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10:01 AM
Test post again...
Test post again...
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times...
 
@HostileFork Sounds like rerun season
 
Hello from fiendish Dr. Chiu's R3-GUI chat client, that is now working on 32-bit Ubuntu Linux, running Atronix Rebol build.
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nice!
 
10:16 AM
we were talking about a central db of message classifications .. so we can get altme type functionality
 
a browser client shows all messages but a r3 client would show messages as in groups
 
Hopefully the R3 client would also have a "fire hose" tab to see them all as you would in the web client
 
@HostileFork yeah ... images are not shown in correct size
@HostileFork sure .. an all mode
 
If you could multi select a conversation after the fact and just drop it in the right tag, that could be a more practical version of SO's current conversation tagging thing, which we've used exactly once I think
 
10:18 AM
conversation tagging?
don't recall that ...
 
Oh, 8 times apparently

Carl Sassenrath's First Visit to SO Chat

May 28 '13 at 2:44, 1 hour 53 minutes total – 341 messages, 11 users, 8 stars

Bookmarked Jun 18 '13 at 6:49 by HostileFork

 
@rebolek is tab-box working?
 

Fork Foresees Presentation Connector Logistics

Jun 19 '13 at 12:18, 1 hour total – 20 messages, 4 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked Jul 12 '13 at 18:55 by HostileFork

Ah, I love having things on record.
 
So, each conversation can persist as a group?
if that is the case, we don't need to tag?
 
You can bookmark ranges if you think it's important.
Well, I think it's just a range
And it limits you to some length, I forget what
 
10:21 AM
Would need a reliable db server then
Just passing rebol blocks
anyway, that's rough idea of how it might work ...
 
@GrahamChiu Well, you could make them JSON and pass them to MongoDB and it would be pretty easy. Blackhighlighter uses MongoDB and while it's nothing fancy it works.
Easier than having to fret over some RebolDB
 
so to post, you'd need some credentials
 
It's interesting in any case. An embrace-and-extend sort of idea for vectoring out of AltME and laying some foundations for a new open source Rebol chat
 
that way we filter out spam ..
because we don't see messages from people who don't use the client
or, their messages become uncategorized
extend and conquer
 
@GrahamChiu should be, but I want to rewrite it.
 
10:28 AM
@rebolek Ok, I was going to start using tab-box for the chat client but never got it working
 
@GrahamChiu note that while tabs for different tags is good, there are some people who also want to monitor multiple rooms. And I have always said that some day we're going to want to hand over to idle chatter kind of like the JavaScript room, which phase more freely in and out of conversation to programming...while serious dev chat is elsewhere.
 
well, we could have multiple tabs for different rooms. But just use a single tab, and filter on that for topics
 
While we were trending toward a volume for a time where it looked like it was getting close to that, there's been some idling and attrition last couple of months. Need some kind of shot in the arm to keep people on the daily engagement, as you've said.
If Carl will hear my plea I think that would kick off at least a few things
 
@GrahamChiu I need it also for one Saphir project, but first I need to fix some unrelated web stuff :( It's driving me crazy...
 
@rebolek I last tried it in June 2013
 
10:31 AM
Testing editing in chat client
Testing editing in chat client does it work?
 
@HostileFork nope
wanted to get to the point where we could post!
the icon bar does not update either
 
You are sharing lib code with RebolBot?
 
well, it was part of my original code .. not taken from lib/bot
we have common ancestry
the client does code indenting
 
Well it's certainly a good start, I think the people who are working in R3-GUI day to day, such as @ShixinZeng, would find it compelling to use and improve such a client.
 
reply to messages ( click on the right column )
multiline posts are a problem because of no line wrap in the text-table
it would be good if we had a demo r3-gui tool ... for use on SO.
 
10:36 AM
Are you using the same poll period as the web client?
 
yes, but you can change it to 2 seconds. Might be better
or change it dynamically :)
depending on traffic
 
Well, do whatever they do to not irritate them
 
I don't know how often the browser client refreshes
 
Well I think it's a good start. Nice work @GrahamChiu.
 
@HostileFork thanks
It's basically rebolbot + r3gui :)
 
10:41 AM
Probably the best idea would be to focus on defining the layout and everything for mobile first, because it's easier to be competitive with the lousy mobile UI for chat.
 
oh .. yeah. tricky because the droid client is so slow wrt the gui
so I was thinking of not using r3-gui but Android layouts instead
or just show one message at a time :(
 
I guess I sort of have to think about exactly what I find lacking about the existing chat interface. I like it pretty much and actually am not troubled by the lack of tagging within rooms. I think rooms represent a good granularity, and there's a bunch of them. We don't use a lot of them because it would distribute the traffic too much and probably annoy the moderators. Yet at the same time, you can create one off rooms for a conversation with a single person.
 
I did post some code which crashes on Nexus 7 but works on other droid devices
so, this is an issue. And droid seems not being updated.
 
It is still kind of interesting to me that we're room #291, and that is a low number... up above 50,000 if you create new ones
 
@HostileFork err .. you're the one who created the room!
I was user #2 or was it @earl
Now I knew how to create an Altme style interface with multiline messages in R2/VID but I have no idea of how to do this in R3-gui
 
10:46 AM

The Very First Day of Starting Our Little Chat

Oct 30 '10 at 21:07, 2 hours 52 minutes total – 191 messages, 4 users, 4 stars

Bookmarked 6 secs ago by HostileFork

 
@GrahamChiu Certainlynot with text-table, it's not meant for this.
I would use normal panel and add dynamically each message to it.
 
@rebolek sure, it's temporary
@rebolek looking forward to your PR :)
 
Hm, I don't remember being anti-task that early on
 
@GrahamChiu I'm going to write client for HipChat anyway, so I guess the UI can be used for more backends
 
But I guess I was
 
10:49 AM
one of the issues with r3-gui is that there is a divergence between the docs and the current code
@HostileFork anti-qtask?
 
Oct 30 '10 at 23:34, by earl
don't star me, you!
Hm, I starred that and I guess you can't retroactively star things and have it show up in the sidebar now based on date of starring
@GrahamChiu Anti TASK!
 
@rebolek sounds like you have lots of things to do
 
Rebol wasn't designed from the beginning with parallelism in mind, and stapling it on after the fact doesn't seem a good fit in a world when we run browsers with an OS process per tab
 
@GrahamChiu It would be fun, once I get rid of the stupid web stuff I must finish.
 
@rebolek pays the bills I guess
 
10:55 AM
@GrahamChiu Exactly.
 
@HostileFork I am imagining lots of processes handling different jobs for my EMR, so I may have to GO elsewhere
 
@GrahamChiu Then start processes and message between them.
Or use Red
 
@HostileFork yes, it may come to that
Forth had multitasking in a tiny binary in the 50s
 
Red's plan is apparently do do something much like R3-GUI but use the native widgets and not try this reimplementation on AGG thing that keeps getting done.
 
Here we are in 2010+ and we don't have that.
 
10:59 AM
Ecology demands different things of systems
 
AGG is a dead end
now that the author has died
 
It certainly adds a tough angle onto an already challenging development choice to "reimplement every widget"
 
@HostileFork we were talking about a Rebol editor and you were a little dismissive. But like emacs, we can run code in the editor.
Just not lisp
 
@GrahamChiu Cyphre wants to switch to OpenGL from AGG
 
Well, I don't know about priorities in terms of trying to compete in an already fragmented situation on a commodity like text editing... it's just about what effort to put where.
 
11:05 AM
@HostileFork that's okay .. I can multitask even if Rebol can't :)
I'd like to add some context sensitive help too.
@rebolek do you know how to highlight text in the area face?
 
@GrahamChiu with mouse or with shift+arrows
Pretty standard, I think.
 
Back in a bit, getting light out, have to return to the coffin for a while.
 
@GrahamChiu GO? Go looked very promising, until I realised that it would never ever have a GUI interface. Then I found out about REBOL. Go has progressed more then 10000+ mails, but virtually is exact the same as the first day I encountered it.
The game of Go is very interesting though..
 
11:22 AM
@rebolek using code ... not hardware
Now on motel free wifi .. and it's exceedingly slow :(
 
11:40 AM
Yes Kaj has also made a GTK binding for Red. Bet that is more usable than Go's. (If only I had any decent clue of how to get GTK on my Mac using a dmg, not compiling it myself)
Still calling a library is not the same thing as a native support for a GUI. And Go will still be dependency hell compared to Rebol/Red.
 
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5:26 PM
Hi everyone :)
 
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@TerrenceBrannon Hello :)
 
@TerrenceBrannon no one here except us bots :)
and night owls
 
@GrahamChiu that depends on timezone :)
 
I thought of REBOL when I was looking over a Factor example just now.
 
5:28 PM
@TerrenceBrannon We dropped the all caps recently
It's just Rebol these days
 
@TerrenceBrannon Carl has agreed to this.
I don't think we have many Factor users here ...
The outreach to the Forth community turned out poorly !
@HostileFork want to outreach to the Factor crowd?
 
I like the caps
 
5:55 PM
@GrahamChiu do you have any experience with sending POST request from R3?
 
 
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7:03 PM
@rebolek It's just write url postdata or write url [ POST [ .. headers ] postdata ]
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Q: How to send HTTP POST requests using only Rebol3

dreamyTotoWhat is the simplest way of sending HTTP POST requests and getting response (in XML format for example) using only Rebol3? Is there an equivalent of using read/custom in Rebol2, as it is done in this question? How to send an HTTP post with a custom header using REBOL And where should I be donw...

there is a problem though if the response involves a redirect so I have modified the prot-http to give more information back.
@JacobGood1 it's more work .. either you have to hold down the shift key, or use the shift lock twice
 
7:54 PM
posted on April 22, 2014 by IngoHohmann

[Wish] Currently, you need to 'bind the body of a function manually, to be able to access words in the object. Make this binding automatic, but add an /only refinement to not bind.

 
8:50 PM
@GrahamChiu hehe, welp I guess that is a good enough argument for me. I just like how it appears as if I am screaming REBOL every time, because I really am irl.
 
 
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11:07 PM
@GrahamChiu left the Rebol SO chat client running, the GUI has hung (whole screen frozen, grayed out) but the console has the last message from @JacobGood1. Let's see if it picks this one up too..
It did not, and so presumably it hung sometime when I went in and reactivated it. Computer fan is coming on so it's in an infinite loop somewhere.
 
Is The console okay?
 
I could Ctrl-C it. The UI was still frozen, killed that. Is there a way to find out where you are looping in a GUI if it's still up and the console is running?
 
there is an infinite polling loop present
It updates the time on +he left
to show the polling is actiVe
 
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    <content> {@GrahamChiu hehe, welp I guess that is a good enough argument for me.  I just like how it appears as if I am screaming REBOL every time, because I really am irl.}
    <user_id> 3330670
    <user_name> "Jacob Good1"
    <room_id> 291
    <message_id> 16002606
    <parent_id> 16000725
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message-id: 16002606
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