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12:01 AM
OK, off for dinner. Be back later.
 
@josilber Unless they think it might be valuable to have it in the spam system (keeping in mind that it learns from flags to some unknown degree)
 
 
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2:28 AM
Triaging is... entertaining. Today's tidbit...
Are you asking for help with basic set operations? The set of competent people who consider function overloading to be a code smell is empty. It's not even clear that the set of all people who consider it to be a code smell has any members ... certainly there's no reason to think that it has "many" members. But whatever members it has need to justify the claim that it's a code smell, and show some understanding of what a code smell is ... if they can't that's a form of incompetence. But what's it to you? Unless by "many" you meant yourself, multiplied to add undue weight to an opinion. — Jim Balter Apr 6 '13 at 2:52
 
2:39 AM
Somebody's trying to start a fight: stackoverflow.com/a/32834346/3093387
 
@closey audit stats
 
@Mogsdad Stats of all tracked audits by tag:
 | Tag Name   | %     | Count |
 |----------------------------|
 | javascript | 27.78 | 5     |
 | c++        | 16.67 | 3     |
 | java       | 11.11 | 2     |
 | r          | 11.11 | 2     |
 | c#         | 5.56  | 1     |
 | sql        | 5.56  | 1     |
 | php        | 5.56  | 1     |
 | angularjs  | 5.56  | 1     |
 | ios        | 5.56  | 1     |
 | fortran    | 5.56  | 1     |
 
@josilber You can't have a fight by yourself. So why don't I sharpen a stick and poke him a little?
 
@Mogsdad As an emacs user, I have no horse in this race.
But I could spare a downvote =)
 
@josilber He could claim to edit on paper for all I care... but I'd still want to know how to disable highlighting, or see how the answer is of tangential interest to the question.
 
2:51 AM
@Mogsdad yup
 
Once again everyone - code-smell review queue is primed. There are questions for down and delete voting - see the status post.
And take a look at the status post too. There are just a handful of questions needing downvotes for the Roomba; I've listed them in the post. There are 50+ needing delete votes as well.
Nighty-night!
 
 
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11:52 AM
@SmokeDetector edited
good morning
@cimmanon boom
 
12:04 PM
Today in everything Looks OK news...
 
it is NAA but i like it
 
Also oddly disputed, but at least here I understand the reflexive clicks - "there's code, must be an answer" (it's quoted from the question for heckling purposes). But I keep hoping that "This should probably be a comment..." will be a tip-off.
 
@PaulRoub stackoverflow.com/… : 50 results of answers containing "This should probably be a comment", 7 of them are accepted
 
@Tunaki I know. I also have saved searches for "this should be a comment" and "this should really be a comment", with "votes:..0". You'd think those are slam-dunks for NAA review, but you'd be mistaken. Of course, some of them are really smart comments that turn into correct answers. In at least one case, I edited out the disclaimer. But those are rare.
 
12:20 PM
thank you robo reviewers.
 
12:36 PM
morning!
 
Plop
 
oh hi
 
How is this supposed to even remotely look like an allegedly useful answer in any kind of possible way? You are just ranting about the question lack of data. — Kyll 12 secs ago
 
@Kyll How did this guy get to almost 100k rep...?
 
12:41 PM
@Siguza [php] gold badge. Many very old PHP answers
 
yeah, i suppose that would do it ^
 
Which are actually pretty good
 
^ do you mind replacing the tag syntax with [php]?
it might confuse people who are looking at the star chart for tags we are working on
 
Oh, sure
 
thanks
 
@NathanOliver I know, I've seen at least 10 "ranting answers" of his so far...
 
Funny that this user rants so much, when the very first line of his profile is basicalyl "Don't waste time ranting"
> “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”
 
@Kyll A self-fulfilling prophecy.
 
So I'm looking at my co-worker's calendar in Outlook. He works in IT. He has an event "Maintenance Weekend" on thursday.
 
@PaulRoub Buuuuurn
 
12:45 PM
but he is not arguing. he just drops a bomb and runs
 
@Kyll Now I get it, that's a warning! Like "Caution! Guard Dog!"
 
@gunr2171 lol
 
@gunr2171 I don't even...
 
@gunr2171 Note : This will be a long week-end. Give a last kiss to wife and kids. That day, I fix this damn [Insert your "favourite" server tech here]."
 
^ nice
(comment to stop ninja edits)
 
12:47 PM
thats a very nice answer ;)
 
@gunr2171 Beat me to it
 
I don't expect him to, so I try not to make it obvious
hum, I wonder if it works if you immediately delete the comment
 
@gunr2171 Do you want to test on one of my or your question?
 
or sandbox
 
Ah yes.
 
12:49 PM
TIME TO PLAY IN SAND!
I'll make a post
 
Have to make my account there too
 
uh, no sandbox on MSO?
only MSE?
 
Apparently?
What could be done on MSO and not on MSE?
 
...and MSE isn't loading...
 
Yes, it's in the red
 
12:51 PM
ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
 
So how do we do that? You post something, I comment, delete my comment, then you try to edit?
 
yep
all within 5 minutes
 
Okay. Give me the link of your post as soon as you've managed to write it
 
as soon as I can load the page
 
Lol
 
12:52 PM
SO terribly slow for you too?
 
Yes
 
Down for me
 
Was going 502 and 521 earlier
 
(Cloudflare 521)
 
just MSE, but it's good now
 
12:53 PM
@Tunaki i got the "its us, not you" error page earlier
 
hum, to twitter!
 
What the hell? I just earned 100 rep on SO!
 
So is fine for me. MSE slow
 
 
@Kyll yeah association bonus.
 
12:54 PM
\o/
 
@Kyll Association Bonus :)
 
Yeah, that's a nice thing.
 
yeah, but it shows they got the rep bonus on SO?
 
I actually got both
When I linked my account to MSE
 
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A: Formatting Sandbox

gunr2171This is a test to try out grace period editing. Due to new logic, the grace period ends if a new comment is added. But what happens if that comment is deleted? Edit Log v1 - #1 - Initial Post

 
12:55 PM
lol
 
but hold a second
 
Do I comment now?
 
ok, go
 
Commented
Comment seen?
 
yep
now delete and I'll edit
 
12:56 PM
Deleting.
 
Anyone think it would be okay just to create an MSO sandbox?
 
Deleted
@gunr2171 Clear for edit
@NathanOliver Why? Is there any functionality on SO and not on other sites?
 
edited
OH, it's the same revision!
well, another victory for science
 
?
 
@Kyll Just so SO user don't need to create an MSE account.
 
12:57 PM
@NathanOliver and the MSE one is rather large, 366 answers
 
@NathanOliver Well I'll create one
We'll see if it gets closed or deleted
 
Btw, how come I can't add an answer to the sandbox? It says you need 10 rep, and I have 101...
 
there is a message box at the top warning you about >30 posts, but I was able to add just fine
 
@Siguza maybe it is not including the association bonus towards rep needed on protected questions.
 
@NathanOliver That would be a weird thing to do no?
 
12:59 PM
yes and no
 
IDK. it would help against spammers me thinks
 
Wait, maybe not. I think I've read about very off-topic questions, answers and edits coming from new users "trusted" across the network
 
Grrr.
 
: (
 
I can edit the sandbox though.
 
1:00 PM
Just one more reason for an MSO sandbox
 
Writing a short one
 
@Kyll maybe we should ask meta first if they like the idea?
 
@NathanOliver Well if they don't like it it will be quickly downvoted, closed, and deleted
 
there is that :P
 
thanks for that @Kyll
 
1:06 PM
@gunr2171 \o/
Do I tag with support or discussion?
 
same as parent meta post?
 
support markdown community-wiki testing sandbox
 
support, markdown, community-wiki, testing, sandbox
 
Ah, yes
 
:P
mine has commas
 
1:08 PM
@Kyll I would just click edit on the MSE sandbox, copy the text and then paste that into the MSO sandbox. also make it a CW
 
@NathanOliver I copied some of the content, not all. Should I keep the 2010 inlining update thing and the guildelines?
 
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Q: Sandbox to test Stackoverflow features

lrineauI wonder if there exists a sandbox page, in Stackoverflow, where one can test the formatting syntax in posts (Q/A) and comments?

still suggesting that we make a MSO sandbox though, just searching for other posts about it
 
@Kyll I would
 
Lol
Easter egg in the sandbox: <!-- unicorn hat -->
 
nice
 
1:13 PM
> make an MSE account to sue it
AND MAKE IT CW!!!!
quick!
 
How?
Not managing that o_o
 
check box at bottom right
when editing
I think
 
I swear there's none
 
uh....
 
Deleted
No point if it's not a community wiki
Where the heck is that checkbox
 
1:15 PM
@Kyll bottom right of editor box
 
hum... let me look at this
 
@NathanOliver I know! I can see it on SO, not MSO
Wait I don't
I don't see it on questions
 
weird, I don't see it on SO either
when making a question
 
I can see it on answers all right
Not questions
 
@Kyll me either
 
1:17 PM
might need to ask a mod?
 
Yep
I'll add a comment as soon as I posted
 
Ah I know. There is no rep on MSO so no reason to have it as a CW
 
@JonClements we've got CW question/request for you if you've got a minute
 
@NathanOliver I don't see any CW checkbox when I try to post a question on SO
 
1:18 PM
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Q: Formatting sandbox

KyllMSE has a formatting sandbox that is getting fairly large and require SO users to make an MSE account to use it. It is getting fairly large with a few hundred answers. As such, feel free to use this question as a sandbox. You can : edit this question itself (Community Wiki questions such as th...

Let's see how it gets received =D
 
-1 already
 
We're thinking we need a MSO sandbox, but Kyll is having a hard time making it CW
did we mess up, or can you help?
 
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A: Clean-up by downvoting? A ridiculous user experience

durron597Before I say anything else: Mea culpa. Even though I am not one of the 6 downvotes on this answer, this is my fault. I have personally encouraged this sort of behavior in the past, been told to stop (and have personally stopped), but failed to properly educate my friends to not resort to this s...

 
Yeah there is no option to turn a question into a CW on SO that I can find either
 
SO Rules Reminder: Organized downvoting is not cool. Please stop. Mention the roomba in MSO wiki posts, where it is public, not privately here.
 
1:22 PM
Cerbrus does not like
 
yeah, but so far it's only one
@Kyll, have you mod flagged your post to try and get it CW? that might work better
 
@gunr2171 Ah, good idea!
 
all, I would advise not engaging with Cerbrus any more
 
We're talking post formatting there, not user formatting
 
@KevinBrown, might want to see the bold above
 
1:33 PM
man cerbrus really doesn't like the MSO sandbox. oh well.
 
like I said, just don't engage anymore
 
yeah I stoped
damn 2 CV's now
 
@durron597 Ok. So now I'm a "dick", according to Shog. Great. So, is it time we overhauled our approach to burnination, and cease pushing questions into the Roomba altogether?
Along with no tag edits of questions to be deleted, I guess to avoid bumping crap questions to the home page?
 
We did talk about downvotes in the RO meeting, I don't like it, and rene doesn't but understands why it's nessissary.
 
It's not necessary, just within our abilities. Close-voting the questions on the tags we've been cleaning up is much less effective.
 
1:40 PM
If removing a tag from a closed question (which tautologically adds no new information) didn't bump the question, life might be simpler for everyone.
6
 
@Mogsdad Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you all pushing things in line for the Roomba because you have way too few delete votes to spend?
 
@Mogsdad Just don't talk about it privately. Leave roomba stuff on MSO only for now.
Which means you probably won't be able to pull together 6 downvotes on an answer anymore... which is
@PaulRoub I think you should make an MSO post about that.
 
@durron597 I like this as I have never felt comfortable downvoting answers to get the question deleted. Question not so bad as of it is a bad question it should be downvoted.
 
@Mogsdad Do you agree that the vast majority of questions that we target for cleanup are 1) low score enough that need maximum 2 users to get roomba eligible 2) have an accepted answer so need delete votes anyway 3) probably could be salvaged by editing
the minority of -2 Q / +6 A questions etc. that are affected by this could and should just get delete votes anyway.
@SmokeDetector rolled back
 
There should be a close reason "Is a Yes/No question".
 
1:54 PM
hum.... Should we tell this guy that this sort of edit isn't a rollback?
 
@Siguza eh... "Yes because" and "No because" are real answers.
 
@durron597 "Because" would answer a "why". I'm talking about all those "can it be done?" questions, to which the short answer would be yes or no, and the long answer too broad.
 
@Siguza Then vote to close as too broad
 
@durron597 agreed
 
I'm doing that, but I feel like this doesn't really help the asker... but then again, if Google couldn't help them, maybe nothing can.
 
1:58 PM
@durron597 Hi, I was AFK for a bit. 1) I think that about 1/3 of the questions that get voted-to-zero I have been handling myself and might need one more vote from another user. "Most" though? Probably 3-4 users. Anything needing 6+ on the question we definitely delete-vote. With answers, I'm not so sure. We don't have a way to pull them out of the down-vote queries, and I bet we're getting a few 6+ answers downvoted.
 
@Mogsdad If you see them during a downvote query, toss a delete vote on it, and leave them to the end.
 
@durron597 2) Accepted questions & answers are targeted for delete-votes; we don't organize downvoting on them at all because it's ineffective. Same for duplicates.
 
@Mogsdad I was categorizing the questions that we tend to have once we get to an "everything is closed" stage in the process.
 
@NathanOliver 3 CV. It is just a matter of time before it is closed I think
 
@durron597 I do, providing I have delete votes & the question is accepting them. I also ask here for delete votes on them sometimes, to get them out of the query that everyone is using. But that leaves a window during which they may get initial downvotes that make them appear to fit the downvote criteria.
 
2:03 PM
@Mogsdad I am not asking you to stop downvoting off topic answers.
I am asking you to stop doing in here where there's no transparency.
Powers in aggregate are significantly more powerful that powers by one user, and voting cabals are explicitly against site rules
the fact that we are using these powers for good is not relevant.
We have you, me, Paul, josilber, cimmanon, nathan, rizier123, rene, artjom all with delete votes as frequent room regulars
 
@durron597 3) If I didn't edit and rehabilitate so many questions already, I'd actually feel bad about not getting them all. But for those that head towards closure and deletion, there is an "on hold" period during which anyone can edit the question into shape.
 
we have the delete votes.
 
@Cerbrus it's already closed
 
@durron597 Uh - have I done that? I don't think so. I have asked for attention on particular questions that are already included in status posts.
 
@Cerbrus Closed. Actually we didn't know if this was a good idea to bring this here, so I went ahead and tried =p
 
2:07 PM
45 secs ago o.o
Oh xD
I should totally read up
 
hi @AndrewRussell
 
I'm going to leave the post around for a while
If no one sees any interest in it, I'll just delete it
 
@durron597 All those are questions that were already in the vtz query on the status post.
 
@Siguza no plz (imo)
 
@Siguza While I can definitely see some benefit in that kind of post (like the tests me and @gunr2171 did earlier) I'm not sure engaging in a close/reopen war is necessary
 
@Cerbrus I just disagree with your claim that it's unnecessary, because I'm unable to add an answer to the MSE sandbox due to association bonus not counting towards the 10 rep required to answer a protected question...
 
10 rep
 
What the hell do I have to contribute to MSE?
 
Are you seriously arguing that users that lack 10 rep is enough of a reason to cross-post an exact duplicate?
Suggest some edits
 
2:13 PM
@Cerbrus I also thought it'd be a cool place for newbs to try out stuff in formatting without the constant fear of messing up and getting downvotes/flags
 
10 rep is never a good reason.
@Kyll: They can go to SE for that, too.
Or start writing their own post, and look at the preview.
I have yet to read a strong argument for keeping an exact duplicate.
 
@Cerbrus Indeed, but it's a bit weird to ask them to go to another site, linking their account there, and for some start over because they don't have enough rep to edit stuff
 
That's like that time when you had to create a G+ account in order to continue using your YouTube account
 
@Siguza I already had an google account.
@Kyll They already went to another site, visiting the meta.
 
@Siguza @Cerbrus Can we drop this?
 
2:18 PM
And if they know enough about SO to find that sandbox, they're clever enough to link their accounts on SE
Can't drop my google account. I've grown to depend on it.
 
@gunr2171 Thanks for the heads up, definitely noted
 
2:34 PM
damn I need 4 more rep to downvote. then I would lose the down vote privilege again.
 
@NathanOliver This is like being rich, but having a shop that doesn't accept your currency, and there's no such thing as currency conversion, so you're "not rich in this currency". Fucking rep.
 
yeah
 
Answer a question, get upvoted / accepted, get enough rep for 6-21 downvotes
 
@NathanOliver yeah there like a thousand answers
 
@NathanOliver The question is still there though. CV as unclear?
 
3:53 PM
@durron597 @rene @gunr2171 - I've updated the status post to remove all down-voting activities, as durron did to . My assumption is that we'll be asking mods or Shog himself to burninate tags once we've done a clean-up, which is fine by me. (Edit + de/re-tag "good" Q&A, downvote bad posts, delete-vote reasonably sized cruft-piles, say <100 as per When to burninate.)
... I forgot to say closing nonredeemable questions would remain part of the work-flow.
 
what's the roomba threshold for questions? -1 and no answers? Or does it also need to be closed?
 
I think it also needs to be closed
Though there are definitely thresholds for open ones, but I think those depend on views as well
 
looks like it's 30 days for negative score questions with no answers
 
@KevinBrown Abandoned questions (0 answers) can be deleted when open, if they are inactive long enough. Need 0 or -1 votes, depending on #views.
Philosophical question... should one revisit ones' downvotes-for-roomba that are still around, and reverse them?
... I can single-handedly pull 100+ questions out of the way of the roomba.
 
Closing this question - after 6 years - is simply destructive stupidity. — peterh 2 days ago
Somebody's salty
@Mogsdad and age, I think. 365 days for 0 score, 30 days for -1
 
4:09 PM
@TylerH Not enough to edit the question into on-topicness, though...
 
It is sorrowful to see, how the current, braindamaged robo-closers are destroying the once wonderful content of the SE. — peterh 2 days ago
He's on a roll
well, was, two days ago
 
@peterh - That's a valid opinion. As it stands, I think think the question meets the off-topic criteria. If you take the time to edit so it is clearly on-topic, I'd happily support you. Ping me when you're ready! — Mogsdad 32 secs ago
@TylerH Looks like he deleted that one.
 
@Mogsdad no, I flagged for a moderator and asked BoltClock to look into it
having him go around commenting on each question with CVs on it is useless noise
peterh hasn't been online for half an hour
 
@TylerH Why do we make posts on Meta anyway?
 
to hear ourselves talk
so to speak
no pun intended
 
5:02 PM
@Kyll boom
 
5:15 PM
@josilber flagged.
 
@PaulRoub needs one more
 
5:46 PM
@TylerH The dupe target has been modified to be an actual feature request (and thus an actual dupe)
 
Rude
So much for letting sleeping dogs lie
 
@tripleee You requested that yesterday.
 
user4639281
@tripleee Done
 
@josilber done
 
thanks!
 

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