 100% acetone. Might be ethanol-based, if I were to guess.
 
@Adriaan yeah
@JanDvorak Nothing is 100 %
 
Wikipedia says acetone causes skin irritation - so certainly not better than water.
 
Vodka it is in that case
 
7:39 PM
... I'll stick to water, thank you.
 
@Adriaan To clean-up your inside?
 
Let's change the topic
 
A reminder for the room (though I am sure it would not be anyone here). The user who posted the question in Jarrod's last report has complained to me about serial downvoting, which occurred in the last 13 minutes. There's 6 serial DVs so they are likely to get reversed. If anyone doesn't know this: up/down voting by user is not cool.
 
Do you think it was somebody from this room?
 
I have advised him to flag for a mod in 24 hours if the script does not catch it.
 
7:46 PM
@JanDvorak Nah, but sanity checks are probably useful from time to time
 
@JanDvorak - I have no reason to think so, other than it was at the same time as the report above. We have a few room newbies, so just making sure.
 
Sometimes you want to go downvote this M.A.R. dude because all he posts is crap
 
Understood, thanks
 
It's a sometimes irresistible force.
 
@halfer I did not dv but since question was asked 25 mins ago I think it's more related to question then this room
 
7:48 PM
@PetterFriberg user did get 6 DVs on 6 different posts within 2 or 3 minutes. Serial for sure
@SmokeDetector not sure. Q looks off to me
 
aah on 6 different sorry I did not get that... I just saw -7 on that on
 
@PetterFriberg, fair enough - he got a furious -7 for his troubles :-(
so that could have triggered a loose cannon!
 
@halfer it was tagged both c++ and node-js the visibile was high and it was clearly off-topic (few CV voters from this room), my guess is that the dv was from the rest of the SO community
 
Probably right, yeah
 
If the serial downvotes originated from a chatroom, it's most likely some other active chatroom full of unsuspecting new users.
Hey CoolDevs, look at this joker: Let's downvote him
That kind of thing
 
7:52 PM
@halfer Multiple people vising the post and cv/dv is not really serial voting. If they had 6 different post all get down down voted then that is serial voting.
We encourage not piling on but there is no problem really with down voting a bad question you see from a cv-pls
 
@halfer If anyone from this room gets warned or suspended because of that incident they violated our room rule to moderate the post, not the user.
 
Do serial downvotes normally cause suspensions?
 
@JanDvorak not that I know off
 
@JanDvorak Nope, but a mod can manually do it
 
Not sure. Probably not for the first time but if you keep doing it I can see it happening.
 
7:54 PM
I think you've misunderstood the above comments Nathan. My mentioning the -7 on one post was merely commentary that the OP had really annoyed voters. But he also got 6 posts DVed within a couple of minutes
 
@JanDvorak I asked BR about that yesterday (or the day before): mods normally don't even step in. They get no notification for the first time a user does this.
 
Anyway, either script or mods will clean it up :-)
 
If an asker is really active, serial downvotes may happen accidentally
 
@halfer OK. I wasn't sure exactly.
 
@halfer I have not understood yet if multiple post or only that one?, if only that one I think it was normal.
 
7:58 PM
Had my first serial correction last week. some body went to town on my profile with upvotes. funny thing is i started to panic. like why so many upvotes. wasnt't sure if the reversal had any negative effect on my account.
sat there watching the time count down to see when the script would do its job.
 
I had serial upvotes push me over 10K. I had to go find something to answer so I could get votes on that to keep 10K as I knew it would get reversed.
 
Well, my friend over at Chem just serially upvoted me to see them get reversed
Sinking the ship to kill the captain . . .
 
same here. that day i was scrambling to make back the reversal so as not to have a negative day. lol OCD
 
@M.A.R. ALL suspensions are manual, except if someone recreates an account after a mod deletes it
 
meeh I try to leave nice comments but I still get serial downvoted :(...
 
8:00 PM
I need to learn python
 
did u lose a bet?
 
How do you loose a bet?
 
typo.
 
No
I am trying to run a job, but it's in python. It's wrapped in a shell script.
 
@Nkosi While you're at fixing things, do fix the txtspk instance, please
 
8:01 PM
I execute shell script in bash, it runs python, completes... and... closes before I can read the message.
 
@M.A.R. you aim high pull the string back and let go
 
so for now my strategy is to manically press PrtScn and paste into paint
 
@halfer Ask the user to contact SE or flag one of their posts for mod attention if it's not reversed.
 
@Compass Have you tried pressing pause?
 
8:02 PM
I've told that user to do it in 24 hours
 
@halfer arrg yeah that's crap!!!!
 
@halfer so (s)he'll have flagged already :P
 
@JanDvorak txtspk? oh opps my bad
 
@Compass I'd rather say you have the joy working in Python. The only language I feel supported by, not slowed down.
 
trying my best to break out of that habit.
 
8:03 PM
@NathanOliver well the output is only on error =w=
 
The sad stuff is, serial downvotes on all posts have a high chance of q-banning the user.
 
it prints error and instantly exits
I understand the basic concepts of python, it seems
 
@halfer I think it will be reversed I had 4 dv the other day, the day after it was reversed
 
@BhargavRao which one? the voter or OP
 
Righto, I had three and it wasn't reversed - don't mind too much though
 
8:05 PM
@Nkosi The OP
 
@Olaf I honestly don't like Python
 
Once I got to 10K I stopped caring about rep so much :-)
 
It feels to me like the language is well designed, but the standard library is not
 
@halfer same here, but at 20k. 1 year to get to 20k, Next 1.5 years to get to 25k.
 
If I have a .py file, how can I execute it and view the output?
I tried command line and it just opened it in bash and blatted it away
so I assume the GUI is what i am looking for =w=
but it takes command line arguments and this is so complicated OWO dives into a bucket of water
 
8:07 PM
@Compass python3 filename.py command line args here
 
@BhargavRao I was like whats the point. (no pun) Skeet level is just going to keep extending. lol
 
Ah, but it's python TWO owo
 
@Nkosi I needed 20k to delete answers, no other reason. :p
 
lol
 
@Compass Upgrade. Don't use obsolete pieces of software.
 
8:09 PM
@BhargavRao Smokey is was in Python 2, but they recently migrated it
and there's a project to rewrite it in Python 3
 
@NobodyNada Blasphemy, I say! Sit down in the comfy chair while we get the soft cushions!
 
@BhargavRao not my code!
 
@NobodyNada Yeah, Undo told that he'll upgrade it to Py3. The rewrite is already in py3, IIRC.
 
I'm a java potato. My stuff is forwards compatible to an excessive extreme!
 
@Compass print should go to the console. Maybe it redirects to /dev/null or a logfile? In that case you should check the code, maybe there's an option to remove the redirection (if the original programmer was clever enough)
 
8:12 PM
so, it does go to console, but I must be running it funny
I open up command prompt, run the shell script, and it opens up bash in its own window, and the console output goes there for python, and then once exit is called bash closes =w=
 
@Compass I converted quite some Java and C# programmers successfully to Python. Simple practicing was sufficient.
 
Let me see if I can get an IDE for this.
 
@Compass Command prompt? Windows?
 
I have no issue with reading the python at the moment, I just want to see the logs X(
yes, windows.
I could use cygwin I guess, but I have to configure that.
 
@Olaf Maybe I'm just spoiled by Swift :p
I love being able to write somestring.components(separatedBy: .whitespaces)
 
8:15 PM
Argh, bad juju! Use Linux if you can. Even that Beginner's desktop stuff "Gnome" is better:-)
 
=w= I know how to use Linux
 
is that a line from the matrix. lol
 
@NobodyNada If that is another way to "Hello world!".split(), it is a bit much to write. :-P
@Compass Why not a native Linux (well, more or less - vitual machine?). Anyway, looks like the shell script is the suspective. It seems to open a new terminal window (or whatever Windows uses), then closes it (or it auto-closes after the program terminated. Any reason for opening a new terminal?
 
Because i don't provide my own machine =w=
 
How should I read that emoticon?
 
8:20 PM
I assume it opens the new window for bash to run the shell script. If it were a .bat, it would probably run it natively.
Exasperation.
light-hearted exasperation.
 
thanks
 
The expression a cat makes when it cannot apply enough emotion to practically solve its problem.
The equivalent of a hooman telling a cat to move off the keyboard. And the cat not moving.
 
i guess if i squint really hard and tilt my head to the left. maybe
 
Could be upside-down ears and whiskers
 
(^=w=^)
Approximate addition of cat ears. = are squinty cat eyes
w = cat mouth
if it were a Western style ascii it would be like :3 only less contentment and more exasperation.
 
8:24 PM
Googleing "cat mouth" finds some very interesting images, BTW
Ξ£: ?
Actually, that works better as ears than as mouth
 
@Olaf Sure, but the goal is to make it clear exactly what's going on. Does split just split on spaces, or also tabs, nbsp's, and the rest of the spaces?
 
(=ο½₯Ο‰ο½₯=)
an oddly specific set of catascii
 
Can some of you look at this vague question: stackoverflow.com/q/43455688/1575353 ?
 
Clarity and safety are the primary goals in Swift. Conciseness comes after, although it's still pretty important. In Objective-C, that line would have been [someString componentsSeparatedByCharactersInSet:[NSCharacterSet whitespaceCharacterSet]];
 
8:29 PM
THAT'S A LOT OF COMMENTS.
 
cv'd
 
nightmarishly short question with nightmarishly long answer
 
@NobodyNada RTFineM, as always. And don't tell me you don't have to in Swift! It defaults to whitespace, etc, but you can pass a different seperator-string, too.
 
@JanDvorak cv'd
 
I think for dinner I will grab a Korean BBQ bowl from
CaliTort
 
8:34 PM
The question applies to the Swift construct, too. As always, picing raisins off the cake is pointless. From my experience, I can tell most programmers can read Python code and understand it's idea quite well, even if they never saw the language before. Of course they have to dig in the docs when it comes to details. For languages of the C syntax-family (which includes Swift, Java, C#, etc.), this is often not true, even within that family once it is more than C-like code.
 
Javascript is pretty readable
 
It's readable if you want it to be
 
@NobodyNada I think we can agree about Objective-C's syntax :-) (not sure abotu C++, which I also find more and more - well - irritating.
 
f=n=>{for(o=0;n--;c?o+=Math.pow(3,s.length-c):o++)s=t(o),c=s.search(2)+1;return t(o);},t=a=>a.toString(3)
 
You can make any language unreadable
 
8:37 PM
@Compass Most Java and C# programmer had eventually agree Python code is easier to comprehend and most times more compact. Most problems they had was with duck-typing.
 
You can try, but you will fail.
Java is inherently "relatively readable."
Even totally smooshed, there's still spaces.
 
@JanDvorak Sure, but I talk about code written by a reasonable being, not a beginner or someone who had too much code-golf.
 
Python is easy to read, even though I don't technically know it.
 
Also, Swift isn't really a C-family language, except that it uses curly braces.
 
8:39 PM
The lack of brackets makes it read like very clean pseudo code.
 
@NobodyNada Well, I saw some Swift code and it is definitively less clear. But I'm not in the mood for a "mine is longer/readabler" contest :-) So let's settle this before we start putting off the firewalls and show bare code.
 
@Olaf Okay :)
 
you know the clearest language of all?
Brain___k
 
@NobodyNada I did not write it is.
 
So clear.
 
8:42 PM
> For languages of the C syntax-family (which includes Swift, Java, C#, etc.) [...]
Unless I misunderstood
 
@Compass Not just that, but the keywords are quite well choosen (although I find "try ... catch" a bit more clear). Note that Python has changed a lot from 2 to 3, with a lot of old wood cut out without regarding compatibility.
 
# You can make any language unreadable, even Ruby
require 'base64'
require 'zlib'
eval Zlib.inflate Base64.decode64 "eJwrKC0pVlDKSy1LLVJIz8/LS1RIzyxLVajML1UoLVDiAgC2RQrb\n"
 
And the introspection features and meta-programming are definitively bejond what Java, C#, C++ or Swift provide.
@JanDvorak That about lowering the pants firewalls
 
@Olaf That's true, for sure -- it gets that from being interpreted. Although I'm not sure how it compares to Ruby though
 
Don't worry, the code is completely safe
 
8:46 PM
@Olaf I think that "meta-programming are ... [beyond] what ... C++ ... provide[s]" depends on what you are looking for in the meta-programming
 
@JanDvorak Oh no there was an eval there?
I didn't even see the eval; I just copied and pasted thinking it was Zlib.inflate Base64.decode64 ...
...why do you need the eval anyway?
 
@NobodyNada Yes. And it does use C-like syntax (of which brackets are a major visual part). Another would be Pascal-like, which includes e.g. Oberon and Ada, altrhough they have some very different constructs.
 
I wanted to execute the inflated code.
 
@Justin Metaclasses for instance: classes which define how classes are constructed. See enumerations in Python for a good example.
 
Yes, metaclasses are nice.
 
8:48 PM
Objective-C had that sort of thing...but it was horrifying
 
However, C++ metaprogramming has things that Python never will. Mostly just performance based metaprogramming
 
Obj-C was literally just a runtime library combined with some syntactic sugar for C.
 
@NobodyNada ?
 
Metaprogramming that generates the exact same (or almost the same) assembly using a cleaner interface is where C++'s metaprogramming belongs in my opinion.
 
Most people never get to that point. Too bad, they allow basically to change the language itself in large aspects (in combination with other features). Tht makes Python a great alternative for e.g. DSLs.
 
8:49 PM
@JanDvorak Objective-C was just C + a runtime library and some syntactic sugar
 
The syntax doesn't resemble C to me very much.
 
@JanDvorak That syntax is just the syntactic sugar
 
@NobodyNada That was definitively not what Python provides in that field! No comparison. (and didn't we already agree not to mention ObjC?)
 
@JanDvorak If you don't believe me, read this article
 
@JanDvorak Objective-C is 100% standard C compliant. The rest is indeed just preprocessing. Similar as C++ once was, but C++ split a looooooong time ago - whatever Stroustrup once wrote.
@Justin What would that be? (Functionality, I dont discuss C++ vs. Python wrt performance).
@Justin That's a matter of the implementation. We should tell the language from the implementation, otherwise we end up at gas' macro language and m4.
 
8:56 PM
@Olaf e.g. what range v3 is trying to do. Abstractions with literally no performance hit (that's what I was meaning). That's the type of metaprogramming that interests me.
Ignoring that, I don't think that python's metaprogramming lacks anything that C++ has
Maybe function overloading
 
@Justin That example about comprehensions is awful to read, especially compared with Python. I don't see the part about performance, but as I wrote you are comparing apples and oranges.
And they are not meta-programming, but functional programming. Which is a matter of opinion by itself already.
@Justin C++ just cannot provide the amount of meta-programming as Python. Python is strictly dynamically typed, including monkey-patching. C++ as a statically typed language just can't support monkey-patching, nor that amount of meta-classes.
 
compile time or no time ;)
 
Let along the syntax of C++ is just not well suited for all those features; it gets bloated and more complicated from one version of the standard to the next.
 
@Olaf I don't think I explained myself well. Range v3 is about functional programming, yes. That wasn't what I meant to talk about. I was simply meaning to say that C++ allows you to use metaprogramming to write zero cost abstractions. For most other purposes, python's metaprogramming is more expressive.
 
9:07 PM
@Justin But we just talked about meta-programming. It's like talking about a car and you show a computer, saying "that one is much faster". :-)
Anyway, I need an apple. Anyone has an orange?
@Justin Higher abstractions are never at zero-cost. That's one reason python is clearly slower than C++ than C than assembly. But nowadays, the execution speed is often not relevant (the hardware is fast enough), so we can use higher abstractions.
 
No oranges here, but I've got some apples
 
I have very different requirements in my projects. On the PC performance is almost never an issue, so I can use a high-abstraction and comfy language: Python. On embedded I prefer C plus Python-based code generators (also a kind of meta-programming) where appropriate as DSL. Works fine.
@JanDvorak Compares equal enough ...
Anyway, nice discussion! I need a movie and some sleep. Bye & good night!
 
@Olaf Goodnight!
 
@Justin: I hope you don't feel bad about my last comments; that's just my way. I really enjoyed talking!
 
No hard feelings; I just disagree. I enjoyed it to @Olaf
 
user4639281
9:16 PM
@Olaf Just use JavaScript and be done with it
 
@TinyGiant NO!
 
user4639281
:P
 
WAY!
 
/me gets a whisky and watches the punch-up :-)
 
user4639281
Some people just don't want to use the best programming language known to man
 
9:17 PM
@TinyGiant Malbolge?
 
user4639281
You seem to have mistyped JavaScript. It's spelled J-a-v-a-S-c-r-i-p-t. :P
 
@TinyGiant ECMA? What?
 
@TinyGiant 𝓙π“ͺ𝓿π“ͺ
 
user4639281
@Machavity Or that
 
user4639281
@Justin almost funny :P
 
9:25 PM
IMO it is funny :P
 
9:44 PM
@rene I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
What's the best close vote reason for "Please give me the codez" questions or code dumps? Specifically I'm thinking of stackoverflow.com/questions/43598241/… .
 
I usually pick unclear or too broad depending on the wording
 
@vaultah Thanks
 
user4639281
10:03 PM
@Justin If the question is too broad, close it as too broad. If it is unclear, close it as unclear. A question asking for code does not make it off-topic.
 
user4639281
10:21 PM
@Justin In the case of that specific question, I would have gone with VLQ
 
@TinyGiant You're saying flag as VLQ? There's no close as VLQ unless I use a custom close reason
 
user4639281
@Justin Yeah, I would have flagged it as VLQ. That is complete and utter unarguable garbage that the community cannot get rid of fast enough.
 
user4639281
Fairly obviously a troll posting it.
 
10:43 PM
o/
 
@BaummitAugen o/ ?
 
user4639281
o/ = wave
 
user4639281
\o = wave back
 
\o/
 
user4639281
10:44 PM
\o/ = hands in the air (yay)
 
user4639281
/o\ = hand stand
 
user4639281
\o/
-0- = spider
/o\
 
|o| = o
 
user4639281
or something. It looks kind of like a spider, but with the wrong number of legs
 
Too slow...
 
10:46 PM
\o/
=0= = spider
/o\
FTFY
 
user4639281
 
user4639281
@Justin there it is
 
@TinyGiant No. |o| = o. Thus we know that o >= 0. Just a statement regarding a number
 
////(::::)\ = spider
 
user4639281
@Justin β€”-|{([0])}|-β€” = something(?)
 
11:00 PM
@TinyGiant - actually I have a picture of a spider that I'd like to sell to you, and that probably doesn't have the right number of legs either
 
user4639281
@halfer I'll buy it... if you throw the golden gate in free
 
The picture of the spider will cost $233.95
 
user4639281
@halfer That is just too damn funny
 
:)
It is easy to waste several hours on his website
 
user4639281
I am commencing that now
 
11:09 PM
\o/
 
user4639281
11:37 PM
@halfer I'm blaming you for my sudden lack of productivity... right now... to my boss...
 
Tee hee
Right, it's late here (00:38) so ... night all
 
user4639281
@halfer night
 
11:51 PM
@Compass ROFL
tears. it hurts. can't stop laughing.
I guess I don't have to wonder any more.
@Compass I wonder now what the forward version looks like
 
@Compass ROFL again. lol
alright that literally made my day.
 
01:00 - 18:0018:00 - 00:00

« first day (1250 days earlier)      last day (2573 days later) »