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12:26 AM
@HostileFork SL4A works! Also with android layouts
4
 
@giuliolunati Neat! Screenshots?
 
Not yet, just finished first test. Now I sleep, tomorrow hope to publish first things!
 
@giuliolunati only take a min to do a screenshot My Nexus 7 does that with hardware button combination
But congratulations
@HostileForkwhat about Couchbase?
 
12:55 AM
@GrahamChiu Haven't used it. Have seen people say it's better, but it may be better in a "Postgres is better than Mysql" way... perhaps technically superior but not as widely deployed on things like Heroku or Nodejitsu or whatever.
And I don't get the feeling that the gap in quality is as significant as the gap between Postgres and Mysql, but I haven't researched enough
 
Just mentioned it since there is a Rebol driver available
 
@GrahamChiu Well AFAIK they are more or less interchangeable
With MongoDB having a subset of the administrative or higher-level scaling or sharding or transactions, or whatever ability it is that makes CouchBase better
 
ok, then spmething tp lok towards. i do have s couchbasea account but haven't ised it yet
this is what typing blind does for you. the virtual keyboard obscures what you're typing
 
@TerrenceBrannon Hello, what Factor program were you looking at? What is your previous experience with Rebol?
 
but in the days that i had a cbm64 I was able to get the speech syn to speak out each letter as i typed it in
 
1:02 AM
I would make SAM say I8A↑
The caret looked like an up arrow IIRC
Or it pronounced up arrow as caret
 
Awesome work, Dr. Chiu! How can we get our hands on your fiendish project?
 
1:22 AM
April 2014 issue of ODROID Magazine is now available for download (Rebol article starts on p22).
 
1:40 AM
@Respectech Arg, still the old logo ratio! :-/
Hmm, 1100 Q&A
Not too bad I guess
@RebolBot chat for Respectech
 
@HostileFork SO Chat Modification Script @Respectech
 
Hm, I wonder what a RebolBot could do for the graphic design chat
Link saving and tracking introductions, I wonder if anything else
 
posted on April 23, 2014 by Bo

April 2014 issue of ODROID Magazine is now available for download (Rebol article starts on p22). http://magazine.odroid.com/assets/201404/pdf/ODROID-Magazine-201404.pdf

 
2:04 AM
@RebolBot chat
 
hmm. see my github rsochat repo
 
 
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3:05 AM
red> print "I need your SO profile, Rebolbot."
 
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I need your SO profile, Rebolbot.
 
 
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TGD
5:07 AM
@all Do you know why rebol3 behaves like this. It´s not what I would expected.
>> info? rebol.com
 
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== none
 
TGD
>> exists? rebol.com
 
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== none
 
TGD
>> size? rebol.com
 
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== none
 
TGD
5:10 AM
Is that a known bug?
 
@TGD It's not implemented in R3 HTTP protocol.
 
TGD
@rebolek Ah, thanks for the info. Is it very complex to fix the R3 HTTP protocol?
 
@TGD Depends on what you want, but adding these functions should be easy.
For example, I added basic authentication in couple of minutes, but proper redirect to another domain wasn't still added by anyone.
You just need to add query actor to HTTP protocol.
 
i added the redirected location in the error object as a temporary fix
 
TGD
@rebolek Did you made a PR for this?
 
5:24 AM
@TGD Just to Saphirion's internal repository yet.
 
TGD
5:37 AM
@rebolek So the query actor that´s in the HTTP scheme (probe system/schemes/http/actor) needs to be enhanced. Right?
 
@TGD Yes. You can have a look at Redis protocol where it's already implemented. You just create an object with required fields and return it.
 
TGD
@rebolek I`ll look at Redis protocol. Thanks
 
Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ. Cool, you have a reputation score of 148 so chat away!
 
@TGD You're welcome. Feel free to ask if you have any questions.
 
 
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7:21 AM
@GrahamChiu Thanks. Fortunately, I don't need redirect. Unfortunately, HTTPS on Linux seems not to work (always timeout).
 
We need to devise a more useful way of handling the http errors. My suggestion is to add more information into the error object .. since we do have arg1 .. arg3, and only arg1 is used.
 
 
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1:49 PM
Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ. Cool, you have a reputation score of 507 so chat away!
 
2:29 PM
@GrahamChiu @HostileFork -- Published 'frugal install' of Rebol3 in SL4A -- See github.com/giuliolunati/rebol-lib/blob/master/README-sl4a
 
3:00 PM
@RebolBot
power 2 7
 
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== 128.0
 
@redbot
power 2 7
 
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*** Runtime Error 1: access violation
*** at: 00000000h
 
What is this?
Why runtime error? 0.o
@redbot Nice new avatar image :)
 
Can you elaborate on that?
 
3:05 PM
@7hi4g0 In my console it is fine.
 
@WayneTsui i'm using the latest nightly binary
I assume @redbot also
 
3:23 PM
@7hi4g0 Yeah. you are right. But I just compiled a console from the latest source, no issue with it. Very strange!
 
@WayneTsui Don't know if this should be opened as a bug or not
 
@RebolBot The link you provided doesn't look like the R3-GUI chat client from the fiendish Dr. Chiu.
 
@Respectech Please continue.
 
Actually, I meant that message for @HostileFork
 
@redbot
f: function[][ return 1 ] t: f
 
3:34 PM
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== 1
What do you mean?
What do you mean?
 
@redbot
f: function [][ if true [ return true ] ] g: function [][ if f [ return 1]] probe g
 
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true
== true
 
@7hi4g0 Don't know how tryrebol.esperconsultancy.nl works. But it seems that it is not using the latest version. As the bug above should have been fixed.
 
@WayneTsui I think @HostileFork is might know how it works. I think it's him who maintains it
 
3:50 PM
Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ. Cool, you have a reputation score of 23807 so chat away!
 
4:08 PM
Thusitha, Colombo, Sri Lanka
343 3 14
Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ. Cool, you have a reputation score of 343 so chat away!
 
@7hi4g0 Nope, TryRebol is run by my self-declared evil arch enemy Kaj. :-)
Who fights against all the bad things I stand for.
Like collaboration, or using tools that other people use like GitHub.
@RebolBot sochat for Respectech
 
@HostileFork That's very interesting.
 
yesterday, by Graham Chiu
@rebolbot save chat "SO Chat client in R3-GUI" https://github.com/gchiu/RSOChat
@Respectech Looks like RebolBot isn't checking for saving duplicate keys. Link above ^^
@RebolBot save chat "You need to check this!" hostilefork.com
 
@HostileFork chat is already a key
 
Well it's checking, hm.
@RebolBot R3-GUI
 
4:13 PM
@HostileFork That's very interesting.
 
Well, something going on there.
 
 
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5:14 PM
@rebolek @earl @rgchris @GrahamChiu @johnk @Respectech @Henrik @ingo @AnthonyMichaelCook @DarrellBrogdon @7hi4g0 @JacobGood1 - here?
Carl has asked about where to go to chat, just checking to see if I tell him StackOverflow if anyone besides me will be here ATM.
 
Here.
 
@GrahamChiu RebolBot needs a ping-everyone (for room owner use only)
@rgchris Well... I'm glued to the computer pretty much today, so I should be around.
 
here
 
here
 
Cool. Well you guys came for Red, but you know who Carl Sassenrath is I assume?
 
5:25 PM
@HostileFork Let me know—trying to concentrate on finishing up some things, but count me in for a three-line whip.
 
yep
@HostileFork chat for what, just for the heck of it?
 
Anyway, he's got a day job and all that now...and is putting together Roku boxes and such on the store shelves. Well, not he himself physically putting them on the shelves or putting them in the boxes, we'll assume. :-) So we don't get a whole lot of his time.
 
@HostileFork is Carl excited about Red?
 
@JacobGood1 Main issue is trying to establish a reasonable "governance model" for the Rebol repository, that can operate and advance in a controlled and not haywire fashion, despite him not having the time to personally do integrations and vetting. We have a hybrid model proposed... a "stable" vs. "experimental" branch where experimental can be advanced by trusted delegates.
 
@HostileFork here
 
5:32 PM
@JacobGood1 There are mixed feelings I am sure on both sides of the Rebol/Red fence. I am of the opinion that they are complements and not competitors, and have tried to explain why I think that. But for the longer term I think the language must be compiled.
Carl and others have thought about what a compiled Rebol might look like.
At the Recode conference in Montreal, Carl expressed some skepticism about some of the Red/System choices. I don't remember the particulars of that skepticism.
 
@rebolbot find "so chat"
@RebolBot What?
@RebolBot What?
@RebolBot What are you trying to say?
 
@RebolBot shut up
Did my shut up get received?
Just checking because I was really asking for a failsafe so that never happened :-/
@giuliolunati Mentioned your SL4A thing to Carl, cool stuff!
 
Oh the pain
 
@HostileFork Have you finished? I'm felling lost here.
 
@7hi4g0 Finished answering the question about Carl's excitement regarding Red? Yes. I can't really answer the question of what other people think, I can only tell you what they've said.
 
5:41 PM
I think therefor I am Pascal
 
Obviously DocKimbel is inspired by Rebol's design and philosophy, but has chosen to go his own path because he wants to execute on his vision of it and make sure nothing is "blocking" his ability to work.
I'm not exactly a "diplomatic" personality type, but I think there is a lot of unfinished good thought in the Rebol3 CureCode and in the project, and I also think that building a Rebol-like language on a standard toolchain will be valuable for many years to come.
So I want both to be healthy, and hopefully largely compatible where compatibility makes sense.
And I want COMBINE. And I want character sets in the box for known unicode character categories that I can use in PARSE (or in regular code) without having to define them myself. And I want PRIN to be changed to PRINT/ONLY. And I want Q to not be in the stock language causing termination. And I want a pony.
 
@HostileFork Don't know when to q, do you?
 
And I want the software they used to make the LEGO movie to be open sourced.
 
6:01 PM
@HostileFork If you want COMBINE, then define its behaviour.
 
@rebolek What I should do that I haven't done is to go ahead and apply it in Draem which is where I was getting extremely annoyed with REJOIN, and see what is revealed by that application
The problem being that most of my framing of what it does is based on a string target.
 
for string target, there's AJOIN.
 
So I can define what I think makes sense for stringifying the whole thing, but I'm not sure what logic would apply to blocks as I haven't been thinking about that.
>> ajoin ["abc" if 1 > 2 ["def"] ["ghi" "jkl"] "mno" "pqr"]
Hm, maybe RebolBot did shut up
red> ajoin ["abc" if 1 > 2 ["def"] ["ghi" "jkl"] "mno" "pqr"]
 
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*** Error: word has no value!
== ["abc" if 1 > 2 ["def"] ["ghi" "jkl"] "mno" "pqr"]
 
>> ajoin ["abc" if 1 > 2 ["def"] ["ghi" "jkl"] "mno" "pqr"]
== "abcnoneghi jklmnopqr"
I want "abcghijklmnopqr"
That much I know
Now, if that were done with /WITH ","... would I want "abc,ghijkl,mno,pqr" or "abc,ghi,jkl,mno,pqr"?
 
6:07 PM
@HostileFork As I said, define the behaviour.
 
@rebolek I'm all for defining things, but sometimes one lays out what one thinks and other people make suggestions. @rgchris was the one who added /WITH for instance. It sounds good, but I think the point of having a group project is that the wisdom of the group is leveraged. I defined some of it and then people review and improve based on their experience...it seems that's how things used to work...
I don't need /WITH in my application. If COMBINE 1.0 doesn't have it, I'll be all right.
But it sounds very useful
 
>> do http://rebol.qyz.cz/flatten.reb
ajoin trim reduce flatten ["abc" if 1 > 2 ["def"] ["ghi" "jkl"] "mno" "pqr"]
Hm, he's quiet.
== "abcefghijklmnopqr"
ok, flatten in wrong place
>> ajoin trim flatten reduce hf
== "abcghijklmnopqr"
here you go, COMBINE v 1.0
 
Seems like a good start, and FLATTEN is another kind of thing that should probably be "in the box"
 
I agree, FLATTEN is useful.
 
Again, given a definition
 
6:13 PM
@HostileFork Oh, I'm glad, thank you. Next goal: a 'regular' Rebol3ForAndroid interpreter apk
 
Why is it called "AJOIN" and not "SJOIN"?
 
Funny, I just had the same thought.
I don't know. I don't remember when it was added and the rationale behind the name.
 
Presumably A for ASCII
join-string being more literate, and once again... not a typing disaster considering the frequency of usage.
 
So it doesn't support UTF-8? ;)
 
Well I'm just guessing
 
6:38 PM
@RebolBot Wrong you are Descartes!
@rgchris :-)
 
 
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8:16 PM
@rebolbot wake up
@HostileFork what's the wake up command?
 
@GrahamChiu "shut up" shuts down the bot. Has to be restarted, IIRC.
@HostileFork I'd be here now :)
 
@iArnold Can you elaborate on that?
@GrahamChiu What do you mean?
 
@RebolBot Good evening to you, M'am.
 
@earl What do you mean?
@earl Please continue.
 
the chat program is pretty primitive so please feel free to hack on it
 
8:20 PM
yo @RebolBot
 
but I haven't seen it crash now that the event but has been fixed
Since some people are using Gif89 icons .. theirs will be black boxes!
Or, does anyone feel inclined to implement a GIF decoder?
 
8:36 PM
@rebolbot remove chat
 
Seeing that the accepted GSoC projects are now announced, did we get feedback on the Red application from Google? (@HostileFork @johnk)
 
@GrahamChiu removed chat
 
@rebolbot find "chat"
 
@rebolbot save sochat "R3GUI SO chat script" github.com/gchiu/RSOChat/blob/master/rsochat.r3
 
8:37 PM
@GrahamChiu added key: sochat
 
9:11 PM
@HostileFork did you say Carl was coming today?
 
but today ends in 40 minutes...
 
9:52 PM
posted on April 23, 2014 by TGD-Consulting

query actor fixed to support info? , size? , modified? and exists? tested on linux-arm (RPi)

 
Just to let everyone know that the Github linguist patch was applied :)
However its effect may take a while to filter through because didn't notice anything different :(
That is until today... .reb files are now getting syntax highlighted :)
So give it a few more days and hopefully it will start recognising repos & .r files has Rebol... touch wood!
 
>> 1 + 2
 
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== 3
 
@hostilefork at least the shut up command worked. I haven't time to look into the above issue at the moment
 
TGD
@rebolek I have done my first PR. The query actor is fixed now and info? , modified? , size? and exists? are working fine.
5
 
10:03 PM
@grahamchiu the wake up command is still pending as are the additional safety checks
@tgd nice work :) pity I can't start your comment from my phone
Star!
 
@TGD Great! I'm going to test it in the morning.
 
TGD
Does anybody know how long it will take until Carl merges PR to the master branch?
 
@TGD Theoretically he should show up here today to delegate someone to do the merging.
 
TGD
@johnk Thanks for the up vote.
 
Usually it takes three months.
 
10:14 PM
If I were to do http://rebol.com/path/foo.r, I should be able to access http://rebol.com/path/ from foo.r, right?
 
@earl the feedback session was only via irc and unfortunately neither hostilefork or I were able to make it. There was no other feedback
 
Was hoping it was system/script/path but unfortunately not.
Surely any issues with security would be moot due to the original do http://... call.
i.e. if you trust the source, you trust it to know where it was called from.
 
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SYSTEM/SCRIPT is an object of value:
   title           string!   "Test System/Script"
   header          object!   [title name type version date file author nee...
   parent          object!   [title header parent path args]
   path            file!     %/users/try-REBOL/program/
   args            none!     none
 
@rebolbot find "so chat"
 
@GrahamChiu Technically Carl just asked if StackOverflow was still the go-to location for chat. But it was his response to my memo, which could be taken to suggest he wanted to address it "in person" vs composing an email response.
 
10:26 PM
 
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SYSTEM/SCRIPT is an object of value:
   title           string!   "Test System/Script"
   header          object!   [Title Date Name Version File Home Author Owner Ri...
   parent          object!   [title header parent path args words]
   path            file!     %/users/try-REBOL/program/
   args            none!     none
   words           none!     none
 
What's the use of the PATH value there?
 
@hostilefork ah I see what happened. Talking to rebolbot while logged on as the rebolbot user is currently not recommended. I take your point about the saftey checks and I should get on to those as well.
 
10:30 PM
@rgchris Looks useless. Can Rebol be audited to not use the word PATH in reference to files? :-/ Even split-path probably should be called split-filename or something.
 
@HostileFork PARE might be more succinct, but not sure it implies that you get back two values.
 
I wonder if in retrospect the % format vs file:// really pays off. Sigh.
I guess if one has filename components it lets you be more type safe.
@rgchris Don't think that's one that needs length optimization. Pare is an intetesting word though, might be good for something else... Though I wouldn't make this connection myself
 
PARE could also be HEAD REMOVE BACK TAIL, I suppose.
>> pare: func [series [series!]][remove back tail series series]
pare next [one two three four]
 
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== [two three]
 
Hm, anyway—I digress.
 
10:48 PM
"To cut off the outer coating". Hmm
 
posted on April 23, 2014 by rgchris

[Comment] Don't know if the overhead is excessive, however the ability to call scripts from a script relative to that script's remote location could prove useful.

 
@johnk Ah, ok. Thanks for clarifying.
 
11:27 PM
@johnk It was a bit quiet here .. so let the bots talk to themselves for a while
 

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