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12:00 PM
Post has been edited in grace period... Still invalid however.
 
@Tunaki Has been edited
have a lol at it
 
no please flag it some more thanks a bunch
lol
 
NUKE THAT
 
@LinusKleen I read that as "no, please flag it some more, thanks a bunch"
To which I say: "Don't mind if I do!"
 
12:01 PM
lies
moderators dont flag
 
@MadaraUchiha Same here.
 
they nuke
 
I thought the edit would dispute my spam flag. It didn't.
 
Hold on
 
I still don't get why one day it did.
 
12:02 PM
Take a gab at the question tunaki
 
@Tunaki wasn't this your edit?
 
the original answer text there may have been an attempt at an answer posted too early or something
 
@AndrasDeak Nope
 
@Tunaki oh, OK
then probably sun spots...or caching
 
@MadaraUchiha Did you destroy that entire user?
Considering the question that may not have been pure spam...
 
12:04 PM
It was a unregistered user
 
This is not VLQ?
And the above is an answer?
 
@Kyll It is link-only.
 
Got 2 declined flags there
 
Wat?
 
I'm getting tired of getting declined flags over stuff like that
 
12:06 PM
it is an answer, right?:D
 
Thats definately NAA
I reflagged it
 
Make a Meta. Blame the mods. :)
 
On there, flagged the accepted answer as NAA and the other one as VLQ. I thought it was safe.
 
!!/blame
 
TBH the questions and both answers are trash
 
12:06 PM
@PraveenKumar It's Rizier123's fault.
 
@Kyll voted to delete
 
@Tunaki got deleted
what about the accepted one? is that OK?
 
Yeah, y'know what, I'm going to keep my ratio from now on and avoid VLQ/NAA altogether. Results are waaaaay too inconsistent and I value my ratio more than garbage posts like those
 
Dam Madara. Another delete-vote wasted =(. lol
 
When you see at the End...
Grrr... 2 Del-Vs wasted...
 
12:08 PM
@Kyll But that's weird really. I flag 100 answers like that per day, every day, and not one of them is declined.
 
first world high rep problems;)
 
@MadaraUchiha Will you be able to update our remaining del-vs to Infinity?
 
@Tunaki Thats because mods see "Flag raised by Tunaki" and just know "Hell if I decline this he's going to take a dump on me on meta nah m8"
 
@Tunaki Well, you're pretty damn lucky. Got 1 declined yesterday and 2 today now.
 
Flagnaki, Serial Flaggist and Lord of the Flag
 
12:10 PM
@Magisch welcome to Tunaki's Fun With Flags!
 
I really hate the NAA/VLQ flags
I almost always either have nothing to do about it, or feel bad about deleting it (because then OP learned nothing)
 
@MadaraUchiha what's VLQ?
 
Very Low Quality
 
I thought VLQ flagged questions go into the LQP queue?
No?
 
12:11 PM
@Magisch doesn't it get mod-handled after half an hour?
or is that NAA?
 
We're talking about answers.
 
@Magisch Yes, unless they get disputed, which they almost always do because VLQ is super vague, or unless too long passes before they get handled (IIRC)
 
@BhargavRao hello
 
NAA include link-only answers, if flagged they mostly get deleted
 
12:13 PM
@user2314737 they shouldn't. A user posting a link is mostly still attempting to answer
 
tuna waffles
 
@TimCastelijns why not?
 
Smokey should have a nuked synonym to gone
 
Why can't you guys give me a chance?
 
12:14 PM
I barely got in before the wrath of madara expunged the answer's existance
 
We all are affected by Madara'd! :(
 
There should be a mod in this room 24/7
 
@user2314737 NAA is supposed to be for stuff that cant not possibly be an answer to any possible programming question. Apparently link-only posts fall into that category (~95% of the time), or garbage posts (sqgdkdsfhdf)
 
@Tunaki Stand for elections
 
@tim but if the link changes then the answer is worthless
 
12:15 PM
@Kyll that's always the issue, right? Determining whether a link is "an honest attempt at answering", and whether "Hi I think you should see if doing something helps" is "an honest attempt at answering"
 
That doesn't mean its NAA
 
Honestly, the debate NAA vs VLQ is boring.
Both are the same really.
 
Im proud to say I voted for madara in the election after he sadfaced me when I said in the election chatroom I was gonna vote for undo instead
 
user3956566
Link only is NAA, it's a pointer to an answer
 
Except that when a VLQ flagged post is edited, the flag is helpful.
 
12:16 PM
@Tunaki It's old as crap and only shows that this system is not working for the many edge cases we see each day
 
I would support unifying them into a "Obviously garbage" flag
 
@MsYvette unless the link text is a bad answer...right?
@Magisch that sounds nice
it would make mods' jobs easier too, and increase the flag ratios
 
VLQ and NAA should really be merged yeah
 
user3956566
no, any answer that is a link only.. like have a look here <link> is NAA..
 
@MsYvette Unfortunately, no
 
user3956566
12:17 PM
doesn't matter what it is linking to
 
@MsYvette and if the link is en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Something_You_Need_To_Use?
 
@MsYvette \o
 
> You might want to product x

^ without a link its very low quality, but its still a answer
 
I seem to have seen this problem beaten to death ad nauseam on meta, and the bottom line is "NAA for link-only is a gamble"
 
I flag link-only as VLQ every day. Not one declined flag.
 
12:18 PM
@MsYvette See the following link: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Object‌​s/Object/isFrozen. It does contain information. So flagging an answer that only says see https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects‌​/Object/isFrozen is a coin flip
 
no two users have the same notion about this:D
 
The whole debate is asinine. Nobody is even denying that the answers in question are utter trash, and arguing semantics about why this 5s low effort post should be deleted is not helpful.
 
@Kyll -1 for not clickable links
 
@Magisch that's exactly the problem, fragmentation of garbage post categories
 
I got lots of NAA flags for link-only answers accepted from the mods
 
12:19 PM
@kayess The point was to read them xD
 
user3956566
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Q: Your answer is in another castle: when is an answer not an answer?

Shog9I think we can all agree, this sucks: If you've been around a little while, you've probably encountered hundreds of answers like this in various forums, some of them even marked as "The Answer" by well-meaning1 forum admins looking to close a thread. We could try to enumerate the commonly-obse...

 
So. Who's making the Meta for "Merge NAA and VLQ flags".
 
@Kyll reading the universal resource locator string value is no fun
 
@kayess lol
 
@Tunaki Honestly? Make this a file on GitHub and let's all PR the crap outta it until it's ready to be on Meta
 
12:21 PM
I'm okay with it. Will work on that this week-end.
 
PR?
 
@Kyll ++
 
Next point of the debate.. is the week-end on saturday or sunday?
 
Pull Request
 
@AndrasDeak Pork Ropes
 
12:22 PM
oooh thanks
 
@TimCastelijns Depends on the locale.
 
@TimCastelijns friday?
@Kyll I was thinking Public Relations....
 
@TimCastelijns Which timezone?
 
Since the universal locale is obviously the French locale, week-end is saturday-sunday.
 
@Tunaki ahem
 
12:23 PM
@MsYvette There's also one more BS in that post: If someone asks for an apple and you give an orange, you should flag as NAA? As in, if someone answers with C++ to an HTML question it should be flagged? Nope, it shouldn't. It is an answer.
 
I meant the literal end of the week. In other words which day is the first of the week monday or sunday
 
@Tunaki I second that
 
@Kyll Yes.
 
user3956566
I mentioned link only answers @Kyll that is all
 
user3956566
12:23 PM
they are NAA
 
@Braiam Ha nice.
 
@MsYvette Depends on the content of the URL. Which is stupid.
 
lol
 
user3956566
No it does not
 
user3956566
it is clear
 
12:24 PM
@Braiam Since it's on MSE, maybe someone can make a bounty on that to attract attention
 
I have 101 rep there and Ill give it all to this cause
 
2 mins ago, by Madara Uchiha
@Kyll ++
 
user3956566
If you strip out the mark up, and it reads "Here is an answer here" it is not an answer
 
@TimCastelijns I have 0 but I can have 101 too.
 
user3956566
I can't believe this same topic is argued about over and over and over here
 
12:25 PM
is it OK to onebox comments?
 
Tried to run a phpfiddle with that like:
<?php
$Kyll = "Kyll";
printf("%s", $Kyll++);
?>
 
@Braiam Answers delve deeper in the confusion...
 
and it now prints database error.
Kyll kyll'd it. :\
2
 
@kayess Unidentified error at line 0 of Unknown.
2
 
@AndrasDeak usually yes
 
12:25 PM
thanks
nevermind now, it's not that important, I realized:D
I just noted a comment of Pekka on that meta post, about some of the garbage being moved to comments
but that doesn't really concern the issue of two categories for garbage...
 
@MsYvette What's unbelievable is how everyone argues over an agreement, as stated above. Everyone thinks that such posts are unacceptable. Most debates are bureaucratic, "what procedure should we follow?". Just destroy these things.
 
@Kyll The answer is pointless. You can make the new NAA+VLQ flag behave the same way as the old NAA when a mod can convert to a comment
 
Plop
 
Plop Kevin!
 
Are those "half-diamond" users are half-mods or someshort? Commenter in this Q
 
12:28 PM
How many answers that would get converted to comments are really valueable comments? Thats at best an edge case anyways.
 
So. Can someone bounty that Q? meta.stackexchange.com/q/214583
 
@kayess half whats?
 
@AndrasDeak Check that sign next to his nickname.
 
I just see regular Jay
 
@kayess Uh? Are you having font issues?
 
12:28 PM
@Kyll it all boils down do "we need 1 reason to flag shit answers, not 2 and debate over which applies best per situation"
 
@kayess What does ""half-diamond"" mean?
 
I guess 450 is not enough to bounty right @Tunaki?
 
@Kyll Hm, nope
 
so no
wait
it is
 
wait
 
12:29 PM
Ah! 2016 - realizing tooltips tell you the truth, it's saying: "possible employee"
 
it needs to be edited
 
user3956566
@Tunaki yes arguing over it becomes tiring. I rarely if ever flag as low quality, as they have been declined too often. So only flag, NAA, spam or offensive.
 
What should I put in the bounty text tunaki?
 
Deserves attention
 
The 10k tools for reviewing NAA doesn't exist anymore.
 
12:30 PM
@Kyll No, it's probably the SOOF script, just never really saw it. It adds <span class="mod-flair" title="possible employee">⋆</span>
 
@Tunaki Tell me when you edited it
 
@kayess i.stack.imgur.com/nyZCN.png I don't see anything
 
@kayess Oh, okay
 
@BhargavRao Hum.
 
12:31 PM
@BhargavRao Meh, let them do their thing
If they haven't deleted in a while it will need to be flagged
 
I flagged as NAA, They'll delete it
 
Considering upvoting that
If he's bug hunting, it's useful
;)
 
@Magisch Actually, I find myself rewriting the post pretty-much.
I think it's better to post a new one.
 
@Tunaki Make a new one then
 
I'll take a stab at it this week-end saturday and make a Gist for everyone to critique
 
12:37 PM
bughunting post got deleted
@Tunaki will you ask it on MSO to avoid getting duped?
 
dunno
 
or just honey badger don't give a damn:P
 
@Tunaki Get yer shipz to Meta WarFieldz!!!1+
 
lol
 
Rofl, I really thought this SE: bricks.stackexchange.com was only about bricks.
 
12:39 PM
@Kyll talk about fragmentation:D
 
Some of the spawned SE sites are really a stretch
 
worldbuilders.SE, except if it's made of bricks, then bricks.SE
 
literally_a_concrete_wall.SE
"This question has been put on hold as off-topic: Questions that are not about the structure or use of concrete bricks are off topic on bricks.SE"
 
@Magisch suggesting migration to DIY.SE
 
Is it me or the main font changed?
 
12:44 PM
@Magisch "C or C++? Pick one before we close you down for good" :D
 
user3956566
how the hell did that android question I posted here get an upvote.. ?
 
@MsYvette maybe it was a good one?
(*looking for it*)
 
@AndrasDeak Pick one before we feed your question to the void god N'yaloth the Roomba
@MsYvette enough said.
 
@Magisch What is unclear about it?
 
user3956566
@Magisch I know, depressing :/
 
12:47 PM
@NisseEngström Not saying what he expects, not saying what he doesn't understand
unclear or too broad
 
@SmokeDetector still there
 
Why the hell do we even allow to post anything without registering??
 
Morning
 
come on, nuke that
 
how probable is it that a mighty pearl will roll out from an unregistered oyster?
 
12:48 PM
Is this POB ?
 
@SmokeDetector stiiiiiill there
 
@Tunaki Now its gone
 
@Tunaki nope
 
@NathanOliver Hey
 
Why do 3 20kers have to do the job? =(
 
12:50 PM
97.75% of my flags are helpful
 
@kayess I don't think so.
 
99.14% helpful
 
@Magisch The user doesn't understand it and so has no idea what to expect, hence the question: Why does it output "2011".
 
@NathanOliver Aight.
 
@NisseEngström That still doesn't mean the question is appropiate
 
user3956566
12:51 PM
>
I appreciate the effort you've gone to here. I just don't believe that people that bring there problems and expect a code writing service should be rewarded. It's like an abuse of the time of the members of the site..
 
user3956566
 
You are a more understanding person then I am
I downvote all of these
 
@MsYvette I've gotten into a similar discussion with a rep whore yesterday
 
@Magisch Meh, not sure it's worth closing.
 
they got quite offended at my asking them why they insist on answering effortless crap and homework questions
 
user3956566
12:53 PM
@AndrasDeak I know
 
problem is, they mostly add good unmerited answers, so I can't downvote with a clear conscience
 
user3956566
I meant respect to this person.. they have gone to effort
 
user3956566
but the questioner is lazy and a user
 
I can
I downvote all answers to obvious tosh
 
@Magisch haha:D
 
user3956566
12:55 PM
I'm careful to disclaim any possible downvotes, if an answer gets a downvote and I comment, I usually get spiteful downvotes.. don't know why... does this happen to every one?
 
@Magisch i.stack.imgur.com/2d8Rf.png here's context
the question happened to be of the >>"Assignment A: write a program that..." without any fluff<< kind
 
@AndrasDeak Some people just enjoy writing and posting answers
 
@MsYvette About a third of the DVs I've gotten I would guess
not many
worth it
 
@AndrasDeak lol, link?
 
@Magisch that's what CW is for:P
 
user3956566
12:56 PM
@AndrasDeak hm O>O lolol
 
@MsYvette Never happened to me I think
 
user3956566
@Magisch yeh, I don't comment much, but sometimes it jsut gets to much!! LOLOL
 
@MadaraUchiha this one if I'm not mistaken: stackoverflow.com/questions/35538086/…
 
user3956566
@Kyll that's cos you're a cute squirrel
 
that comment got flagged as rude (not by me), but then there was a later one in a similar vein:D
 
12:57 PM
@AndrasDeak When Madara says "lol", he really means "give me that link so that I can destroy this crap"
 
@Kyll :D No need to, question's been downvoted to hell & deleted
 
@AndrasDeak Well you just made a sad Madara
3
 
user3956566
it is rude Andras. glad it got flagged
 
There'll surely be another chance:P
@MsYvette it is, but I have a thick skin. My problem is the behaviour itself, not the name-calling
 
@AndrasDeak Yup
 
12:59 PM
@MadaraUchiha His angry comment about "me badgering him in comments" is about another post, where he answered starting with "I wanted to comment but it got longer..." and I kindly informed him that it's customary to add a CW in these cases;)
 
user3956566
totally!
 

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