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6:00 PM
brb, going to my sock drawer :)
 
After 3, it is corrected. But 2 even very very close in time aren't.
 
I have had 2 reversed before
 
Lucky you!
 
@NathanOliver Your lack of faith is disturbing
>:-)
@gunr2171 T_T
 
6:02 PM
don't worry, I'm not going to actually do it :)
 
@TylerH I have faith you will have the rep when the 2 day wait is over
 
> > Even 1 minute is a lot no matter how many tabs you have... When you say tab-heavy profile, what are we talking about, high dozens, low hundreds, more?
> Around 1k
Who's that crazy ^?
 
bookmarks gunr's info just in case
 
@Undo hehe
 
NOOOOO!!!
 
6:02 PM
@Braiam Mogs does like 30-40
 
@Braiam I sometimes get a hundred tabs open
usually more like 40 - 60 though
 
a hundreds?!
 
how?!?! why??!?!
 
WHY WOULD YOU EVER DO THAT
 
10 tabs for me is too much
 
6:03 PM
I like to read...
 
do you like to click the > and < buttons to scroll to your tabs?
Or... do you have a 4 meters long monitor?
 
READING IS HARMFUL FOR THE HEALTH OF YOUR POOR BROWSER
 
wut
 
I like to read, and I at most have 6 tabs open about that
 
My tabs. Going over a hundred is very usual, but I've read most of the things I wanted to read lately.
 
6:05 PM
in fact, what the heck I'm doing chatting with you all
@Kyll I see porn!
 
@Tunaki I use the middle mouse button to scroll through them
 
@Braiam That would be very surprising. Unless you're talking about Selenium, which yes is nerd porn
 
Accueil pole emploi :p
 
@Kyll who's talking about your tabs?
:P
 
Do 6 recommend delete votes actually delete an answer or does it go to a mod to approve?
 
6:07 PM
@NathanOliver Move to a mod queue
 
@NathanOliver unless it has net positive votes, it gets deleted
 
@NathanOliver ^
 
otherwise, why are we showing folk those
 
Thanks @Braiam
 
what about me? :(
 
6:08 PM
Thanks @Tunaki
 
\o/
 
@Tunaki Have a Waffle for the up arrow
 
@Tunaki The actual frightening tab is on the left - Category theory
 
flags Tuna answer as NAA
 
6:08 PM
@NathanOliver deletes immediately
 
@NathanOliver ... ^^^^^^^^^^^
 
In some cases, moderators get 'disputed LQP review' flags, but if it's consensus-delete then it gets deleted
 
@and 11 Waffles for @Kyll
 
\o/
 
@Undo thanks
 
6:11 PM
Good morning!
 
\o
blame the q
 
What?
 
asking for off site resource
 
^^ And that is?
 
this guy's a spammer
 
6:12 PM
Screw that, nuke these posts
 
remember, don't moderate the user
 
that is becoming shady
more invalidated feedback
 
user has been nuked
 
The first one was also spam because the answer was free themes, while the Q asked for links to documentation
 
Both spam flags marked helpful
@Tunaki Not for me =p
 
6:14 PM
@gunr2171 yeah, who thought of addressing the problem at its source, eh? :-P
 
:)
 
@TylerH how do you manage your "reading list"? I use pocket for example, since I can keep a single list and can read off line in my phone
 
I use pocket as well but not very often for reading because theres no way to get to the reading list without adding something to it\
 
@Tunaki That brings you to 1.58%. :P
 
6:15 PM
So usually I just leave stuff open in tabs and go through from newest to oldest whem I read them
 
I use Safari's reading list
 
Well I prefer an f invalidated to a k than the opposite
 
This guy on the phone keeps saying "and otherwise than that" and its slowly killing me to death
 
@Tunaki Shouldn't your feedback appear on metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/30080 ? Or was it cleared?
 
already cleared yes
Still NAA right? stackoverflow.com/a/37582459/1743880 <-- deleted from review, undeleted by OP and edited a bit
 
6:21 PM
Looks like it should be a comment to me
 
yep, NAA
 
Can they undelete again if it goes through the queue again?
 
@NathanOliver It won't. Straight to mods. A system flag was raised when they undeleted anyway.
 
@Tunaki Not sure. I'm not a topic expert, but it does look like he's adding a little bit of useful info that applies to that question on Linux systems. True, his answer is a bit too chatty / anecdotal, and that info could be in a comment to the main answer; OTOH, important information can get buried in comments.
 
6:27 PM
@PM2Ring What information is the user adding. The answer already says to do what he did and he is saying that was the key for him.
I suppose we could edit the answer to make that part bold so people pay attention to it
 
@PM2Ring "important information can get buried in comments." then you edit it into the answer
 
Should be wrong random ping... flies away
 
What do you do about a question like this? I feel a downvote is warranted, but closure? Too broad? Unclear? POB?
 
@NathanOliver Ah, right. I didn't catch that on my quick skim. In that case, it's definitely a waste of space.
 
Agree
 
6:29 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis Seems like a fine question
I'd upvote and answer
 
@JacobGray Is it no repo. From the comment of the OP it does affect webkit browsers.
 
OP just doesn't understand how Java works
 
And we're going to explain how Java works?
 
@NathanOliver Both me and another user tried it in webkit browsers, and it works fine, on windows and mac
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis no, just how this specific part of it works
 
6:31 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis Sure. You feed it garbage and it collects it ;)
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis there should be a dup for something like that somewhere
 
@JacobGray OK. Not a webdev so it all gobly gook to me
 
@NathanOliver It's no mcve even if it is repro-able :-)
 
I'm going with that
 
I think it's completely too broad.
 
6:33 PM
then vtc as that.
 
Yeah, yeah.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis that's the thing, are experts really required to answer that question?
 
Required? No. But imo this question has no purpose here.
You have to talk about language design, talk about type inference, talk about historical background, talk about polymorphism.
 
soo... it's too broad. good
VTC, move on :)
 
Not necessarily. You could give a much more brief explanation considering the knowledge level of the asker
Anyway, yes, vote how you feel and move on :-)
 
6:39 PM
I've now voted how I feel and moved on.
 
so I was going to start a web development project today, turns out that the WAMP website is down. Might have to do some reviewing on SO instead for the time being..
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis If experts are not required to answer the average questions, you will have to question yourself, what they find here that can make them stay?
 
inb4 someone starts singing let it go
 
we're still in spray'n'pray?
or are there tags?
 
I forget what we are working on
 
6:41 PM
hold on
 
@Braiam I've moved on.
 
is one of them
 
where's closey when you need it
 
in SOCVR Testing Facility, 23 secs ago, by Closey
@rene The next 10 tags are: 1337, 34, 30, 29, 27, 25, 22, 22, 21, 20
 
@NathanOliver shakes fist at ping
 
6:45 PM
3 messages moved to Trash can
 
taking excel and gonna drop the rest onto vb.net
 
OK, great!
 
@Andy oops. That was a typo. Sorry. Here is a Waffle for your frustration
 
@Braiam That reminds me of a current SO Meta question... ;)
 
@NathanOliver I'm placated by waffles.
 
6:48 PM
blinking is cleared for me as well
 
@Andy Oh well here is a couple more then. Do you want the special Canadian maple syrup?
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [debian] [apt] [dpkg]"
 
@NathanOliver Where else are you going to get real syrup?
 
I don't know if you good people saw this question; it's so bad that it's hilarious. If there were a competition for all-time worst question on SO, this would be a serious contender: you help me! you help me. And for those under 10k, here's a screenshot
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@Andy I've had good syrup from Maine
wow
 
6:50 PM
Thanks to global trade, you can get real syrup pretty much anywhere
 
@PM2Ring err... why I'm not even surprised, ah right, it's Thursday
 
Even for a Thursday last-minute homework question it's exceptionally sucky. :)
 
You can always try ... something ...
 
Hey tomorrow's a payday
 
@TylerH bi-weekly pay?
 
6:55 PM
is that "passed audit" still a thing?
 
@NathanOliver yes
 
> Alternatively, where is the best place to hire a programmer for a solution?
 
@Vogel612 not while Closey is away
 
hmm... makes sense..
 
@PM2Ring Amazing, thanks for sharing
 
6:56 PM
not sure is removing that and close it as too broad, or leaving that and close it as "resources request"
 
why the heck audits tried to sell me a question under the excel filter is a mystery though
 
@Vogel612 lol
 
@Vogel612 audits are too naive
 
i.imgflip.com/156sm6.jpg <-- the truth about audits
3
 
@Kyll My pleasure. After seeing stuff like that, the usual bad question don't look quite so bad after all. :)
 
6:57 PM
I practically always skip audits, and not because I discover that they are audits, but because I have no idea why the heck I'm seeing those questions
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 5 hours to continue reviewing.
 
The reason we have the problem with audits is because we are actually paying attention
 
> implying that Braiam never pays attention
 
@TylerH I'm not saying it's audits, but it's audits.
 
Sam
lol
 
7:07 PM
I don't even... have they run out of audits in the tags that are getting culled?
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 4 hours to continue reviewing.
didn't even get beyond excel
 
Excel: Databases for dummies.
 
A scary proportion of small businesses run using a maze of Excel spreadsheets and Word documents for (almost) all their data management needs, with tons of mindless manual data entry and copying because they can't afford anything better, or they simply just don't know any better.
 
A scary proportion of small businesses run using a maze of Excel spreadsheets and Word documents [...]
 
So true
 
@Rizier123 I added you to the "Meta and Documentation" team on the github org. We also made a new repository for the new FAQ site. Feel free to get that up and running!
 
7:20 PM
 
nice and true.
 
@PM2Ring oh, it seems you've visited my company.
 
@Tunaki Scarier: A business storing login credentials and SSN numbers in Excel documents on what was probably a shared network storage. *cough* *cough* Sony *cough* *cough*
 
@AlexanderO'Mara I thought you meant Access: Databases for dummies
@Tunaki Every business has departments that use a maze of Excel spreadsheets and Word documents
 
@AlexanderO'Mara WTF? They don't have the excuse that they couldn't afford proper tools.
 
7:24 PM
Thankfully we actually have an ERP system and it holds our data. We do do export that data to excel for analysis but we don't have to manually maintain the data in the sheets. We have a nifty tool that connects excel to our DB
 
@PM2Ring actually... they probably can't
 
@AlexanderO'Mara on the last day of highschool (4 years ago) my friend and I found a excel file with the locker combinations for every person in the school (1,600 people) on the teacher's shared drive. We back-locked so many people that day.
 
they just sold a major branch of their business to some random German LLC
@gunr2171 god so much work listening for the clicks to pick it
 
@TylerH Oh, ok. And I guess corporate IT licensing costs for a company that big do get rather hefty. But still...
 
@PM2Ring And they didn't even use a password protected document. Not that they would have used something impractical to brute-force anyway. Oh yeah, they also had credit cards in Word documents too I think.
 
7:25 PM
you don't need to pick it, it's just a pain to unlock it because the lock is on backwards
 
@AlexanderO'Mara Hey for 30 years the US Nuclear launch code was 00000000
no joke
 
@TylerH For real? Got source?
 
@AlexanderO'Mara google.com/…
 
Excuse me, 20 years, not 30
 
@gunr2171 Yeah, that was easy.
 
7:27 PM
@TylerH if they bomb you, you don't want to get the code wrong, do you?
 
@AlexanderO'Mara :facepalm:
 
@TylerH that is incredile
 
I got threatened with being charged with identity theft in highschool one time because I used the librarian's login credentials to play bubble shooter games online
They were like "you had access to his personal files, family info, financial stuff, etc."
 
So did you sell them?
 
I responded with "well he has no business storing that on a work directory in the first place"
and I told them I was a 16 year old kid who clearly was just using it to play games in the library
so they settled for me writing an apology letter to him
I was thinking to myself "that's what I thought"
 
7:29 PM
Can you charge a minor with ID theft?
 
I volunteered in my HS IT department. I had access to all the fun stuff.
 
I dunno
I'm sure I could have gotten in some kind of serious trouble
 
@TylerH 's youth is like Bart's, just that is merged with LIssa
 
instead I got out-of-school suspension for two days and had to write an apology letter
 
@AlexanderO'Mara Who cares? You just change their identity so that they're old enough to charge as an adult. Problem solved. :)
 
7:31 PM
lol
 
All of these leaks make you wonder how many huge websites are still vulnerable to SQL injection
 
My guess: lots
 
@TylerH Don't worry, nobody would be able to figure out how to use those ancient computers anyway: youtube.com/watch?v=cUzzDt28hko
 
@Tunaki Really makes you question the competence of people in charge, eh :-P
 
Certainly lots of them yes
 
7:31 PM
@AlexanderO'Mara Yeah, they still use 5 inch floppies at NORAD
 
What about Stack Overflow Chat ') AND 1=0;--
 
for a surprisingly good reason
 
good, not stack overflow chat
 
They're unhackable
 
Floppies are unhackable?
 
7:33 PM
Did you know that you pin to your card for getting money out of the cash machine is stored in the magnetic band
 
@PetterFriberg Right. That's why the new chip cards are so much more secure -- instead of the scanner being able to directly read the number, it uses cryptography to prove the number is correct without actually revealing the number
 
@AlexanderO'Mara The systems that use them are
The 5.45" ones
since the program and data is stored on the floppy
 
I was really surprised to find out this when I started to work with credit cards.
 
@PetterFriberg Yeah magstripe cards are not secure at all
 
A PIN isn't that secure anyway -- it could be brute-forced really quickly.
 
7:35 PM
@PetterFriberg Yes I did. That is why you see those commercials with the special wallets to stop your card from being read.
 
I like how by law when someone uses a credit card you're supposed to compare the name on the card with the person's driver's license/ID
but no one ever does that
 
I'm doubtful anything is truely unhackable. Stuxnet infected air-gapped machines using a USB exploit.
 
@NobodyNada Yeah, I'd love to be able to set a longer PIN than 4 digits on my financial cards
 
@AlexanderO'Mara I would have to think only a device with no external IO could not be hacked.
 
7:37 PM
it is still present in the chip card, true it is much more difficult to extract and I'm really surprised that on-line verfication is not used, but with the new cless transactions it's even worse.
 
What exactly do you mean by "unhackable?"
 
@NathanOliver Maybe, but not very useful at that point.
 
True
 
Half of italy when cless use off-line transaction
 
@PetterFriberg yeah, but you couldn't just modify a regular scanner to get the data like you can with a magnetic card
 
7:38 PM
@NobodyNada Don't you have to be in contact with the chip cards?
 
@NathanOliver what do you mean?
 
Well its not hard to get a unattended terminal and the software in it is not best ..... the french have developt it ; )
I even have a fake bank on my computer if you like to try and do some transactions...
 
@NobodyNada Sure, but that's why they only give you like 3 chances to get it right before the machine eats the card. Still, if someone had a few hundred stolen cards the odds are they'd hit paydirt on at least one of them.
 
@NobodyNada Well the scanners they used to steal you information could do it from outside your wallet for the mag strips. I think you have to be in contact with the chip on chip cards to access it. unless I am not understanding you.
 
There is no need to guess the pin...
 
7:41 PM
@NathanOliver Oh, I see what you mean. I think you do have to be in contact with the chip card.
 
@PetterFriberg That's true on the mag stripe cards that store the PIN. I was talking about more modern chip cards.
 
@PetterFriberg yeah, a wrench will work
 
@Braiam ObXKCD xkcd.com/538
3
 
lol, yeah some c4 maybe is the best... just steal from the bank,,
 
security.stackexchange.com/q/49280/66284 has more details about how the cards work
 
7:44 PM
Did you hear about the bank theft in Japan? They stole millions of dollars hitting atm's with fake cards. They something like 17,000 transactions in a couple hours.
 
@PM2Ring you know, I just realized: RSA seems like an unusual choice for hard drive encryption
It's not like it wouldn't work, but it doesn't have any advantages over symmetric encryption for that purpose, and it's quite a bit slower
 
@NobodyNada Fair point. But presumably the laptop actually uses symmetric key encryption, and RSA is only used to encrypt that key.
 
but why? that doesn't add any security
 
blinking seems to be closed ... Do we start to delv the bad questions? (Or let the roomba do it's work)
 
@BhargavRao already started
there's a bunch waiting for you :)
 
7:51 PM
@NobodyNada It means you need to crack RSA to get the symmetric key, which is presumably to large to brute-force. That's the usual way that RSA is used.
 
@WaiHaLee @ryanyuyu if you have time batch335 count=40 cv4 is in the beehive
 
FWIW, there's this thing called Format-preserving encryption. It lets you create cryptotext in the same format as the plaintext. So you can (for example) encrypt a 16-digit credit card number to another 16-digit number. That lets you add an encryption layer to legacy systems designed to work with plaintext credit card numbers. The fact that there's a demand for this implies that there are a lot of such legacy systems out there...
 
@PM2Ring But the system is only as strong as the weakest key. Also, is RSA stronger than AES?
@PM2Ring That's cool! Does the magnetic stripe on chip cards use this encryption?
 
@NobodyNada Yes, RSA is stronger than AES, but way slower. And clearly RSA with a 4096 bit key is stronger than 256 bit AES. :)
 
8:00 PM
@Braiam I know the difference; I'm just wondering which is harder to crack.
 
I'm such a noob in cryptography, I barely understand the essence of the conversation :).
 
@Tunaki All your questions will be answered when you understand: juevcn*n%$34mjjsd0jcm3*xkh)lb"fg
 
@PM2Ring But RSA needs the key to be 2 prime numbers (and a modulus), so it needs a much larger key for the same amount of security.
 
@NobodyNada Format-preserving encryption could be used to make the data safer on the bank's hard drives. I don't think it could help much with the security flaw of storing the PIN on the card, though. But I Am Not A Cryptography Expert.
 
pki can encrypt a max payload of the keysize less padding. So practically, 256 bytes downward, unless you go with a higher key size and military grade.
 
8:06 PM
> As of today, no practicable attack against AES exists. Therefore, AES remains the preferred encryption standard for governments, banks and high security systems around the world.
> The best currently known method to break the (RSA) encryption requires factorizing the product used in the division. -- source https://www.boxcryptor.com/en/encryption
@PM2Ring ^?
 
@Braiam You missed: Currently, it is not possible to calculate these factors for numbers greater than 768 bits. That is why modern cryptosystems use a minimum key length of 3072 bits.. So RSA 4096 is unbreakable right now.
 
@NathanOliver operative phrase: "right now"
and well, you can shoot yourself in the foot if you use <=2047
 
@NobodyNada Sure RSA needs bigger keys than AES for the same level of security. But the fact that it's slower adds a little bit of security. But your statement isn't quite correct: the modulus used in RSA is the product of two large primes. The primes need to be secret, the modulus is public, so the primes have to be large enough that factoring the modulus is impractical.
There are much better factoring algorithms than brute force, but if the modulus is large enough that's not an issue. Of course, it's always possible to guess a factor by pure chance, but the odds of that happening are extremely low, unless you use bad primes. There's been a fair bit of research done on that topic.
 
@Braiam Yes but same can be said for AES. "right now" no attack is known but that doesn't mean one won't be found
 
one is a block cipher, symmetric. The other is assymetric with no shared secret key. They are like comparing apples and oranges. It depends what you are doing. A darn good strategy is to use both. The pki is an expensive as all get up computation. Using it to communicate a secret key and using that with a block cipher is not a shabby practice. Because the block ciphers are tremendously fast by comparison. Plus the work on huge sets of data
 
8:10 PM
@NathanOliver my point being that AES right now has no known vector of attack, RSA, given enough computational power, can be broken
@Drew like I did for my vpn
 
@PM2Ring yep; I just found a security post about it: security.stackexchange.com/q/38015
 
So it is more insecure since we know eventually we can brake it?
 
It is computationally and monetarily impossible for an attack on rsa 8192 even for North Korea.
Actually especially for them. They get food drops from China and who knows where
 
@NathanOliver Once we have quantum computers, breaking RSA is going to be really easy.
 
True.
 
8:12 PM
and, as always, the weakest link is the user
so the wrench is a valid approach
 
But I think most things will fall when quantum computing becomes main stream
Even brute forcing AES shouldn't be to bad
 
there are no weak links. That is a myth
 
Does anyone know how quantum computing is different than regular computing? I keep meaning to research that, but I never have.
 
Re: RSA being used with AES, Wiki says "RSA is a relatively slow algorithm, and because of this it is less commonly used to directly encrypt user data. More often, RSA passes encrypted shared keys for symmetric key cryptography which in turn can perform bulk encryption-decryption operations at much higher speed."
 
@NobodyNada download quantum moves... will teach you nothing but is a cool way to waste your time using your time for scientific purposes
 
8:15 PM
@NobodyNada You can have the same bit be multiple values at the same time. It deals with quantum indeterminacy.
 
@NobodyNada Basically like regular computing except physics as you know them don't apply anymore and nothing makes sense.
 
^ or that
 
I use one time pads. No crackin that
 
So how would programming quantum computers be different?
 
why blog posts (even tech's) needs to put a crap-ton large photo on the very top of the article...
 
8:16 PM
afk
 
my entire screen is filled
 
@NobodyNada The big difference is that a quantum computer can perform a huge number of related computations in parallel, if you can figure out an algorithm to do it.
There's a quantum algorithm called Shor's algorithm that can be used to rapidly factorise a number by essentially exploring all the possible solutions simultaneously. On current technology it can only solve "toy" problems, but in the future, if large enough quantum computers can be made, it will break RSA.
 
@PM2Ring Yeah, I've heard of Shor's.
@NathanOliver What -- I can program a quantum computer right now?! Thanks for the link!
 
That is why what you encrypt is for access control, not your Love Letters. So around that time, you change your access control
 
8:24 PM
All my chat messages are encrypted from the start btw, as of now, nobody has figured it out.
 
anyone see Tuna today?
 
Special encryption made by my wicked brain.
Uncrackable.
 
@NathanOliver Fair point. OTOH, I expect that figuring out a good quantum algorithm to solve AES is brain-meltingly hard. :) Doing anything on quantum computers beyond fairly simple stuff like factorization isn't easy. FWIW, we don't even have a solid mathematical proof of the security of AES, just some very good conjectures.
 
This is a really good answer there meta.stackoverflow.com/a/324261/4099593
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Exactly my thoughts.
 
@BhargavRao Agreed. SO has answered many hundreds of my questions over the years, but I've never needed to post an actual question myself. So a vast majority of the questions we get these days are from people who are so dumb they can't find an answer by Googling, or from people who don't know enough about what they're trying to do that they don't know what to Google.
in Python, yesterday, by tristan
Yeah, I ran into that too at $previous_job. Could close our hosting account, causing irreparable loss of data and decimating the company for months, but couldn't change my shell
On the topic of IT departments having inconsistent security policies:
 
8:38 PM
True, I spend more time hammering questions than answering.
 
A lot more time hammering than closing, indeed.
 
Given that you are in the top 5 (4th) of the list of the top hammerers, I couldn't agree less with that ;)
 
---------------------------------------^answering^--------
 
I like the idea I saw on SO Meta a while ago: new questions, especially from low-rep users, should be automatically answer-locked for (say) 10 minutes to allow time to search for dupe targets. OTOH, dupes really aren't so bad compared to actual crap questions. At least a well-written dupe can act as a portal to the dupe target.
 
afk
 
Sam
8:44 PM
Cya
 
I detest that idea. This post today was open for a full 5 hours till it was hammered as dupe. The target being 6year old and the first result of a Google Search. What we need is to instill the idea of searching in both the askers and the answerers minds.
 
@BhargavRao has +2 net score....
 
A proposition that was made: remove rep earned if question is closed (and refun it if question is reopened)
 
@BhargavRao Sure, but if answerers can't answer for 10 minutes they might be inclined to do a dupe search. Of course, they may be more motivated to do so if they could earn rep by locating good dupe targets.
 
But this doesn't even really work - a lot of those answerers have gold badge and would reopen probably
 
8:48 PM
@PM2Ring Yeah, Like a +2 for good edits, a +1 for good dupes could be better.
That makes more sense to me and might work out better.
 
that treating the illness anyways
 
back
 
@Tunaki There are a few people who misuse the hammer (in a given other language). But that sounds like a good proposition too.
 
if people didn't get those questions, where they just gave up, they would be starving and waiting for more interesting stuff
 
Oh and the disadvantage of the 10 minute period also includes the flood of answers after 10:00:01 mins.
 
8:51 PM
^ yes that is unavoidable
heck people will make a user-script for that
 
Blame Tiny and Magic
@Braiam Nice edit on that target, Makes the post more searchable.
 
JAL
o/
 
Hiya @JAL
 
JAL
hey all
 

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