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12:00 AM
@QPaysTaxes That user won't stay very long anyways it feels ...
 
And I want to vote to close and delete this. *fulfills own desires* — Alexander O'Mara 31 secs ago
 
@QPaysTaxes They crowd up at quora for whining ...
@QPaysTaxes Sure, you're one of the good guys.
 
@AlexanderO'Mara's comment makes the post deserve another screenshot
 
no need to pile on please...
 
12:40 AM
May the upvoter mind to explain why upvoting a clearly off-topic question? — πάντα ῥεῖ 50 secs ago
 
12:56 AM
I've seen "Video Converter" in spam before, so it's quite a coincidence if it's not spam. But if that post is spam, it's convoluted and ineffective as an advertisement.
 
night, Closey is still watching, careful...
 
Good luck.
 
1:12 AM
@NobodyNada Sure?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ look at the revision history
 
@NobodyNada Okey
 
1:40 AM
Morning!
 
Morning @AshishAhujaツ!
 
@Nobody do you mind coming in the testing room to start up the bot if you have time?
 
Sure
 
1:41 AM
thx
 
2:00 AM
Le sigh Someone comments on my answer "Yes that worked"... why not just upvoting?
enough to post a comment?
 
2:14 AM
@Braiam People run out of votes from time to time, ya know ...
 
@AlexanderO'Mara Remove the website, and it looked like an answer, not spam.
 
Hmm, spam or no?
Anyone else got an opinion?
 
It wasn't immediately obvious, but with that unnecessary web link removed, it didn't matter becaues it became just an answer.
 
@AlexanderO'Mara to me it looks like spam, but not 100% sure
 
Even if the author intended it as spam, it's ineffective as such without the link.
Of course, it got five spam-flag downvotes between when I started editing it and when I clicked submit, that definitely changes things.
Guess I just like to give people benefit of the doubt.
 
2:19 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ umm... just shy 2 hours from UTC day?
 
@AlexanderO'Mara it's !!/rmblu
 
Okay, now the mods are going to come investigate an edit war going on in a spam answer. ;)
 
Well, just got deleted.
IDK if we did the right thing.
 
2:21 AM
Shog's advice: if you don't know just flag as spam
 
I've always heard that if you could edit out the link and it becomes an answer, that's better than flagging.
@Braiam Do you have a link to this?
 
@RyanBemrose can't find it but it was around this meta.stackexchange.com/questions/234032/…
maybe in The tavern
 
No one is interested in meta these times anymore:
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Q: PHP CMSs vs DotNetNuke

JinaI need your help please to decide,a client want me to create for his company a website with DotNetNuke but I didn't found a good documentation on it like the other PHP CMSs,plus,I am a web Developper(I work currently with angularJS),if I accept to work with this CMS is this good for my profile as...

^ This already survived 19 minutes by now.
 
2:47 AM
Goodnight!
 
@NobodyNada Night!
 
@NobodyNada Ein strammes german N8
 
 
2 hours later…
5:03 AM
Plop morning!
 
@Kyll Grumble. May be coffee is needed ...
@Kyll Morning
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Oh yes it is. It's 7 in the morning here
 
@Kyll Same here (Rosenheim, Bavaria, Germany)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Nice (Tours, Centre Val de Loire, France)
 
@Kyll Bonne Matine
 
5:13 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ Extreme south then?
@πάνταῥεῖ Hahaha, that actually sounds religious
 
@Kyll My french is poor to be honest :)
@Kyll Yes, very extreme south, near the austrian border.
 
In the morning we go for "bonjour" (somewhat literally "good day"), there's no direct equivalent of "good morning" that I know of
Now let me drink some of that coffee
 
@Kyll ummm youtube.com/watch?v=zGNVU5ZjlgA - first bit it looks like he's actually trying to smuggle rene... :p
 
@Kyll I like mine plain black (not brown, that's important) ;-) ...
 
@JonClements Curse my age, I have no idea what this is from
 
5:20 AM
@JonClements smuggle rene?? Though I'm a big fan of the vid.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ In the morning I often drink what I call candy coffee at first - lotsa milk and sugar. Then plain black and delicious for the rest of the day.
 
@Kyll Kinda cliché for french. A big bowl of milk & coffee + a croissant stipped in as breakfast.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ No croissant today... But yeah, definitely! It's perfect for breakfast
 
@Kyll I'm more after the Serge Gainsbourg style. Black coffee & cigarette (no filter)
 
5:26 AM
You were talking about clichés? =p
 
5:45 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ pst
do you want lines?
@πάνταῥεῖ On that HACK language post, disengage. It was caught by the bee =p
k?
 
Hey again!
 
6:20 AM
@Rohit BTW, there are these things with that fantastic haptic experience and unbeatable persistence called BOOKS. — πάντα ῥεῖ 2 mins ago
:)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ \o/
 
@AshishAhujaツ I'm not experienced with emojis. What does \o/ actually stands for?
 
\o/ stands for lol, which is laugh out loud
 
@AshishAhujaツ LOL I know, why not saying LOL?
Or even better ROFL?
 
Because \o/ looks cooler than lol :p
 
6:26 AM
@AshishAhujaツ And none of the old farts knows it, be honest :P
@AshishAhujaツ From the picture it looks more like arms up and cheers
 
@πάνταῥεῖ it even looks like an alien with one eye instead of the mouth, and head slanting upwards :p
gotta go now
 
Got migrated if anyone cares to dupe: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/329248/…
 
6:46 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ Looks... fine, scope-wise
At least from my non-proficient eyes in that specific tech
Sure, it could use some edits
 
@Kyll It's blatanly too broad actually
 
What if it said which specific class it intends to use?
Like QtWidgetButton or something
 
@Kyll MCVE of an attempt would be the minimum expectation
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Quality-wise, maybe. Scope-wise, no.
It can help providing details about the implementation (for example, what class should be used) but is not a requirement per se
There's a Meta I always lose about that, hold on...
looks right
looks left
 
@Kyll The people don't want to see efforts? That's new to me
 
6:50 AM
looks up
no RO
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Q: Is there really a universal code requirement?

AaronLSOn a question asking for an approach to solving a programming problem such as this one the user is not asking it as a "gimme teh codez" (as far as I interpret it). So I don't interpret it as being too broad. Maybe that's their hope, but I've been able to effectively help people without writing...

@πάνταῥεῖ Lack of effort is not a scope issue but a quality one
Quality should be measured with upvotes and downvotes, not closure
 
@Kyll And I've asking for because of low quality, so we're at this point again.
VLQ isn't close wotrhy??
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Well yeah except close votes are not the designed answer to quality issues
The designed answer are downvotes
Now there's another issue I just saw:
> Please tell me about all possible ways to do that.
Yeah that's too broad. Voted xD
But again: Lacking a (broken) code example is not a scope issue whatsoever and should not be treated with close votes
brb moving to somewhere more comfortable
 
Most probably spam.
VTC the whole thing, doesn't look useful.
Definitely a spammer.
 
7:26 AM
Am I the only one who really don't like the docs?
 
You are not alone.
 
It seems all crap. Broken design, attracts rep-farmers, spills MSO ...
You're not alone, really not.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Also that the reputation goes into the main site is really bad I feel like.
 
@Rizier123 Rep, has gone meaningless since the last 3 days. Let's face it, we're screwed up :(
@Rizier123 The only good thing I can say about it, is that all the rep-wh**res will scrimmage up there, and won't bother us when working on the main site.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Yup. There will be so much copy pasting from the main site and useless duplicate data. Everyone wants to farm the rep... I don't want to even look into the docs, because it will probably be worse than I think.
 
7:40 AM
@JarrodRoberson got it
 
@rene What's your opinion about docs so far?
 
("flower" is not an option as opinion @rene :)
@Kyll Plop!
 
Plop Rizier :D
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I have mixed feelings. I think we need to moderate that fast to prevent it becomes like the first 1000 questions on SO and/or like a full year of NPR
I'm not sure which one is worse
 
I should have said em si sihT ursi a silva leaned on esperanto :)
 
7:46 AM
@Braiam This may be sound advice for normal (lack of a better word) users, but it applies poorly to this room. A misguided spam flag raises the declined count of a user, misguided spam flags from this room can destroy an innocent post.
 
@rene I don't even know how to moderate that shit. I don't know what my privileges are. All you can do is mostly upvote examples, and ka-ching :-P ...
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Trash talk belongs in the trash room! :p
 
@πάνταῥεῖ you can review and reject
 
@Kyll Well, we are all actively moderating the site. We should know how to do this, shouldn't we?
 
[Rizier123](http://stackoverflow.com/users/3933332/rizier123) cleans up the room
→ Moves [Kyll](http://stackoverflow.com/users/4174897/kyll) to [The Ministry of Silly Hats](http://chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/92764/the-ministry-of-silly-hats)
 
7:49 AM
I try to leave the looks good OK and mostly reject
 
@rene I know, seems least people do this actually.
 
@Rizier123 Well tried, sir, but formatting doesn't work on multiline messages =p
 
@πάνταῥεῖ yeah, that is what we need to establish: on doubt: reject
The good thing is that I review in my own area expertise (not claiming I'm an expert but you get what I mean)
 
Also I'm afraid the example concept is badly broken. Good documentation doesn't live from examples (these are just the cream and cherry topping), but from reliable information and detailed description of API's and stuff.
@rene Yeah, I didn't really start to review the c++ section yet.
 
I'm back!
 
7:58 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ I'm not sure I agree with that. If I assume Documentation is still in the scope of SO as an site for practical programming problems, it should rather focus on the API usage (and examples are at its core, at least for me) and only describe what is unclear from the official docs or describe typical usage scenario's that aren't obvious from the docs.
@πάνταῥεῖ you really should. Your 30 daily rejects are needed
@AshishAhujaツ insert all previous puns here
 
@rene I'm not yet comfortable enough to chime in.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ neither am I but without testing that part we can never say if it works. We need high-reps and people who know their stuff to test this and give reasonable feedback on meta
I've seen the first I want to lynch talk to the reviewer who rejected my edit on meta ...
We need some meta posts with answers that explain to people what is acceptable and what not
That can only be established by the users that already got their feet dirty on main
 
@rene I know we have to at some point of time, but it sucks so much dealing with those rep-w (y'all now) directly. Don't want to get my hands (feet) into that dirt.
 
Ok, I'll stop pushing you :)
 
@rene I'll have my time coming soon, be assured. Just waiting for the tides coming down.
 
8:08 AM
!>apiquota
hmm, EditMonitor is dead
there we go again
 
!>apiquota
 
@AshishAhujaツ 9999
 
that is expected
 
Didn't it make any api calls till now? Or was it dead from the morning?
 
I guess so
 
8:18 AM
f?
 
8:28 AM
@AshishAhujaツ Dead link...
 
@Kyll ah. Didn't bother to check the link
 
Missing "o" in "cssarrowplease.com"?
 
@NisseEngström Ah, yes
Not spam then
 
!>apiquota
> Remaining battery charge below limit on UPS VOLTORB. Doing shutdown.
@gunr2171 ^ your server is having a problem
 
8:44 AM
Oh well, I just came to know about the Aho-Corasick Algorithm. Never had heard about it before
 
@queen You seem to work busy only for @tunaki, don't you like me?
@queen I like you though ...
^ experimenting
 
@πάνταῥεῖ you can ask them in SOCVfinder room, where the NLP is enabled. You will get surprising answers..
 
@AshishAhujaツ When I first said "You're a nice bot" she responded just nicely ;) ...
 
@AshishAhujaツ Queens AI seems limited, nothing surprising.
 
8:53 AM
@que add [c++]
 
?
@que alive
crash?
it's dead in SOCVfinder also
 
Although it claims it already sends c++ it actually never did
 
hmm.. Maybe there was not a single c++ dupe? queen cannot be wrong O_o
 
I think after @NathanOliver opted out it seems to have disabled and the add command of @tuna didn't have effect
@AshishAhujaツ no c++ dupes? You must be kidding ...
 
@rene computers are always very accurate. Maybe there wasn't a dupe because everyone went to docs to get rep :P
 
8:57 AM
That is true
 
I admit that I myself contributed one example, but that was in a tag there wasn't a single example before.
 
@rene She's already aware and working, I was just experimenting a bit as mentioned.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ you mean that you opted out?
or never opted in?
 
@AshishAhujaツ Nope, I'm opted in. But notifications for [c++] from queen are actually rarer than others. I think it's nothing very surprising.
 
9:02 AM
I'm lurking at the [c++] newest question queue anyways ...
 
9:22 AM
@rene I'd like to subscribe smokey for this room plase.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ run the command:
 
@AshishAhujaツ Which?
 
!!/notifyme 41570 stackoverflow.com
!!/commands
 
@AshishAhujaツ I'm SmokeDetector, a bot that detects spam and offensive posts on the network and posts alerts to chat. A command list is available here.
 
!!/notifyme 41570 stackoverflow.com
 
9:23 AM
magic?
 
The command page mentions this command
 
@rene Awaiting
 
@AshishAhujaツ yes, but that is not where it is for :D
 
I'm too lazy reading it seems
 
!!/notifyme 41570 stackoverflow.com-
?
 
9:26 AM
Yelp?
 
Oh. It's notify not notifyme :P
!!/notify 41570 stackoverflow.com
 
@AshishAhujaツ You'll now get pings from me if I report a post on stackoverflow.com, in room 41570 on chat.stackoverflow.com
 
@πάνταῥεῖ run ^
!!/unnotify 41570 stackoverflow.com
 
@AshishAhujaツ I will no longer ping you if I report a post on stackoverflow.com, in room 41570 on chat.stackoverflow.com
 
@AshishAhujaツ Trying again
!!/notify 41570 stackoverflow.com
 
9:27 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ You'll now get pings from me if I report a post on stackoverflow.com, in room 41570 on chat.stackoverflow.com
 
@AshishAhujaツ THX
Sorry for lazy reading the docs.
 
anytime :)
 
@SmokeDetector sd thank you
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I have a PR here, that is pending a pull and re-deploy
 
9:30 AM
@rene "the one with the crazy characters in their name" Tell that to any real greek. I'd guess they'll take you on a serious sirtaki.
 
sure ;)
 
@rene Are you french BTW?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I didn't want to test the full-UTF8 support of the tool-stack smokey is running on
 
@πάνταῥεῖ he's from Netherland
 
That ^
 
9:35 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ you're now even privileged. The PR by rene has been merged
if you want, you can create an account on metasmoke so that you can even help review posts on MS.
 
@AshishAhujaツ Have to get dwelled with that 1st, THX for appreciating me and giving the hints.
@AshishAhujaツ I'd like to be a farmer in netherland, tulips or such ;-) ...
 
@πάνταῥεῖ if you ever farm in netherland, be sure to gift me a few special rene flowers.. ;)
 
Tulipalize it ...
@AshishAhujaツ These look like Jasmin, though very pixelized ...
^ Come from Egypt mainly ...
@rene ?
@AshishAhujaツ "metasmoke" sounds nice in this context BTW :-D ...
 
10:00 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ I'm looking up earlier exchanges on that
 
Wow, I'm beginning to draw hope. Three non documentation meta questions in a row: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions
@rene eager to know it.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ here is a clearer one: i.stack.imgur.com/lUL6L.jpg and belongs in this family: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranunculus
 
@rene Ah, yes I know these. Jasmine just looks similar: colourbox.com/preview/2064410-blossom-bush-of-jasmine.jpg
 
10:54 AM
Power went out 2 hours ago @ProgramFOX
 
Freakin UPS woke me up, it is 6am right now
 
Hiya
 
@Tunaki Hey!
 
Hi. Not staying on long, need to preserve battery
 
10:56 AM
@gunr2171 o/
 
@rene no there were C++ reports
not much, maybe it is the week-end effect
 
11:17 AM
someone is digging old dupes...
 
Woah! soo many reports
 
@gunr2171 use DHL next time?
 
^ Ha ha ha...
 
As I mentioned, queen mainly works for tunaki.
 
11:26 AM
No problem though ...
@queen And she's so sweet :-) ...
 
@queen list tags
baaah disabled
 
@queen drop honey ...
 
why are so many queen commands disabled here?
 
list tags shouldn't be... weird
 
@AshishAhujaツ Because we don't want to fill the transcript with noise
 
11:35 AM
But then other bots like closey have commands also like membership which take a lot of place when executed. They aren't disabled, are they?
 
Yes, doesn't mean I like how we implemented that ...
 
Wrong way addressing me silly:
I guess you don't understand what novice or noob means. It means I am just a beginner, with very little knowledge of C++ code or any coding in general. I am not familiar with these terms you are using or even the Xcode compiler. I appreciate your input but you have to use simpler terms or walk me through things, like I said I am just a beginner! — Zjm4192 12 mins ago
Am I bad ass? Please answer yes!
 
@πάνταῥεῖ please do not link to user profiles
 
Badass? No. Bad ass? Yes.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ yes, just keep it towards the post. Ignore personal attacks
 
11:42 AM
Okey, I'm bad ass
 
The question ain't exactly great either, though.
 
That is true ^
 
@JanDvorak The question is chthonic
 
@πάνταῥεῖ yeah, and we rather don't like to do that. Just to prevent that we are called out for hunting users instead of posts. And keep the full comment links also to a minimum but you can ask how to proceed if you have left a couple of comments.
We try to be very careful from this room
So not everything goes
 
@rene I'll keep in mind for future. That just looked funny enough to bring it up.
 
11:47 AM
We. Hate. Fun.
 
@JanDvorak I well know that principle :) ...
 
Nov 9 '15 at 15:28, by gunr2171
Room Owners: ruining your fun since 2014.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ sure, no harm done I think.
 
@AshishAhujaツ ™
 
Hiya all, @que list tags
 
11:54 AM
@PetterFriberg In this room these tags are available:
 
Hey there @Petter :)
how are your vacations going?
 
@PetterFriberg o/
 
@PetterFriberg Hi
 
@SmokeDetector k another post by the same user with same link was reported on different site
 
There are more bad at the same question
 
11:57 AM
is it really spam?
 
I'm back home end of vacation.. but it has been great with some really nice diving
 
@Tunaki Flagged VLQ
 
@PetterFriberg nice :)
 
@Tunaki it has a history of spam. Same user had just now posted an answer on magento SE with same link
 
so they are misguided
 
11:59 AM
MS search shows many posts with that same link marked as tpu-
 
meh, the questions he has answered are unclear
 
@Tunaki May be I need more lurking :( ...
 

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