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8:03 PM
@Mogsdad @PaulRoub Voted on all
@Mogsdad What tag are you seeding the most lately (for when I do reviews later)?
 
@durron597 Started with , but got sidetracked. Having too much fun with "try http://". But getting back at it - will post when I'm out of time or votes, whichever occurs first.
 
user4639281
8:23 PM
@Siguza It just uses the information on the page, so when searching for the usercard it returns a null user either way for unregistered, deleted or cw posts. We first ran into the problem when testing it on a CW question, so that's what descriptor it got. I have to write some more logic into it to determine if the user just isn't registered.
 
later guys
 
user4639281
later :)
 
@durron597 There are questions queued up for close votes.
^^^^ ... & anyone else looking to invest their votes wisely!
 
8:40 PM
@Mogsdad the audits are the ones not edited by you or @PaulRoub
 
@Closey starting
 
@gunr2171 Happy reviewing!
 
I'll get through as many as I can in 20 minutes, that's all the time i've got
i'l work on the [party] tags
 
party!
 
yup
 
8:47 PM
@gunr2171 I'm adding new ones to as we speak
 
ok, I might not get them right now (got 10 minutes left)
I love posts that have a "my question" section but doesn't contain a question mark.
 
ughhh there's both and
Honestly I bet there are a bunch of related tags.
 
@Mogsdad Lol you and I are editing / vtcing the same posts.
 
@gunr2171 PDF (n.) Stands for Pretty Dumb Format
 
8:51 PM
@TylerH that is a true statement
 
@durron597 Noticed that... pay attention to "an edit has been made"!
 
user4639281
 
@TinyGiant that link doesn't work for me.
 
@Mogsdad I made a meta request to put a temporary editing lock on a post once you start editing.
It was downvoted because people like being wrong
 
user4639281
8:52 PM
@durron597 Try this one
 
@TinyGiant nope. I'm not using the new interface btw
 
user4639281
oh
 
or or or or or
 
user4639281
It's too long of a query for the basic search lol
 
8:55 PM
yeah but many of those tags should exist.
 
user4639281
5 mins ago, by durron597
Honestly I bet there are a bunch of related tags.
 
user4639281
Didn't specify "that shouldn't exist"
 
Clearly NAA, probably spam but not too blatant enough to spam flag
 
passed api audit
6 more, must power through!
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[third-party]"
@Closey end session
 
@gunr2171 I have forcefully ended your last session. To see more details use the command last session stats. In addition, the number of review items is most likely not set, use the command last session edit count <new count> to fix that.
 
9:02 PM
@Closey last session edit count 36
 
Review item count has been changed:
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and I'm out, bye!
 
@Closey starting
 
@rene Don't get lost in the queue!
 
Alright, his edit crossed the line.
 
9:11 PM
@TylerH I don't see much need for it, really. If you're watching lq or something, you'll infrequently get told that your edit is in conflict. If instead you were told that someone else was editing, you might move on, and the crap question would remain because nobody edits better than you. (Or they may abandon it.)
 
user4639281
@rene: when you're done reviewing could I utilize your SQL expertise?
 
sure
 
@Mogsdad My request was for just editing a post from the normal question page, not while within the queue
it isn't something that's needed often but sometimes it's really needed and it's hella annoying that it's not a thing
 
@TylerH Well... then even less call for it, wouldn't you think?
 
any call is still call
 
9:13 PM
Hmm. Start saving your edit with every keystroke, so the other editors get pissed and give up?
 
user4639281
So this editing lock would then disallow me to force reject an edit by overriding it?
 
Also that ^^^
And the ever-present question of what "editing" means in a client-server system.
Would I have a time limit on my edit?
 
@TinyGiant my request was just to lock it for a few seconds
 
user4639281
@TylerH Ok, nevermind then.
 
based on my experiences with trying to do substantial edits to a post but halfway through (aka 2 minutes in) I see that grey bar and am like "oh, someone beat me to it" and then I click it and see they just added a tag or something
 
user4639281
9:16 PM
I still think it would be more useful to have a counter on each question "3 viewing, 2 editing, 4 commenting, 1 answering" etc.
 
obviously it wouldn't help in that specific case, but...
@TinyGiant they'd have to totally rework the backend of the site
it's not really optimized for that right now
 
user4639281
@TylerH I do that to my projects once a month.
 
user4639281
Just for good measure.
 
@durron597: it's fine; multiple flags on one post count as one in the overall flag count, I just wanted to let you know we already are made aware. But if you do see duplicate posts that are several days old, it could be that the dupe flagging process missed it for whatever reasons and flagging may well be useful there.
 
passed java audit
 
9:20 PM
@MartijnPieters So this was autoflagged? I intentionally didn't flag it this time.
 
It is.
Handled.
 
He's up to 5 now.
Thanks
 
We currently have 1500+ flags outstanding. I have had less time to process the queue and it's been slowly ballooning.
 
@MartijnPieters Too bad bill retired and they took bluefeet away from you :-/
 
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 2 hours to continue reviewing.
 
9:21 PM
@rene Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
@Closey last session stats
 
@rene Your last completed review session ended 12 seconds ago and lasted 15 minutes and 17 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 22 seconds.
 
@MartijnPieters Vast majority of handled flags these days seem to be you and Flexo. At least my flags.
 
I'm out of votes, and have just updated the third-party progress post. C U Later!
 
9:39 PM
@durron597 deleted, vote to delete its dupe target? stackoverflow.com/questions/212444/…
 
@cimmanon that was the intent, but I'm out of deletes now. I'll hit it tomorrow.
 
@durron597 already told you - get more rep :)
 
@JonClements slightly hard to get 850 rep in one day
 
@durron597 that just means you are not trying hard enough :-P
 
I may have overlooked in my quick skim of your rep activity
 
9:46 PM
Retroactively ironic retag by @Mogsdad: stackoverflow.com/posts/18038152/revisions
 
@durron597 No, I got 745 once.
June 18th, 2014.
I got 350 in bounties that day.
 
But you're just unique Ninja :p
 
@MartijnPieters Still, not 850 ;)
gotta run
 
run
 
@durron597 don't challenge him, he'll end up doing it! :p
 
9:49 PM
@durron597 others have made much more in a day.
 
We are all here to make sure @durron597 feels bad about not earning rep quickly...
 
yeah why not? Not like he every does anything else to contribute to the site is it? :p
(and I really hope that :p came across as the joke it was meant to be rather than a slur)
 
You'll know when he gets back. If you get kicked from the room you have your answer ;)
 
Ahh - well, he'd have to ask me to leave voluntarily in that case :)
 
I'll grab the popcorn when that happens
 
9:58 PM
heck, if you can find a way to actually kick me - that'd be interesting :p
@rene mine's a sweet popcorn (preferably with a bit of toffee) and maybe some orange fizzy - k thx :p
 
10:18 PM
@JonClements Does that answer your question?
 
@durron597 User is not blacklisted.
 
@JonClements In all seriousness, there are far more people with poor tact than there are people who are jerks pointlessly for no reason, so I basically always assume everything is a joke, even if it's not obvious what is meant like it was in that particular case.
 
just going to plug in the ear phones
put on some of my favourite music
look at the flaq queue, and if I don't see one on the first page of yours @durron597 - I'm going to be masively surprised
 
grabs popcorn, just in case
 
10:27 PM
I'm out, need sleep...
 
Unfortunately I need to run, I hope others can look at those more carefully than I have.
@JonClements Given that I have 68 pending review ATM, I wouldn't be surprised at all.
bye all
 
user4639281
Bye :)
 
Yam
10:51 PM
Shutdown successful.
 
@JonClements Do the flags display who raised the flag in the mod UI? I thought I read somewhere that they didn't for comment flags?
@Closey starting
 
@josilber Don't get lost in the queue!
 
@josilber for some it does... for others - it doesn't
the idea is that the flag is raised on the post, not the user raising it etc...
and it doesn't take long for a mod to know who is raising those anyway
 
@JonClements Makes sense, thanks! I had always assumed it as kind of semi-anonymous (like mods could check who raised if they wanted but didn't really look too much).
 
mods have a lot of tools available to assist in their role - I can't detail them - but yeah, if we want to look into something seriously, we can use those tools, and if not sufficient, ask a CM to do so to confirm out suspicion/otherise
only thing we can't see is individual voting
and that's been the ethos of the system from the start - and I agree with it
 
11:08 PM
@JonClements Makes sense. Wish I had mod tools to dig into some of the things I run into on the site -- I feel like I often flag with my suspicions and move on because that's all I have the tools to do, when I wish I could do the whole investigation.
Guess I could run for mod :p
 
@josilber hey - next election - go for it
just say to you as I've said to others - you'd need to step back a lot
 
@JonClements What do you mean exactly?
 
everything you do is a binding vote
you couldn't work the way you now do on the site
 
@JonClements Do you think this room is too aggressive in closing material (or me)?
I always try to close vote thinking about the meta post/rant that could follow a bad choice
 
why do you ask?
 
11:16 PM
@JonClements Oh, just because you were saying I couldn't work like I do on the site. I thought you were saying I close things that a mod wouldn't close. May have misunderstood.
 
nope - wasn't saying that
imagine you didn't have review limits or close vote limits and could delete anything you fancied... would you feel comfortable being able to do so?
 
@JonClements Well, I'd be hella careful, that's for sure. I perceive that anything a mod does wrong immediately is all over meta.
I guess I would also do a lot less looking for bad material and a lot more going through the flag list.
So I guess I see your point -- I would change how I use the site a lot.
 
and be comfortable with what "goes on behind the scenes"?
 
As a mod you have a lot of eyes looking at you, and you end up making binding decisions, so you wouldn't be able to toss 50 close votes at questions you think might need to be closed
 
@JonClements Definitely the part I would be least sure about. We get lots of practice on the site moderating posts (and lots of meta covers that topic), but not a lot of practice with what goes on behind the scenes.
 
11:23 PM
@josilber indeed :)
I get annoyed with some comments "my flag hasn't been looked at yet"
we have enough on
let's just put it in your hands for an example @josilber: when do you and don't you destroy an account?
or... when, just destroy all answers from a user
or... when you do that, how long is it until a user shouts and says "that's unfair"
 
@JonClements Right, I get that these are tough. I was just reading the whole Sasha and geochet incidents today trying to understand how it went down.
Delete account entirely -- spammer or other abuser (e.g. gibberish), with no useful contributions
I saw Jeff saying that penalty box was more effective than account deletion for trolls
Some high quality some spam, I guess delete the spam and keep the account
That's essentially what happened with my spam ring
I thought that was handled pretty much perfectly by the mods
Delete all accounts except the one that had a decent number of good contributions
 
Thing is though, if you had unilaterally delete/close privs... how'd you use them?
you couldn't use them in this room any more for instance
 
@JonClements I would just live in the flag queue processing flags.
Right now I pretty much live on the "New Answers to Old Questions" list, because it brings low-quality content to you
Hence all my flags
 
@josilber would that make you think your contributions were better or worse?
 
@JonClements Better, I think. I can only flag 50 things a day right now, and most of them are mundane -- "Thanks your answer helped" as a new answer to an old question. On the flag list you can process more than that, and I would think they're on average more interesting moderation cases.
(Though I'd imagine the comment flag list is kinda boring)
 
11:36 PM
@josilber it's not a "romantic" role - on a site as large as SO - it's janitorial
 
@JonClements Right, I guess I like janitor stuff, and it seems like the flag list is more interesting impactful janitor stuff than my current list ("New Answers to Old Questions")
 
Ditto
 
I used to use SO pretty much exclusively by refreshing the [r] question list. Now I use it pretty much exclusively by refreshing the new answers to old questions list.
 
apparently, I'm the last mod anyone voted for, but sighs will live with that
 
@JonClements :). OK, sorry for derailing your run through the flag list. Thanks for chatting -- was very helpful.
passed js audit
passed java audit
passed php audit
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11:56 PM
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@Closey end session
 
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@Closey last session stats 40
 
@josilber Sorry, I don't understand that. Use commands for a list of commands.
 
@Closey last session edit count 40
 
11:57 PM
Review item count has been changed:
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Start Time: 2015-09-14 22:55:25 UTC
End Time: 2015-09-14 23:56:59 UTC
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@Closey last session stats
 
@josilber Your last completed review session ended 38 seconds ago and lasted 1 hour, 1 minute and 34 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 1 minute and 32 seconds.
 
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