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4:01 PM
Is this suitable for migration to CS.SE stackoverflow.com/q/40061117/4099593?
Or is it a bad post all together?
 
^ added quotes to "this"
 
4:16 PM
Is it bad to edit very old answers of mine to include more info?
In effect bumping the old question
 
@AndrewLi no, it's not
 
We're talking from May of this year
 
39 secs ago, by M.A.R.
@AndrewLi no, it's not
 
OK
 
That kind of attitude is something we need more of, not something we need to suppress.
 
4:19 PM
you should improve your old junk
improve can include sending it to the crap can
 
It has 7 upvotes and an accept and I didn't even explain why. I want to explain why because now I actually know why lol
It's completely correct, just I want to add a better explanation
 
hmmm
 
well you must dwell in a tag that rewards jibberish then
 
@Drew I included a quote, but never added an explanation why it was needed. I'm not sure how it got so many upvotes either
 
4:21 PM
@AndrewLi on the contrary, that's very very great
too many people throw away answers like pancakes and don't ever read them again later
 
@Drew THX
 
@tunaki pass-by-value dupe here? Got reopened.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis certainly a dupe, closed
 
De rien
 
4:25 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ put a list of say 5 at a time together for Ashish like over here chat link and paste it in the campaigns room. People pick em up. Our format is relaxed (read: non-existant)
Cuz I have like 12 to 14 votes left and need to keep them for dupe hammers
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis: voting to delete. We don't need yet another pass by value vs reference question.
 
Yeah, same.
 
Indeed.
 
@Tunaki I was just afraid that bumping the question would be bad
Anyways; I edited to include more info.
 
@AndrewLi Do not mind the bumping, only pedantic meta users are complaining about that. It's great to bump with a good edit.
 
4:31 PM
OK :)
^ indentation
What a cleanup :o
 
might need one of those
 
That's the tip of the iceberg sadly
 
I'll compile the rest in gist like other times, i'm just lazy now lol
if you could see me on my couch
haven't had breakfast yet
 
How many DVs a day you get?
 
There are around 1k Java questions with a delete vote on them
 
4:43 PM
30
 
@AndrewLi 30
 
Not a lot
 
@πάνταῥεῖ all other 4 guys on this could be good incl the guy non-c++ that who knows might speak german (switz)
 
Maybe increase it proportionally based on your score in the tag?
 
@AndrewLi Enough usually
 
4:44 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ Arguable. I would think if you were cleaning up a huge batch you'd need more. I usually am lacking CVs and have to wait a few hours to get more
 
@Drew No need for swytzerdütsch there.
 
4:55 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ Not sure if engaging with the user in that way was necessary :P
 
@AndrewLi I'm stopping at that point right now :P
 
Bye all, Time to leave \o
 
@BhargavRao Bye o/
 
@BhargavRao N8
 
4:59 PM
@Gothdo Read the title from chat. Here's a tangentially related question. How to handle multiple NAAs on the same question by the same OP asking the same question? ;)
 
5:17 PM
Hiya @Hover
 
HEllo @πάνταῥεῖ
Where was that pub again?
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels I'm almost outta CV's so not much of a help.
@HovercraftFullOfEels You mean The Tavern?
 
Yes
The Tavern -- in Germany?
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels I've got the keys for a special one: vetternwirtschaft.net
 
@πάνταῥεῖ: that's it! I'll have to check it out when/if I ever cross the pond.
 
5:21 PM
Full of punks and nerds of all kind
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels extremly cool :)
 
@jal btw (since I see you are online in meta) ignore the beehive trying to get someone else for those zero answer c++
 
JAL
5:37 PM
@Drew Ok, I already went through that batch already, some are closed, others are at 4cv
I still have plenty of votes though
 
@JAL give me 15 minutes then
 
JAL
no problem
 
I propose a max of 100 delete votes per day per person, scaled.
 
JAL
that would be nice
 
@JAL batch347 count=21 cv4 is in the beehive
 
JAL
5:49 PM
sweet I'll take a look
thanks
 
I sense @gnat will get excited about a new list re: Gothdo / meta ... chat link list reprieve?
 
JAL
@Drew all should be closed, thanks
 
thx Jal
 
JAL
thank you Drew!
 
6:23 PM
@Drew I am considering next round cleanup of old link-only answers - just waiting for SEDE update to get more accurate stats to estimate amount of work needed :)
 
6:55 PM
 
7:05 PM
@Yam nnnnnope
 
7:23 PM
couple earlier spams in Metasmoke for this domain, one fairly similar to this
 
@rene hmmm, okay, should I retract my k?
 
delete voted
 
@rene deleted k feedback from metasmoke
 
OK
 
7:29 PM
@tripleee with an edit to reject
 
@Tunaki ack, though that's pointless if it's closed, isn't it?
 
if it's accepted, bonus for the editor and goes through the reopen queue for nothing
 
7:47 PM
plop!
@SmokeDetector i assume good faith
 
8:02 PM
@SmokeDetector someone roll it back
 
hI
 
Hey
 
anybody has experience with external hdd
 
Sam
@ColdFire Over USB, yes.
 
8:06 PM
@ColdFire Usually you'd ask a question, and wait for a possible response. Not give the background, and stare at chat.
 
i dropped my hdd
and its not detecting
 
it's ded
 
no response at all
 
Usually hard drives don't handle sudden falls well at all.
Was it running when you dropped it?
 
yes
 
8:07 PM
yeah, heads probably crashed into the platter.
I killed a drive that way a while back
 
what about data?
dont say like that
i need the data
 
It's in an enclosure?
 
yes
 
You might open it up and try to get at the actual drive, then put it in a SATA mount if you have one.
 
ofc without enclosure external hdd?
 
8:09 PM
I have a few, they're nice
 
ok might as well give it to seagate care
i have some very important data in that
didnt expected hdd to not stop working just by a drop
that is insane :/
 
and thus starts the backups of the backups :)
 
@ColdFire: You can try the raw drive with a USB/SATA bridge. No need to mount into the PC
 
I'd probably recommend starting either your "restore from backup" procedure or your "start backing stuff up" procedure.
Have two copies of everything, all the time. Three if it's important.
Not that that helps now, of course.
 
If you hear strange noise when spinning up, you likely have a severe problem
 
8:11 PM
thankfully i had my work related stuff backup
 
I'd have a look at the SMART data first
 
well but my personal photo all are gone
and my song-movie-series-software-and some other collection
all gone
 
@ColdFire Well, it's a rotating platter stack with heads flying at some decads lower than a human hair's thickness (iirc. few µm)
 
If you don't have backups, you're looking at either sinking a bunch of your own time into it for a likely marginal result and likelihood of success, or a bunch of money into a professional recovery service with a slightly higher chance of success.
 
bleh, I lost everything thay way as well. But I didn't lose my code which is backed up 5 times and put on repo online
 
8:13 PM
That's not much more than structures on an IC some years ago. let alone the tracks
 
Losing photos is ok, losing the code is not :p
 
i have my code
and thankfully i backup my app keystore files
 
Is it even trying to spin up?
 
so very less damage to business if at all
 
@Undo The pros actually can help quiete a lot. Unless the drive is self-encrypting, they e.g. put the platter stack to their own head-unit and bypass the original.
 
8:14 PM
no idea undo
 
Rephrase: Can you hear it make any noise?
 
nope
doesnt sounds like any noise
 
@Olaf You'll still likely loose some data if you're looking at a head crash, though
 
light is blinking
 
What do you get from SMART?
 
8:15 PM
@Olaf nothing if it won't report
 
@Undo: Depens on filesystem, OS, etc.
@Undo Did I miss that?
 
olaf if its not detecting there is no way
 
9 mins ago, by Cold Fire
and its not detecting
 
i can do smart and all other crap stuff
 
@ColdFire What do you mean? The os does not detect the drive or what?
Which OS?
 
8:17 PM
man its not detecting that is the issue
@Tunaki losing personal photos is ok?
:/
those are years of memories
 
@ColdFire Sorry I tried to help!
 
bah I lost all photos and music and movies multiple times
 
now washed like happen
 
My advice: Take a step back, go for a walk, something. You're probably stressed out, and that's not a good state of mind to be in when working with this kind of stuff.
 
i dont mind 300-400gb of movies series and software and music i can get all that again
i just want that 100 gb out of 2000gb of mine
i hope i can recover that much
 
8:20 PM
Side note: This is why MacBooks (and probably most laptops) have sudden motion sensors that detect freefall and lock everything up.
 
Really?
TIL
 
wow never knew that existed
i take extra care of my mac
tunaki , really and you dont miss any photos and all?
 
If you have a MacBook, 'drop' it a few inches (holding it the whole time) and listen for a distinctive click
Offer not valid on SSD models, because they don't care.
 
lol mine is ssd model
 
@Undo: Some 2.5" HDDs have these sensors intergrated. I don't think it is a good idea to have to OS for this. The sensors are not a price-factor actually.
@ColdFire Ehm, and you didn't think that could be relevant?
 
8:23 PM
@Olaf we're talking about something else
The drive he dropped was an external spinny drive
 
not my external hdd
i am talking about my mac drive now
 
Ah, ok.
 
even if platter and head collided??
isnt data recoverable?
or not at all
 
@Olaf It's kernel-level, and having it on the mobo means it can be used for motion sensing (see GitHub's 404 page) and can be used to lock up all drives - I.e. if I were to put another drive in my optical bay
 
where is the data stored in hdd?
 
8:25 PM
@ColdFire Could be, but it's usually expensive to have professionals do it... and you can't guarantee that it'll work.
@ColdFire on the platters.
 
awww on the platters
so if head is damaged
then data is recoverable right?
 
It could be that everything can be recovered except your photos.
Depends on a very large number of things.
 
but if header crashed into platter there should be noise right
 
@Undo So if the kernal freezes or is not running, you are busted? No, thanks, I better by hdds with internal sensor. (But then, I'd not buy HDDs for internal use anymore anyway:-).
Strange coincidence. I just bought a new HDD for may RAID today, because one of the HDDs had a failure, too.
 
i think those seagate guy might help
gonna try them
 
8:34 PM
@ColdFire The head often sticks to the platter after a crash, preventing the platter stack to spin up.
The motor is quite weak actually.
 
afterall they must be knowing how to fix there own drives
 
@ColdFire Ever dismantled a HDD? The heads are as much micro-tech as silicon dies.
If the heads crashed, they are likely gone, too. Which means external head, clean-room, etc. => some k$
 
why is hdd so big then?
if they are micro size
 
:33647628 Hey, give me the change to edit ;-)
 
I'm the Onebox-Cop
@QPaysTaxes I know; but usually my hands are faster than my brain
It decides to click delete before edit
 
8:45 PM
Actually I didn't suspect it one-boxes if I have the reference before the link. But apparently the chat-system starts checking after the reference to the other posting ... at least I learned something new.
 
:D
@QPaysTaxes ?
That exists?!
Wow. That's... embarrassing
 
@AndrewLi Hmm, seems to work indeed. Two new things in one day. Not sure I can keep them both in mind
@QPaysTaxes: So what was that with "conditionals" the other day?
 
> use jquery instead to avoid stuck with this kind of problems
Facepalm
Super-facepalm
^ == vs = confusion
So it wasn't fixed?
:(
 
Last I know is you wrote it worked. So what went wrong at unit-testing? ;-)
Just to make sure: what do you mean with "conditionals"? The operators for simple types?
I see.
 
OK
 
8:55 PM
@QPaysTaxes Well, I'm interested at some level, but then I have enough of that stuff in my head currently. Maybe getting old, but I really get to the point I don't want to read code that intensively.
Anything I can help without reading the code?
I would not aim for P2 anymore.
Online-compiler? I don't like them. Anyway, I understand now. Don't you have P2 on your machine?
Admitted, that can be a good idea.
Realted, but not exactly: There is some yacc-like Compiler-generator in Python. Did you have a look at this? Maybe that can make things easier?
 
CodeGolf.SE have this online interpreter/compiler for their golfing languages
 
@QPaysTaxes Why not stick with Python? Speed?
A C implementaion will be very different (if you really use Python features)
@QPaysTaxes Oha. I see another bunch of questions coming :-))
You know I really like C, but a compiler is nothing I'd use it for today. Maybe Python with LLVM lib would be a good way. Or go easy and generate C source.
 
Seems like NAA because it offers nothing else with the markup gone
 
9:11 PM
I flag link-onlys as VLQ. Simpler
 
where did you get that one
 
The lion's profile
Is there no way to link comments?
 
click the timestamp
 
Thanks
Peeps seem to agree link only == NAA
 
9:14 PM
I agree both flags should be the same. And until it's done, I flag link-only as VLQ. Simple reason is that if it's edited, the flag is cleared without me having to bother looking at it again
 
Oh really?
Hmm, ok
 
:/
Meaow.
 
Rawr
 
Mroww.
 
Grrrr
 
9:15 PM
@QPaysTaxes Well, I flag 100 a day. Perhaps 50 link-onlys.
The difference is splitting hairs
if you like to split hairs, go ahead
:D
I prefer not to worry about it too much. Link-only -> VLQ. The rest -> NAA. 5 seconds to flag. 5 seconds for the mod.
 
@QPaysTaxes You need a lot of conditioner, do you?
 
9:36 PM
I'd like to solve Project Euler 1 with it but I don't have Python on my machine. How can I do it?
 
9:47 PM
@Tunaki Do you have to solve those in Python? I can one-line it in MATLAB probably
 
@Adriaan I solved a hundred or so in Java/Scala :)
@QPaysTaxes Hm ok so I still need Python. I'll install it on my Ubuntu box.
 
@Tunaki That's one slow mod :P
 
@Tunaki I think the answer to the first is 234168
 
@Tunaki You could use Ruby or really any language
 
@Adriaan I have the code I wrote hosted online (privately), with test cases and answers, and that is not it :p
 
9:50 PM
@Tunaki I registered and just found out :p
 
One line of Java as well IntStream.range(1, n).filter(i -> i % 3 == 0 || i % 5 == 0).sum(); :)
 
I am unsure why my code is not correct...
x=1:1e3; sum(x(~mod(x,3) | ~mod(x,5)));
that works for x = 1:6
 
never saw that MATLAB syntax
 
@Tunaki I create an array x to range from 1 to 1000, then I calculate the modulo of each element in x with 3 and 5 (which works btb), and use that to index x whenever either modulo is zero, thus ~mod
might be going wrong on things like 15
I can't figure out why my answer's not correct... argh
 
quick... ask SO!! Suggested title: "Plz help euler 1"
 
9:59 PM
oh, I included 1000
nasty, I was a 1000 off because I included 1000 in my array >.>,
at least it's correct now
now I can go to bed peacefully
 
night o/
that is how elephants sleep?
 
Yes. We sleep very intelligent :P (actually that popped up on the feed over in the MATLAB room)
\o
 
> Why are oyu mixing javascript and Jquery?
I've lost all faith in humanity ^^
 
... did you have any?
 
10:14 PM
@Tunaki 2 grams.
Now it's completely gone
3 teragrams were lost due to the election
 
Two planets meeting. One says I've got homo sapiens I'm afraid. Response: Don't worry! You'll get over it, that usually doesn't last long.
 
Lol
 
10:43 PM
OK OK SMOKEY CALM DOWN, I SAID CALM DOWN
 
Looks OT. I just don't know in which way actually (asking for 3rd party resource?): stackoverflow.com/questions/40197712/…
 
Looks broad
 
@Undo Yes.
 
11:44 PM
That's so silly it took my breathe away: stackoverflow.com/questions/40198069/…
 
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